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Re: error discription and solution

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On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:08:16 +0000, lipska the kat wrote:

> I did search something calling itself a Maven repository to no avail, 
> actually it turns out that the relevant jars need compiling on the 
> system on which they are going to be used as there seems to be all sorts 
> of platform specific C code and jni stuff that needs compiling with the 
> gcc toolchain ... apparently.

As Leif already said, this is obviously not a good solution, but even in
this case, where Maven indeed wouldn't have been able to FIX the problem
for you, you still would have benefited from a pom.xml, because it has a
proper and well specified way of describing dependencies - you would, at a
single glance have known: the name of the jar, the name of the package
(which should be easily googleable), and the fact that it was something you
had to install yourself manually.

> Maven wouldn't have helped in this case would it? I couldn't know the 
> names of the binding jars as I couldn't compile them because the jars 
> required to compile the bindings were missing until I compiled them, it 
> was the jars required to compile the bindings that I was missing, not 
> the binding jars themselves.

Like I said, Maven would at the very least have given you all the
neccessary information needed to find the missing jars to compile.

> What would Maven have made of this I wonder ... how much would I have 
> learned by 'leaving it all to Maven'. At least I now know what the 
> problem was and how to fix it.

There is a distinct difference between learning and doing. It is of course
entirely reasonable to want to learn how to compile things in Java, and
naturally, no sane person would recommend to learn that by using Maven.

> If you don't understand this then I suggest that sooner or later you are 
> going to come up against a problem that the tools can't fix and then 
> you'll be stuck, won't you?

No, of course not. I wasn't born with Maven knowledge implanted into my
brain, then unable to learn anything else. In fact, as you can tell from my
earlier explanation, I was easily able to tell you how to solve a problem
you had without using Maven, thanks to my understanding of the Java build
process.

> I'd rather use the bare minimum of tools to get the job done.
> How much time have I saved, or rather not wasted by not spending it 
> learning the latest greatest tool only for it to be superseded a few 
> weeks/months/years later by the next latest greatest tool. I can write 
> compile and run Java with a simple text editor, a terminal window and a 
> shell script if I have to. I certainly don't need Maven to hold my hand.

That is an unfair and disgenuine argument. Nobody is suggesting people
don't LEARN how things work. You asked how to get something to work, not
how to learn about how the Java build process works. Going by your answer,
I would suggest you abandon Java completely, and instead focus on learning
Assembler, which of course you should only ever write using Notepad.

After all, you would only want to use the bare minimum of tools, and not
have fancy things like garbage collection and abstraction, right ? How much
time you would save, by not learning the latest greatest language, only for
it to be superseded a few years later ?

Understanding how things work at their core is a useful skill that should
certainly be part of any decent education, whether in class or as an
autodidact. On the other hand, suggesting to stick to the lower and most
primitive solution while actually working is ridiculous and held only by
the most ancient and inflexible dinosaurs.

Hopefully, you didn't really mean to suggest that it's actually better to
use Notepad instead of Eclipse, a command line to compile and a hand
written batch file to package instead of Ant/Maven and whatever other way
to do things manually you can think of while doing actual work. As much as
these things should be part of learning, they shouldn't be part of
producing.

Liebe Gruesse,
		Joerg

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  Re: error discription and solution Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2014-02-20 14:05 -0800
  Re: error discription and solution Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-02-21 08:56 -0800
    Re: error discription and solution lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-02-21 17:53 +0000
      Re: error discription and solution Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-02-26 10:22 -0800
        Re: error discription and solution lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-02-26 19:30 +0000
          Re: error discription and solution Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-02-26 21:26 +0100
            Re: error discription and solution lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-02-26 21:19 +0000
              Re: error discription and solution Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-02-26 23:04 +0100
              Re: error discription and solution leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2014-02-26 16:53 -0600
                Re: error discription and solution lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-02-27 08:34 +0000
            Re: error discription and solution lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-03-03 09:27 +0000
              Re: error discription and solution Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-03-03 11:56 +0100
                Re: error discription and solution lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-03-03 12:08 +0000
                Re: error discription and solution leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2014-03-03 06:26 -0600
                Re: error discription and solution lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-03-03 12:44 +0000
                Re: error discription and solution leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2014-03-03 06:58 -0600
                Re: error discription and solution Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-03-03 17:11 +0100
                Re: error discription and solution leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2014-03-03 10:17 -0600
                Re: error discription and solution Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-03-03 17:39 +0100
                Re: error discription and solution Simon Lewis <simonlewis2001@gmail.com> - 2014-03-03 20:47 +0100
                Re: error discription and solution Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-03-03 17:04 -0500
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                Re: error discription and solution lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-03-03 17:21 +0000
                Re: error discription and solution lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-03-03 17:18 +0000
                Re: error discription and solution leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2014-03-03 11:26 -0600
                Re: error discription and solution lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-03-03 18:31 +0000
                Re: error discription and solution Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-03-03 21:00 +0100
                Re: error discription and solution lipska the kat <lipskathekat@example.com> - 2014-03-03 20:19 +0000
                Re: error discription and solution Simon Lewis <simonlewis2001@gmail.com> - 2014-03-03 20:46 +0100
        Re: error discription and solution Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2014-02-26 23:39 +0200
          Re: error discription and solution Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-02-28 09:08 -0800
            Re: error discription and solution Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-02-28 20:05 +0100
              Re: error discription and solution Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-02-28 15:29 -0800
  Re: error discription and solution Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-02-21 19:48 -0500

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