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| Started by | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| First post | 2017-03-23 02:17 -0500 |
| Last post | 2017-05-11 20:59 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 184 — 31 participants |
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comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-23 02:17 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 00:27 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-23 11:50 +0000
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-23 12:34 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 10:56 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM mentificium@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 05:25 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 19:23 -0400
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM john <anon@example.com> - 2017-05-03 10:54 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM mentificium@gmail.com - 2017-05-04 05:28 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Dennis Ruffer <daruffer@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 17:46 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 18:49 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-24 22:09 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 20:47 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-03-25 10:49 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 12:39 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM The Beez <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 02:07 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-10 11:23 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-05-10 16:29 -1000
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-11 13:39 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 16:01 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-05-11 21:41 -1000
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-05-12 03:18 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-12 19:12 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-12 19:15 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 12:01 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-05-16 17:59 -0400
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-24 16:57 -0400
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-05-26 02:28 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-12 17:44 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-05-13 00:21 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 12:15 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-05-13 00:30 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-13 04:43 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-13 12:51 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-13 08:47 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-13 09:57 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-13 18:26 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-13 10:59 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 12:36 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-05-14 00:33 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-14 12:04 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-05-14 11:45 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-14 12:02 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-14 14:22 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-05-14 23:08 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-14 14:12 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-14 12:25 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-14 14:48 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-05-15 00:24 -0400
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-15 00:14 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-15 00:17 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-15 00:30 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 09:54 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 02:27 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-05-15 00:24 -0400
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 09:53 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andreas Klimas <klimas@w3group.de> - 2017-05-15 16:31 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 11:43 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 15:47 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 20:06 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 12:05 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-05-16 15:00 +0000
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-16 10:52 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-16 19:33 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-16 21:11 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-16 21:25 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-17 07:48 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 10:50 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-17 19:27 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 11:42 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-17 20:22 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 12:57 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 13:01 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-18 13:01 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-18 14:09 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 07:00 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 22:15 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 22:21 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-18 08:04 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 23:10 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-18 08:19 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 23:29 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-18 08:44 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 01:13 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-18 10:02 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 01:29 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-18 11:34 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 03:56 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-05-18 09:44 +0000
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-05-18 09:42 +0000
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 03:59 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-18 13:01 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-05-18 08:26 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-05-18 09:37 +0000
