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| Started by | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-04-01 12:10 -0400 |
| Last post | 2017-04-08 01:37 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 202 — 25 participants |
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Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 12:10 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-01 17:06 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 16:37 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 19:21 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-01 17:16 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 01:26 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 12:51 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 18:50 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 19:18 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 21:29 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 22:01 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-02 21:46 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 21:54 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-02 22:26 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 08:34 +0300
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-01 18:47 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 01:28 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 04:02 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 12:39 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-02 15:44 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 20:56 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 01:16 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 21:38 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-07 16:42 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-08 12:41 -0500
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-01 17:31 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-01 22:03 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 01:39 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-01 22:56 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 12:32 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 12:45 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-02 22:03 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same wordsas "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-04-13 20:31 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same wordsas "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-04-13 20:35 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same wordsas "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-04-13 20:37 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same wordsas "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 19:11 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 12:58 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-02 22:06 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-03 10:49 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 01:21 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-02 13:58 +0100
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 11:16 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 19:38 +0300
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-02 22:10 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-02 22:02 +0200
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-02 15:31 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 23:48 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 23:49 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 10:23 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-03 15:56 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-03 20:57 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-03 08:08 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-02 19:22 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 22:46 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 20:38 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 07:07 +0300
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 00:17 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 07:41 +0300
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-07 20:23 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 00:15 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 21:45 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-04 02:08 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 03:45 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-04 06:25 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-07 20:19 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 17:33 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-08 18:45 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 19:03 +0000
Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 08:23 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-04-06 03:02 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 15:46 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-07 18:59 +0200
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 20:57 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 20:37 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 01:31 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 21:45 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-07 20:32 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 01:31 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-08 06:18 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-08 03:01 -0700
Starting Forth (was: Is there a free version ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-08 12:34 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 15:53 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-09 09:36 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-07 20:30 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 17:51 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 01:22 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 23:01 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-08 23:23 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 17:11 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-09 18:18 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 23:05 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 03:11 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-09 12:24 +0200
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-09 14:16 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-09 13:50 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-10 06:19 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-10 11:20 +0200
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-10 18:49 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-10 19:42 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-11 15:26 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-07 10:24 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 20:42 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-07 11:28 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-09 07:32 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-08 14:30 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 16:53 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-09 14:44 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-09 08:19 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 00:26 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-09 21:39 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 07:47 +0300
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-09 21:51 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 09:18 +0300
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-10 11:41 +0200
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-10 07:57 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-10 12:27 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-10 15:57 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-04-11 13:24 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-12 01:32 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 23:37 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-10 16:59 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-10 17:49 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 14:32 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 12:09 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-11 12:18 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 15:54 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 01:47 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 12:39 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 02:33 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-11 04:12 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 03:14 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:02 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 14:24 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 03:09 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 21:37 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 15:59 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? john <anon@example.com> - 2017-04-12 17:12 +0100
