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CASE mis-understanding?

Started byMark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk>
First post2014-01-22 13:52 -0800
Last post2014-01-26 01:59 +0100
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  CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-22 13:52 -0800
    Re: CASE mis-understanding? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-01-22 21:57 +0000
      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-22 14:10 -0800
        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-22 14:11 -0800
          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-01-23 00:14 +0100
      Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-22 14:28 -1000
        Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-01-23 20:22 +1100
          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-01-23 12:34 +0100
            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-01-25 22:44 +1100
              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-25 08:49 -1000
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-01-25 19:40 -0800
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-01-26 23:01 +1100
        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-23 03:43 -0600
          Re: CASE mis-understanding? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-01-23 10:10 +0000
            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-01-23 10:31 +0000
              Re: CASE mis-understanding? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-01-23 11:35 +0000
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-01-23 13:27 +0000
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 05:52 -0800
                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-23 15:50 +0100
                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 01:51 -0800
                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 02:00 -0800
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 02:08 -0800
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 02:26 -0800
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-24 14:23 +0100
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 05:41 -0800
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-01-26 00:49 +1100
                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-01-26 03:01 -0800
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 05:52 -0800
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-23 08:21 -0600
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? BF <foxaudioresearch@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 06:54 -0800
                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-01-23 16:00 +0000
              Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-01-23 20:21 -0800
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-01-23 20:33 -0800
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-24 04:33 -0500
                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-10 23:14 +0000
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-01-24 10:49 +0200
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-24 03:26 -0600
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-24 04:25 -0500
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-01-27 22:09 +1100
                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-01-28 22:38 -0800
            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 03:22 -0800
            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-23 06:52 -0600
            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-23 16:03 +0100
              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-23 10:14 -0600
              Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-23 17:42 +0000
              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-23 10:42 -0800
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-24 15:01 +0100
          Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-23 17:21 +0000
            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-23 12:16 -0600
              Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-24 09:25 +0000
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-24 07:16 -0600
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 05:43 -0800
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? mhx@iae.nl - 2014-01-24 10:57 -0800
                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-25 03:58 -0600
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-27 17:24 +0000
                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-01-27 19:25 +0000
                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-28 03:34 -0600
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-24 14:50 +0100
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-27 17:15 +0000
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-01-24 21:00 -0800
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-01-25 20:47 -0800
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-10 23:36 +0000
            Re: CASE mis-understanding? m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2014-01-24 00:44 -0800
              Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-24 09:20 +0000
        Re: CASE mis-understanding? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-01-23 10:02 +0000
          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-23 09:05 -1000
            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-01-27 00:43 +1100
              Re: CASE mis-understanding? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-01-26 18:04 +0000
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? mhx@iae.nl - 2014-01-26 11:27 -0800
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-01-26 22:09 +0100
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-26 15:35 -0600
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-01-29 01:57 +1100
                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? mhx@iae.nl - 2014-01-28 13:46 -0800
                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-28 12:12 -1000
                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-30 17:19 +0000
                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-02-01 00:40 +1100
                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-31 06:33 -0800
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-31 12:13 -0600
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-31 08:36 -1000
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-01 00:06 -0800
                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-01-31 15:34 +0000
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-02-03 16:18 +1100
                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? mhx@iae.nl - 2014-02-01 03:17 -0800
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-02 13:10 +0000
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-02 16:06 +0000
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-02 10:43 -0600
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-02 18:39 +0100
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-03 14:18 +0000
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-02 18:49 -0800
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-03 09:35 +0000
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-02-03 09:56 +0000
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2014-02-03 02:50 -0800
                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-03 03:17 -0800
                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-03 14:31 +0000
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-03 19:17 -0800
                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-04 12:23 +0000
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-03 19:26 -0800
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-04 08:05 +0000
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-02 19:07 -0800
                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-30 15:59 +0000
                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-01-31 02:34 +0100
                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-01-31 02:38 +0100
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-30 15:51 -1000
                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-03 14:58 +0000
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? mhx@iae.nl - 2014-02-03 12:06 -0800
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-09 15:04 +0000
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? mhx@iae.nl - 2014-02-09 10:56 -0800
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-10 15:58 +0000
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? mhx@iae.nl - 2014-02-10 12:06 -0800
                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-11 11:22 +0000
                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2014-02-11 05:23 -0800
                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? mhx@iae.nl - 2014-02-12 10:54 -0800
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-10 18:12 -0500
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-10 05:13 -0600
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-10 15:44 +0000
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-10 10:40 -0600
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-10 17:47 +0100
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-10 16:34 +0000
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-10 11:09 -0600
                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-10 17:20 +0000
                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-10 12:14 -0600
                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-02-10 22:38 +0000
                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-11 03:46 -0600
                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-02-11 10:30 +0000
                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-11 18:24 -0600
                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-12 15:02 +0000
                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-12 11:23 -0600
                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-13 09:25 +0000
                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-13 04:54 -0600
                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-13 13:41 +0000
                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-13 14:14 +0000
                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-13 08:41 -0600
                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-13 15:29 +0000
                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-13 12:07 -0600
                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-15 16:14 +0000
                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-15 13:22 -0600
                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-17 12:28 +0000
                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-17 14:05 +0000