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-18 08:16 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-18 11:04 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 19:41 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-16 21:05 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-16 11:21 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 20:32 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 19:35 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 11:06 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-17 19:30 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 12:02 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-17 20:41 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 19:17 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 20:58 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-18 10:46 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-18 08:43 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-18 16:00 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-20 01:47 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-20 13:03 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-20 17:51 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-21 07:51 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-21 00:11 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-21 17:46 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-21 10:34 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-21 20:57 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-18 04:08 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-18 10:51 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 05:15 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-18 14:51 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 09:18 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-18 21:15 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 19:49 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-19 07:10 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-19 07:42 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 09:59 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 18:48 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-19 12:40 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 20:57 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-20 03:42 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 02:00 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-20 10:15 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-20 13:34 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-20 02:01 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-20 13:18 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-19 17:06 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 08:31 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-19 17:02 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 09:18 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 09:34 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andreas Klimas <klimas@w3group.de> - 2017-05-18 16:40 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-18 08:12 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 02:30 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 18:57 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 14:01 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-21 19:55 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 11:57 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 12:41 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 13:02 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-21 14:43 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 16:32 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-21 18:46 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-22 07:05 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 13:45 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-23 22:02 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-05-24 01:00 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-24 14:07 +0100
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 22:14 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-05-16 18:48 -1000
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-21 15:06 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 12:16 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 12:18 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 11:58 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 03:32 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-12 19:29 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 08:25 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-13 13:25 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-05-15 05:45 +0000
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 06:54 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andreas Klimas <klimas@w3group.de> - 2017-05-15 16:30 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-16 00:32 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 19:25 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-16 21:15 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 21:34 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 08:39 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 12:38 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-15 17:32 -0500
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andreas Klimas <klimas@w3group.de> - 2017-05-16 10:06 +0200
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 11:51 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 11:50 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 11:47 -0700
Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Bill Zimmerly <billzimmerly@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 20:59 -0700
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-14 12:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ofa2g3$q3v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59211 |
On 5/14/2017 2:33 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 10:44:00 AM UTC+1, Andrew Haley wrote: >> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>> Heil H. - your arrogance is beyond description. Or are you God in >>> disguise? Or just the incarnation of the devil. How do you dare to >>> set the standard about what people are proud about? You main >>> accomplishment is to piss at people and piss off people here and >>> most probably at home. >> >> Oh dear, Juergen, come on. You rise much too quickly to this >> provocation. Just think of our resident nutcase[s] as crazy drunkards >> yelling at the moon, and pass on quickly by. >> >> Andrew. > > If you see this as approved normal behaviour within your family / group / job CLF - fine. > I have been educated differently. > But responding in an angry rant won't win you any points either. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-14 11:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e14a5967-3f28-43a3-85bf-cc2477814efc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #59222 |
On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 6:04:13 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > On 5/14/2017 2:33 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > > On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 10:44:00 AM UTC+1, Andrew Haley wrote: > >> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Heil H. - your arrogance is beyond description. Or are you God in > >>> disguise? Or just the incarnation of the devil. How do you dare to > >>> set the standard about what people are proud about? You main > >>> accomplishment is to piss at people and piss off people here and > >>> most probably at home. > >> > >> Oh dear, Juergen, come on. You rise much too quickly to this > >> provocation. Just think of our resident nutcase[s] as crazy drunkards > >> yelling at the moon, and pass on quickly by. > >> > >> Andrew. > > > > If you see this as approved normal behaviour within your family / group / job CLF - fine. > > I have been educated differently. > > > > But responding in an angry rant won't win you any points either. > > -- > Cecil - k5nwa Winning Points Cecil ? - Was never the idea or target. And as you want to comment please do it in context so we all understand where to place you - or don't as many here - which I can understand as Hugh would throw shit in response: Which reaction does your education expect you to do if you are attacked aggressively and viciously? Lukewarm does not do it.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-05-14 12:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87wp9j9s85.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #59226 |
JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes: > Was never the idea or target. Well, what IS the idea or target?
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-14 14:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ofaajo$msl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59227 |
On 5/14/2017 2:02 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: > JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes: >> Was never the idea or target. > > Well, what IS the idea or target? > Most of use misbehave when young because we don't know any better but eventually we have to grow up and behave as civilized adults, some never do, that is just part of human nature. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-14 23:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e7852968-82a9-4677-bbe6-0bc104c370f0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #59227 |
On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 8:02:52 PM UTC+1, Paul Rubin wrote: > JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes: > > Was never the idea or target. > > Well, what IS the idea or target? As you can read higher up idea or target comes from elsewhere. I just react to this behaviour. Simple. Forth Killer Hugh Aquilar likes to throw shit at people - at me again - and I am old enough to decide to throw it back or not. Simple.
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-14 14:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ofaa0u$kpo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59226 |
On 5/14/2017 1:45 PM, JUERGEN wrote: > On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 6:04:13 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >> On 5/14/2017 2:33 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >>> On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 10:44:00 AM UTC+1, Andrew Haley wrote: >>>> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Heil H. - your arrogance is beyond description. Or are you God in >>>>> disguise? Or just the incarnation of the devil. How do you dare to >>>>> set the standard about what people are proud about? You main >>>>> accomplishment is to piss at people and piss off people here and >>>>> most probably at home. >>>> >>>> Oh dear, Juergen, come on. You rise much too quickly to this >>>> provocation. Just think of our resident nutcase[s] as crazy drunkards >>>> yelling at the moon, and pass on quickly by. >>>> >>>> Andrew. >>> >>> If you see this as approved normal behaviour within your family / group / job CLF - fine. >>> I have been educated differently. >>> >> >> But responding in an angry rant won't win you any points either. >> >> -- >> Cecil - k5nwa > > Winning Points Cecil ? - Was never the idea or target. > And as you want to comment please do it in context so we all understand where to place you - or don't as many here - which I can understand as Hugh would throw shit in response: > Which reaction does your education expect you to do if you are attacked aggressively and viciously? Lukewarm does not do it. > Winning point is dismissed when done as a rant, it's just part of civilized behavior to be civil when possible. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-05-14 12:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fdbcab52-a736-4539-b21d-0a527288123f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #59222 |
On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 10:04:13 AM UTC-7, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > On 5/14/2017 2:33 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > > On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 10:44:00 AM UTC+1, Andrew Haley wrote: > >> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Heil H. - your arrogance is beyond description. Or are you God in > >>> disguise? Or just the incarnation of the devil. How do you dare to > >>> set the standard about what people are proud about? You main > >>> accomplishment is to piss at people and piss off people here and > >>> most probably at home. > >> > >> Oh dear, Juergen, come on. You rise much too quickly to this > >> provocation. Just think of our resident nutcase[s] as crazy drunkards > >> yelling at the moon, and pass on quickly by. > >> > >> Andrew. > > > > If you see this as approved normal behaviour within your family / group / job CLF - fine. > > I have been educated differently. > > > > But responding in an angry rant won't win you any points either. Juergen Pintaski is an employee of MPE --- I'm not --- he's winning plenty of "points" with Stephen Pelc, and a paycheck. Way back in 2009 I complained that there was no double-precision division in ANS-Forth, which I needed for my continued-fraction program. Both Elizabeth Rather and Stephen Pelc said that I'm utterly incompetent as a Forth programmer, and that I should just go away. They want to have complete control over Forth --- anybody who doesn't brown-nose gets dismissed as utterly incompetent and not a Forth programmer at all --- it is "approved normal behavior" in all corporations to view everybody outside of the corporation as either a customer or an enemy (I was a customer of Forth Inc. because I bought SwiftForth version-2 for over $400, but I ceased to be a customer when I declined to pay the $300 upgrade to version-3 to get their bug fixes). From a legal perspective, a corporation is the same as a person. If a corporation were an actual person though, it would be a sociopath. Forth Inc. and MPE are just typical corporations. They strive continually to discredit the Forth community, which they see as competition. ANS-Forth was purposely sabotaged to make it useless. The strategy of Forth Inc. and MPE is to discredit all Forth programmers by saying that they are non-standard, because they refuse to adhere to the gross limitations of ANS-Forth --- they themselves routinely ignore the ANS-Forth standard however, because this is necessary to write non-trivial programs, and because doing so traps their customers in vendor lock-in --- they rely on bullying to make this double-standard seem legitimate. I think my STRING-STACK.4TH is pretty good Forth, and it is fully ANS-Forth compliant. Why haven't the Forth-200x committee provided something similar? Stephen Pelc, Leon Wagner, Bernd Paysan and Anton Ertl are all capable of writing Forth code like this. It is pretty good Forth, but it is just intermediate-level programming; I'm hardly the only Forther in the world who is capable of this. So, why did I have to write this in the year 2016? Why do Stephen Pelc, Leon Wagner, Bernd Paysan and Anton Ertl continue to say that PAD is the standard for string storage? Why do they continue to say that the only string-stack written is Wil Baden's, which is too inefficient to be used? The answer to all of these questions, is that the Forth-200x committee consider the Forth community to be their enemies, and they are striving to prevent Forthers from writing programs that work with strings --- they want to trap the Forth community at a level where they can only write trivial toy programs, but they can't become competitive. ANS-Forth is like a kindergarten class that you can never graduate from. Imagine a kindergarten class in which all of the students are old and gray-haired, but they continue to sit at the tiny desks writing toy programs that use PAD to hold strings. Their programs don't even have to work, because they can never graduate from the class anyway, so there is no purpose in learning anything.
