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| Started by | Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-08-07 04:28 -0700 |
| Last post | 2015-08-11 13:11 +0000 |
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OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 04:28 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows djc <ciesinger@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 08:35 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-07 10:51 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-07 21:35 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-07 23:38 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-08 00:34 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-07 15:50 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:09 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:23 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-08 01:34 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-07 22:46 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-08 01:52 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-07 22:43 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-08 11:32 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-08 14:37 +0000
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-08 23:04 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-08-09 09:52 +0100
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 02:04 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-09 14:33 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-08 08:32 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-08 22:28 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-09 04:09 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-09 04:52 -0400
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-09 14:53 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-10 01:15 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-09 20:46 -0400
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-09 17:56 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-11 00:41 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-10 21:44 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-10 21:53 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-08-09 15:50 -1000
Re: OT: Farewell Windows hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-09 19:26 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-10 07:41 +0000
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-10 06:30 -0400
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-10 06:30 -0400
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 05:02 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-10 21:45 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-11 02:20 -0400
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-08-11 08:30 +0100
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-08-16 12:59 +1000
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-17 00:01 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-17 18:45 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-07 23:23 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-08 08:35 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-08 00:10 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-08 09:52 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 01:13 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-09 04:45 -0400
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-09 14:26 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-10 01:12 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-09 04:41 -0400
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-09 14:20 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-10 00:40 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-09 19:49 -0400
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-10 02:09 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-09 20:51 -0400
Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-08 02:59 -0400
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:38 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-08 01:51 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 07:46 +0300
Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-07 22:49 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 23:28 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 02:24 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 03:10 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-11 13:57 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 05:12 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-11 15:17 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 08:04 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-11 22:04 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 05:42 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-08-12 08:33 -0500
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:21 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:47 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:06 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:07 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 08:07 -0700
Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-11 21:58 +0200
Re: OT: Farewell Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-11 13:11 +0000
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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 00:01 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mqr149$b20$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #41326 |
HAA wrote: > Rod Pemberton wrote: >> ... >> The big picture is >> you have only one working career to become wealthy. > > The big picture is that you only have one life. Yes. And Rod is wrong. Typically it takes 3 or 4 lifes (mostly burned by working all the time) to become wealthy. And then, you can start to get a life. Oops. I mean you great-great-grandson can start to get a life. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ* http://bernd-paysan.de/
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| From | visualforth@rocketmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 18:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1590b919-8de6-41d4-9680-8c759e9d750a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #41347 |
On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 6:01:20 PM UTC-4, Bernd Paysan wrote: > HAA wrote: > > > Rod Pemberton wrote: > >> ... > >> The big picture is > >> you have only one working career to become wealthy. > > > > The big picture is that you only have one life. > > Yes. And Rod is wrong. Typically it takes 3 or 4 lifes (mostly burned by > working all the time) to become wealthy. And then, you can start to get a > life. > > Oops. I mean you great-great-grandson can start to get a life. > > -- > Bernd Paysan > "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" > net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ* > http://bernd-paysan.de/ If you don't start your life soon - better now - you'll never make it! DB. We are all tolerant - as long as you behave as expected!
