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| Started by | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| First post | 2017-04-21 00:49 -0700 |
| Last post | 2017-04-26 01:38 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 195 — 20 participants |
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Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-21 00:49 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 01:17 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-21 01:47 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 18:55 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Clive Arthur <cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> - 2017-04-22 19:48 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-22 14:50 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 00:23 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-23 11:13 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 16:14 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-23 19:34 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 21:52 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-23 21:59 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 02:20 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 04:04 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 13:40 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 14:41 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 18:22 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 15:28 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 18:44 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 19:34 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 16:41 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 20:36 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 04:44 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 12:41 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 10:03 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 12:20 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 14:12 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 15:13 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 16:59 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 14:35 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 17:19 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 15:36 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 01:26 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 11:21 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 09:50 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 12:37 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 14:11 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 13:51 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 15:14 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 14:15 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 11:34 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 11:38 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 11:39 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 14:00 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 15:15 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 12:27 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 16:04 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 13:36 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 17:03 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 12:42 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 12:55 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 15:16 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 14:22 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 15:51 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 13:27 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 13:19 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 11:38 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 13:59 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 12:36 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 14:49 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 14:29 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 16:30 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 15:57 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 17:11 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 14:12 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 17:38 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 16:41 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 15:11 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 17:32 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 03:33 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 11:33 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 14:05 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 17:24 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 14:51 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 18:29 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 16:18 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 21:07 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 01:52 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 02:10 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 02:22 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:10 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:25 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:08 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-27 16:14 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-27 16:17 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:46 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-27 14:07 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 17:58 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-26 20:34 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 01:07 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-27 21:21 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-28 08:54 +0000
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-28 10:46 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-27 10:46 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-04-27 12:05 +0200
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:50 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-04-28 11:23 +0200
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started john <anon@example.com> - 2017-04-27 11:43 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:57 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:21 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:58 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-28 07:53 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-28 22:31 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 20:14 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-30 16:08 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-29 13:48 +0000
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 10:45 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-27 15:49 +0000
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-29 00:27 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 20:28 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-29 14:15 +0000
Stack processor address regs . was Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-05-01 13:45 +0100
Re: Stack processor address regs . was Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-02 13:15 +0000
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started jim.brakefield@ieee.org - 2017-04-28 18:20 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 13:00 +0200
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-29 11:47 +0000
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 15:02 +0200
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started jim.brakefield@ieee.org - 2017-04-30 18:32 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-26 20:40 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 01:21 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-26 21:14 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 02:17 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 05:05 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started john <anon@example.com> - 2017-04-27 13:35 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 05:42 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-27 14:00 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 06:04 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-27 15:31 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 12:26 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 08:04 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started john <anon@example.com> - 2017-04-27 10:30 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 12:32 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started john <anon@example.com> - 2017-04-28 12:01 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-26 21:34 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 01:26 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-27 21:25 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 02:50 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 00:23 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-28 07:46 +0000
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 02:25 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 05:35 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2017-04-28 14:55 -0400
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-25 13:58 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-26 04:11 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-25 19:54 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 14:32 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-25 23:25 +0100
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 14:40 -0500
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 14:27 -0700
Re: Ting's EP32 32 Bit Processor IP with eForth eBook is available now and the Project page started rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 20:35 -0400
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 11:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f57d6aa4-d3a9-4955-8f42-ba00550b7b0c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58111 |
вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:15:46 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал: > On 4/25/2017 1:37 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > > > > I have books on both languages so I will think about it for a month or > > two before I have to make a decision. > > Oh yeah, if you do decide to use VHDL I don't ever want to see you use > > if (clk'event and clk '1') > if rising_edge(clk)
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 11:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <13cc2595-ee7e-43c4-8e0a-de966ed3653d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58115 |
On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 11:34:45 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:15:46 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал: > > On 4/25/2017 1:37 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > > > > > > I have books on both languages so I will think about it for a month or > > > two before I have to make a decision. > > > > Oh yeah, if you do decide to use VHDL I don't ever want to see you use > > > > if (clk'event and clk '1') > > > > if rising_edge(clk) Rickman has threatened to burn your house down --- aren't you scared? --- good thing you are in Russia, rather than in Rickman's city which is presumably here in the "Land of the Free."