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 14:19 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 03:54 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-11 21:12 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 07:19 +0300
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Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:27 +0000
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Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 00:22 -0400
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Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-10 10:18 -1000
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| From | Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 13:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20170402135850.046d1e8d@t530.lan> |
| In reply to | #56541 |
On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> wrote: [...] > Anyway, I've stumbled upon an issue with the book and was > wondering if someone knew where I can find a free forth that > works with my Raspberry Pi and uses all of the same exact > words as the ones in "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? No, but have you seen this: "In this transcript Forth code has been ANSified. The samples should run on, at least, iForth and SwiftForth. Where necessary, statements that were valid in 1981 have been exchanged with statements more appropriate for 2003 (when this tribute was written)." from: http://home.iae.nl/users/mhx/sf.html Jan Coombs
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 11:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obr4l2$cgj$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #56584 |
Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> Wrote in message: > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:10:50 -0400 (EDT) > Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> wrote: > [...] >> Anyway, I've stumbled upon an issue with the book and was >> wondering if someone knew where I can find a free forth that >> works with my Raspberry Pi and uses all of the same exact >> words as the ones in "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? > > No, but have you seen this: > > "In this transcript Forth code has been ANSified. The samples > should run on, at least, iForth and SwiftForth. Where necessary, > statements that were valid in 1981 have been exchanged with > statements more appropriate for 2003 (when this tribute was > written)." > > from: > http://home.iae.nl/users/mhx/sf.html > > > Jan Coombs > > Jan, thank you for reminding me about this paragraph on Forth Inc.'s site. Yes I was aware of it, that's why I was asking about any "free" version of Forth, since iForth and SwiftForth are both paid programs. Currently neither of them would work on my Raspberry Pi or Google Pixel C tablet even if I had the money to buy them. Again thank you for your assistance. Take care now. -- Darin Murphy ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
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| From | Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 19:38 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <obr97r$et3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56587 |
On 02/04/2017 18:16, Darin Murphy wrote: > Jan, thank you for reminding me about this paragraph on Forth > Inc.'s site. Yes I was aware of it, that's why I was asking about > any "free" version of Forth, since iForth and SwiftForth are both > paid programs. Currently neither of them would work on my > Raspberry Pi or Google Pixel C tablet even if I had the money to > buy them. Again thank you for your assistance. Take care > now. Hello, Darin - You may, perhaps, be interested in taking a look at 8th. It runs on RPi as well as desktops and mobile systems. The free version has most of the functionality of the non-free versions. However, it is not ANS Forth.
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| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 22:10 -1000 |
| Message-ID | <H-adnaAIM6Hznn_FnZ2dnUU7-VXNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #56587 |
On 4/2/17 5:16 AM, Darin Murphy wrote: > Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> Wrote in message: >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:10:50 -0400 (EDT) >> Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> wrote: >> [...] >>> Anyway, I've stumbled upon an issue with the book and was >>> wondering if someone knew where I can find a free forth that >>> works with my Raspberry Pi and uses all of the same exact >>> words as the ones in "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? >> >> No, but have you seen this: >> >> "In this transcript Forth code has been ANSified. The samples >> should run on, at least, iForth and SwiftForth. Where necessary, >> statements that were valid in 1981 have been exchanged with >> statements more appropriate for 2003 (when this tribute was >> written)." >> >> from: >> http://home.iae.nl/users/mhx/sf.html >> >> >> Jan Coombs >> >> > > Jan, thank you for reminding me about this paragraph on Forth > Inc.'s site. Yes I was aware of it, that's why I was asking about > any "free" version of Forth, since iForth and SwiftForth are both > paid programs. Currently neither of them would work on my > Raspberry Pi or Google Pixel C tablet even if I had the money to > buy them. Again thank you for your assistance. Take care > now. The evaluation versions of Swiftforth are free, and perfectly adequate to your learning process. They also incorporate a lot of additional documentation that you will find helpful. SwiftForth does run on a PC or Mac. SwiftX is a cross-compiler that can produce code for a board such as the Pi. It also has free evaluation versions suitable for learning (limited only in the size of a target program that can be released). Cheers, Elizabeth -- Elizabeth R. Conklin FORTH, Inc. 6080 Center Drive, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90045 USA
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| From | albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 22:02 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <obrlcu$110$1@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #56541 |
In article <oboje2$pce$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> wrote: >Hey everybody! > >It's been a very, very long time since I posted on this site. Was > away from Forth for 6 months trying to go to UOPeople, which > wasn't what I expected. I started back up with Forth in Dec 2016 > and nearly finished with "Starting Forth". I like taking my time > to make sure I understand things very well and have already made > a much of small trivial programs outside of the book, including > one that was a tiny rogue game using a only 1 dimensional array > as the screen buffer. It was a blast! Starting Forth can still be used to learn Forth. > >Anyway, I've stumbled upon an issue with the book and was > wondering if someone knew where I can find a free forth that > works with my Raspberry Pi and uses all of the same exact words > as the ones in "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? I > understand it's a tall order, but just thought I'd ask. I've > already tried 4e4th, which is a great little Forth that runs on a > MSP430, but it's so small that it's missing a lot of words (i.e., > missing all of Chapter 3 words). I've also tried gForth which has > a crazy amount of words, and has gotten me successfully up to > Chapter 7, but than it too is missing a bunch of words that are > in the book. I've been able to get most of Chapter 8, and 9 done > and now working on Chapter 10. Whew it's been a awesome > adventure! Forth is actually better than I initially thought and > I can't wait to see what I learn next about it. Once I've > finished both "Staring Forth" and "Thinking Forth" and gotten > some experience under my belt I'll be moving on to ARM Assembly. > Having those two under my belt is going to be blast! You should use a version of Starting Forth that has been modernized if you're diligently doing all the exercises. The version of Marcel Hendrix is great for that. The only disadvantage is the artwork. I like the original pictures better. > >Thank you for your time, patience and understanding. Any > assistance, ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated as > always. Take care now, > >-- >Darin Murphy Groetjes Albert -- Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters. albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 15:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0cca2472-e73c-4e1d-8a18-ff376e26faba@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #56599 |
On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 1:02:43 PM UTC-7, Albert van der Horst wrote:
> Starting Forth can still be used to learn Forth.