                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-17 09:49 -0600
                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-17 19:06 +0100
                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-17 12:52 -0600
                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-17 22:51 +0100
                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-18 04:36 -0600
                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-18 09:34 +0000
                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-18 05:01 -0600
                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-18 14:19 +0000
                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-18 08:28 -0800
                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-18 17:14 +0000
                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-18 11:46 -0800
                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-18 18:20 -0500
                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-19 17:10 +0100
                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-19 23:17 -0800
                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-20 09:55 -0600
                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-21 20:15 +0100
                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-22 12:08 +0000
                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 14:45 -0800
                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-23 02:29 +0100
                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 21:29 -0800
                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-23 22:33 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 22:13 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-24 17:30 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-24 14:38 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-26 12:59 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-26 20:12 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-27 04:54 -0600
                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-02-27 12:56 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-27 06:30 -0600
                                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-27 05:29 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-27 15:48 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-27 08:13 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-27 16:23 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-28 11:21 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-28 16:20 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-03-01 01:51 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-28 23:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-03-01 12:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-03-01 13:59 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-03-01 13:03 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-03-01 07:53 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-27 10:12 -0600
                                                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-27 08:46 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-27 10:56 -0600
                                                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-27 10:08 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-27 11:01 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-27 08:12 -1000
                                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-27 16:23 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-02-27 19:53 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-27 07:48 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-27 16:05 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-27 08:27 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-27 10:45 -0600
                                                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-27 20:51 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-03-01 08:46 -0600
                                                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-03-01 16:53 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-03-01 15:06 -1000
                                                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-03-04 01:50 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-03 17:18 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-03-04 02:51 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-03-04 03:20 -0600
                                                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-04 19:12 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-03-05 03:51 -0600
                                                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-04 10:11 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-03-05 14:09 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-01 11:20 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-03-01 15:43 -0600
                                                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-01 22:16 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-03-02 04:56 -0600
                                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-03-02 14:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-03-03 00:59 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-02 08:20 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-03-03 03:03 -0600
                                                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-06 18:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-03-06 17:26 -0600
                                                                                                                                      WITHIN (was: CASE mis-understanding?) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-07 12:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: WITHIN Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-07 12:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: WITHIN mhx@iae.nl - 2014-03-08 05:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: WITHIN anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-08 15:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: WITHIN mhx@iae.nl - 2014-03-08 08:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: WITHIN anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-08 16:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: WITHIN mhx@iae.nl - 2014-03-08 10:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: WITHIN mhx@iae.nl - 2014-03-08 10:48 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: WITHIN anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-08 16:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: WITHIN Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-09 01:24 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: WITHIN anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-09 18:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-06 21:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-03-07 09:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-07 12:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-03-07 19:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-06 18:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-06 23:52 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-07 10:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-07 08:38 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-07 09:36 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-03-02 20:16 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-27 08:18 -1000
                                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-07 13:21 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-03-07 08:26 -0600
                                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-27 10:37 -0600
                                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-01 11:31 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-07 13:18 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-07 11:17 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-03-09 20:49 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-27 16:22 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-28 15:22 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-28 18:32 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-01 03:39 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-03-04 02:19 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-27 13:03 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-24 01:25 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-24 03:36 -0600
                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-24 02:04 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-03-04 01:15 +0100
                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-22 21:09 -0800
                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 21:55 -0800
                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-23 00:47 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 01:45 -0800
                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-20 17:07 +0000
                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-20 16:03 -0800
                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-21 04:11 -0600
                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-21 10:59 +0000
                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 03:26 -0800
                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-02-21 10:34 +0000
                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-21 05:49 -0600
                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-02-22 13:52 +0000
                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-22 09:13 -0600
                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-22 10:45 -0500
                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-21 20:18 -0800
                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-22 15:24 +0000
                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-22 10:37 -0500
                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-11 03:20 +0000
                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-03-11 16:15 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-12 00:10 -0700
                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-22 13:28 +0000
                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-22 08:56 -0600
                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-23 01:27 +0100
                                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-23 04:33 -0600