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 11:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <670ab3e5-5f62-49a4-a265-866ce2954787@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58116 |
вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:38:05 UTC+3 пользователь hughag...@gmail.com написал: > On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 11:34:45 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:15:46 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал: > > > On 4/25/2017 1:37 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > > > > > > > > I have books on both languages so I will think about it for a month or > > > > two before I have to make a decision. > > > > > > Oh yeah, if you do decide to use VHDL I don't ever want to see you use > > > > > > if (clk'event and clk '1') > > > > > > > if rising_edge(clk) > > Rickman has threatened to burn your house down --- aren't you scared? --- good thing you are in Russia, rather than in Rickman's city which is presumably here in the "Land of the Free." Checking my abilities to defend myself, it is better to Rickman to not to try make me scared :D
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 14:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <odo673$8gh$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58118 |
On 4/25/2017 1:39 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:38:05 UTC+3 пользователь hughag...@gmail.com написал: >> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 11:34:45 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >>> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:15:46 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал: >>>> On 4/25/2017 1:37 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have books on both languages so I will think about it for a month or >>>>> two before I have to make a decision. >>>> >>>> Oh yeah, if you do decide to use VHDL I don't ever want to see you use >>>> >>>> if (clk'event and clk '1') >>>> >>> >>> if rising_edge(clk) >> >> Rickman has threatened to burn your house down --- aren't you scared? --- good thing you are in Russia, rather than in Rickman's city which is presumably here in the "Land of the Free." > > Checking my abilities to defend myself, it is better to Rickman to not to try make me scared :D > A Kalashnikov is a wonderful equalizer, it can solve difficult problems quite effectively. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 15:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <odo72l$btn$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58123 |
On 4/25/2017 3:00 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > On 4/25/2017 1:39 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:38:05 UTC+3 пользователь >> hughag...@gmail.com написал: >>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 11:34:45 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >>>> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:15:46 UTC+3 пользователь rickman >>>> написал: >>>>> On 4/25/2017 1:37 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have books on both languages so I will think about it for a >>>>>> month or >>>>>> two before I have to make a decision. >>>>> >>>>> Oh yeah, if you do decide to use VHDL I don't ever want to see you use >>>>> >>>>> if (clk'event and clk '1') >>>>> >>>> >>>> if rising_edge(clk) >>> >>> Rickman has threatened to burn your house down --- aren't you scared? >>> --- good thing you are in Russia, rather than in Rickman's city which >>> is presumably here in the "Land of the Free." >> >> Checking my abilities to defend myself, it is better to Rickman to not >> to try make me scared :D >> > A Kalashnikov is a wonderful equalizer, it can solve difficult problems > quite effectively. It doesn't work very well against web based attacks. -- Rick C
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 12:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d813f0ee-eafe-4087-a594-d22ecc181c94@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58126 |
On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 12:15:33 PM UTC-7, rickman wrote: > On 4/25/2017 3:00 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > > On 4/25/2017 1:39 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > >> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:38:05 UTC+3 пользователь > >> hughag...@gmail.com написал: > >>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 11:34:45 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > >>>> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:15:46 UTC+3 пользователь rickman > >>>> написал: > >>>>> On 4/25/2017 1:37 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have books on both languages so I will think about it for a > >>>>>> month or > >>>>>> two before I have to make a decision. > >>>>> > >>>>> Oh yeah, if you do decide to use VHDL I don't ever want to see you use > >>>>> > >>>>> if (clk'event and clk '1') > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> if rising_edge(clk) > >>> > >>> Rickman has threatened to burn your house down --- aren't you scared? > >>> --- good thing you are in Russia, rather than in Rickman's city which > >>> is presumably here in the "Land of the Free." > >> > >> Checking my abilities to defend myself, it is better to Rickman to not > >> to try make me scared :D > >> > > A Kalashnikov is a wonderful equalizer, it can solve difficult problems > > quite effectively. > > It doesn't work very well against web based attacks. I can really do without Rickman and his threats --- he has been on my twit list for quite some time --- I don't have anything to do with him. I don't really know enough about HDL to have an opinion on the endless VHDL-vs-Verilog debate. The vibe I'm picking up though, is that Ilya knows a lot about the subject, and that Rickman is is full of beans --- certainly Rickman knows nothing about Forth software, which is a subject that I do have an opinion on --- this is not to say that I agree with everything Ilya says in regard to Forth software, although I do consider his opinion to be worthy of discussion.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 16:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <odo9to$m6i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58127 |
On 4/25/2017 3:27 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: > > I can really do without Rickman and his threats --- he has been on my twit list for quite some time --- I don't have anything to do with him. That is the highest praise anyone can receive from Hugh. I feel honored. > I don't really know enough about HDL to have an opinion Good that you recognize that. Too bad you can't recognize some of the poor thought processes you seem to praise in others. Figuring out which tool is better to learn is a personal decision, which should be clear just from the fact that so many continue to pick different tools even after years of consideration. There is no "right" choice in Verilog vs. VHDL (unless you are Bernd Paysan). Each of us have our own styles and preferences. -- Rick C