I strongly advise against using Forth Inc. books to learn Forth (with the exception of "Thinking Forth" although that is only useful after you have begun writing programs).
The "Starting Forth" book is a negative contribution --- you will pick up bad habits --- it will be very difficult for you to throw them off (it took me years).
I have said before that the distinction between novice-level Forth and intermediate-level Forth is that intermediate-level Forth involves writing your own data-structures. I don't recommend that you attempt this as a novice, because you are not ready. You are better off as a novice to use data-structures provided to you by intermediate-level Forth programmers while you get some experience writing programs. It is actually okay to stay at the novice-level for years and just write programs --- there is nothing wrong with writing programs!
Note that Andrew Haley is on the Forth-200x committee, and he is still novice-level. He is not capable of implementing data-structures, which I have described as intermediate-level Forth. He attempted this, but his code wasn't general-purpose because it didn't support arrays of structs --- only arrays of cells (they can be pointers to structs though) --- this isn't really general-purpose because you want to support arrays of floats, doubles, etc..
Here is my ARY array definer from the novice-package. I don't really expect you to understand how it works (it is intermediate-level, and it relies on other novice-package features that are also intermediate-level). You can learn to use it though --- it is useful for writing programs.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
\ ******
\ ****** These are an alternate definition of arrays using Iliffe arrays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iliffe_vector).
\ ****** This code was originally written by Andrew Haley using CREATE DOES> and was limited to word elements.
\ ****** I upgraded the code to allow for user-specified element sizes.
\ ******
: [] ( adr index - element-adr ) \ not a MACRO: because it might be used interactively
cells + ;
: -> ( adr index -- element ) \ not a MACRO: because it might be used interactively
[] @ ;
: ,rows ( size 0 dims... -- size 0 dims... ) \ size is the size of the element; all elements get zero'd out
here locals| array dim | \ ARRAY is the adr and DIM is the largest dimension
dup if w else over then \ -- element-size \ all but the last level are pointers (size W)
dim * allot
dup if
dim 0 do here array I [] ! dup >r recurse r> loop
then ;
\ Any alignment to the dictionary pointer should be done *before* ,ROWS is called.
\ This is in <ARY> prior to the DIMENSIONS.
\ This isn't necessary in ,ROWS prior to the RECURSE because we have only been compiling words.
\ Don't align the HERE at the beginning of ,ROWS as this has to be the same HERE that was obtained prior to calling ,ROWS.
: dimensions ( size 0 dims... size ) \ size is the size of the element
,rows
begin 0= until ; \ discard the dimensions and the zero terminator
: <ary> ( size 0 dims... name -- )
>r
non-zeros >r r@ 0 = abort" *** ARY needs some dimensions ***"
align here >r dimensions >r
r> r> r> r> { siz adr cnt name -- }
name get-current :name \ runtime: indices... -- element-adr
adr lit,
cnt 1 ?do swap, postpone -> loop
swap, siz lit*, +, ;,
c" <" name get-current :2name \ runtime: -- base-adr
adr lit, ;,
name c" >" get-current :2name \ runtime: adr index -- element-adr
siz lit*, +, ;,
;
: ary ( size 0 dims... -- )
bl word hstr dup >r <ary> r> dealloc ;
\ You can define a two-dimensional array of words in either of these ways:
\ W 0 3 5 C" TEST" <ARY>
\ W 0 3 5 ARY TEST
\ Assuming that I and J are indexes, an element can be accessed like this:
\ I J TEST \ this provides the element address, which you can @ or ! to.
