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  A Forth pet? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 11:22 -0700
    A Forth pet? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 11:27 -0700
    Re: A Forth pet? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-23 11:51 -0700
    Re: A Forth pet? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 12:07 -0700
      Re: A Forth pet? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-23 13:28 -0700
        Re: A Forth pet? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 14:03 -0700
          Re: A Forth pet? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-23 19:05 -0700
            Re: A Forth pet? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 03:36 -0700
              Re: A Forth pet? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 04:46 -0700
        Re: A Forth pet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 17:16 -0400
          Re: A Forth pet? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 15:10 -0700
            Re: A Forth pet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 21:42 -0400
      Re: A Forth pet? Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2017-04-25 13:41 +0200
    Re: A Forth pet? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 19:49 -0700
    Re: A Forth pet? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-04-24 08:33 +0200
      Re: A Forth pet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 02:51 -0400
      Re: A Forth pet? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 02:39 -0700
        Re: A Forth pet? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-04-24 11:54 +0200
      Re: A Forth pet? Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 13:09 +0200
        Re: A Forth pet? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 04:25 -0700
          Re: A Forth pet? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 10:55 -0500
            Re: A Forth pet? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 09:02 -0700
              Re: A Forth pet? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 11:12 -0500
              Re: A Forth pet? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 09:19 -0700
                Re: A Forth pet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 13:11 -0400
                  Re: A Forth pet? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 15:15 -0700
    Re: A Forth pet? The Beez <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 00:41 -0700
      Re: A Forth pet? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-04-25 21:11 +1000
    Re: A Forth pet? Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> - 2017-04-24 17:19 +0100
    Re: A Forth pet? pbjtech@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 21:29 -0700
    Re: A Forth pet? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 03:24 -0700
      Re: A Forth pet? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 05:47 -0700
        Re: A Forth pet? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 08:57 -0700
          Re: A Forth pet? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 10:25 -0700
            Re: A Forth pet? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 10:51 -0700
            Re: A Forth pet? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 14:01 -0400
            Re: A Forth pet? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-27 13:04 -0500
              Re: A Forth pet? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:59 -0700
                Re: A Forth pet? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-27 14:20 -0500
                  Re: A Forth pet? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 01:19 -0700
            Re: A Forth pet? jim.brakefield@ieee.org - 2017-04-28 18:27 -0700
    Re: A Forth pet? Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-04-28 18:58 -0400
      Re: A Forth pet? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-28 19:06 -0500
      Re: A Forth pet? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 20:09 -0700
        Re: A Forth pet? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-28 23:47 -0700
      Re: A Forth pet? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 00:38 -0700
        Re: A Forth pet? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-29 06:03 -0700
          Re: A Forth pet? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 07:36 -0700
            Re: A Forth pet? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-29 07:49 -0700
            Re: A Forth pet? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 08:49 -0700
              Re: A Forth pet? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 09:07 -0700
      Re: A Forth pet? Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2017-05-02 13:52 +0200
        Re: A Forth pet? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-05-02 05:44 -0700

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#57997

On 4/24/2017 6:25 AM, lehs wrote:
> Den måndag 24 april 2017 kl. 13:09:29 UTC+2 skrev Coos Haak:
>> Op Mon, 24 Apr 2017 08:33:13 +0200 schreef Lars Brinkhoff:
>>
>>>> What could be a nice symbol of Forth? A lot of modern languages has
>>>> some kind of symbol, why not Forth?
>>>
>>> Swap, the dragon.
>>>
>>> https://www.forth-ev.de/staticpages/images/Drachenpreis/swap-portrait.gif
>>
>> I have one in my window. Got it from Willem Ouwerkerk some years ago.
>>
>> groet Coos
> 
> I would like something like this:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tbl4ox41y65onqc/4th-logo.gif?dl=0
> 

Requires a login, thanks but no, everybody wants information on the 
users, enough is enough

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#57998

Here is the same oic on GitHub:

https://github.com/Lehs/ANS-Forth-libraries/blob/f2f29e1f47ddc61076003d3838c291c4a4c5243a/4th-logo.gif

You don't have to login on DropBox either. You can deny and see the file anyway. But you are right anyway...