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 13:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3cdd7822-bab9-48d2-b30d-7bc56d4a77ba@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58135 |
On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 1:04:08 PM UTC-7, rickman wrote: > On 4/25/2017 3:27 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: > > > > I can really do without Rickman and his threats --- he has been on my twit list for quite some time --- I don't have anything to do with him. > > That is the highest praise anyone can receive from Hugh. I feel honored. And yet, you don't leave me alone... You said this previously (talking about me, afaik): "He doesn't bother me so much as others. But I realize I have been feeding him again. It's just that he's so *cute* when you give him a cookie and he does the little dance." No matter what I do, you always contradict it and explain that I'm stupid to have said do. All the ANS-Forth trolls are like this. If I use a self-balancing binary-tree (as I did in ASSOCIATION.4TH) then everybody says that a hash-table is better and that I'm stupid to have used a self-balancing binary-tree. Better for what? This criticism would only make sense if I were working for them and programming to their specifications, but I'm not (or, if I am, the paychecks seem to have gotten lost in the mail). I have no doubt that if I implemented a hash-table the ANS-Forth trolls would say that a self-balancing binary-tree is better and that I'm stupid to have used a hash-table. These internet forums are cheap entertainment for twits --- they just contradict everybody with idiotic arguments, or they call people "insane," hoping to get a response --- they give the programmer a cookie to induce him to do a little dance for their entertainment. I'm not a troll though --- I write ANS-Forth code that works --- I'm pretty much the only person on this forum who does this. Elizabeth Rather is a twit magnet. She only cares about loyalty, so she attracts twits to herself --- they tell her that she is the "leading expert" of Forth --- in exchange, she gives them a haven where they can play their troll games without any criticism for their loathsome behavior from the committee (Anton Ertl, Stephen Pelc, Peter Knaggs, Leon Wagner, Andrew Haley, etc.).
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 17:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ododdo$2qk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58139 |
On 4/25/2017 4:36 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 1:04:08 PM UTC-7, rickman wrote: >> On 4/25/2017 3:27 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> I can really do without Rickman and his threats --- he has been >>> on my twit list for quite some time --- I don't have anything to >>> do with him. >> >> That is the highest praise anyone can receive from Hugh. I feel >> honored. > > And yet, you don't leave me alone... LOL!!! This is the Internet where you don't have to read a single word I write!!! Just ignore me. Killfile me. When you see my name on a post delete it without opening!!! You are just too funny sometimes. > You said this previously (talking about me, afaik): "He doesn't > bother me so much as others. But I realize I have been feeding him > again. It's just that he's so *cute* when you give him a cookie and > he does the little dance." Yeah, we should both ignore each other, but sometimes what you say is so wrong and it's hard to let people be wrong on the Internet. > No matter what I do, you always contradict it and explain that I'm > stupid to have said do. I may have used the S word at some point, but I don't think so. Certainly I have said I think you know a lot about Forth. I just think you have a number of prejudices that make your thinking a bit erratic and sometimes your psychotic tendencies make it very hard for anyone to talk to you. My GOD! you can go on rants that mimic the Unibomber. > All the ANS-Forth trolls are like this. If I > use a self-balancing binary-tree <<...ranting snipped...> > > I'm not a troll though --- I write ANS-Forth code that works Writing code doesn't preclude you from being a troll. I think you much prefer to talk about things other than Forth or you wouldn't do it so much. <<...more ranting snipped...>> -- Rick C
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 12:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c9659782-9af9-4cf8-a928-c38569538f61@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58123 |
вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 22:00:52 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: > On 4/25/2017 1:39 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:38:05 UTC+3 пользователь hughag...@gmail.com написал: > >> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 11:34:45 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > >>> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:15:46 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал: > >>>> On 4/25/2017 1:37 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I have books on both languages so I will think about it for a month or > >>>>> two before I have to make a decision. > >>>> > >>>> Oh yeah, if you do decide to use VHDL I don't ever want to see you use > >>>> > >>>> if (clk'event and clk '1') > >>>> > >>> > >>> if rising_edge(clk) > >> > >> Rickman has threatened to burn your house down --- aren't you scared? --- good thing you are in Russia, rather than in Rickman's city which is presumably here in the "Land of the Free." > > > > Checking my abilities to defend myself, it is better to Rickman to not to try make me scared :D > > > A Kalashnikov is a wonderful equalizer, it can solve difficult problems > quite effectively. Of course! I still remember Soviet school with lessons how to disassemble AK-74. After getting 50 out of 50 in shooting gallery I almost lost interest to that things. Jian sword is pretty well weapon too. :))
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 12:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <40d0f2f7-fbb6-4d61-bf44-e28046295406@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58123 |