\ In the above, I is in the range [0,3) and J is in the range [0,5). They are in the same order as the dimensions were.
\ It is also possible to access the element like this:
\ <TEST J -> I TEST> \ this provides the element address, which you can @ or ! to.
\ In the above, I is in the range [0,3) and J is in the range [0,5). They are in the opposite order as the dimensions were.
\ The [] only works for word-sized elements.
\ You should always use the xxx> word (even for words) because it takes into account the size of the element.
\ Arrays of dimensions other than two are defined the same --- you can have as many dimensions as you want.
\ <ARY> figures out how many dimensions there are by looking for the 0 under the non-zero dimensions.
\ This is a classic example of the problem with CREATE DOES> words being limited to *one* action per data type.
\ The CREATE DOES> version of the Iliff vectors relied on [] for resolving the final level, which had to be word elements.
\ There is no way to do this with CREATE DOES> because you can't have a type-specific version of [] (such as my xxx> word).
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 23:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <367327e7-eacd-468a-a273-e8681a9a0fb9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #56605 |
hughaguilar96@gmail.com Wrote in message: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is my ARY array definer from the novice-package. I don't really expect you to understand how it works (it is intermediate-level, and it relies on other novice-package features that are also intermediate-level). You can learn to use it though --- it is useful for writing programs. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you Hugh for another great example. So what would an "array definer" be used for? Is it a helper to make arrays easier to implement or use? I downloaded your novice package/library and will be going over it after I finish "Starting Forth", which won't be much longer. Only a couple of chapters to go! Again Hugh thank you for taking the time to show how an experienced Forth programmer does it. Take care now, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Darin Murphy
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 23:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ebcab3e9-d7c5-47a3-83a4-3bbc60827ba4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #56605 |
hughaguilar96@gmail.com Wrote in message: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is my ARY array definer from the novice-package. I don't really expect you to understand how it works (it is intermediate-level, and it relies on other novice-package features that are also intermediate-level). You can learn to use it though --- it is useful for writing programs. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you Hugh for another great example. So what would an "array definer" be used for? Is it a helper to make arrays easier to implement or use? I downloaded your novice package/library and will be going over it after I finish "Starting Forth", which won't be much longer. Only a couple of chapters to go! Again Hugh thank you for taking the time to show how an experienced Forth programmer does it. Take care now, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Darin Murphy
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 10:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obtlnp$435$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56638 |
On 4/3/2017 2:49 AM, Darin Murphy wrote: > hughaguilar96@gmail.com Wrote in message: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Here is my ARY array definer from the novice-package. I don't really > expect you to understand how it works (it is intermediate-level, and > it relies on other novice-package features that are also > intermediate-level). You can learn to use it though --- it is useful > for writing programs. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thank you Hugh for another great example. So what would an "array > definer" be used for? Is it a helper to make arrays easier to > implement or use? I downloaded your novice package/library and will > be going over it after I finish "Starting Forth", which won't be much > longer. Only a couple of chapters to go! Again Hugh thank you for > taking the time to show how an experienced Forth programmer does it. > Take care now, There are no standard arrays in Forth unless you count strings. Many people have created their own array defining words. With advice from a number of people here I created my own some time ago. Hugh has created his in the novice package. It has been discussed here a number of times and it seems there are two main reasons why arrays have not been standardized. The first is because arrays will vary a great deal and so standardization would require a lot of words. The other is because arrays can be very easy to implement. It's just addresses arithmetic unless you want to get fancy. Defining array defining words is only at all difficult because it requires understanding Forth at a little deeper level to know how to define defining words. That's why Hugh says it is intermediate level Forth. Otherwise arrays are pretty durn simple. -- Rick C
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| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 15:56 -1000 |
| Message-ID | <DvOdnXqlu5HVYH_FnZ2dnUU7-XPNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #56660 |
