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  A clear victory for MMP Chris <xrissmith@me.com> - 2013-10-06 18:24 -0700
    Re: A clear victory for MMP Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-06 18:48 -0700
      Re: A clear victory for MMP jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk - 2013-10-08 10:51 -0700
    Re: A clear victory for MMP Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-07 04:44 -0700
      Re: A clear victory for MMP Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-10-07 07:13 -0500
        Re: A clear victory for MMP Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-07 05:43 -0700
      Re: A clear victory for MMP visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2013-10-08 10:42 -0700
      Re: A clear victory for MMP rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-11 02:18 -0400
        Re: A clear victory for MMP "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-10-10 20:35 -1000
      Re: A clear victory for MMP "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@nohavenotit.com> - 2013-10-25 18:05 -0400
    Re: A clear victory for MMP Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-10-10 11:28 -0700
      Re: A clear victory for MMP albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-10-10 23:01 +0000
        Re: A clear victory for MMP Rafael Deliano <rafael_deliano@arcor.de> - 2013-10-11 20:35 +0200
          Re: A clear victory for MMP forther <forther@gmail.com> - 2013-10-12 12:47 -0700
            Re: A clear victory for MMP rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-12 22:36 -0400
              Re: A clear victory for MMP forther <forther@gmail.com> - 2013-10-13 23:12 -0700
                Re: A clear victory for MMP rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-25 13:24 -0400
                  Re: A clear victory for MMP Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 12:06 -0700
                    Re: A clear victory for MMP rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 02:40 -0400
                      Re: A clear victory for MMP Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-26 00:14 -0700
          Re: A clear victory for MMP rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-12 22:32 -0400
            Re: A clear victory for MMP Rafael Deliano <rafael_deliano@arcor.de> - 2013-10-13 10:36 +0200
              Re: A clear victory for MMP Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-13 20:46 -0700
              Re: A clear victory for MMP rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-25 13:55 -0400
                Re: A clear victory for MMP Rafael Deliano <rafael_deliano@arcor.de> - 2013-10-27 09:25 +0100
                  Re: A clear victory for MMP Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-27 03:00 -0700
                    Re: A clear victory for MMP Rafael Deliano <rafael_deliano@arcor.de> - 2013-10-27 11:50 +0100
                  Re: A clear victory for MMP albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-10-27 10:02 +0000
                    Re: A clear victory for MMP Rafael Deliano <rafael_deliano@arcor.de> - 2013-10-27 13:37 +0100
                      Re: A clear victory for MMP rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 12:28 -0400
                  Re: A clear victory for MMP rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 06:07 -0400
                    Re: A clear victory for MMP Rafael Deliano <rafael_deliano@arcor.de> - 2013-10-27 13:03 +0100
          Re: A clear victory for MMP the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 16:57 -0800
    Re: A clear victory for MMP Chris <xrissmith@me.com> - 2013-10-16 20:11 -0700
      Re: A clear victory for MMP albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-10-17 12:14 +0000
        Re: A clear victory for MMP John Rible <google@sandpipers.com> - 2013-10-17 10:51 -0700
        Re: A clear victory for MMP "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@nohavenotit.com> - 2013-10-18 03:30 -0400
    Re: A clear victory for MMP Chris <xrissmith@me.com> - 2013-11-01 20:13 -0700
    Re: A clear victory for MMP the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 16:59 -0800

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#26337 — A clear victory for MMP

Chuck Moore's Weblog updated

http://www.colorforth.com/blog.htm

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#26338

Chris <xrissmith@me.com> writes:
> Chuck Moore's Weblog updated
> http://www.colorforth.com/blog.htm

I like his shoes in the lecture photo.

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#26357

On Monday, 7 October 2013 02:48:14 UTC+1, Paul Rubin  wrote:

> 
> I like his shoes in the lecture photo.

They look like Vibram Fivefingers to me. Totally predictable IMO that he'd wear something like those...

