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| Started by | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| First post | 2017-04-21 00:49 -0700 |
| Last post | 2017-04-26 01:38 -0400 |
| Articles | 15 on this page of 195 — 20 participants |
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Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-21 00:49 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 01:17 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-21 01:47 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 18:55 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> - 2017-04-22 19:48 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-22 14:50 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 00:23 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-23 11:13 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 16:14 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-23 19:34 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 21:52 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-23 21:59 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 02:20 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 04:04 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 13:40 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 14:41 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 18:22 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 15:28 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 18:44 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 19:34 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 16:41 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 20:36 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 04:44 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 12:41 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 10:03 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 12:20 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 14:12 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 15:13 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 16:59 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 14:35 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 17:19 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 15:36 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 01:26 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 11:21 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 09:50 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 12:37 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 14:11 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 13:51 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 15:14 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 14:15 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 11:34 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 11:38 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 11:39 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 14:00 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 15:15 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 12:27 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 16:04 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 13:36 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 17:03 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 12:42 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 12:55 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 15:16 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 14:22 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 15:51 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 13:27 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 13:19 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 11:38 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 13:59 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 12:36 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 14:49 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 14:29 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 16:30 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 15:57 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 17:11 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 14:12 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 17:38 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 16:41 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 15:11 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 17:32 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 03:33 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 11:33 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 14:05 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 17:24 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 14:51 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 18:29 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 16:18 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 21:07 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 01:52 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 02:10 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 02:22 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:10 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:25 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:08 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-27 16:14 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-27 16:17 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:46 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-27 14:07 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 17:58 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-26 20:34 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 01:07 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-27 21:21 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-28 08:54 +0000
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-28 10:46 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-27 10:46 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-04-27 12:05 +0200
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:50 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-04-28 11:23 +0200
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started john <anon@example.com> - 2017-04-27 11:43 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:57 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:21 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:58 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-28 07:53 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-28 22:31 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 20:14 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-30 16:08 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-29 13:48 +0000
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 10:45 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-27 15:49 +0000
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-29 00:27 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 20:28 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-29 14:15 +0000
Stack processor address regs . was Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-05-01 13:45 +0100
Re: Stack processor address regs . was Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-02 13:15 +0000
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started jim.brakefield@ieee.org - 2017-04-28 18:20 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 13:00 +0200
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-29 11:47 +0000
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 15:02 +0200
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started jim.brakefield@ieee.org - 2017-04-30 18:32 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-26 20:40 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 01:21 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-26 21:14 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 02:17 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 05:05 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started john <anon@example.com> - 2017-04-27 13:35 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 05:42 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-27 14:00 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 06:04 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-27 15:31 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 12:26 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 08:04 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started john <anon@example.com> - 2017-04-27 10:30 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 12:32 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started john <anon@example.com> - 2017-04-28 12:01 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-26 21:34 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 01:26 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-27 21:25 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 02:50 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 00:23 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-28 07:46 +0000