                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 08:11 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-23 21:44 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 22:48 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-03-04 02:23 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-24 16:05 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Tristan Plumb <firth@trstn.net> - 2014-02-24 18:15 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-24 18:45 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Tristan Plumb <firth@trstn.net> - 2014-02-24 19:18 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-26 12:40 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Tristan Plumb <st@trstn.net> - 2014-02-26 15:27 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-03-04 01:31 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-03-04 16:30 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-03-05 11:48 +0000
                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-22 18:28 -0800
                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Gary Bergstrom <forthprgrmr@gmail.com> - 2014-02-24 08:39 -0800
                                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-24 21:29 -0800
                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-11 00:44 +0000
                                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-11 00:45 +0000
                                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-23 04:35 -0600
                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-18 12:31 -0600
                                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-18 18:19 -0500
                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-18 11:06 -0600
                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-18 12:51 +0000
                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-18 14:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-18 08:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-18 04:48 -0600
                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-18 13:56 +0000
                                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-18 11:15 -0600
                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-18 18:24 -0500
                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-19 03:46 -0600
                                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-21 15:52 +0000
                                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-22 09:10 -0600
                                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-18 13:09 +0000
                                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-18 15:03 +0000
                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-13 15:53 -0800
                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-14 00:39 +0100
                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-14 06:38 -0600
                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-15 15:37 +0000
                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-15 13:33 -0600
                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2014-02-11 10:50 +0100
                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-02-11 10:57 +0000
                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-11 02:35 -0800
                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-11 11:47 +0000
                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-11 13:08 +0000
                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-11 18:42 -0600
                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-12 10:54 +0000
                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-12 05:31 -0600
                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-12 15:52 +0000
                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-12 10:41 -0600
                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-13 09:27 +0000
                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-13 04:49 -0600
                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-13 13:54 +0000
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? mhx@iae.nl - 2014-02-03 12:26 -0800
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-02-07 13:41 +1100
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2014-02-07 01:08 -0800
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-02-08 09:56 +1100
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-07 12:15 +0000
                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-02-01 00:39 +1100
                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2014-01-31 07:29 -0800
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-02-04 23:45 +1100
                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-31 16:31 +0000
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-02-03 12:35 +1100
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-03 09:32 +0000
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-02-08 09:31 +1100
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-08 11:22 +0000
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-03 13:54 +0000
                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-31 08:40 -1000
              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-01-26 22:03 -0800
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? julian.fondren@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 17:19 -0800
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 11:15 -0800
              Re: CASE mis-understanding? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-01-27 13:57 +0000
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-01-28 14:01 +0000
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-01-28 14:49 +0000
                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-01-29 10:07 +1100
                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-01-28 21:54 -0800
                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2014-01-29 00:33 -0800
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-01-29 03:37 -0600
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-01-30 21:51 -0800
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-31 18:44 -0500
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2014-02-09 00:34 -0500
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-09 22:14 -0500
                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-11 01:25 +0000
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 17:44 -0800
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-31 16:03 -1000
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-01 01:55 -0800
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-01 11:34 +0000
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-01 08:11 -1000
                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-02 14:28 +0000
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-02 18:28 -0800
                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-02-07 13:34 +1100
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-07 03:52 +0100
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-02-08 09:41 +1100
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-07 18:33 -0500
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-02-08 00:31 +0100
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-08 11:21 +0000
                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-08 15:03 +0100
                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-08 19:58 -0800
                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-09 08:33 +0000
                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-09 19:50 -0800
                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-10 08:42 +0000
                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-13 16:32 -0800
                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-02-14 02:36 +0100
                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-13 23:04 -0800
                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-13 23:40 -0800
                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-14 04:37 -0500
                                                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-14 09:42 -1000
                                                    Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-15 16:52 -0800
                                                      Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-16 07:46 -0500
                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-16 08:11 -1000
                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-16 16:15 -0800
                                                        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-02-17 09:03 +0100
                                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-16 22:12 -1000
                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2014-02-17 02:29 -0800
                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-17 04:27 -0800
                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-17 09:36 -1000
                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-17 09:22 -1000
                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-17 12:06 -0800
                                                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-17 20:18 -0800
                                                              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-11 01:48 +0000
                                                                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-03-11 16:10 -0400
                                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-14 13:54 +0000
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-06 17:03 -1000
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2014-02-08 09:39 +1100
                          Re: CASE mis-understanding? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-07 20:12 -0800
                            Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-09 21:33 +0000
    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 02:38 -0800
      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 16:17 +0000
        Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 08:54 -0800
          Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-24 09:25 -1000
            Re: CASE mis-understanding? Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 20:34 +0000
              Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-01-24 11:13 -1000
                Re: CASE mis-understanding? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-01-24 17:39 -0500
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-24 16:05 -0800
                  Re: CASE mis-understanding? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-01-25 11:46 +0000
    Re: CASE mis-understanding? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-25 16:15 -0800
      Re: CASE mis-understanding? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-01-26 01:59 +0100