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| From | visualforth@rocketmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 23:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <051ef26c-7dfe-4150-8ddf-f95f3c2d66fe@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #41184 |
On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 7:52:01 PM UTC-4, Bernd Paysan wrote: > > > I have checked all available flavors, I didn't find out. > > No, you certainly didn't check all 200 available flavors. > Sorry, I should have written: "I have checked all for me available flavors, I didn't find out." I checked: Fedora - there was a version which worked fine. But this version is outdated, and with the new version I have the same problem. Ubuntu - works somehow. Linux Mint 16 Cinnamon - doesn't work on my PC. PCLinuxOS Mate - doesn't work properly on my PC. PCLinuxOS KDE - overwhelming. PCLinuxOS FullMonty - I didn't find out how to login. Lubuntu - needs PAE, whatever that is. Zorin OS 8.1 Educational - really slow with G-Chrome. Zorin OS 8.1 - slow. Kubuntu - didn'nt run. Lubuntu - needs PAE. PCLinuxOS LXDE - didn't get it running. Simplicity Linux 14.1 Media - I thought it may be simple. It wasn't. Simplicity Linux 14.1 Desktop - Doesn't work on my PC. SL-65 - didn't get it running. edubuntu - works somehow. Suse Linux - not that bad, but slow on my PC. Knoppix - too special. Okay, that's nearly 10% of the Linux flavors you know. But I am not a Linux expert, and I cannot imagine that searching ten times as much will give a better result. If there would be a version like the old Fedora, that would be great - may be. Before I discovered "Malwarebytes" I had problems with viruses every now and then, despite antivirus software running. The worst one was Bankerfox Nuquel-E. I surfed the Internet for solutions to get rid of this virus, using Puppy Linux, finding all these complaints about Bankerfox Nuquel-E, reading that even Kaperski could not help. And then I found a link to the free "Malwarebytes". A Download, starting in "Safe Mode", and Malwarebytes removed that nasty virus. A friend of mine got a ransom virus. Somebody talked him into opening a special webpage "to fix his computer". Then they asked for thousand dollars to get it running again. I couldn't help him, but his computer shop people got it done. I guess they reinstalled Windows.
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 08:35 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <20150808083514.67b5848a@maxa-pc> |
| In reply to | #41194 |
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 23:23:13 -0700 (PDT) visualforth@rocketmail.com wrote: > Lubuntu - needs PAE, whatever that is. What CPU do you have ? Pentium M? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
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| From | visualforth@rocketmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 00:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bd64b8e3-c2ff-4b52-a471-d021c68998ad@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #41195 |
On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 2:35:15 AM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 23:23:13 -0700 (PDT) > visualforth.com wrote: > > > Lubuntu - needs PAE, whatever that is. > What CPU do you have ? Pentium M? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension I really often read that Linux runs on old computers. So I used an old desktop computer which I normally don't use. Seems to be these times are over. Looks like now you need a new computer for Linux, too. Is Linux walking in the footsteps of Microsoft now?
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 09:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <20150808095217.43939adc@maxa-pc> |
| In reply to | #41198 |
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 00:10:30 -0700 (PDT) visualforth@rocketmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 2:35:15 AM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 23:23:13 -0700 (PDT) > > visualforth.com wrote: > > > > > Lubuntu - needs PAE, whatever that is. > > What CPU do you have ? Pentium M? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension > > I really often read that Linux runs on old computers. > So I used an old desktop computer which I normally don't use. > Seems to be these times are over. No they are not. You just have less options. You cannot expect KDE or latest Gnome based desktop to run on it with decent performance... as for non pae kernel based distro they are still there as well. Also you probably wouldn't get user friendly distro... But nothing is perfect. > Looks like now you need a new computer for Linux, too. If you want latest whistles and blows, yes, that is. > Is Linux walking in the footsteps of Microsoft now? Not even close...
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| From | Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 01:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c54c2071-7f16-48c7-acb2-75f8d097f26b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #41198 |
Yes. I agree. It used to be that Linux Would run on an old 486 but I think those days are gone. I think it's the Kernal rather than the distro's themselves. I remember PAE issues when I tried Mint on my laptop which is a Toshiba Tecra dual core 1.6ghz Centrino Duo. There may be a setting in your BIOS screen which can enable/disable PAE. My machine is about 10 years old now but in perfect working condition. Looks like new. The main reason I keep it is because it has a genuine RS232 port built in!
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 04:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.x23elzaoyfako5@localhost> |
| In reply to | #41198 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 03:10:30 -0400, <visualforth@rocketmail.com> wrote: > On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 2:35:15 AM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote: >> On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 23:23:13 -0700 (PDT) >> visualforth.com wrote: >> > Lubuntu - needs PAE, whatever that is. >> What CPU do you have ? Pentium M? >> [link] > > I really often read that Linux runs on old computers. Yeah, no ... Old Linux will run on old computers. New Linux won't. Supposedly, there weren't enough Linux developers interested in keeping Linux running on old machines. So, THEY REMOVED SUPPORT FOR THEM! Unbelievable ... They claimed bit-rot, BTW. Rod Pemberton -- Scientists now say we'll experience a mini-ice in 2030. So, I guess we need more global warming today ...