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 02:25 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 05:35 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2017-04-28 14:55 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 13:58 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-26 04:11 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-25 19:54 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 14:32 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-25 23:25 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 14:40 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 14:27 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 20:35 -0400
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-24 06:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <551fd29a-c5ec-4c29-9e2b-a798a3adb3e5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #57986 |
On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 12:16:09 PM UTC+1, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > понедельник, 24 апреля 2017 г., 9:43:37 UTC+3 пользователь JUERGEN написал: > > On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 8:17:19 PM UTC+1, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > > воскресенье, 23 апреля 2017 г., 21:24:14 UTC+3 пользователь JUERGEN написал: > > > > On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 2:38:17 PM UTC+1, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > > > > воскресенье, 23 апреля 2017 г., 15:06:42 UTC+3 пользователь JUERGEN написал: > > > > > > On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 9:28:34 PM UTC+1, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > > > > > > пятница, 21 апреля 2017 г., 10:49:46 UTC+3 пользователь JUERGEN написал: > > > > > > > > see https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071D3XMPS and https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/projects:ep32:start The core is running eForth on my desk in a low cost Lattice DevBoard and there has been an ASIC implementation in the past already as google told me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like for many soft-core CPU, I see here a lack of system level modelling. Some solutions looks strange and no clear idea for programmer or system designer is stated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ilya, could you please point me to another better IP alternative, 32 bit, well documented at a price of $25 ( or even less? ). And with a Forth that runs on it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean 25$ for ASIC, suitable FPGA or core license? > > > > > > > > > > And yes, 32 bit only? What about scalability to 64, 128? And maybe C support as well? :) > > > > > > > > There is an EP8, an EP16, the EP32 talked about here and as well an EP64. An alternative to EP32 would be of interest - scalable is a possibility - but from my side the additional Forth and running in a low cost FPGA Board is more important. I assume though, that 16 Bit might be the biggest market. > > > > Best would be a processor, where each Forth Word is VHDL, or as many as possible but I assume this is asked too much, but for the sake of it I assume it has been done - until the FPGA is full ... > > > > > > Near 2005 my team occasionally switch to my Forth-CPU for almost all projects. This happens because FPGA is cheaper than MCU+FPGA and Forth CPU is easy to use compared with Xilinx Microblaze. Of course, I cannot run Linux, but for most task in low-cost FPGA Forth is perfect. > > > > > > I count generations of 'mainstream' Forth CPUs. 5th gen is actual for now with 20+ projects completed. Here is hardware supported commands, you can see it is just a VHDL snippet. > > > > > > constant cmdNOP : integer := 0; > > > > > > constant cmdNOT : integer := 1; > > > constant cmdFETCH : integer := 2; > > > constant cmdSHL : integer := 3; > > > constant cmdSHR : integer := 4; > > > constant cmdSHRA : integer := 5; > > > constant cmdINPORT : integer := 6; > > > > > > constant cmdSWAP : integer := 7; > > > > > > constant cmdDUP : integer := 8; > > > constant cmdOVER : integer := 9; > > > constant cmdFROMR : integer := 10; > > > constant cmdLOOP : integer := 11; > > > constant cmdSYSREG : integer := 12; > > > > > > constant cmdPLUS : integer := 13; > > > constant cmdMINUS : integer := 14; > > > constant cmdAND : integer := 15; > > > constant cmdOR : integer := 16; > > > constant cmdXOR : integer := 17; > > > constant cmdEQUAL : integer := 18; > > > constant cmdLESSER : integer := 19; > > > constant cmdGREATER : integer := 20; > > > constant cmdMULT : integer := 21; > > > > > > constant cmdDROP : integer := 22; > > > constant cmdJMP : integer := 23; > > > constant cmdCALL : integer := 24; > > > constant cmdRJMP : integer := 25; > > > constant cmdTOR : integer := 26; > > > > > > constant cmdSTORE : integer := 27; > > > constant cmdDO : integer := 28; > > > > > > constant cmdRIF : integer := 29; > > > constant cmdUNTIL : integer := 30; > > > > > > constant cmdRET : integer := 31; > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > > > For my latest core (7th gen) goto for some pictures to > > > http://fforum.winglion.ru/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3104 > > > > > > From the 5th gen all cores are scalable by datawidth, so 8, 16, 32 or 64 (or 24 if you want) will not break schematic. > > > > > > I don't need 25$ FPGA for this, lowest cost Spartan-6LX4 (10$) is enough, with a half of space for user peripheral. > > > > Thanks Ilya. For me the easy core availability is important. From Ting you can buy the complete VHDL plus the eForth documentation for $25 - the Brevia or other is separate. We just used the Brevia as it is relatively low cost and a lot of external memory. > > What in comparison is the price of your VHDL and documentation in English - or is your product only for internal usage for your projects? > > I'm not too optimistic about this business model. From my point of view, I can spend a lot of time explaining why I did a certain part by certain way. I suppose this is a reason why Xilinx don't provide sources for Microblaze CPU. Many aspects of FPGA RTL coding are not so clear and trade-offs should be made. However, some users want to 'optimize' Microblaze, even if their optimization is worse from system view. > > I see the same situation with Forth and Forth CPU. Many peoples ask me for opening my Quark Forth sources. When I ask them 'why do you want it?', they telling me stories about optimization, promotion by team, ANS compatibility etc. - but not about their projects. It is better to explain them how to write and optimized Forth and continue to live with it. Similarly, I prefer to provide a methodology of custom CPU design rather than just throwing a large portion of VHDL to Internet and waiting for followers. > > If you have, say, Avnet Microboard or other popular Xilinx board, I can generate a bitstream for you. Now I can see prices for Xilinx are half with comparable logic density. If you have a project, I prefer to give you bitstream for free and see what happens. 25$ is not a money I'm worried about :) Ilya, I am promoting Forth - for example with the Bookshelf see https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM ; after Forth SW I published the 1802 system, and more recently EP32. I do not do Custom projects - would send the to the companies that do these projects professionally like Westwood Rock or others. The do A The RTX2010 still seems to be the best Forth CPU - completely predictable behaviour. If I interpret your answers, you are working like a consultancy as well. I will come back when there is a project needing such a CPU you have. Which Forth are you using with it?