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-14 14:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ofac50$1q2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59230 |
On 5/14/2017 2:25 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 10:04:13 AM UTC-7, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >> On 5/14/2017 2:33 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >>> On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 10:44:00 AM UTC+1, Andrew Haley wrote: >>>> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Heil H. - your arrogance is beyond description. Or are you God in >>>>> disguise? Or just the incarnation of the devil. How do you dare to >>>>> set the standard about what people are proud about? You main >>>>> accomplishment is to piss at people and piss off people here and >>>>> most probably at home. >>>> >>>> Oh dear, Juergen, come on. You rise much too quickly to this >>>> provocation. Just think of our resident nutcase[s] as crazy drunkards >>>> yelling at the moon, and pass on quickly by. >>>> >>>> Andrew. >>> >>> If you see this as approved normal behaviour within your family / group / job CLF - fine. >>> I have been educated differently. >>> >> >> But responding in an angry rant won't win you any points either. > > Juergen Pintaski is an employee of MPE --- I'm not --- he's winning plenty of "points" with Stephen Pelc, and a paycheck. > > Way back in 2009 I complained that there was no double-precision division in ANS-Forth, which I needed for my continued-fraction program. Both Elizabeth Rather and Stephen Pelc said that I'm utterly incompetent as a Forth programmer, and that I should just go away. They want to have complete control over Forth --- anybody who doesn't brown-nose gets dismissed as utterly incompetent and not a Forth programmer at all --- it is "approved normal behavior" in all corporations to view everybody outside of the corporation as either a customer or an enemy (I was a customer of Forth Inc. because I bought SwiftForth version-2 for over $400, but I ceased to be a customer when I declined to pay the $300 upgrade to version-3 to get their bug fixes). > > From a legal perspective, a corporation is the same as a person. If a corporation were an actual person though, it would be a sociopath. Forth Inc. and MPE are just typical corporations. They strive continually to discredit the Forth community, which they see as competition. > > ANS-Forth was purposely sabotaged to make it useless. The strategy of Forth Inc. and MPE is to discredit all Forth programmers by saying that they are non-standard, because they refuse to adhere to the gross limitations of ANS-Forth --- they themselves routinely ignore the ANS-Forth standard however, because this is necessary to write non-trivial programs, and because doing so traps their customers in vendor lock-in --- they rely on bullying to make this double-standard seem legitimate. > > I think my STRING-STACK.4TH is pretty good Forth, and it is fully ANS-Forth compliant. Why haven't the Forth-200x committee provided something similar? Stephen Pelc, Leon Wagner, Bernd Paysan and Anton Ertl are all capable of writing Forth code like this. It is pretty good Forth, but it is just intermediate-level programming; I'm hardly the only Forther in the world who is capable of this. So, why did I have to write this in the year 2016? Why do Stephen Pelc, Leon Wagner, Bernd Paysan and Anton Ertl continue to say that PAD is the standard for string storage? Why do they continue to say that the only string-stack written is Wil Baden's, which is too inefficient to be used? The answer to all of these questions, is that the Forth-200x committee consider the Forth community to be their enemies, and they are striving to prevent Forthers from writing programs that work with strings --- they want to trap the Forth community at a level where they can only write trivial toy programs, but they can't become competitive. > > ANS-Forth is like a kindergarten class that you can never graduate from. Imagine a kindergarten class in which all of the students are old and gray-haired, but they continue to sit at the tiny desks writing toy programs that use PAD to hold strings. Their programs don't even have to work, because they can never graduate from the class anyway, so there is no purpose in learning anything. > And repeating the same arguments everyday does not win over any fans either. Several times I stopped looking at this list for the non-stop arguments and hate speech from all sides of an argument. Eventually I start looking at the list again only to stop later. The same was happening in Facebook so after un-following about 5 persons the place has become civilized again. I need to find a real newsreader that can block either topics or individuals to cut down all this useless chatter. Right now I use ThunderBird but I cannot use the mail rules which are pretty powerful to control the news accounts. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 00:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <20170515002426.4817ed37@_> |
| In reply to | #59231 |
On Sun, 14 May 2017 14:48:55 -0500 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote: > Right now I use ThunderBird but I cannot use the mail rules which are > pretty powerful to control the news accounts. > Can you select all messages by a particular author and then mark then as being read? That's usually a standard feature. You should be able to delete them after selection also. Rod Pemberton -- "Well, many people are really f---ing stupid too. Should we just adopt all their standards?" - George Carlin