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#28057

FromMark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2014-01-24 02:00 -0800
Message-ID<e6535b2c-875d-459e-b239-0e6f0681ab25@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#28055
Sorry, make that:

: default: [compile] of   compile dup ; immediate

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#28058

FromMark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2014-01-24 02:08 -0800
Message-ID<64b90787-344c-4ee0-a0e4-4e2c12b3dec3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#28057
And once more, with conviction:

: default: compile dup [compile] of ; immediate

[ I got the dup and of the wrong way around ;-) ]

: TEST ( n -- )
  CASE
    1 OF 100 ENDOF
    2 OF 200 ENDOF
    3 OF 300 ENDOF
    DEFAULT: 999 ENDOF
  ENDCASE
  .
;
1 TEST 
100 ok

2 TEST 
200 ok

4 TEST
999 ok

Shame about the trailing ENDOF, but I do think it's an improvement.

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#28059

FromMark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2014-01-24 02:26 -0800
Message-ID<ef39c7c5-720d-4fda-9bdb-0d14a09f2e4b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#28058
Okay, this is my last post on this subject, I promise :-)

It's possible to do away with the trailing ENDOF, by setting a flag in default: and checking it in ENDCASE, thusly (tested in GForth):

variable (default)

: default: ( -- )
  postpone dup  
  postpone of   
  true (default) !
; immediate

: endcase ( -- )
    (default) @ if
        false (default) !
        postpone endof
        postpone endcase
    then
; immediate

: test 
    case
        1 of 100 endof
        2 of 200 endof
        3 of 300 endof
        default: 999
    endcase
    .
;

1 test
2 test
3 test
4 test

Note in the above that ENDCASE is re-defined in terms of its old self, with a little bit of trickery included.

Regards

Mark

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#28064

FromBernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Date2014-01-24 14:23 +0100
Message-ID<lbtpgi$kgl$1@online.de>
In reply to#28059
Mark Wills wrote:

> Okay, this is my last post on this subject, I promise :-)
> 
> It's possible to do away with the trailing ENDOF, by setting a flag in
> default: and checking it in ENDCASE, thusly (tested in GForth):
> 
> variable (default)
> 
> : default: ( -- )
>   postpone dup
>   postpone of
>   true (default) !
> ; immediate
> 
> : endcase ( -- )
>     (default) @ if
>         false (default) !
>         postpone endof
>         postpone endcase
>     then
> ; immediate
> 
> : test
>     case
>         1 of 100 endof
>         2 of 200 endof
>         3 of 300 endof
>         default: 999
>     endcase
>     .
> ;
> 
> 1 test
> 2 test
> 3 test
> 4 test
> 
> Note in the above that ENDCASE is re-defined in terms of its old self,
> with a little bit of trickery included.