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-24 14:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <378bfaaf-33a5-4965-82f3-0ed6920bca50@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #57989 |
понедельник, 24 апреля 2017 г., 16:18:55 UTC+3 пользователь JUERGEN написал: > Ilya, I am promoting Forth - for example with the Bookshelf see https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM ; after Forth SW I published the 1802 system, and more recently EP32. > I do not do Custom projects - would send the to the companies that do these projects professionally like Westwood Rock or others. The do A > The RTX2010 still seems to be the best Forth CPU - completely predictable behaviour. > If I interpret your answers, you are working like a consultancy as well. I will come back when there is a project needing such a CPU you have. Which Forth are you using with it? We usually provide early estimation of projects based on Xilinx FPGA. We also has our own products and prefer to use Forth-processors inside. Consultancy is possible of course. My base Forth is Quark-Forth. I target applications with floating point, 3D graphics (for modelling) and some cross-compilation. Other Forth may be used, of course.
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-24 17:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <odlscr$gu1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58022 |
On 4/24/2017 4:28 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > понедельник, 24 апреля 2017 г., 16:18:55 UTC+3 пользователь JUERGEN написал: > >> Ilya, I am promoting Forth - for example with the Bookshelf see https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM ; after Forth SW I published the 1802 system, and more recently EP32. >> I do not do Custom projects - would send the to the companies that do these projects professionally like Westwood Rock or others. The do A >> The RTX2010 still seems to be the best Forth CPU - completely predictable behaviour. >> If I interpret your answers, you are working like a consultancy as well. I will come back when there is a project needing such a CPU you have. Which Forth are you using with it? > > We usually provide early estimation of projects based on Xilinx FPGA. We also has our own products and prefer to use Forth-processors inside. Consultancy is possible of course. My base Forth is Quark-Forth. I target applications with floating point, 3D graphics (for modelling) and some cross-compilation. Other Forth may be used, of course. > There is only one site for Quak-Forth and my anti-virus thinks its a site with Malware, I went to it anyway and its in Russian but the second I clicked on a link, it informed me that it was disinfecting my PC due to Malware. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-24 15:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <74b7ea6e-5b40-4f52-a69c-f11e3611c71f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58026 |
вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 1:00:59 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: > On 4/24/2017 4:28 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > понедельник, 24 апреля 2017 г., 16:18:55 UTC+3 пользователь JUERGEN написал: > > > >> Ilya, I am promoting Forth - for example with the Bookshelf see https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM ; after Forth SW I published the 1802 system, and more recently EP32. > >> I do not do Custom projects - would send the to the companies that do these projects professionally like Westwood Rock or others. The do A > >> The RTX2010 still seems to be the best Forth CPU - completely predictable behaviour. > >> If I interpret your answers, you are working like a consultancy as well. I will come back when there is a project needing such a CPU you have. Which Forth are you using with it? > > > > We usually provide early estimation of projects based on Xilinx FPGA. We also has our own products and prefer to use Forth-processors inside. Consultancy is possible of course. My base Forth is Quark-Forth. I target applications with floating point, 3D graphics (for modelling) and some cross-compilation. Other Forth may be used, of course. > > > There is only one site for Quak-Forth and my anti-virus thinks its a > site with Malware, I went to it anyway and its in Russian but the second > I clicked on a link, it informed me that it was disinfecting my PC due > to Malware. I know :( I'm not alone who meets this problem. We suppose this is because of words like EXECUTE, jumping to unknown address. Usually I got antivirus message right after compiling Quark with Fasm :) If you was at www.msyst.ru , this is definitely correct archive.