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| From | visualforth@rocketmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 14:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <dc4454ed-f238-45b9-af8f-b19146d29ee0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #41220 |
On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 4:45:17 AM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote: > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 03:10:30 -0400, <visualforth.com> wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 2:35:15 AM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote: > >> On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 23:23:13 -0700 (PDT) > >> visualforth.com wrote: > > >> > Lubuntu - needs PAE, whatever that is. > >> What CPU do you have ? Pentium M? > >> [link] > > > > I really often read that Linux runs on old computers. > > Yeah, no ... > > Old Linux will run on old computers. New Linux won't. > > Supposedly, there weren't enough Linux developers interested > in keeping Linux running on old machines. So, THEY REMOVED > SUPPORT FOR THEM! Unbelievable ... They claimed bit-rot, BTW. > > > Rod Pemberton > > -- > Scientists now say we'll experience a mini-ice in 2030. > So, I guess we need more global warming today ... I appreciate your research! That's what I meant when guessing that Linux is now walking in Microsoft footsteps. I started with microprocessor applications, and for me it was important that once I got something running, it always runs. That's why I am fond of Forth. Once a Forth application runs, it always runs. And, of course, once a Forth OS runs, it always runs. As long as this is not the case with any other OS, it's worthless for me. DB.
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-10 01:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <20150810011221.43f04f89@maxa-pc> |
| In reply to | #41231 |
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 14:26:29 -0700 (PDT) visualforth@rocketmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 4:45:17 AM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote: > > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 03:10:30 -0400, <visualforth.com> wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 2:35:15 AM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote: > > >> On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 23:23:13 -0700 (PDT) > > >> visualforth.com wrote: > > > > >> > Lubuntu - needs PAE, whatever that is. > > >> What CPU do you have ? Pentium M? > > >> [link] > > > > > > I really often read that Linux runs on old computers. > > > > Yeah, no ... > > > > Old Linux will run on old computers. New Linux won't. > > > > Supposedly, there weren't enough Linux developers interested > > in keeping Linux running on old machines. So, THEY REMOVED > > SUPPORT FOR THEM! Unbelievable ... They claimed bit-rot, BTW. > > > > > > Rod Pemberton > > > > -- > > Scientists now say we'll experience a mini-ice in 2030. > > So, I guess we need more global warming today ... > > I appreciate your research! > That's what I meant when guessing that Linux is now walking in > Microsoft footsteps. Tell that to Arch Linux developers ;) I am using Manjaro as it has at least default minimal setup, but Arch is for hard core geek. And yes, https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/34324 "closing: We will not add PAE to i686. "
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 04:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.x23eey00yfako5@localhost> |
| In reply to | #41194 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 02:23:13 -0400, <visualforth@rocketmail.com> wrote: > I checked: > > [numerous distro's] I had the same problem as you from 1996 to 2012. The first Linux I tried was Redhat 1996, then Slackware 1997. I tried well over a dozen different distro's. I've got a stack of burned cd-rom coasters. I never got one to work with all my hardware, until recently. The few times I started using Linux, the filesystem would become corrupted. This was not a hardware problem. This was with ext2 with fsck. Fortunately, for the Linux I installed a few years ago, I've not had any problems with ext4, so far ... However, I had to update every major software package, Java, Flash, Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, Opera, then recompile VLC from scratch and PDFviewer after applying patches I found on some obscure website on the internet ... It fixed the video color tables. I had to update numerous libraries and install numerous utilities and tweak many boot, startup, and login scripts, etc. That's not even including the initial install of Linux requiring fdisk and grub, which I speculate would be enough to prevent just about anyone in my family, young or old, except me, from attempting to install Linux. As for Windows, Windows 98/SE was fairly reliable, but needed a complete re-install once and a while, or refresh of MSVC redistributable files. As for Window 7 and 8, they come pre-installed and they update and fix themselves, if you have a reliable internet connection. My family hasn't had many problems with them. However, there was one bad update for one machine which was a nightmare to unroll and re-update, and there were four updates on another machine which had to be disabled since they always failed. So, despite what Bernd says, Linux is not for novices, unless, maybe, you're using the most active distro, since it'll have more support and more people fixing and updating it. > Before I discovered "Malwarebytes" I had problems with viruses > every now and then, despite antivirus software running. The worst > one was Bankerfox Nuquel-E. On Windows, you can try AVG Free for viruses and SpyBot Search and Destroy for malware. That combination usually works well. If you need more thorough removal, you can try McAfee Stinger for the most recent virus threats or Trend Micro Sysclean to detect just about any virus in existence. All of these are free. Rod Pemberton P.S. I've replied with both of these answers a few times now. -- Scientists now say we'll experience a mini-ice in 2030. So, I guess we need more global warming today ...