This should work on any standard system, but if you want a Gforth-specific 
solution, it's easier:

Variable (defaulting)

: default:  (defaulting) on  postpone drop ; immediate compile-only
: endcase ( case-sys -- )
  >r cs-drop  (defaulting) @ 0= IF  postpone drop  THEN
  r> n-thens  (defaulting) off ; immediate compile-only

This is definitely an improvement, any objections?  I added an 
implementation to Gforth git without using a variable - the state of 
defaulting is on the stack there.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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#28065

FromMark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2014-01-24 05:41 -0800
Message-ID<5ab51ec5-84b6-47d6-93da-b489b4b47d6e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#28064
On Friday, January 24, 2014 1:23:30 PM UTC, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> This is definitely an improvement, any objections?

No objections here. I like the syntax very much. It's clear and doesn't cause the reader to guess what's going on. Whereas I believe something like:

DUP OF <thing> ENDOF

Does cause the reader to 'problem solve' in order to deduce that that is the catch-all case.

default: <thing>

Is much clearer.

I've added it to my system and will be using it from now on. It's very nice. I'm also going to use it on any GForth code that I write. Hang the standard!

I also like your ON and OFF words. They're very nice. Why didn't I think of that...?

Regards

Mark

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#28088

From"Ed" <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2014-01-26 00:49 +1100
Message-ID<lc0fg7$sta$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#28065
Mark Wills wrote:
> ...
> No objections here. I like the syntax very much. It's clear and doesn't cause the reader to
> guess what's going on.

This is Forth.  You should be liking the shortest code possible.
It's what's under the skin that counts :)



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#28106

FromMikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-26 03:01 -0800
Message-ID<e31dc17f-6b0b-4a15-be42-89202b5dd6a5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#28028
On Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:50:11 PM UTC+2, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> Mikael Nordman wrote:
> > Could it be possible to insert a new word DEFAULT that does the DROP
> > instead of ENDCASE ??
> You could have
>
> case  1 of 100 endof 
>       2 of 200 endof
>       3 of 300 endof
>       default 999 endof
> endcase
> 
> without problem.  The endcase would still drop, but never be reached, 
> because the DEFAULT is a catch-all statement.
> -- 
> Bernd Paysan
> "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> http://bernd-paysan.de/

Here the new FlashForth case with default .. endof.

I think its just as well to have endof in the default branch
and not try to make endcase more complicated.


\ of compare
: (of) ( n1 n2 -- n1 flag ) 
  inline over
  inline -
  0=
;

: case  (  -- #of )
  0
; immediate

: of  ( #of -- #of orig )  
    postpone (of)  ( copy and test case value)
    postpone if    ( add orig to control flow stack )
    postpone drop  ( discard case value if case is matching )
; immediate

: default ( #of -- #of orig )
  postpone true      ( Force to take the default branch )
  postpone if        ( add orig to control flow stack )
  postpone drop      ( discard case value )
; immediate

: endof ( orig1  -- orig2 #of )
   postpone else 
   swap 1+
; immediate

: endcase  ( orig1..orign #of  -- )
    postpone drop  ( discard case value )
    for
      postpone then ( resolve of branches )
    next
; immediate

: case-test 
  case 
  2 of ." two " 2222 endof 
  3 of ." three " 3333 endof 
  default  ." default " 9999 endof 
  endcase 
  u. 
;  ok<$,ram> 
  ok<$,ram> 
2 case-test two 2222  ok<$,ram> 
3 case-test three 3333  ok<$,ram> 
8 case-test default 9999  ok<$,ram> 

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#28025

FromMikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-23 05:52 -0800
Message-ID<e4e1c906-32b6-4513-9871-1f640852431c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#28023
But forth is a nice interactive assembler for small flash systems like flashforth.

And I like it.