On 4/3/17 4:23 AM, rickman wrote: > On 4/3/2017 2:49 AM, Darin Murphy wrote: >> hughaguilar96@gmail.com Wrote in message: >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Here is my ARY array definer from the novice-package. I don't really >> expect you to understand how it works (it is intermediate-level, and >> it relies on other novice-package features that are also >> intermediate-level). You can learn to use it though --- it is useful >> for writing programs. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Thank you Hugh for another great example. So what would an "array >> definer" be used for? Is it a helper to make arrays easier to >> implement or use? I downloaded your novice package/library and will >> be going over it after I finish "Starting Forth", which won't be much >> longer. Only a couple of chapters to go! Again Hugh thank you for >> taking the time to show how an experienced Forth programmer does it. >> Take care now, > > There are no standard arrays in Forth unless you count strings. Many > people have created their own array defining words. With advice from a > number of people here I created my own some time ago. Hugh has created > his in the novice package. > > It has been discussed here a number of times and it seems there are two > main reasons why arrays have not been standardized. The first is > because arrays will vary a great deal and so standardization would > require a lot of words. The other is because arrays can be very easy to > implement. It's just addresses arithmetic unless you want to get fancy. > Defining array defining words is only at all difficult because it > requires understanding Forth at a little deeper level to know how to > define defining words. That's why Hugh says it is intermediate level > Forth. Otherwise arrays are pretty durn simple. For 40 years I taught beginning Forth (the latest version of the course notes are the basis of my book, Forth Application Techniques), and we discussed defining words and multiple ways of defining arrays on the 3rd day of a 5-day course. In a couple of hours, students know how to define 2-dimensional arrays with error checking. But more importantly, they know how to design custom data objects with application-specific properties. Cheers, Elizabeth -- Elizabeth R. Conklin FORTH, Inc. 6080 Center Drive, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90045 USA
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 20:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b047c673-95dd-4f40-a6cd-1a5cf5c575db@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #56682 |
On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-7, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: > On 4/3/17 4:23 AM, rickman wrote: > > On 4/3/2017 2:49 AM, Darin Murphy wrote: > >> hughaguilar96@gmail.com Wrote in message: > >> > >> Here is my ARY array definer from the novice-package. I don't really > >> expect you to understand how it works (it is intermediate-level, and > >> it relies on other novice-package features that are also > >> intermediate-level). You can learn to use it though --- it is useful > >> for writing programs. > For 40 years I taught beginning Forth (the latest version of the course > notes are the basis of my book, Forth Application Techniques), and we > discussed defining words and multiple ways of defining arrays on the 3rd > day of a 5-day course. In a couple of hours, students know how to define > 2-dimensional arrays with error checking. But more importantly, they > know how to design custom data objects with application-specific properties. For 40 years you made the Forth community look stupid with your ridiculous class and ridiculous book. You are similar to Julien Fondren --- you want to promote yourself from sub-novice to "leading expert" teacher --- you have never written any Forth programs, and you know almost nothing about the subject. This is you: On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 7:30:10 PM UTC-7, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: > Here's [an array definer] presented in my Forth Application Techniques that I think is > far more useful than the FSL version: > > : ARRAY ( n -- ) CREATE DUP , CELLS ALLOT > DOES> ( n -- a) SWAP OVER @ OVER < OVER > 1 < OR ABORT" Out of Range" CELLS + ; This is Julien Fondren: On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 8:59:39 PM UTC-7, Julian Fondren wrote: > I suggest that the solution is this: write documentation AS IF it were > written for a language with actually no list processing capabilities > of note at all. Build those list processing capabilities using more > primitive operations, perhaps wearily, as this were a chore the > language required of you before you can get around to actually doing > anything, but explaining the construction and its merits as you go. > Then, at the end, say -- just kidding! This is all built in! > > Of course you can make it clear at the beginning that this is a > pretense. Forth and lists are such a pair in the culture that a reader > might otherwise discard your tutorial as some kind of weak troll. > > Here is where I'd like to submit my own example of a tutorial like > this, but I've tried and it's actually very difficult to write Forth > without lists. I hope that some of you who are in the middle of > writing your next "what are monads?" mini-tutorial can give my > suggestion a try, instead. > > But consider, with traditional link-first lists and these words... > > : each[ ( list -- ) > POSTPONE begin POSTPONE dup POSTPONE while ; immediate > > ( list -- list ) > > : ]each ( list -- ) > POSTPONE @ POSTPONE repeat POSTPONE drop ; immediate Notice the similarity? Both of you want to be teachers. Both of you are ignorant of how to implement singly-linked lists, although this is a very easy subject. When you call yourself the "leading expert" on Forth, you hurt the Forth community by making us look stupid. When you surround yourself with sycophants such as Julien Fondren who are just as stupid as you are, but loyal as dogs, you hurt the Forth community by making us look like a cult. Your contribution to Forth for 40 years has been purely negative --- you, personally, are the reason why Forth lost popularity --- its because you are informed by ignorance and driven by arrogance.