On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 12:00:52 PM UTC-7, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > On 4/25/2017 1:39 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:38:05 UTC+3 пользователь hughag...@gmail.com написал: > >> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 11:34:45 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > >>> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:15:46 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал: > >>>> On 4/25/2017 1:37 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I have books on both languages so I will think about it for a month or > >>>>> two before I have to make a decision. > >>>> > >>>> Oh yeah, if you do decide to use VHDL I don't ever want to see you use > >>>> > >>>> if (clk'event and clk '1') > >>>> > >>> > >>> if rising_edge(clk) > >> > >> Rickman has threatened to burn your house down --- aren't you scared? --- good thing you are in Russia, rather than in Rickman's city which is presumably here in the "Land of the Free." > > > > Checking my abilities to defend myself, it is better to Rickman to not to try make me scared :D > > > A Kalashnikov is a wonderful equalizer, it can solve difficult problems > quite effectively. > > -- > Cecil - k5nwa At the risk of sounding like a total American chauvinist, let me note that American carbines are of far higher quality than Russian carbines. During WWII, there were two competing designs for rifles for the Russian army --- one design provided good accuracy but was expensive to manufacture, and the other design provided poor accuracy but was inexpensive to manufacture. Stalin famously said: "Quantity has a quality of its own." He wanted to get as many rifles in the field as possible, without regard to accuracy --- he wanted a line of soldiers to fire on the enemy continuously and hopefully hit something by luck, or at least scare the pee out of them. Similarly, the katyusha provides quantity rather than quality --- ironically, the Chechen's used the katyusha quite effectively against the Soviets --- this works well against an opponent who wants to fight a static war with a well-defined front-line. Similarly, when I play Go, if my situation is bad, I try to create complication to confuse my opponent and awe the spectators. This works quite well half of the time (the other half of the time I confuse myself and amuse the spectators). Nowadays, the AK-47 is primarily used in Africa. The reason is that most of the soldiers are malnourished, and eyesight is the first thing that is affected by malnourishment --- they can't see beyond 100 yards --- they wouldn't be able to make use of a carbine that is accurate to 100 yards, but there are a lot of them, so: "Quantity has a quality of its own."
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 15:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <fc559dcb-25da-36ac-e8ff-694bf435f3d5@cbayona.com> |
| In reply to | #58134 |
On 4/25/2017 2:55 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 12:00:52 PM UTC-7, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >> On 4/25/2017 1:39 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >>> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:38:05 UTC+3 пользователь hughag...@gmail.com написал: >>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 11:34:45 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >>>>> вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:15:46 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал: >>>>>> On 4/25/2017 1:37 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have books on both languages so I will think about it for a month or >>>>>>> two before I have to make a decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh yeah, if you do decide to use VHDL I don't ever want to see you use >>>>>> >>>>>> if (clk'event and clk '1') >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> if rising_edge(clk) >>>> >>>> Rickman has threatened to burn your house down --- aren't you scared? --- good thing you are in Russia, rather than in Rickman's city which is presumably here in the "Land of the Free." >>> >>> Checking my abilities to defend myself, it is better to Rickman to not to try make me scared :D >>> >> A Kalashnikov is a wonderful equalizer, it can solve difficult problems >> quite effectively. >> >> -- >> Cecil - k5nwa > > At the risk of sounding like a total American chauvinist, let me note that American carbines are of far higher quality than Russian carbines. > > During WWII, there were two competing designs for rifles for the Russian army --- one design provided good accuracy but was expensive to manufacture, and the other design provided poor accuracy but was inexpensive to manufacture. Stalin famously said: "Quantity has a quality of its own." He wanted to get as many rifles in the field as possible, without regard to accuracy --- he wanted a line of soldiers to fire on the enemy continuously and hopefully hit something by luck, or at least scare the pee out of them. Similarly, the katyusha provides quantity rather than quality --- ironically, the Chechen's used the katyusha quite effectively against the Soviets --- this works well against an opponent who wants to fight a static war with a well-defined front-line. > > Similarly, when I play Go, if my situation is bad, I try to create complication to confuse my opponent and awe the spectators. This works quite well half of the time (the other half of the time I confuse myself and amuse the spectators). > > Nowadays, the AK-47 is primarily used in Africa. The reason is that most of the soldiers are malnourished, and eyesight is the first thing that is affected by malnourishment --- they can't see beyond 100 yards --- they wouldn't be able to make use of a carbine that is accurate to 100 yards, but there are a lot of them, so: "Quantity has a quality of its own." > Ah, but I wasn't saying it was the best rifle/carbine probably it's quite capable on handling close up problems, even the Russians did not used it as a sniper rifle but instead use varios rifles mostly bolt action for sniper duty. The M1 Garand is probably what you are referring to, reliable and quite accurate. In bolt action rifles of WWII then the Mouser 98 was a great rifle and action, but often overlooked is the British Lee Enfield 4 which had many advance features. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 14:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <04ff7897-afad-4fe2-95cb-44ff4b4da345@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58137 |
> Ah, but I wasn't saying it was the best rifle/carbine probably it's > quite capable on handling close up problems, even the Russians did not > used it as a sniper rifle but instead use varios rifles mostly bolt > action for sniper duty. The M1 Garand is probably what you are referring > to, reliable and quite accurate. > > In bolt action rifles of WWII then the Mouser 98 was a great rifle and > action, but often overlooked is the British Lee Enfield 4 which had many > advance features. Kalashnikov is enormous reliable and hard. It is not too precise, but it is just another goal - to have at least something shooting rather than high-quality but tends to be broken suddenly. Sniper rifle is for snipers.