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 00:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ofbda5$qjo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59244 |
On 5/14/2017 11:24 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote: > On Sun, 14 May 2017 14:48:55 -0500 > Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote: > >> Right now I use ThunderBird but I cannot use the mail rules which are >> pretty powerful to control the news accounts. >> > > Can you select all messages by a particular author and then mark then > as being read? That's usually a standard feature. You should be able > to delete them after selection also. > > > Rod Pemberton > Thunderbird can setup all sorts of complex rules to sort delete, change the status and classify mail but when I set those rules for the news account the do not apply automatically like the same rules apply for mail, I have to apply them manually. I can go to the news folder call the rules option and tell them to run and it works but it's also supposed to run when messages become available. For example I can set rules to delete mail from a certain or list of individuals, I can tag them so they appear with the text color changed, move the message to a particular folder manually it works but not automatically like it does for email. I tried setting it a different way to see if it works, but I need the individuals in the rules to post a message so I can see if the rules are working. Certain rules I can't verify because the rule is to delete their message but after a while I will know its working because mail from those individuals no longer show up, but some have a color tag assigned to their messages and I will be able to spot if it working right away. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 00:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ofbdfr$raq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59244 |
On 5/14/2017 11:24 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote: > On Sun, 14 May 2017 14:48:55 -0500 > Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote: > >> Right now I use ThunderBird but I cannot use the mail rules which are >> pretty powerful to control the news accounts. >> > > Can you select all messages by a particular author and then mark then > as being read? That's usually a standard feature. You should be able > to delete them after selection also. > > > Rod Pemberton > I just made a rule about myself, to tag my post in a particular color so when I receive this post I will see if it's now working. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 00:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ofbe70$sus$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59251 |
On 5/15/2017 12:17 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > On 5/14/2017 11:24 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote: >> On Sun, 14 May 2017 14:48:55 -0500 >> Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote: >> >>> Right now I use ThunderBird but I cannot use the mail rules which are >>> pretty powerful to control the news accounts. >>> >> >> Can you select all messages by a particular author and then mark then >> as being read? That's usually a standard feature. You should be able >> to delete them after selection also. >> >> >> Rod Pemberton >> > I just made a rule about myself, to tag my post in a particular color so > when I receive this post I will see if it's now working. > Aha it works, my message showed up with green text for the subject so the filter rules are now working, just needed a different way of entering them, at least some progress is being made. For email there were two different ways to enter rules but for newsgroups only one works, that's OK. Now I can move some persons post to a special folder so I don't have to read it if I'm not in the mood, three persons are outright deleted I can think of two more that I will add because of their usual content. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 09:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ofbq4t$tlc$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59231 |
On 14/05/2017 20:48, Cecil Bayona wrote: > Right now I use ThunderBird but I cannot use the mail rules which are > pretty powerful to control the news accounts. I use Thunderbird filters to auto-delete everything from Gavino and WJ - at least until they change their name when it only takes a few seconds to extend the filters. I only see their crap when somneone is silly enough to respond to them. -- Gerry
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| From | Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 02:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ac1cb3b5-3162-4e96-a8e1-54e7fbcdeefe@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #59271 |
On Monday, 15 May 2017 09:53:59 UTC+1, Gerry wrote: > On 14/05/2017 20:48, Cecil Bayona wrote: > > Right now I use ThunderBird but I cannot use the mail rules which are > > pretty powerful to control the news accounts. > > I use Thunderbird filters to auto-delete everything from Gavino and WJ - > at least until they change their name when it only takes a few seconds > to extend the filters. I only see their crap when somneone is silly > enough to respond to them. > > -- > Gerry Heads up: Thunderbird got dropped last week by the Mozilla corporation, so its future is somewhat unclear. Why an email client needs 20 odd years of continuous development is beyond me, and apparently beyond Mozilla, who are too busy adding shinies to FireFox.