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#58000

On 4/24/2017 11:02 AM, lehs wrote:
> Here is the same oic on GitHub:
> 
> https://github.com/Lehs/ANS-Forth-libraries/blob/f2f29e1f47ddc61076003d3838c291c4a4c5243a/4th-logo.gif
> 
> You don't have to login on DropBox either. You can deny and see the file anyway. But you are right anyway...
> 
Thanks, a cranky two headed dragon, not a bad logo.

I'm so sick of data mining that I've started using a browser, that 
prevents information on who and where I am, or been. Its nine to go to 
Facebook and not get bombarded with add of things I've looked at.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#58002

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 9:02:23 AM UTC-7, lehs wrote:
> Here is the same oic on GitHub:
> 
> https://github.com/Lehs/ANS-Forth-libraries/blob/f2f29e1f47ddc61076003d3838c291c4a4c5243a/4th-logo.gif
> 
> You don't have to login on DropBox either. You can deny and see the file anyway. But you are right anyway...

Instead of the box with the "4" in it, have a stack of blins --- I think it is worthwhile to have something Russian in the picture --- Russian Forthers out-number everybody else put together.

What exactly is the point of having a mascot anyway? Is this another effort to tell the world that all Forth programmers are totally united behind their "leading expert" Elizabeth Rather? If this is true, then the Russians are going to be offended by the use of a Russian icon (blins) because this implies that the Russians are all brown-nosers of Elizabeth Rather --- my experience with the Russians is that they don't consider Forth Inc. and MPE to be their masters --- they are doing their own thing over there.

I think we should go back to the bear --- this is because bears are not sociable animals --- they are not like wolves that hunt in packs nor like ungulates that travel in herds, but they are solitary.

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#58009

On 4/24/2017 12:19 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I think we should go back to the bear --- this is because bears are
> not sociable animals --- they are not like wolves that hunt in packs
> nor like ungulates that travel in herds, but they are solitary.

They also kill their young.  What sort of image are you trying to project?

Aren't dragons solitary enough for you?

-- 

Rick C

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#58029

понедельник, 24 апреля 2017 г., 20:11:42 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал:
> On 4/24/2017 12:19 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I think we should go back to the bear --- this is because bears are
> > not sociable animals --- they are not like wolves that hunt in packs
> > nor like ungulates that travel in herds, but they are solitary.
> 
> They also kill their young.  What sort of image are you trying to project?
> 
> Aren't dragons solitary enough for you?

There is another Russian symbol - Zmey Gorynych (don't try to pronounce - 'Fire Snake'). A three-headed flying fire-breathing dragon. If bear will ride this dragon, bear's head will be FOURTH :D  

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#57973

On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 8:22:48 PM UTC+2, lehs wrote:
> What could be a nice symbol of Forth? A lot of modern languages has some kind of symbol, why not Forth? 
> A robot is perhaps what's come first into mind... What about a nice looking robot with a rose in it's mouth?

No, no, no no. It's an opossum:
- Has lots of antiquated features, that other mammals have discarded years ago;
- Is still able to thrive in modern world;
- Small and fast;
- Easily frightened and subsequently plays dead.

Hans Bezemer

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#58083

The Beez wrote:
> On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 8:22:48 PM UTC+2, lehs wrote:
> > What could be a nice symbol of Forth? A lot of modern languages has some kind of
> > symbol, why not Forth?
> > A robot is perhaps what's come first into mind... What about a nice looking robot
> > with a rose in it's mouth?
>
> No, no, no no. It's an opossum:
> - Has lots of antiquated features, that other mammals have discarded years ago;
> - Is still able to thrive in modern world;
> - Small and fast;
> - Easily frightened and subsequently plays dead.
>
> Hans Bezemer

Sounds like Forth - a protected species that makes itself at home in yours,
increases in number, stops you from sleeping and refuses to leave.

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#58001

On 23/04/2017 19:22, lehs wrote:
> What could be a nice symbol of Forth? A lot of modern languages has some kind of symbol, why not Forth?
> A robot is perhaps what's come first into mind... What about a nice looking robot with a rose in it's mouth?

A page and a monarch.

Cheers
-- 
Clive

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#58057

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 4:22:48 AM UTC+10, lehs wrote:
> What could be a nice symbol of Forth? A lot of modern languages has some kind of symbol, why not Forth? 
> A robot is perhaps what's come first into mind... What about a nice looking robot with a rose in it's mouth?