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-24 17:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <odlusm$ra0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58028 |
On 4/24/2017 5:10 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 1:00:59 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: >> There is only one site for Quak-Forth and my anti-virus thinks its a >> site with Malware, I went to it anyway and its in Russian but the second >> I clicked on a link, it informed me that it was disinfecting my PC due >> to Malware. > > I know :( I'm not alone who meets this problem. We suppose this is because of words like EXECUTE, jumping to unknown address. Usually I got antivirus message right after compiling Quark with Fasm :) If you was at www.msyst.ru , this is definitely correct archive. > Yes, that is the site, quite a few Forth are flagged by Anti-Virus software as Malware when they are not. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-24 16:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cad2b7b1-7f03-41d3-9327-765f3b931e36@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58034 |
вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 1:43:34 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: > On 4/24/2017 5:10 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 1:00:59 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: > > >> There is only one site for Quak-Forth and my anti-virus thinks its a > >> site with Malware, I went to it anyway and its in Russian but the second > >> I clicked on a link, it informed me that it was disinfecting my PC due > >> to Malware. > > > > I know :( I'm not alone who meets this problem. We suppose this is because of words like EXECUTE, jumping to unknown address. Usually I got antivirus message right after compiling Quark with Fasm :) If you was at www.msyst.ru , this is definitely correct archive. > > > Yes, that is the site, quite a few Forth are flagged by Anti-Virus > software as Malware when they are not. I can rebuild Quark from source and send you immediately. With hangouts, for example.
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-24 21:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <odmbcj$j4u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58037 |
On 4/24/2017 6:40 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 1:43:34 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: >> On 4/24/2017 5:10 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >>> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 1:00:59 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: >> >>>> There is only one site for Quak-Forth and my anti-virus thinks its a >>>> site with Malware, I went to it anyway and its in Russian but the second >>>> I clicked on a link, it informed me that it was disinfecting my PC due >>>> to Malware. >>> >>> I know :( I'm not alone who meets this problem. We suppose this is because of words like EXECUTE, jumping to unknown address. Usually I got antivirus message right after compiling Quark with Fasm :) If you was at www.msyst.ru , this is definitely correct archive. >>> >> Yes, that is the site, quite a few Forth are flagged by Anti-Virus >> software as Malware when they are not. > > I can rebuild Quark from source and send you immediately. With hangouts, for example. > Thanks for the offer, is there any documentation in English? Is the source available? The site is in Russian but my browser would not translate it so it was interesting translating line by line, not very practical, I'll have to try a different browser and see if it translated the whole page. In any case I gathered it has characters, 32 bit integers, and floats, I found a PDF manual but again it was in Russian which is natural for you but rather useless for me so without documentation I wonder how could I use it. I'm trying to write my own Forth and I will need to look at the settings for the Go compiler as an int is 64 bits by default, it is cranking out code for a 64 bit CPU which is what the host machine is. Its going to be a Windows Forth for the first iteration so it doesn't hurt much of anything as my desktops have a minimum of 16 GB of RAM. It might become a problem when generating code for a target machine, I have not though much about it presently. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 09:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <acceae5d-32f0-4352-a5ef-e0a6896a75bb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58048 |
вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 5:16:52 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: > On 4/24/2017 6:40 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 1:43:34 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: > >> On 4/24/2017 5:10 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > >>> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 1:00:59 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: > >> > >>>> There is only one site for Quak-Forth and my anti-virus thinks its a > >>>> site with Malware, I went to it anyway and its in Russian but the second > >>>> I clicked on a link, it informed me that it was disinfecting my PC due > >>>> to Malware. > >>> > >>> I know :( I'm not alone who meets this problem. We suppose this is because of words like EXECUTE, jumping to unknown address. Usually I got antivirus message right after compiling Quark with Fasm :) If you was at www.msyst.ru , this is definitely correct archive. > >>> > >> Yes, that is the site, quite a few Forth are flagged by Anti-Virus > >> software as Malware when they are not. > > > > I can rebuild Quark from source and send you immediately. With hangouts, for example. > > > Thanks for the offer, is there any documentation in English? Is the > source available? > > The site is in Russian but my browser would not translate it so it was > interesting translating line by line, not very practical, I'll have to > try a different browser and see if it translated the whole page. > > In any case I gathered it has characters, 32 bit integers, and floats, I > found a PDF manual but again it was in Russian which is natural for you > but rather useless for me so without documentation I wonder how could I > use it. > > I'm trying to write my own Forth and I will need to look at the settings > for the Go compiler as an int is 64 bits by default, it is cranking out > code for a 64 bit CPU which is what the host machine is. Its going to be > a Windows Forth for the first iteration so it doesn't hurt much of > anything as my desktops have a minimum of 16 GB of RAM. It might become > a problem when generating code for a target machine, I have not though > much about it presently. This is not a simple question about translating. I can read English free enough, but writing is harder (common problem for Russians). If you need certain question to be solved, jut write me. For me. It is very interesting for me how to setup a Forth system for other team or user. I can help you via mail or chat as long as you need it. Maybe in this case we will find most critical things to translate.