Could it be possible to insert a new word DEFAULT that does the DROP instead of ENDCASE ??

Mike 
http://flashforth.sourceforge.net

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#28027

FromAndrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Date2014-01-23 08:21 -0600
Message-ID<GfqdnQNdFM7AuHzPnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#28020
Stephen Pelc <stephenXXX@mpeforth.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:31:34 -0000, "gareth"
> <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>"Stephen Pelc" <stephenXXX@mpeforth.com> wrote in message 
>>news:52e0e8dd.173300325@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> For application programmers, the Eaker CASE has the advantage of
>>> producing simple, reliable and maintainable source code.
> 
>>FORTH, by its very nature as an emulation of a low-level stack-based
>>assembler instruction set simply cannot be use to produce "simple, reliable 
>>and maintainable source code"
> 
> There's a whole set of assumptions there.  
> 
> You haven't written much Forth, have you?

I think you'll find that this same troll has been making essentially
the same point and has ignored or misconstrued to any arguments to the
contrary since at least 2002.  He's not going to get any better.

Message-ID: <3c99c47f_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>

Andrew.

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#28029

FromBF <foxaudioresearch@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-23 06:54 -0800
Message-ID<f687097e-c28b-44d3-b726-2daa9d9c8bd7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#28027
On Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:21:17 AM UTC-5, Andrew Haley wrote:
> Stephen Pelc <stephenXXX@mpeforth.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:31:34 -0000, "gareth"
> 
> > <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> >>"Stephen Pelc" <stephenXXX@mpeforth.com> wrote in message 
> 
> >>news:52e0e8dd.173300325@news.demon.co.uk...
> 
> >>> For application programmers, the Eaker CASE has the advantage of
> 
> >>> producing simple, reliable and maintainable source code.
> 
> > 
> 
> >>FORTH, by its very nature as an emulation of a low-level stack-based
> 
> >>assembler instruction set simply cannot be use to produce "simple, reliable 
> 
> >>and maintainable source code"
> 
> > 
> 
> > There's a whole set of assumptions there.  
> 
> > 
> 
> > You haven't written much Forth, have you?
> 
> 
> 
> I think you'll find that this same troll has been making essentially
> 
> the same point and has ignored or misconstrued to any arguments to the
> 
> contrary since at least 2002.  He's not going to get any better.
> 
> 
> 
> Message-ID: <3c99c47f_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew.

I'm still lurking after all these years.

Sometimes these comments come from people who have trouble taking enough time to get to the productivity stage with Forth.  In my experience, Forth is more like the human languages I have learned in that early on one has trouble saying anything very meaningful but then after a critical mass of vocabulary is acquired one can converse successfully.

Or it's a troll. ;-)

Brian Fox

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#28031

From"Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com>
Date2014-01-23 16:00 +0000
Message-ID<lbrea9$6pd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28029
on 23/01/2014 14:54:31, BF wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Or it's a troll. ;-)

Mr Evans is best avoided. 

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#28044

Fromhughaguilar96@yahoo.com
Date2014-01-23 20:21 -0800
Message-ID<d303f8bf-8ea7-4675-a417-2cb5fa7b7070@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#28018
On Thursday, January 23, 2014 3:31:34 AM UTC-7, gareth wrote:
> FORTH, by its very nature as an emulation of a low-level stack-based
> assembler instruction set simply cannot be use to produce "simple, reliable 
> and maintainable source code"

Forth is whatever you want it to be. In the case of the ANS-Forth technical committee, Forth is a screwed-up mess (CASE is just one of many problems with ANS-Forth). This doesn't mean that Forth "by its very nature" is a screwed up mess --- I'm designing a Forth that will be suitable for writing "simple, reliable and maintainable source code" and it will still be "an emulation of a low-level stack-based assembler instruction set."

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#28045

Fromhughaguilar96@yahoo.com
Date2014-01-23 20:33 -0800
Message-ID<2fcbc724-02f0-4739-a819-c2362ae85ef8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#28044
On Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:21:28 PM UTC-7, hughag...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I'm designing a Forth that will be suitable for writing "simple, reliable and maintainable source code" ...

