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Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection)

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On 16.08.2014 14:37, Chris Uppal wrote:
> Robert Klemme wrote:
>
>> If I understand your issue correctly: this is not about security but
>> about design principles.  Dependency always goes up the inheritance
>> chain - not downwards.  Meaning, all subclasses have knowledge about
>> their superclasses but not vice versa.
>
> Agreed, though I think "always" is a little strong.  It is possible to have
> clusters of co-designed classes where the superclass "knows about" it's
> subclasses.  For instance the superclass could act as a factory for instances
> of its sublclasses, where the subclasses (what they are and how many of them
> there are, etc) is hidden from the consumer code.

Still then the superclass needs to know zero about subclass internals. 
Of course, as long as the subclasses are visible to the superclass it 
can use them like any other class (e.g. a separate factory class) could. 
  But that's a rather weak dependency and has nothing to do with 
specifics of the interface or implementation of subclasses.

> (In such cases I'd often like to be able to declare the superclass as "final
> except that it can have subclasses in the same package")

I don't see the point.  Actually it's contradicting: a final class does 
not have subclasses - nowhere.  Eric provided a good means how to 
prevent subclassing in other places of the code where you do not want to 
allow it.

Cheers

	robert

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Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Andreas Leitgeb <avl@auth.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2014-08-15 00:58 +0000
  Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2014-08-15 15:20 -0700
    Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2014-08-16 00:11 +0100
      Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Andreas Leitgeb <avl@auth.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2014-08-16 00:10 +0000
  Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-15 23:26 -0400
    Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Andreas Leitgeb <avl@auth.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2014-08-16 08:46 +0000
      Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-08-16 12:27 +0200
        Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-08-16 13:37 +0100
          Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-08-16 09:47 -0400
          Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-08-17 13:19 +0200
        Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Andreas Leitgeb <avl@auth.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2014-08-16 22:37 +0000
          Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-08-16 20:22 -0400
            Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Josip Almasi <joe@vrspace.org> - 2014-08-17 12:51 +0200
              Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-08-17 07:54 -0400
                Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-08-17 13:44 +0100
                Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Andreas Leitgeb <avl@auth.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2014-08-17 17:42 +0000
                Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-18 20:45 -0400
                Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Andreas Leitgeb <avl@auth.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2014-08-20 18:47 +0000
                Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Josip Almasi <joe@vrspace.org> - 2014-08-18 17:19 +0200
            Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Andreas Leitgeb <avl@auth.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2014-08-17 18:04 +0000
              Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-08-17 15:24 -0400
                Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Andreas Leitgeb <avl@auth.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2014-08-17 21:35 +0000
      Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Josip Almasi <joe@vrspace.org> - 2014-08-16 12:31 +0200
      Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-08-16 10:51 -0400
      Re: Accessibility of suBclass-fields from suPERclass (reflection) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-16 11:00 -0400

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