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| From | visualforth@rocketmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 14:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2bd3dd19-78e4-45cb-a896-4647cd0b938d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #41219 |
On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 4:41:02 AM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote: > > So, despite what Bernd says, Linux is not for novices, unless, maybe, > you're using the most active distro, since it'll have more support > and more people fixing and updating it. > Thanks, Rod! Now I am not feeling that stupid any more. But I would discard the 'unless' part of your answer. Thanks again! DB.
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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2015-08-10 00:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mq8kp3$dve$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #41230 |
visualforth@rocketmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 4:41:02 AM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote: >> >> So, despite what Bernd says, Linux is not for novices, unless, maybe, >> you're using the most active distro, since it'll have more support >> and more people fixing and updating it. >> > Thanks, Rod! > Now I am not feeling that stupid any more. > But I would discard the 'unless' part of your answer. Two years ago, my sister had a new au pair girl from Kyrgystan, and their computer was permanently infected with some malware (displaying lots of ads) which apparently came from the Russian and Kyrgyz sites the girl surfed. Of course, my sister's PC was protected with some anti-malware snake oil, and a locked down Firefox, which should have prevented all these attacks, but didn't. Since my sister uses AutoCAD for her job, Linux wasn't an option for her (and she doesn't even want to try), but it was an option for the au pair girl, who was clueless about computers. We bought an Eee PC from Asus with pre-installed Ubuntu (for about 250€, AMD E-350 class), and the only question the girl ever had was why the operating system looked different from the ad pics for that computer. The ad had the Windows 8 tiles on the screen, and was for the more expensive touch-screen version (nearly twice the price). Everything else she figured out herself, apparently quickly without any problem. Language set to Kyrgyz by herself... effectively locked everybody else out ;-). The malware problem stopped immediately, neither computer was infected again afterwards. The only time I needed access to her computer was when I installed the Wifi repeater and needed to check that it indeed improved the reception in her room, and that the bandwidth for watching Kyrgyz videos was then good enough. Now you can feel stupid again, Rod for once is right (he rarely is): The popular distributions *do* work for clueless newbies. Clueless newbies don't have to unlearn habits. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ* http://bernd-paysan.de/
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 19:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.x24kf7vuyfako5@localhost> |
| In reply to | #41236 |
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 18:40:04 -0400, Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> wrote: > We bought an Eee PC from Asus with pre-installed Ubuntu ... > Now you can feel stupid again, Rod for once is right (he rarely is): The > popular distributions *do* work for clueless newbies. Clueless newbies > don't have to unlearn habits. > Whenever I report things, I always find other people who experienced the same. This isn't the first newsgroup where I've mentioned similar issues, usually in reply to someone else who posted their almost identical issues first. So, comparing a pre-installed, optimized Linux, which was customized to the specialty hardware of a netbook, to an install it yourself Linux distro on a normal x86 PC is the same type of comparison? ... That would seem to be comparing apples to oranges to me. This version of Linux worked when I installed it. However, it had both TCP and UDP ports open on the internet, services exposed to the internet, printer sharing through the internet enabled, and automatically attempted to mount network drives on the internet, etc. The Opera browser was even setup for an existing email account, an Opera sync account, and had pre-installed UUIDs. I can only assume one of the developers for the distro accidently activated it by mistake or copied it from an unstrusted source. Just yesterday, I found it was attempting to mount a share on the internet. The installed script was only supposed to check the internal network for mountable shares which were part of a certain default groupname, but it would fall back to checking DNS for name lookups when no local shares were found. One DNS server returned a valid IP instead of NXDOMAIN which happened to have a network share. P.S. I'd be worried about the girl if she's so paranoid to lock you out. I'd also be concerned that she was going to websites that have computer virii. That's a indicator that something is amiss. I.e., good websites don't have malware and virii unless they've been hacked. Rod Pemberton -- Scientists now say we'll experience a mini-ice in 2030. So, I guess we need more global warming today ...