I use an X-wing fighter logo with "Use the Forth" caption
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t28rno7fz9vnnrn/useforthlogo-s.png?dl=0

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#58254

On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 9:22:48 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
> What could be a nice symbol of Forth? A lot of modern languages has some kind of symbol, why not Forth? 
> A robot is perhaps what's come first into mind... What about a nice looking robot with a rose in it's mouth?


A four-eyed snail with no shell, but a turbine instead ? :-)

Have a nice day,
hum9

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#58259

Den torsdag 27 april 2017 kl. 12:24:13 UTC+2 skrev humptydumpty:
> On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 9:22:48 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
> > What could be a nice symbol of Forth? A lot of modern languages has some kind of symbol, why not Forth? 
> > A robot is perhaps what's come first into mind... What about a nice looking robot with a rose in it's mouth?
> 
> 
> A four-eyed snail with no shell, but a turbine instead ? :-)
> 
> Have a nice day,
> hum9

It would be nice to see a sketch of that.

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#58273

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 3:47:18 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
> Den torsdag 27 april 2017 kl. 12:24:13 UTC+2 skrev humptydumpty:
> > On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 9:22:48 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
> > > What could be a nice symbol of Forth? A lot of modern languages has some kind of symbol, why not Forth? 
> > > A robot is perhaps what's come first into mind... What about a nice looking robot with a rose in it's mouth?
> > 
> > 
> > A four-eyed snail with no shell, but a turbine instead ? :-)
> > 
> > Have a nice day,
> > hum9
> 
> It would be nice to see a sketch of that.

See a prototype here :)
http://file-post.net/en/fp9/d1/1493307794_313446743_120/?id=7LPFoGQPWrfS

:-))

--
hum9

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#58278

Den torsdag 27 april 2017 kl. 17:57:38 UTC+2 skrev humptydumpty:
> On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 3:47:18 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
> > Den torsdag 27 april 2017 kl. 12:24:13 UTC+2 skrev humptydumpty:
> > > On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 9:22:48 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
> > > > What could be a nice symbol of Forth? A lot of modern languages has some kind of symbol, why not Forth? 
> > > > A robot is perhaps what's come first into mind... What about a nice looking robot with a rose in it's mouth?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > A four-eyed snail with no shell, but a turbine instead ? :-)
> > > 
> > > Have a nice day,
> > > hum9
> > 
> > It would be nice to see a sketch of that.
> 
> See a prototype here :)
> http://file-post.net/en/fp9/d1/1493307794_313446743_120/?id=7LPFoGQPWrfS
> 
> :-))
> 
> --
> hum9

I though you ment something like this:

https://github.com/Lehs/ANS-Forth-libraries/blob/master/turbosnail.gif

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#58280

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 8:25:10 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
> Den torsdag 27 april 2017 kl. 17:57:38 UTC+2 skrev humptydumpty:
> > On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 3:47:18 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
> > > Den torsdag 27 april 2017 kl. 12:24:13 UTC+2 skrev humptydumpty:
> > > > On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 9:22:48 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
> > > > > What could be a nice symbol of Forth? A lot of modern languages has some kind of symbol, why not Forth? 
> > > > > A robot is perhaps what's come first into mind... What about a nice looking robot with a rose in it's mouth?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > A four-eyed snail with no shell, but a turbine instead ? :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Have a nice day,
> > > > hum9
> > > 
> > > It would be nice to see a sketch of that.
> > 
> > See a prototype here :)
> > http://file-post.net/en/fp9/d1/1493307794_313446743_120/?id=7LPFoGQPWrfS
> > 
> > :-))
> > 
> > --
> > hum9
> 
> I though you ment something like this:
> 
> https://github.com/Lehs/ANS-Forth-libraries/blob/master/turbosnail.gif

More an air-cushioned vehicle, a hovercraft like.
Apparently a snail, a hovercraft in disguise! :-))