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| From | Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 00:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <20170515002415.779e1112@_> |
| In reply to | #59230 |
On Sun, 14 May 2017 12:25:14 -0700 (PDT) hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: I know this was just part of another rant by Hugh, but I like to point out the logical faults. > From a legal perspective, a corporation is the same as a person. ... is *almost* the same ... A corporation can have it's charter and business license revoked. I.e., it has no right to life. A corporation has no religious freedom. I.e., it can't use religious beliefs of owners and employees as a reason to not partake in commerce - which is the legal purpose of a business - or to disobey laws, e.g., conscientious objector. A corporation can't spend any time in jail. So, all legal judgments become financial penalties. A corporation can own (and use) restricted weapons rather easily. A corporation can create mortgages, other financial contracts, and charge high rates of interest. etc. > If a corporation were an actual person though, it would be a > sociopath. A corporation is operated by people. If a corporation is a sociopath, that implies those who operate it are also. Are you saying all those people are sociopaths? Rod Pemberton -- "Well, many people are really f---ing stupid too. Should we just adopt all their standards?" - George Carlin
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| From | Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 09:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ofbq3d$tlc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59230 |
On 14/05/2017 20:25, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: > ANS-Forth was purposely sabotaged to make it useless. In the unlikely event of that being the case, ISTM that the saboteurs were incompetent. e.g. > I think my STRING-STACK.4TH is pretty good Forth, and it is fully > ANS-Forth compliant. Why haven't the Forth-200x committee provided > something similar? Why should they? It's not the job of a standards committee to write libraries. It could be argued that they should specify the words such a library should contain but imagine the howls of outrage from you and HAA that would cause. Being on a standards committee is a thankless task and I, for one, am grateful for the time they spend on the task even if I don't always like the result. I am reminded of a statement in a Standard Pascal book: " ... is fed up with people who complain about the wording of the draft, and expect him or someone else to find a solution for them to criticise next time" -- Gerry
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| From | Andreas Klimas <klimas@w3group.de> |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 16:31 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ofcdt6$21m$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59270 |
On 2017-05-15 08:53:13 +0000, Gerry Jackson said: > On 14/05/2017 20:25, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: >> ANS-Forth was purposely sabotaged to make it useless. > > In the unlikely event of that being the case, ISTM that the saboteurs > were incompetent. e.g. > > > I think my STRING-STACK.4TH is pretty good Forth, and it is fully > > ANS-Forth compliant. Why haven't the Forth-200x committee provided > > something similar? > > Why should they? It's not the job of a standards committee to write > libraries. It could be argued that they should specify the words such a > library should contain but imagine the howls of outrage from you and > HAA that would cause. Being on a standards committee is a thankless > task and I, for one, am grateful for the time they spend on the task > even if I don't always like the result. I am reminded of a statement in > a Standard Pascal book: " ... is fed up with people who complain about > the wording of the draft, and expect him or someone else to find a > solution for them to criticise next time" I agree to Gerry
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 11:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7b644d41-0df3-4f19-b7f7-7f5705afd90e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #59270 |
On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 1:53:12 AM UTC-7, Gerry wrote: > On 14/05/2017 20:25, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: > > ANS-Forth was purposely sabotaged to make it useless. > > In the unlikely event of that being the case, ISTM that the saboteurs > were incompetent. e.g. That sounds like an argument for ignoring ANS-Forth --- it was written by incompetents --- press the flush lever! > > I think my STRING-STACK.4TH is pretty good Forth, and it is fully > > ANS-Forth compliant. Why haven't the Forth-200x committee provided > > something similar? > > Why should they? It's not the job of a standards committee to write > libraries. It could be argued that they should specify the words such a > library should contain but imagine the howls of outrage from you and HAA > that would cause. I didn't say that they should declare their string-stack to be the standard. I don't want them to declare anything to be standard at this time because I have no intention at this time of being their follower --- they have never earned my respect, or made any effort to do so --- they really need to start out as my peer, and then work their way up, not just declare themselves to be the rulers of the world by fiat. What I am saying, is that if they are going to describe themselves as leaders of the Forth community, they should first write useful Forth code-libraries --- this would be a good start toward gaining the respect of Forthers such as myself --- this is actually the only way to gain credence