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 12:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <odo0fj$k11$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58099 |
On 4/25/2017 11:42 AM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 5:16:52 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: >> On 4/24/2017 6:40 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >>> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 1:43:34 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: >>>> On 4/24/2017 5:10 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >>>>> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 1:00:59 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: >>>> >>>>>> There is only one site for Quak-Forth and my anti-virus thinks its a >>>>>> site with Malware, I went to it anyway and its in Russian but the second >>>>>> I clicked on a link, it informed me that it was disinfecting my PC due >>>>>> to Malware. >>>>> >>>>> I know :( I'm not alone who meets this problem. We suppose this is because of words like EXECUTE, jumping to unknown address. Usually I got antivirus message right after compiling Quark with Fasm :) If you was at www.msyst.ru , this is definitely correct archive. >>>>> >>>> Yes, that is the site, quite a few Forth are flagged by Anti-Virus >>>> software as Malware when they are not. >>> >>> I can rebuild Quark from source and send you immediately. With hangouts, for example. >>> >> Thanks for the offer, is there any documentation in English? Is the >> source available? >> >> The site is in Russian but my browser would not translate it so it was >> interesting translating line by line, not very practical, I'll have to >> try a different browser and see if it translated the whole page. >> >> In any case I gathered it has characters, 32 bit integers, and floats, I >> found a PDF manual but again it was in Russian which is natural for you >> but rather useless for me so without documentation I wonder how could I >> use it. >> >> I'm trying to write my own Forth and I will need to look at the settings >> for the Go compiler as an int is 64 bits by default, it is cranking out >> code for a 64 bit CPU which is what the host machine is. Its going to be >> a Windows Forth for the first iteration so it doesn't hurt much of >> anything as my desktops have a minimum of 16 GB of RAM. It might become >> a problem when generating code for a target machine, I have not though >> much about it presently. > > This is not a simple question about translating. I can read English free enough, but writing is harder (common problem for Russians). If you need certain question to be solved, jut write me. For me. It is very interesting for me how to setup a Forth system for other team or user. I can help you via mail or chat as long as you need it. Maybe in this case we will find most critical things to translate. > Thanks any assistance is welcomed, here is basically what I'm trying to do' I would like to work and learn to use FPGAs to design simple Stack Processors but before I begin on that project I need development software that is easy to modify so I can adapt it to the instruction of the FPGA CPU. A FPGA CPU without development software is not very useful so currently I'm writing my own Forth that is simple, and based on eForth. I've started working on a Forth Virtual Machine based on C although most likely I will take a detour and first create it in the Go language as a learning exercise to learn Go which I plan to use for other projects. In any case the goal is to have Forth software that is easy to modify. I am flexible on the approach so the use of a decent Forth compiler that is easy to understand will also work instead of C or Go. Right now in C I have most of the VM done and I'm close to do final testing with it but its pretty simple so if I start from scratch with something else it not a big problem. Forth would be ideal but if I use a Forth compiler it needs to be simple to understand and modify, be efficient so it should generate machine code or at least be Direct Threaded, and have source available so I can feel confident about putting many hours to make it all work and be able to be on my own if something happens to the developers of the Forth. Right now I been using eForth a rather simple version of Forth that is easy to understand and I have source for various forms of it. I doesn't generate machine code it's a direct and indirect threaded form of Forth I have both versions so there is room for improvement there but still it's easy to work with. But I'm always keeping an eye out for a better tool, the Windows version I have of eForth has a flaw in that it does not work reliably with Windows 10, all my PCs use Windows 10 X64, I had a Windows 7 PC but it has been converted to Windows 10 recently. So I want to learn about your Forth, it's features, is source available, how simple is it so it's understandable? -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-24 14:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <odlfuf$4mt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57986 |