    J^n

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#26340

On Monday, October 7, 2013 2:24:14 AM UTC+1, Chris wrote:
> Chuck Moore's Weblog updated
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.colorforth.com/blog.htm

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the update :-)

From Chuck's blog :
"Jury decided HTC infringes my '336 patent. Took 5 years, but a clear victory for MMP. Expect licensing will be revitalized."

Can anyone enlighten me as to what HTC and MMP mean?

Best regards & TIA,
Howerd

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#26341

Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Monday, October 7, 2013 2:24:14 AM UTC+1, Chris wrote:
>> Chuck Moore's Weblog updated
>> 
>> http://www.colorforth.com/blog.htm
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Thanks for the update :-)
> 
> From Chuck's blog :
> "Jury decided HTC infringes my '336 patent. Took 5 years, but a clear victory for MMP. Expect licensing will be revitalized."
> 
> Can anyone enlighten me as to what HTC and MMP mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Htc
MMP is Moore Microprocessor Patents

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#26342

On Monday, October 7, 2013 1:13:22 PM UTC+1, Andrew Haley wrote:
> Howerd <ho.....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, October 7, 2013 2:24:14 AM UTC+1, Chris wrote:
> 
> >> Chuck Moore's Weblog updated
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> http://www.colorforth.com/blog.htm
> 
> > 
> 
> > Hi Chris,
> 
> > 
> 
> > Thanks for the update :-)
> 
> > 
> 
> > From Chuck's blog :
> 
> > "Jury decided HTC infringes my '336 patent. Took 5 years, but a clear victory for MMP. Expect licensing will be revitalized."
> 
> > 
> 
> > Can anyone enlighten me as to what HTC and MMP mean?
> 
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Htc
> 
> MMP is Moore Microprocessor Patents

Thanks!

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#26356

On Monday, October 7, 2013 7:44:22 AM UTC-4, Howerd wrote:
> On Monday, October 7, 2013 2:24:14 AM UTC+1, Chris wrote:
> 
> > Chuck Moore's Weblog updated
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > http://www.colorforth.com/blog.htm
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for the update :-)
> 
> 
> 
> From Chuck's blog :
> 
> "Jury decided HTC infringes my '336 patent. Took 5 years, but a clear victory for MMP. Expect licensing will be revitalized."
> 
> 
> 
> Can anyone enlighten me as to what HTC and MMP mean?
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards & TIA,
> 
> Howerd

MMP is the abbreviation for "Moore Microprocessor Portfolio", also see
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/10/prweb4600264.htm

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#26386

On 10/7/2013 7:44 AM, Howerd wrote:
> On Monday, October 7, 2013 2:24:14 AM UTC+1, Chris wrote:
>> Chuck Moore's Weblog updated
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.colorforth.com/blog.htm
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Thanks for the update :-)
>
>  From Chuck's blog :
> "Jury decided HTC infringes my '336 patent. Took 5 years, but a clear victory for MMP. Expect licensing will be revitalized."
>
> Can anyone enlighten me as to what HTC and MMP mean?
>
> Best regards&  TIA,
> Howerd

HTC Corp is an Asian cell phone maker.  It seems TPL (the company that 
is supposed to be managing the MMP for Chuck) has been suing the 
companies that use the CPUs that infringe rather than going after the 
companies that make the CPUs.  It's all rather complicated (or seems so 
to me).

Intel is paying for at least one of the patents.  I found an article 
that says ARM was resolved of infringement of at least one of the 
patents.  So I'm not sure what products are left that aren't using one 
of those two sources of CPUs?

-- 

Rick

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#26387

On 10/10/13 8:18 PM, rickman wrote:
> On 10/7/2013 7:44 AM, Howerd wrote:
>> On Monday, October 7, 2013 2:24:14 AM UTC+1, Chris wrote:
>>> Chuck Moore's Weblog updated
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.colorforth.com/blog.htm
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Thanks for the update :-)
>>
>>  From Chuck's blog :
>> "Jury decided HTC infringes my '336 patent. Took 5 years, but a clear 
>> victory for MMP. Expect licensing will be revitalized."
>>
>> Can anyone enlighten me as to what HTC and MMP mean?
>>
>> Best regards&  TIA,
>> Howerd
> 
> HTC Corp is an Asian cell phone maker.  It seems TPL (the company that 
> is supposed to be managing the MMP for Chuck) has been suing the 
> companies that use the CPUs that infringe rather than going after the 
> companies that make the CPUs.  It's all rather complicated (or seems so 
> to me).