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-10 02:09 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <20150810020909.6f669c66@maxa-pc> |
| In reply to | #41239 |
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 19:49:09 -0400 "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> wrote: > On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 18:40:04 -0400, Bernd Paysan > <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> wrote: > > > We bought an Eee PC from Asus with pre-installed Ubuntu > > ... > > > Now you can feel stupid again, Rod for once is right (he rarely > > is): The popular distributions *do* work for clueless newbies. > > Clueless newbies don't have to unlearn habits. > > > > Whenever I report things, I always find other people who experienced > the same. This isn't the first newsgroup where I've mentioned similar > issues, usually in reply to someone else who posted their almost > identical issues first. > > So, comparing a pre-installed, optimized Linux, which was customized > to the specialty hardware of a netbook, to an install it yourself > Linux distro on a normal x86 PC is the same type of comparison? ... > That would seem to be comparing apples to oranges to me. > > This version of Linux worked when I installed it. However, it had > both TCP and UDP ports open on the internet, services exposed to the > internet, printer sharing through the internet enabled Ahahahahhahah what distro are you talking about? Desktop distro has enabled services opened to internet? Weird.
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 20:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.x24ncts7yfako5@localhost> |
| In reply to | #41240 |
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 20:09:09 -0400, Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote: > On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 19:49:09 -0400 > "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> wrote: >> This version of Linux worked when I installed it. However, it had >> both TCP and UDP ports open on the internet, services exposed to the >> internet, printer sharing through the internet enabled > > Ahahahahhahah Yes, it even had ports open for telnet logins. > what distro are you talking about? Desktop distro > has enabled services opened to internet? Weird. I already mentioned that somewhere ... It's 64-bit Velocity 7.0 (VectorLinux) based on Slackware. Rod Pemberton -- Scientists now say we'll experience a mini-ice in 2030. So, I guess we need more global warming today ...
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 02:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.x21e1patyfako5@localhost> |
| In reply to | #41177 |
On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 18:50:43 -0400, <visualforth@rocketmail.com> wrote: > Can you explain in a few sentences how to save a file in Linux? In a GUI app? Same way as Windows. From the File menu, select "Save As". In a command line app? It depends on the app or utility. For, VI :wq Did you mean for Forth? No idea. Rod Pemberton -- Scientists now say we'll experience a mini-ice in 2030. So, I guess we need more global warming today ...