On 4/24/2017 7:16 AM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > If you have, say, Avnet Microboard or other popular Xilinx board, I can generate a bitstream for you. Now I can see prices for Xilinx are half with comparable logic density. If you have a project, I prefer to give you bitstream for free and see what happens. 25$ is not a money I'm worried about :) Do you have documentation for using your cores? I can't see plugging a bitstream into an FPGA without having some form that can be compiled with my code. Using an FPGA for a CPU without being able to add to that FPGA is not any improvement over a standalone CPU. MCU/CPUs are highly optimized and provide very good platforms for running Forth. The purpose of rolling a CPU into an FPGA is to add to that design to fully utilize the FPGA as an FPGA. -- Rick C
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-24 15:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bf86945a-3d34-476c-879c-0e82704c2986@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58013 |
понедельник, 24 апреля 2017 г., 21:28:31 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал: > On 4/24/2017 7:16 AM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > > > If you have, say, Avnet Microboard or other popular Xilinx board, I can generate a bitstream for you. Now I can see prices for Xilinx are half with comparable logic density. If you have a project, I prefer to give you bitstream for free and see what happens. 25$ is not a money I'm worried about :) > > Do you have documentation for using your cores? I can't see plugging a > bitstream into an FPGA without having some form that can be compiled > with my code. Using an FPGA for a CPU without being able to add to that > FPGA is not any improvement over a standalone CPU. MCU/CPUs are highly > optimized and provide very good platforms for running Forth. The > purpose of rolling a CPU into an FPGA is to add to that design to fully > utilize the FPGA as an FPGA. All cores has UART for programming, embedded directly into core. USB-UART converters are common now, so having USB port is enough. For final production you need sorce texts, of course. We have all sources, our customers don't ask for recompiling. It was enough so far.
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 15:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <532c0e32-7a8c-4ef7-ad01-81196b51f9b9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #57986 |
On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 4:16:09 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > понедельник, 24 апреля 2017 г., 9:43:37 UTC+3 пользователь JUERGEN написал: > > Thanks Ilya. For me the easy core availability is important. From Ting you can buy the complete VHDL plus the eForth documentation for $25 - the Brevia or other is separate. We just used the Brevia as it is relatively low cost and a lot of external memory. > > What in comparison is the price of your VHDL and documentation in English - or is your product only for internal usage for your projects? > > I'm not too optimistic about this business model. From my point of view, I can spend a lot of time explaining why I did a certain part by certain way. I suppose this is a reason why Xilinx don't provide sources for Microblaze CPU. Many aspects of FPGA RTL coding are not so clear and trade-offs should be made. However, some users want to 'optimize' Microblaze, even if their optimization is worse from system view. > > I see the same situation with Forth and Forth CPU. Many peoples ask me for opening my Quark Forth sources. When I ask them 'why do you want it?', they telling me stories about optimization, promotion by team, ANS compatibility etc. - but not about their projects. It is better to explain them how to write and optimized Forth and continue to live with it. Similarly, I prefer to provide a methodology of custom CPU design rather than just throwing a large portion of VHDL to Internet and waiting for followers. > > If you have, say, Avnet Microboard or other popular Xilinx board, I can generate a bitstream for you. Now I can see prices for Xilinx are half with comparable logic density. If you have a project, I prefer to give you bitstream for free and see what happens. 25$ is not a money I'm worried about :) My Stundurd processor is just a toy. The RACE is a professional system, but it is also proprietary to Testra. I think that Forth popularity would be helped considerably if there was a Forth processor available, and the HDL code was in the public-domain so anybody could make FPGA chips for it, and experimenter boards were available at low-cost so anybody could play with it. I designed the Stundurd for this purpose. Unfortunately, there are very few people who know HDL, and none of them are altruistic. The HDL writer wouldn't have to be entirely altruistic. It is possible that, if the processor becomes popular, people will want custom versions that have hardware support for specific application needs. Certainly, the guy who originally wrote the basic HDL would be the obvious choice to hire for writing the customization. The basic HDL would be in the public-domain however, so other HDL writers could also get hired. This "business model" is compatible with Richard Stallman's ideal in which software (in this case HDL) is a service, not a product. An argument against all of this, is that customization is not needed at all, and hence an FPGA is not needed. Proponents of this argument (Raimond Dragomir, for example) say that it is possible to buy off-the-shelf processors based on the ARM that have any I/O