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 15:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <26feabf4-fb3a-416a-9bd2-804cc5243f0c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58147 |
On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 2:22:04 PM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > Ah, but I wasn't saying it was the best rifle/carbine probably it's > > quite capable on handling close up problems, even the Russians did not > > used it as a sniper rifle but instead use varios rifles mostly bolt > > action for sniper duty. The M1 Garand is probably what you are referring > > to, reliable and quite accurate. > > > > In bolt action rifles of WWII then the Mouser 98 was a great rifle and > > action, but often overlooked is the British Lee Enfield 4 which had many > > advance features. > > Kalashnikov is enormous reliable and hard. It is not too precise, but it is just another goal - to have at least something shooting rather than high-quality but tends to be broken suddenly. Sniper rifle is for snipers. Cecil is well known to be a fan of the Enfield --- I'm not a fan of the Enfield --- I will say however, that the Enfield is certainly superior to the AK-47 or SKS, and arguably superior to the AK-74 too. Anyway, Ilya likes the Kalashnikov --- a good point that can be made, is that the Kalashnikov and the Enfield and every other firearm, is illegal in Russia --- America has the Second Amendment that allows private ownership of firearms, and there is no other country in the world that has anything comparable (certainly not Russia!). If we are going to discuss firearms, our discussion should be moved to this thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.forth/Bz8GK1a0s38 This thread is already off topic by a long ways. I brought up the subject of Mexico and their drug-cartels, and how this brings crime to America --- this subject necessarily leads to the subject of the Second Amendment --- ultimately, there is no way to defend against crime except with a firearm.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 13:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <odo0ne$ks1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58073 |
On 4/25/2017 4:26 AM, Mark Wills wrote: > On Monday, 24 April 2017 23:19:29 UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >> I keep being undecided on which language to learn, Verilog looks simple, >> VHDL has a lot of error checking, I'm not ready yet to start learning as >> I'm in the middle of a software project having to do with FPGA CPUs but >> maybe in a couple of Month I will be ready. >> > > I'm in exactly the same place as you. I'm leaning more towards Verilog because > it looks easier to understand. I'm a dyed in the wool VHDL guy, but I don't recommend one way or the other between the two languages. I did not have an easy time learning VHDL, but the language was not as easy to use in 1995 and learning resources were not as good. I took a one week course in the CAD package we selected and they covered VHDL in one day. Not only was that far insufficient the Orcad VHDL tool was basically dysfunctional. We ended up switching to the Xilinx tools. Then a month later Xilinx switched tools and I had to change again. The project got done and I learned a lot more than I would have preferred. Now I think the tools are all pretty good and the learning resources are much better and even the language has greatly improved. VHDL-2008 added a lot of features that help with all the type conversion stuff. Not all of it is implemented by every vendor (even 9 years later) but most of it is available pretty universally. That said, there is at least one FPGA designer here who swears by Verilog and has converted an entire team from VHDL by showing them productivity improvements. Bernd Paysan I tried to argue that once you learn how to deal with the strong typing of VHDL and use editor functions to help with the verbose typing of VHDL, it can be easy to use. But he insisted that he can get much higher productivity in Verilog and the same for his team. I couldn't show him wrong. The main reason why I have not switched to Verilog, at least for a try, is that I know the assumptions that Verilog makes (in contrast to VHDL requiring you to explicitly state everything) can get you into trouble somewhat invisibly. I have asked about a good book on Verilog a number of times (that would clearly identify these pitfalls) and I am always told none exist. Allegedly all the text books on Verilog pretty well suck. That comes from the folks in comp.lang.verilog. Oh yeah, the other reason I haven't switched to Verilog is because with VHDL you get some pretty good test bench capability. In Verilog you need to use System Verilog to match those capabilities. Test benches are actually what HDL coding is all about. It is easy to write a design, testing is the hard part. Testing on the chip is a *very* hard way to go. My designs work first time in the chip around 95% of the time (other than very minor issues) because I spend adequate time in simulation. -- Rick C
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 13:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <odo3qi$vrv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58104 |