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| From | Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 16:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <01b02fdd-f5cf-4003-ba88-82aaf1237697@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #41172 |
I've used Linux a number of times. I can get on okay with it for day-to-day tasks. It's the more advanced stuff that I get lost with. Adding drivers, setting up networking, printers, that sort of thing. Also, the file system confuses me. From what I've heard, it's actually superior to Windows, with devices being mapped into the file system as if they are files or directories. But I have all this to learn and to be honest, given the choice, I'd really rather not! For example, if I want to access a directory on computer B from computer A across my lan, it's really simple in Windows to create a network share on B and a mapped drive on A so that I can access that network directory as if it's a drive (for example I can call it Z: ) I've really no idea where to start with all this stuff in Linux. And at 44 years old, I wish I didn't have to. But I refuse to use the absolute insult that is Windows 10. Not doing it. I can only think that the lunatics really have taken over the Microsoft asylum. Previously I've always used Ubuntu for my Linux ventures . Installation was as simple as could be. No problems at all. However I'm hearing that Ubuntu has gone a bit bullshitty with Amazonware and the like installed which feels spywareish to me. I'm hoping to use Mint and I hope it will provide as much access to the underlying Linux system through the GUI as possible. (Apologies for line lengths. Posted via mobile phone)
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 01:51 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <20150808015110.603e8e90@maxa-pc> |
| In reply to | #41181 |
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 16:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote: > I've used Linux a number of times. I can get on okay with it for > day-to-day tasks. It's the more advanced stuff that I get lost with. > Adding drivers, setting up networking, printers, that sort of > thing. That depends on distro. Usually drivers are already build into kernel, but depending on distro there are all sorts of gui frontends. eg I use hplip/hplip-plugin for printer. For other things there are command line, as well gui programs. Loading driver manually takes one command: modprobe driver Also, the file system confuses me. From what I've heard, > it's actually superior to Windows, with devices being mapped into > the file system as if they are files or directories. But I have all > this to learn and to be honest, given the choice, I'd really rather > not! For example, if I want to access a directory on computer B > from computer A across my lan, it's really simple in Windows to > create a network share on B and a mapped drive on A so that I can > access that network directory as if it's a drive (for example I can > call it Z: ) Linux does support windows sharing, it's called samba. Depending on the distro it can be configured to share via gui or editing /etc/smb.conf. To access other computers no configuration is necessary, it usually works from file manager. But you have other network sharing options, as well. eg nfs. > > I've really no idea where to start with all this stuff in Linux. And > at 44 years old, Im 46 and using Linux exclusively since 2007.
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| From | Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 07:46 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <mq41hm$550$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #41183 |
On 08.08.2015 02:51, Melzzzzz wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 16:38:46 -0700 (PDT) > Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've used Linux a number of times. I can get on okay with it for >> day-to-day tasks. It's the more advanced stuff that I get lost with. >> Adding drivers, setting up networking, printers, that sort of >> thing. > > That depends on distro. Usually drivers are already build into kernel, > but depending on distro there are all sorts of gui frontends. If there is CUPS, then there is even web interface. And it is much easier than getting Windows to print on LPRpool on my WLAN AP. > eg I use hplip/hplip-plugin for printer. For other things there are > command line, as well gui programs. > Loading driver manually takes one command: modprobe driver Most of the time the problem isn't kernel driver. It is program to use the device. > > Also, the file system confuses me. From what I've heard, >> it's actually superior to Windows, with devices being mapped into >> the file system as if they are files or directories. But I have all >> this to learn and to be honest, given the choice, I'd really rather >> not! For example, if I want to access a directory on computer B >> from computer A across my lan, it's really simple in Windows to >> create a network share on B and a mapped drive on A so that I can >> access that network directory as if it's a drive (for example I can >> call it Z: ) Directory tree is indeed nice. Once I had system spread among three different disks. And then there is LVM support which nicely hide the limits of partitions. > > Linux does support windows sharing, it's called samba. Depending on the > distro it can be configured to share via gui or editing /etc/smb.conf. Samba has also web interface for setting up sharing. There is SSHFS. Even less stuff to worry. > > To access other computers no configuration is necessary, it usually > works from file manager. > But you have other network sharing options, as well. eg nfs. > >> >> I've really no idea where to start with all this stuff in Linux. And >> at 44 years old, > Im 46 and using Linux exclusively since 2007. Choocing distro is easy. If you do things which million people do: ubuntu, debian, mint. 100 000 people: Arch linux 10 000 people: Specific distro, search from distrowatch.com 1000: roll your own. Then try Linux in virtualbox. I prefer Arch Linux as it is simple and non-automated. Hannu Vuolasaho
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