configuration that anybody could possibly want, and there are ARM versions ranging from the very small low-cost low-power micro-controllers to the very big systems that can run Linux and are more powerful than desktop-computers of only a few years ago. An argument against the Stundurd in particular, is that it is 16-bit and doesn't compete well against the 32-bit ARM except possibly in very tiny systems --- but hobbyists aren't interested in very tiny systems because they are building onesies and twosies --- very tiny systems are mostly for mass-production products in which every penny counts. Another argument against the Stundurd is that it doesn't necessarily compete well against 16-bit processors such as the MSP-430 and PIC24 --- I don't know if this is true or not --- somebody who knows HDL would have to comment on whether the Stundurd would be able to run Forth code faster than an MSP-430 and PIC24 can (the Stundurd machine-code should be much smaller, because I specifically designed it so the 8-bit opcodes would be much more commonly used than the 16-bit opcodes). The Stundurd actually competes more against the AVR than the MSP-430 and PIC24 --- but the AVR is pretty much obsolete --- so I could be solving a non-problem.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 20:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <odoqbd$9en$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58158 |
On 4/25/2017 6:39 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 4:16:09 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >> понедельник, 24 апреля 2017 г., 9:43:37 UTC+3 пользователь JUERGEN >> написал: >>> Thanks Ilya. For me the easy core availability is important. From >>> Ting you can buy the complete VHDL plus the eForth documentation >>> for $25 - the Brevia or other is separate. We just used the >>> Brevia as it is relatively low cost and a lot of external >>> memory. What in comparison is the price of your VHDL and >>> documentation in English - or is your product only for internal >>> usage for your projects? >> >> I'm not too optimistic about this business model. From my point of >> view, I can spend a lot of time explaining why I did a certain part >> by certain way. I suppose this is a reason why Xilinx don't provide >> sources for Microblaze CPU. Many aspects of FPGA RTL coding are not >> so clear and trade-offs should be made. However, some users want to >> 'optimize' Microblaze, even if their optimization is worse from >> system view. >> >> I see the same situation with Forth and Forth CPU. Many peoples ask >> me for opening my Quark Forth sources. When I ask them 'why do you >> want it?', they telling me stories about optimization, promotion by >> team, ANS compatibility etc. - but not about their projects. It is >> better to explain them how to write and optimized Forth and >> continue to live with it. Similarly, I prefer to provide a >> methodology of custom CPU design rather than just throwing a large >> portion of VHDL to Internet and waiting for followers. >> >> If you have, say, Avnet Microboard or other popular Xilinx board, I >> can generate a bitstream for you. Now I can see prices for Xilinx >> are half with comparable logic density. If you have a project, I >> prefer to give you bitstream for free and see what happens. 25$ is >> not a money I'm worried about :) > > My Stundurd processor is just a toy. The RACE is a professional > system, but it is also proprietary to Testra. > > I think that Forth popularity would be helped considerably if there > was a Forth processor available, and the HDL code was in the > public-domain so anybody could make FPGA chips for it, and > experimenter boards were available at low-cost so anybody could play > with it. There are a plethora of HDL stack processors available. The J1 is complete with tools and is published under the MIT license which I believe is just as good as public domain for most purposes and the tools are published under the LGPL. Is that not what you meant? > I designed the Stundurd for this purpose. Unfortunately, > there are very few people who know HDL, and none of them are > altruistic. I for one would work with you if you would can the crap. No one is going to work with you if you rant about the evil Forth overlords all day. > The HDL writer wouldn't have to be entirely altruistic. It is > possible that, if the processor becomes popular, people will want > custom versions that have hardware support for specific application > needs. Certainly, the guy who originally wrote the basic HDL would be > the obvious choice to hire for writing the customization. The basic > HDL would be in the public-domain however, so other HDL writers could > also get hired. This "business model" is compatible with Richard > Stallman's ideal in which software (in this case HDL) is a service, > not a product. > > An argument against all of this, is that customization is not needed > at all, and hence an FPGA is not needed. Proponents of this argument > (Raimond Dragomir, for example) say that it is possible to buy > off-the-shelf processors based on the ARM that have any I/O > configuration that anybody could possibly want, and there are ARM > versions ranging from the very small low-cost low-power > micro-controllers to the very big systems that can run Linux and are > more powerful than desktop-computers of only