as leaders. I am extremely offended by Elizabeth Rather who declares herself to be the "leading expert" of Forth, while her entire Forth coding experience involves copying code snippets from the "Starting Forth" book, and teaching a novice-class in which PAD is described as the standard way to store strings. She doesn't actually know what a code-library is (she thinks this involves cut-and-paste from old programs in a "back pocket") --- I have no respect for Elizabeth Rather whatsoever --- her contribution to Forth has been purely negative. If Elizabeth Rather had gotten the job at Testra writing the development system for the MiniForth processor, she would have likely out-sourced the work to Stephen Pelc because she had no programmers working at Forth Inc. in 1994 (this is why Forth Inc. didn't write a reference compiler for ANS-Forth prior to getting their ANS-Forth document rubber-stamped by ANSI in 1994). Would Stephen Pelc have succeeded? I don't think so! Stephen Pelc has admitted on comp.lang.forth that he doesn't know how to write a cross-compiler: On Tuesday, December 8, 2009 at 3:18:13 PM UTC-7, Stephen Pelc wrote: > There are three types of compilation involved > 1) Host compilation > 2) Clone compilation (target CPU same as host and memory matches) > 3) Cross compilation (target CPU is not host CPU) > > In the third case you have to simulate *everything* when dealing > with both the definition and execution of defining words. It's not > easy. You also have to extend the normal Forth compiler by at least > two time frames. Forth cross compilers are much more complicated > and much more subtle than they appear to be. > > That's one reason why the cross compiler proposal is the way it is. > The big downside of the proposal is that the original was written in > a hurry to satisfy EuroPay. It also reflects the state of Forth cross > compiler design of about 15 years ago. I have prototyped a design > for which the current proposal is inappropriate. Simulating the MiniForth on the host computer at compile-time would not have worked. I guarantee that if I had told Testra that this was my plan for MFX, they would have fired me on the spot --- describing cross-compilers as "complicated and subtle" with a lot of hand-waving is not the best way to inspire confidence --- I mean, there is a reason why Testra hired me to write MFX, rather than Stephen Pelc. > Being on a standards committee is a thankless task and > I, for one, am grateful for the time they spend on the task even if I > don't always like the result. I am reminded of a statement in a Standard > Pascal book: " ... is fed up with people who complain about the wording > of the draft, and expect him or someone else to find a solution for them > to criticise next time" If they are fed up with getting no respect, they could just spend less time braying about how they are the rulers of the world --- this would free up about 12 hours per day --- they could put this time to good use by writing code-libraries in Forth that are useful, so that they would gradually gain respect. Writing code-libraries does take time --- this fact I know from experience! --- you know it too!
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| From | Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 15:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <be558a06-c3fa-44f7-a4bc-c07bc0887af5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #59320 |
On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 3:43:37 AM UTC+9, hughag...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 1:53:12 AM UTC-7, Gerry wrote: > > On 14/05/2017 20:25, hughaguilar96@somewhere wrote: > > > ANS-Forth was purposely sabotaged to make it useless. > > > > In the unlikely event of that being the case, ISTM that the saboteurs > > were incompetent. e.g. > > That sounds like an argument for ignoring ANS-Forth --- it was written by incompetents --- press the flush lever! > > [...] Well, incompetence is the common lot of all of us humans. Committees tend to become a semi-random summation of the members' competences and incompetences. If the resulting sum is useful to us, we can use it. If not, we can ignore it. If it would almost be useful, but, ... ... we can join the commitee or become contributers or a gadflies. (Gadflies are not completely useless either, although they aren't necessarily pleasant.) For my part, personally, I've found that being an occasional contributor and occasional gadfly allows me more time to pursue my own projects. -- Joel Rees Ranting randomly on ransomware and related topics: http://reiisi.blogspot.com/2017/05/do-not-pay-modern-danegeld-ransomware.html
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-05-15 20:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <06ca7691-26f4-4b2f-9cc2-0c38bb95a6df@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #59336 |
On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 3:47:53 PM UTC-7, Joel Rees wrote: > On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 3:43:37 AM UTC+9, hughag...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 1:53:12 AM UTC-7, Gerry wrote: > > > On 14/05/2017 20:25, hughaguilar96@somewhere wrote: > > > > ANS-Forth was purposely sabotaged to make it useless. > > > > > > In the unlikely event of that being the case, ISTM that the saboteurs > > > were incompetent. e.g. > > > > That sounds like an argument for ignoring ANS-Forth --- it was written by incompetents --- press the flush lever! > > > > [...] > > Well, incompetence is the common lot of all of us humans. True enough! This doesn't actually bother me --- what primarily bothers me is the "leading expert" claim --- that is just hubris, and I won't accept my implied status as a follower.
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