On 4/25/2017 12:27 PM, rickman wrote: > On 4/25/2017 4:26 AM, Mark Wills wrote: >> On Monday, 24 April 2017 23:19:29 UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: >>> I keep being undecided on which language to learn, Verilog looks simple, >>> VHDL has a lot of error checking, I'm not ready yet to start learning as >>> I'm in the middle of a software project having to do with FPGA CPUs but >>> maybe in a couple of Month I will be ready. >>> >> >> I'm in exactly the same place as you. I'm leaning more towards Verilog >> because >> it looks easier to understand. > > I'm a dyed in the wool VHDL guy, but I don't recommend one way or the > other between the two languages. I did not have an easy time learning > VHDL, but the language was not as easy to use in 1995 and learning > resources were not as good. I took a one week course in the CAD package > we selected and they covered VHDL in one day. Not only was that far > insufficient the Orcad VHDL tool was basically dysfunctional. We ended > up switching to the Xilinx tools. Then a month later Xilinx switched > tools and I had to change again. The project got done and I learned a > lot more than I would have preferred. > > Now I think the tools are all pretty good and the learning resources are > much better and even the language has greatly improved. VHDL-2008 added > a lot of features that help with all the type conversion stuff. Not all > of it is implemented by every vendor (even 9 years later) but most of it > is available pretty universally. > > That said, there is at least one FPGA designer here who swears by > Verilog and has converted an entire team from VHDL by showing them > productivity improvements. Bernd Paysan I tried to argue that once you > learn how to deal with the strong typing of VHDL and use editor > functions to help with the verbose typing of VHDL, it can be easy to > use. But he insisted that he can get much higher productivity in > Verilog and the same for his team. I couldn't show him wrong. > > The main reason why I have not switched to Verilog, at least for a try, > is that I know the assumptions that Verilog makes (in contrast to VHDL > requiring you to explicitly state everything) can get you into trouble > somewhat invisibly. I have asked about a good book on Verilog a number > of times (that would clearly identify these pitfalls) and I am always > told none exist. Allegedly all the text books on Verilog pretty well > suck. That comes from the folks in comp.lang.verilog. > > Oh yeah, the other reason I haven't switched to Verilog is because with > VHDL you get some pretty good test bench capability. In Verilog you > need to use System Verilog to match those capabilities. Test benches > are actually what HDL coding is all about. It is easy to write a > design, testing is the hard part. Testing on the chip is a *very* hard > way to go. My designs work first time in the chip around 95% of the > time (other than very minor issues) because I spend adequate time in > simulation. > An example in my life was writing complex software in C, it became a major problem in C finding bugs that crashed the system. I was going insane trying to find the bugs, there was a lot of pressure as the client was using the software and demanded stability. I bit the bullet and wrote a program to translate the C code into Borland Pascal, after a weekend of getting the translator to work right I had a working version of the software in Borland Pascal, I then turned on all the safety features in the Borland compiler on and re-compiled the code, within less than an hour the Borland run code started complaining about problems, mostly uninitialized pointers, after fixing them the customer mentioned that in over a week the system had not crashed or glitched once, this was a big life lesson. After that experience I stopped using C for projects, Borland Pascal's compile and run-time checks would catch all sorts of dumb mistakes that I would have missed using C. It didn't take long to get used to Pascals wordier way of writing code, and the requirement of explicit casting, in the end I could write code in my sleep in Borland Pascal and did not get nasty surprises, it was worth the effort. The moral learned was pay now pay later, later bring interest payments with it so it's far better to pay now. This indecision between Verilog and VHDL seems a lot similar to my issues between C and Borland Pascal so maybe that experience applies here too. When I first wanted to start this software project I dug out my old copies of Borland Pascal but the problem is that they would not install or run with Windows 10 so that reliable and efficient software was out of the picture since a new copy is out of reach due to it's cost of over $1400 for the professional version, that is why I started looking at Go, efficient yet full of checks to keep you out of trouble. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 11:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9de842bd-2ddb-4739-84ac-3b0011cd3806@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58113 |
вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:20:02 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: > On 4/25/2017 12:27 PM, rickman wrote: > > On 4/25/2017 4:26 AM, Mark Wills wrote: > >> On Monday, 24 April 2017 23:19:29 UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > >>> I keep being undecided on which language to learn, Verilog looks simple, > >>> VHDL has a lot of error checking, I'm not ready yet to start learning as > >>> I'm in the middle of a software project having to do with FPGA CPUs but > >>> maybe in a couple of Month I will be ready. > >>> > >> > >> I'm in exactly the same place as you. I'm leaning more towards Verilog > >> because > >> it looks easier to understand. > > > > I'm a dyed in the wool VHDL guy, but I don't recommend one way or the > > other between the two languages. I did not have an easy time learning > > VHDL, but the language was not as easy to use in 1995 and learning > > resources were not as good. I took a one week course in the CAD package > > we selected and they covered VHDL in one day. Not only was that far > > insufficient the Orcad VHDL tool was basically dysfunctional. We ended > > up switching to the Xilinx tools. Then a month later Xilinx switched > > tools and I had to change again. The project got done and I learned a > > lot more than I would have preferred. > > > > Now I think the tools are all pretty good and the learning resources are > > much better and even the language has greatly improved. VHDL-2008 added > > a lot of features that help with all the type conversion stuff. Not all > > of it is implemented by every vendor (even 9 years later) but most of it > > is available pretty universally. > > > > That said, there is at least one FPGA designer here who swears by > > Verilog and has converted an entire team from VHDL by showing them > > productivity improvements. Bernd Paysan I tried to argue that once you > > learn how to deal with the strong typing of VHDL and use editor > > functions to help with the verbose typing of VHDL, it can be easy to > > use. But he insisted that he can get much higher productivity in > > Verilog and the same for his team. I couldn't show him wrong. > > > > The main reason why I have not switched to Verilog, at least for a try, > > is that I know the assumptions that Verilog makes (in contrast to VHDL > > requiring you to explicitly state everything) can get you into trouble > > somewhat invisibly. I have asked about a good book on Verilog a number > > of times (that would clearly identify these pitfalls) and I am always > > told none exist. Allegedly all the text books on Verilog pretty well > > suck. That comes from the folks in comp.lang.verilog. > > > > Oh yeah, the other reason I haven't switched to Verilog is because with > > VHDL you get some pretty good test bench capability. In Verilog you > > need to use System Verilog to match those capabilities. Test benches > > are actually what HDL coding is all about. It is easy to write a > > design, testing is the hard part. Testing on the chip is a *very* hard > > way to go. My designs work first time in the chip around 95% of the > > time (other than very minor issues) because I spend adequate time in > > simulation. > > > > An example in my life was writing complex software in C, it became a > major problem in C finding bugs that crashed the system. I was going > insane trying to find the bugs, there was a lot of pressure as the > client was using the software and demanded stability. I bit the bullet > and wrote a program to translate the C code into Borland Pascal, after a > weekend of getting the translator to work right I had a working version > of the software in Borland Pascal, I then turned on all the safety > features in the Borland compiler on and re-compiled the code, within > less than an hour the Borland run code started complaining about > problems, mostly uninitialized pointers, after fixing them the customer > mentioned that in over a week the system had not crashed or glitched > once, this was a big life lesson. > > After that experience I stopped using C for projects, Borland Pascal's > compile and run-time checks would catch all sorts of dumb mistakes that > I would have missed using C. It didn't take long to get used to Pascals > wordier way of writing code, and the requirement of explicit casting, in > the end I could write code in my sleep in Borland Pascal and did not get > nasty surprises, it was worth the effort. > > The moral learned was pay now pay later, later bring interest payments > with it so it's far better to pay now. This indecision between Verilog > and VHDL seems a lot similar to my issues between C and Borland Pascal > so maybe that experience applies here too. > > When I first wanted to start this software project I dug out my old > copies of Borland Pascal but the problem is that they would not install > or run with Windows 10 so that reliable and efficient software was out > of the picture since a new copy is out of reach due to it's cost of over > $1400 for the professional version, that is why I started looking at Go, > efficient yet full of checks to keep you out of trouble. > -- Lazarus IDE based on Free Pascal looks like Delphi and follow that way. If you need only basic visual controls, it is ebough. Also you can add some Forth scripts to buttons, checkboxes etc.