a few years ago. Off the shelf CPUs that "have any I/O configuration that anybody could possibly want" is a fallacy. I made a bundle of money on a custom board design for a major networking company which used an FPGA simply because one and later a second interface could not be supported with a commercial CPU chip. The board is very small, so it was difficult to pick an FPGA of any size that didn't require fine pitch BGA packaging. I would have much preferred to use an MCU which would have fit the board much better, but there was no way to support the interfaces. > An argument against the Stundurd in particular, is that it is 16-bit > and doesn't compete well against the 32-bit ARM except possibly in > very tiny systems --- but hobbyists aren't interested in very tiny > systems because they are building onesies and twosies --- very tiny > systems are mostly for mass-production products in which every penny > counts. There is little reason why a stack processor can't be designed to be data path width agnostic. Besides, a 16 bit processor will do many embedded jobs quite well. It doesn't have to be the end all, be all processor as that is not possible. Better to be flexible and allow variants to support different applications. Even ARM is now supporting 64 bit versions. > Another argument against the Stundurd is that it doesn't necessarily > compete well against 16-bit processors such as the MSP-430 and PIC24 > --- I don't know if this is true or not --- somebody who knows HDL > would have to comment on whether the Stundurd would be able to run > Forth code faster than an MSP-430 and PIC24 can (the Stundurd > machine-code should be much smaller, because I specifically designed > it so the 8-bit opcodes would be much more commonly used than the > 16-bit opcodes). Is the speed of a processor the ultimate goal? From what I have seen of your intended design it is a bit complex when looked at from a hardware perspective. But I have certainly not studied it in any detail. I would want to look at a diagram of the data paths and control points. That is the perspective needed to judge it for hardware utility. > The Stundurd actually competes more against the AVR than the MSP-430 > and PIC24 --- but the AVR is pretty much obsolete --- so I could be > solving a non-problem. What are the differences in all these processors that you see as important? -- Rick C
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 22:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d53eceed-7fa6-402b-95c1-abb0292b1dcc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58166 |
On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 5:44:29 PM UTC-7, rickman wrote: > On 4/25/2017 6:39 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: > > I think that Forth popularity would be helped considerably if there > > was a Forth processor available, and the HDL code was in the > > public-domain so anybody could make FPGA chips for it, and > > experimenter boards were available at low-cost so anybody could play > > with it. ... > > I designed the Stundurd for this purpose. > I for one would work with you if you would can the crap. No one is > going to work with you if you rant about the evil Forth overlords all day. This is what I said previously (after Rick Collins threatened to burn down Ilya Tarasov's house): On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 1:36:27 PM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 1:04:08 PM UTC-7, rickman wrote: > > On 4/25/2017 3:27 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > I can really do without Rickman and his threats --- he has been on my twit list for quite some time --- I don't have anything to do with him. > > > > That is the highest praise anyone can receive from Hugh. I feel honored. > > And yet, you don't leave me alone... > > You said this previously (talking about me, afaik): > "He doesn't bother me so much as others. But I realize I have been > feeding him again. It's just that he's so *cute* when you give him a > cookie and he does the little dance." But, wait! Now Rick Collins says that he would be willing to work with me!!! Gosh, give me a few seconds to wipe away the tears --- it turns out that I am loved on comp.lang.forth after all! --- how wonderful for me! But, wait! What if Rickman is just giving me a cookie in the hope that I will do a little dance for him? Could it be that he is going to pull the rug out from under me? He could call me "insane" or threaten to burn down my house, and then my fragile self-esteem will be crushed. I will do a little dance while crying: "But, but, I thought we were friends! Sob!" Maybe it would be best if Rick Collins should just stay on my twit list forever...
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-26 01:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <odpbid$9u8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58169 |
On 4/26/2017 1:25 AM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: <<<... insane ranting snipped ...>>> > > But, wait! Now Rick Collins says that he would be willing to work with me!!! I didn't say I would work with you. I said I would work with you if ***if you would can the crap***. But we all know that will never happen. At least it won't happen until you consult a mental health expert. -- Rick C
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