When I post a message saying that I'm designing a Forth with quotations that provide access to the creator function's local variables, my message gets blocked and never appears. When I post a message saying that I'm designing a Forth that will be suitable for writing simple, reliable and maintainable source code, my message gets posted.

So, what is the difference?

Also, who exactly has the authority to censor comp.lang.forth anyway? Obviously, somebody who doesn't want quotations to have access to the creator function's local variables. That is a short list of suspects.

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#28053

From"Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm>
Date2014-01-24 04:33 -0500
Message-ID<op.w96p5n1c5zc71u@localhost>
In reply to#28045
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 23:33:41 -0500, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:21:28 PM UTC-7, hughag...@yahoo.com  
> wrote:

>> I'm designing a Forth that will be suitable for writing "simple,  
>> reliable and maintainable source code" ...
>
> When I post a message saying that I'm designing a Forth with quotations  
> that provide access to the creator function's local variables, my  
> message gets blocked and never appears. When I post a message saying  
> that I'm designing a Forth that will be suitable for writing simple,  
> reliable and maintainable source code, my message gets posted.
>
> So, what is the difference?
>

<OT Usenet>

And, one more person here with Usenet issues...

> Also, who exactly has the authority to censor comp.lang.forth anyway?

It's a unmoderated Usenet group, so no one.

If your post didn't make it to Google Groups, it likely got lost.  Google
Groups slurps Usenet from everywhere it seems.

It seems, you're posting using Google Groups.  They might moderate
Google Groups including posts to Usenet groups, or they may have had
some parsing or posting issue with their new Web interface, etc.

Personally, I'd expect posts through Google Groups would show up in Google
Groups, even if not sent out to Usenet.  But, it might be they post to a
major Usenet provider and read back posts from them.  In which case, it
could've gotten lost.

But, most of that is just speculation...

FYI, I see these two posts of yours on two of three Usenet servers.
I'm not sure, but the one server might filter out posts from Google Groups.

Maybe, try AIOE.org to post, or Eternal September using a Usenet capable
browser, or a newsreader.


Rod Pemberton

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#29000

From"WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com>
Date2014-03-10 23:14 +0000
Message-ID<lflh0j$b3s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28053
Rod Pemberton wrote:

> Maybe, try AIOE.org to post, or Eternal September using a Usenet capable
> browser, or a newsreader.

Eternal September works well.

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#28048

FromRon Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com>
Date2014-01-24 10:49 +0200
Message-ID<lbt9ep$pke$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28044
On 01/24/2014 06:21 AM, hughaguilar96@yahoo.com wrote:>
>  In the case of the ANS-Forth technical committee, Forth is a
screwed-up mess

Agreed.

In "8th" there are three "case"-like words: "caseof", "when" and "when!".

"when" takes as an argument an array of pairs of words.  For each pair,
8th evaluates the first word in the pair and if evaluates to "true", the
second word is evaluated and the "when" stops there.  If none of the
pairs evaluates "true", then the last item in the array is evaluated (if
there is a single item at the end; this is the "default" case if it exists).

"when!" is the same as "when", except that it continues and executes the
second item in *every* pair which evaluates "true"

"caseof" is a selection statement: it takes an array or an object and an
appropriate key (number or string, depending on whether an array or
object was given).  It retrieves the item corresponding to the key; if
there is such an item, then if it is a word it is evaluated otherwise it
is just put in TOS.

A simple example:

	[ "zero", "one", "two", "three" ] 2 caseof

will return "two", since that is the second item in the array it was given.

Similarly:

       [
             ( dup 0 = ) , ( zero ) ,
             ( dup 1 = ) , ( one ) ,
             ( dup 2 = ) , ( two ) ,
	     ( dowhatever )
       ] 2 when

would execute "two"

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#28051

FromAndrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Date2014-01-24 03:26 -0600
Message-ID<Z-GdnaVXmtYgrH_PnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#28048
Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/24/2014 06:21 AM, hughaguilar96@yahoo.com wrote:>
> 
> In "8th" there are three "case"-like words: "caseof", "when" and "when!".

You need more!  In "9th" there will be "whatever", "anything", and
"maybe".

Andrew.