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 13:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <odo640$8gh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58117 |
On 4/25/2017 1:38 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:20:02 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: >> The moral learned was pay now pay later, later bring interest payments >> with it so it's far better to pay now. This indecision between Verilog >> and VHDL seems a lot similar to my issues between C and Borland Pascal >> so maybe that experience applies here too. >> >> When I first wanted to start this software project I dug out my old >> copies of Borland Pascal but the problem is that they would not install >> or run with Windows 10 so that reliable and efficient software was out >> of the picture since a new copy is out of reach due to it's cost of over >> $1400 for the professional version, that is why I started looking at Go, >> efficient yet full of checks to keep you out of trouble. >> -- > > Lazarus IDE based on Free Pascal looks like Delphi and follow that way. If you need only basic visual controls, it is ebough. Also you can add some Forth scripts to buttons, checkboxes etc. > I thought about it, but I have never used it before so I have questions about how reliable it is and if it generates accurate code, it has a following so it must be OK in those areas. Even if it's not the best optimized compiler is must be accurate to intent or there is no point. I visited the Embarcadero site and now they offer a free version od Delphi like Borland used to do, with Borland it was a pretty good system for free, it was missing the Database items but otherwise it was pretty good, I always bought the Professional version with Database capability. I'm installing it now so I will shortly find out how good it is. In any case I'm determined to learn Go for some system applications I want that need MySQL capability. For Visual Design Borland Delphi was wonderful. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 12:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fb578e81-00a5-42fd-b8cd-75917ede738a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #58122 |
вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:59:13 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: > On 4/25/2017 1:38 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 21:20:02 UTC+3 пользователь Cecil - k5nwa написал: > > >> The moral learned was pay now pay later, later bring interest payments > >> with it so it's far better to pay now. This indecision between Verilog > >> and VHDL seems a lot similar to my issues between C and Borland Pascal > >> so maybe that experience applies here too. > >> > >> When I first wanted to start this software project I dug out my old > >> copies of Borland Pascal but the problem is that they would not install > >> or run with Windows 10 so that reliable and efficient software was out > >> of the picture since a new copy is out of reach due to it's cost of over > >> $1400 for the professional version, that is why I started looking at Go, > >> efficient yet full of checks to keep you out of trouble. > >> -- > > > > Lazarus IDE based on Free Pascal looks like Delphi and follow that way. If you need only basic visual controls, it is ebough. Also you can add some Forth scripts to buttons, checkboxes etc. > > > I thought about it, but I have never used it before so I have questions > about how reliable it is and if it generates accurate code, it has a > following so it must be OK in those areas. Even if it's not the best > optimized compiler is must be accurate to intent or there is no point. > > I visited the Embarcadero site and now they offer a free version od > Delphi like Borland used to do, with Borland it was a pretty good system > for free, it was missing the Database items but otherwise it was pretty > good, I always bought the Professional version with Database capability. > I'm installing it now so I will shortly find out how good it is. > > In any case I'm determined to learn Go for some system applications I > want that need MySQL capability. For Visual Design Borland Delphi was > wonderful. I use Lazarus for internal tools, IDE with Forth as dll works fine. In this case we don't need an ultimate performance. Bad thing is too large exe size, but no additional libraries needed. Indeed, after Embarcadero stops providing free version of Delphi it lost a large part of popularity. Qt Creator or Visual Studio are not so bad.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-25 14:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <odo5hp$6el$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #58113 |
On 4/25/2017 2:19 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > > An example in my life was writing complex software in C, it became a > major problem in C finding bugs that crashed the system. I was going > insane trying to find the bugs, there was a lot of pressure as the > client was using the software and demanded stability. I bit the bullet > and wrote a program to translate the C code into Borland Pascal, after a > weekend of getting the translator to work right I had a working version > of the software in Borland Pascal, I then turned on all the safety > features in the Borland compiler on and re-compiled the code, within > less than an hour the Borland run code started complaining about > problems, mostly uninitialized pointers, after fixing them the customer > mentioned that in over a week the system had not crashed or glitched > once, this was a big life lesson. What was the underlying cause of these problems? It wasn't the C compiler. > After that experience I stopped using C for projects, Borland Pascal's > compile and run-time checks would catch all sorts of dumb mistakes that > I would have missed using C. It didn't take long to get used to Pascals > wordier way of writing code, and the requirement of explicit casting, in > the end I could write code in my sleep in Borland Pascal and did not get > nasty surprises, it was worth the effort. Did you consider the idea of not writing bad code in the first place? That's where you are with Forth. It has very little in the way of compiler checks. You have to avoid mistakes by not writing them. Personally I find it interesting that I use VHDL and Forth. I don't think you can find two more opposite languages in terms of error checking. > The moral learned was pay now pay later, later bring interest payments > with it so it's far better to pay now. This indecision between Verilog > and VHDL seems a lot similar to my issues between C and Borland Pascal > so maybe that experience applies here too. I have made a lot of money by paying later. I bought two houses on mortgages and both are paid off now with values higher than the cost of the loans. By paying cash I would barely be buying the first one now, if that! > When I first wanted to start this software project I dug out my old > copies of Borland Pascal but the problem is that they would not install > or run with Windows 10 so that reliable and efficient software was out > of the picture since a new copy is out of reach due to it's cost of over > $1400 for the professional version, that is why I started looking at Go, > efficient yet full of checks to keep you out of trouble. Oh, so you don't use Forth much then? Is that just a hobby thing with you? I just don't end up adding bugs to my code so much. With Forth the small unit testing works very well. With VHDL I spend a lot of time thinking about how the code will work together, then simulation finds the bugs much more easily than running in the chip. I seriously think it was an epiphany for me when Jeff Fox wrote that stack errors just mean the programmer can't count. Avoiding stack errors is literally that simple, count the parameters added and removed from the stack. A compiler isn't needed to find those errors, just as, in my opinion, a compiler isn't needed to find uninitialized pointers. Heck, we had to perform requirements traceability analysis which was all done by hand. Why can't uninitialized pointers be found as you code? -- Rick C
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