TPL = Lekrone.

Cheers,
Elizabeth

> 
> Intel is paying for at least one of the patents.  I found an article 
> that says ARM was resolved of infringement of at least one of the 
> patents.  So I'm not sure what products are left that aren't using one 
> of those two sources of CPUs?
> 


-- 
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5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700
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http://www.forth.com

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#26683

On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 07:44:22 -0400, Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Monday, October 7, 2013 2:24:14 AM UTC+1, Chris wrote:
>> Chuck Moore's Weblog updated

>> http://www.colorforth.com/blog.htm
>
> From Chuck's blog :
> "Jury decided HTC infringes my '336 patent. Took 5 years, but
> a clear victory for MMP. Expect licensing will be revitalized."
>

... "clear victory" ...

What an interesting choice of words.


Technology Properties Limited
50% owner of MMP (Moore Microprocessor Patent) portfolio
assets: $500K to $1 million
liabilities: $50 million to $100 million
Pres.: Daniel McNary Lekrone, aka "Mac" Lekrone
CEO: Chet Brown
CFO: Dwayne Hannah
CTO: Charles Moore

"On March 20, 2013, Technology Properties Limited LLC
filed a voluntary petition for reorganization under
Chapter 11 in the US Bankruptcy Court for the Northern
District of California."


Patriot Scientific
50% owner of MMP (Moore Microprocessor Patent) portfolio
OTC BB security
symbol PTSC
USD $0.11/share
P/E 28.25
ROA: -12.07%
EBITDA: USD $ -1.43 million
Total Cash: USD $7.25 million
Market Cap: USD $45 million
interim CEO/CFO: Cliff Flowers


One is bankrupt (ongoing) and the other is headed
there, or so it seems ... negative $1.43 million
in earnings per year, just a few years of cash,
security under $1 USD.  Just how does one define
a "clear victory"?  ISTM that a very realistic
outcome for both is they'll be for sale in short
order, unless those licensing fees are absolutely
outrageous, bordering on unjust enrichment.


Rod Pemberton

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#26380

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:24:14 PM UTC-4, Chris wrote:
> Chuck Moore's Weblog updated
> 
> http://www.colorforth.com/blog.htm

It's upbeat and doesn't mention Leckrone, so I assume this is good for Chuck. Helps keep GreenArrays solvent and rely less on volunteer help.

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#26383

In article <fdbcf372-5e93-42d1-ad71-8779fcd13810@googlegroups.com>,
Brad Eckert  <hwfwguy@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:24:14 PM UTC-4, Chris wrote:
>> Chuck Moore's Weblog updated
>>
>> http://www.colorforth.com/blog.htm
>
>It's upbeat and doesn't mention Leckrone, so I assume this is good for
>Chuck. Helps keep GreenArrays solvent and rely less on volunteer help.

I've never seen other than upbeat messages from Chuck.
Your conclusion is IMHO way too optimistic.

Remember you need a Leckrone type to turn a patent portfolio into
money. That kind of person tend to line their own pockets preferably.

I pray for 10 million royalties, 5 million investment in application
notes and the enlightment to produce part of the GA chips in DIL packages.
(but I never believed in praying anyway...)

Groetjes Albert
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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#26397

> I pray for 10 million royalties, 5 million investment in application
> notes and the enlightment to produce part of the GA chips in DIL packages.
> (but I never believed in praying anyway...)

I have put the GA board in a box in the cellar by now: the cpu is
too limited for anything usefull, decent documentation wouldn't help.

GA144 is Chuck Moore's hobby horse masquerading as a commercial company.
And his customer orientation is after all legendary. Novix 
multiplication bug: "It never affected any of my applications...".