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#28049

From"Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm>
Date2014-01-24 04:25 -0500
Message-ID<op.w96psnk05zc71u@localhost>
In reply to#28044
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 23:21:28 -0500, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Forth is whatever you want it to be.

If you change the syntax enough that there are *no* standard or
common Forth words remaining, is it still Forth? ...

E.g., if Forth syntax was completely changed to be another high-level
language, like C or Fortran or Pascal or COBOL, can you still claim
it's Forth?  How much Forth must still remain?

> I'm designing a Forth that will be suitable for writing "simple,
> reliable and maintainable source code" and it will still be "an
> emulation of a low-level stack-based assembler instruction set."

If there are no Forth control-flow words remaining, then I'd argue
that it's a new or different language using a Forth backend, e.g.,
assembly, Gcode, etc.


Rod Pemberton

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#28120

From"Ed" <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2014-01-27 22:09 +1100
Message-ID<lc5et8$dkq$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#28049
Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 23:21:28 -0500, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Forth is whatever you want it to be.
>
> If you change the syntax enough that there are *no* standard or
> common Forth words remaining, is it still Forth? ...
>
> E.g., if Forth syntax was completely changed to be another high-level
> language, like C or Fortran or Pascal or COBOL, can you still claim
> it's Forth?  How much Forth must still remain?

How do *you* know what has been presented to you as Forth is?
A few people getting together, voting on something and stamping it
"FORTH" means little.  Unless one needs to comply with what others
claim to be Forth (and at this point in Forth's history it hardly matters)
one is free to do as one pleases.

Chances of success are surely no worse than the choices TC's have
made and would have you follow.  You might actually feel the better
for having made your own choices and wearing the consequences -
because then you are free to correct mistakes and don't have to spend
your years giving out lame rationales for things that even you don't
believe.




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#28164

Fromhughaguilar96@yahoo.com
Date2014-01-28 22:38 -0800
Message-ID<b9763818-23ec-418c-8c50-707fd89e2efc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#28120
On Monday, January 27, 2014 4:09:38 AM UTC-7, Ed wrote:
> Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 23:21:28 -0500, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Forth is whatever you want it to be.
> 
> > If you change the syntax enough that there are *no* standard or
> > common Forth words remaining, is it still Forth? ...
> 
> > E.g., if Forth syntax was completely changed to be another high-level
> > language, like C or Fortran or Pascal or COBOL, can you still claim
> > it's Forth?  How much Forth must still remain?
 
> How do *you* know what has been presented to you as Forth is?
> A few people getting together, voting on something and stamping it
> "FORTH" means little.  Unless one needs to comply with what others
> claim to be Forth (and at this point in Forth's history it hardly matters)
> one is free to do as one pleases.
> 
> Chances of success are surely no worse than the choices TC's have
> made and would have you follow.  You might actually feel the better
> for having made your own choices and wearing the consequences -
> because then you are free to correct mistakes and don't have to spend
> your years giving out lame rationales for things that even you don't
> believe.

You are one of the few people making any sense!

Mark Wills has made the point that there can be multiple Forth standards. If Forth-200x were to fix the mistakes of ANS-Forth and start making sense, but no longer compile and run ANS-Forth programs, ANS-Forth would continue to be a standard for those who want to stick with it. Gradually they might migrate over to the new standard, but they can stick with ANS-Forth as long as it is providing what they need. A little Balkanization is a good thing. Having everybody under one dictator is the road to ruin, even if the dictator is benevolent. For example, Europe is better off as a collection of small sovereign countries, rather than a single gigantic country --- the same is true of Forth.

The people who get stuck on supporting legacy software, are MBAs who don't know how to program. They think that they invested money in having software written, and they want their investment to last forever. They hate the idea of rewriting code --- that is like buying a truck and then throwing it away a year later because the new trucks available provide better fuel mileage. Programmers are much less concerned about supporting legacy software because they know that it is often easier to rewrite code than to continue maintaining it forever --- rewriting code is not like buying a new truck, because a lot of the code (and certainly the concepts) from the old program can get carried over to the new program. 

The MBAs can stick with ANS-Forth and never-mind the fact that there is a new standard, and they can hire novice programmers to maintain their software for them. The real programmers writing new programs can migrate to whatever standard makes sense to them.

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