--
hum9

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#58281

On 4/27/2017 1:25 PM, lehs wrote:
> Den torsdag 27 april 2017 kl. 17:57:38 UTC+2 skrev humptydumpty:
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 3:47:18 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
>>> Den torsdag 27 april 2017 kl. 12:24:13 UTC+2 skrev humptydumpty:
>>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 9:22:48 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
>>>>> What could be a nice symbol of Forth? A lot of modern languages has some kind of symbol, why not Forth?
>>>>> A robot is perhaps what's come first into mind... What about a nice looking robot with a rose in it's mouth?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A four-eyed snail with no shell, but a turbine instead ? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Have a nice day,
>>>> hum9
>>>
>>> It would be nice to see a sketch of that.
>>
>> See a prototype here :)
>> http://file-post.net/en/fp9/d1/1493307794_313446743_120/?id=7LPFoGQPWrfS
>>
>> :-))
>>
>> --
>> hum9
>
> I though you ment something like this:
>
> https://github.com/Lehs/ANS-Forth-libraries/blob/master/turbosnail.gif

Is a snail really the sort of image to project for a computer language?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_(film)

Is being the fastest snail a goal to be pursued by anyone but a snail?

-- 

Rick C

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#58282

On 4/27/2017 12:25 PM, lehs wrote:
> Den torsdag 27 april 2017 kl. 17:57:38 UTC+2 skrev humptydumpty:
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 3:47:18 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
>>> Den torsdag 27 april 2017 kl. 12:24:13 UTC+2 skrev humptydumpty:
>>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 9:22:48 PM UTC+3, lehs wrote:
>>>>> What could be a nice symbol of Forth? A lot of modern languages has some kind of symbol, why not Forth?
>>>>> A robot is perhaps what's come first into mind... What about a nice looking robot with a rose in it's mouth?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A four-eyed snail with no shell, but a turbine instead ? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Have a nice day,
>>>> hum9
>>>
>>> It would be nice to see a sketch of that.
>>
>> See a prototype here :)
>> http://file-post.net/en/fp9/d1/1493307794_313446743_120/?id=7LPFoGQPWrfS
>>
>> :-))
>>
>> --
>> hum9
> 
> I though you ment something like this:
> 
> https://github.com/Lehs/ANS-Forth-libraries/blob/master/turbosnail.gif
> 
Nice

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#58283

It's just a combination of Google pictures. Ment to show the idea.

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#58284

On 4/27/2017 1:59 PM, lehs wrote:
> It's just a combination of Google pictures. Ment to show the idea.
> 
Not 100% sure that a snail would be a welcomed symbol by most because 
that it usually represent something slow. In truth Forth even at it's 
slowest was not that slow.

One attribute not appreciated is the improved speed in developing 
software, a combination of bottom up coding and testing and it's 
philosophy of having small words well tested used to build an 
application vocabulary, That philosophy is the jet engine.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#58298

Den torsdag 27 april 2017 kl. 21:20:15 UTC+2 skrev Cecil - k5nwa:
> On 4/27/2017 1:59 PM, lehs wrote:
> > It's just a combination of Google pictures. Ment to show the idea.
> > 
> Not 100% sure that a snail would be a welcomed symbol by most because 
> that it usually represent something slow. In truth Forth even at it's 
> slowest was not that slow.
> 
> One attribute not appreciated is the improved speed in developing 
> software, a combination of bottom up coding and testing and it's 
> philosophy of having small words well tested used to build an 
> application vocabulary, That philosophy is the jet engine.
> 
> -- 
> Cecil - k5nwa

A snail is the real challenge, I agree, but a mascot don't have to be excessively clear.

About the UNIX Tux:

Tux was originally designed as a submission for a Linux logo contest. Three such competitions took place; Tux won none of them. This is why Tux is formally known as the Linux mascot and not the logo.[6] Tux was created[7] by Larry Ewing using the first publicly released[8] version (0.54) of GIMP, a free software graphics package.
...
According to Jeff Ayers, Linus Torvalds had a "fixation for flightless, fat waterfowl" and Torvalds claims to have contracted "penguinitis" after being gently nibbled by a penguin: "Penguinitis makes you stay awake at nights just thinking about penguins and feeling great love towards them."[10] Torvalds' supposed illness is a joke, but he really was bitten by a little penguin on a visit to the National Zoo & Aquarium, Canberra, Australia.[11] Torvalds was looking for something fun and sympathetic to associate with Linux, and a slightly fat penguin sitting down after having had a great meal perfectly fit the bill.[12]

In an interview Linus commented on the penguin bite:

I've been to Australia several times, these days mostly for Linux.Conf.Au. But my first trip—and the one when I was bitten by a ferocious fairy penguin: you really should keep those things locked up!—was in 93 or so, talking about Linux for the Australian Unix Users Group.[13] (Wikipedia)

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