Whats needed is someone like Jeff Fox who can sell.
And a more decent product. Not a bunch of crippled transputers,
at 1,8 Volt, in a unbreadboardable package.

My odd advice:
* if possible team up with Chip Gracey of Parallax.
   The propeller is much more usable and reasonably successfull.
   But obviously not enough for a second generation chip.
   The propeller multitasking is nice, the CPU is so-and-so,
   the Spin-language ugly.
   Something like a RTX2000 CPU and a FORTH in ROM combined
   with the propeller multitasker would be a decent combination
   that would appeal to two established small user communities.

* test the market and finance via kickstarter / indiegogo.
   If a well prepared campaign doesn't succeed with the hobbyist
   and small volume user then its no go. There are no big volume
   industrial buyers readily available.

MfG JRD

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#26430

On Friday, October 11, 2013 11:35:56 AM UTC-7, Rafael Deliano wrote:

> I have put the GA board in a box in the cellar by now: the cpu is
> too limited for anything usefull, decent documentation wouldn't help.

Define useful. I know people succeeded with audio DSP, image processing and
cryptography with ga144 and its predecessor - s40. At least for them it is quite useful.  

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#26443

On 10/12/2013 3:47 PM, forther wrote:
> On Friday, October 11, 2013 11:35:56 AM UTC-7, Rafael Deliano wrote:
>
>> I have put the GA board in a box in the cellar by now: the cpu is
>> too limited for anything usefull, decent documentation wouldn't help.
>
> Define useful. I know people succeeded with audio DSP, image processing and
> cryptography with ga144 and its predecessor - s40. At least for them it is quite useful.

Can you tell us about these apps?  Are any of them commercial?  I have 
yet to find a commercial app using the GA144.

BTW, I got my Schmartboard GA144s the other day.  I need to figure out 
what I need to do to get one running.

-- 

Rick

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#26490

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 7:36:37 PM UTC-7, rickman wrote:

> Can you tell us about these apps?

http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/37775/InTech-Wavefront_systolic_algorithms_for_implementation_of_stereo_vision_and_obstacle_avoidance_computations_on_a_very_low_power_mimd_many_core_parallel_architecture_applications_for_mobile_systems_and_wearable_visual_guidance_.pdf

http://www.hgi.rub.de/media/sh/veroeffentlichungen/2013/05/07/GA144_crypto.pdf

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#26678

On 10/14/2013 2:12 AM, forther wrote:
> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 7:36:37 PM UTC-7, rickman wrote:
>
>> Can you tell us about these apps?
>
> http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/37775/InTech-Wavefront_systolic_algorithms_for_implementation_of_stereo_vision_and_obstacle_avoidance_computations_on_a_very_low_power_mimd_many_core_parallel_architecture_applications_for_mobile_systems_and_wearable_visual_guidance_.pdf
>
> http://www.hgi.rub.de/media/sh/veroeffentlichungen/2013/05/07/GA144_crypto.pdf

Yeah, there are a few apps which are systolic in nature that can be done 
on the GA144.  But has it been used in any significant products?  I 
would love to hear any of the success stories.

I just don't get why they don't feel they need to address any of the 
shortcomings of the chip.  Is it that they don't feel it is needed or 
that they just don't have the means to spin another chip?

-- 

Rick

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#26681

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
> I just don't get why they don't feel they need to address any of the
> shortcomings of the chip.  Is it that they don't feel it is needed or
> that they just don't have the means to spin another chip?

They claim to be working on a 32 bit version.

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#26686

On 10/25/2013 3:06 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com>  writes:
>> I just don't get why they don't feel they need to address any of the
>> shortcomings of the chip.  Is it that they don't feel it is needed or
>> that they just don't have the means to spin another chip?
>
> They claim to be working on a 32 bit version.

Which solves what problem exactly?

-- 

Rick

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#26688

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>> They claim to be working on a 32 bit version.
> Which solves what problem exactly?

I suppose we'll find out if they ever release it.

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