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| From | Chris Riesbeck <Chris.Riesbeck@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.programmer |
| Subject | Re: Sidetrack on generics (WAS: Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java?) |
| Date | 2014-07-23 12:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <c3a7vtF76n7U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 7/22/2014 1:48 PM, Daniele Futtorovic wrote: > On 2014-07-22 19:39, markspace allegedly wrote: >> On 7/22/2014 5:37 AM, Jan Burse wrote: >>> markspace schrieb: >>>> >>>> I think people see something weird in Java that they don't understand, >>>> and they immediately think "it's generics again." Generics had some >>>> really unfortunate consequences, especially in the long run, that I >>>> don't think the expert group foresaw or completely understood. (In >>>> their defense, I'm sure they did as good as a job as possible at the >>>> time.) >>> >>> Small question: What unfortunate consequence in respect to >>> generics are people usually refering to? I hear something >>> similar yesterday. >> >> >> Oh god, where's my list? >> >> The main issue, for me, is that generics are non-reifiable. The entire >> generics system is a fiction maintained by the compiler only, and not >> accessible to the runtime JVM.... > > This is all very true. But it being said, I don't think it's a bad thing > it went down like this. I appreciate the restraint with which they > introduced them in the Java language; a restraint which arguably is the > cause of many of the problems you cite. I appreciate the conservatism > and caring caution with which they treat the towering edifice that is > the Java world in general.... My feelings as well. Java with generics has problems but it's better than Java without generics, and better than an incompatible Java with better generics.
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are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? gdotone@gmail.com - 2014-06-27 16:50 -0700
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-06-27 20:14 -0400
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-06-27 20:23 -0400
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Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2014-07-01 14:34 -0700
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-01 22:01 -0400
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-02 20:52 +0200
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Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-03 03:13 +0200
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Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-01 22:27 -0400
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-01 22:32 -0400
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2014-07-01 19:58 -0700
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Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-07-03 09:45 -0700
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2014-07-01 23:48 -0500
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-02 22:55 +0200
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-07-03 09:49 -0700
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2014-07-03 10:25 -0700
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Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-06-30 09:08 -0700
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-01 21:56 -0400
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-06-28 12:11 +0200
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-06-30 08:50 -0700
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2014-06-30 09:09 -0700
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-01 19:27 +0200
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-01 20:46 +0200
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Sebastian <news@seyweiler.dyndns.org> - 2014-07-01 21:52 +0200
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2014-07-01 14:11 -0700
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2014-07-22 14:37 +0200
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2014-07-22 10:39 -0700
Sidetrack on generics (WAS: Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java?) Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2014-07-22 20:48 +0200
Re: Sidetrack on generics (WAS: Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java?) Chris Riesbeck <Chris.Riesbeck@gmail.com> - 2014-07-23 12:01 -0500
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-01 21:50 -0400
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-22 04:40 -0700
Re: are lambdas a way to bring functional programming to java? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-28 09:45 -0700
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