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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 08:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <2017Apr3.100851@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> |
| In reply to | #56599 |
albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) writes:
>You should use a version of Starting Forth that has been modernized
>if you're diligently doing all the exercises. The version of
>Marcel Hendrix is great for that.
For the issues he mentioned, Marcel Hendrix' version is the same as
the Forth, Inc. online version. I guess that the online version was
derived from Marcel Hendrix' version.
- anton
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New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 19:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d3b43fff-f956-4cfa-8349-037f35acb75a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #56541 |
On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 9:10:44 AM UTC-7, Darin Murphy wrote: > I ... have already made > ... small trivial programs outside of the book, including > one that was a tiny rogue game using a only 1 dimensional array > as the screen buffer. It was a blast! Show us the code! Endlessly talking about Forth without posting any code is typical of the ANS-Forth cult members --- don't be one of them! I post ANS-Forth code all the time. Of course, Elizabeth Rather and Stephen Pelc insist that I'm not an ANS-Forth programmer and never will be. Perhaps that is why you aren't posting code? You expect Elizabeth Rather and Stephen Pelc will say the same about you? You hope that, by never posting any ANS-Forth code, you can stay in their good graces and eventually be recognized by them as a big ANS-Forth expert?
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 22:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obsd28$fi0$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #56619 |
\ Okay Hugh here it is!
\ tiny_arena01.fs
\ Created by Darin Murphy
\ Created on 02/24/17
\ Currently the walls of the arena are finished and the player may
move about the area using the arrow keys
\ Loads and runs fine from my Raspberry Pi 3 B running gforth
\ To load up if in linux type: gforth tiny-arena01.fs, then after
gforth loads type: player-walking.
\ Eventually it will have monsters spinkled over the arena and
everytime the player fights one by ramming
\ into it they will get a score and can die if the monster hurts
them too much. Fights will be determined
\ randomly. Had to stop working on it, until I can find a small
and fast randomizer formula.
64 constant plyrsymbl \ "@" symbol of player
35 constant wallsymbl \ "#" symbol of wall
77 constant mnstrsymbl \ "M" symbol of monster
32 constant mptyspace \ " " empty space
\ screen array which represents the console screen 80 x 25
characters or 2000 cells
variable scrnarry 1999 cells allot
\ fill screen array with empty space " "
: clear-screen ( -- ) 1999 0 do mptyspace scrnarry i cells + ! loop ;
\ current positon of a mobile unit ( monster/player )
variable curpos
0 curpos ! \ initialize it to 0 for safty
\ previous position of a mobile unit ( monster/player )
variable prevpos
0 prevpos ! \ initialize it to 0 for safty
\ player's position
variable plyrpos
10 80 * 40 + plyrpos ! \ starting position
\ monster's position
variable mnsterpos
\ used for building room
variable counter
0 counter !
\ health points of player
variable health
10 health !
\ player's score for killing monsters
variable score
0 score !
\ screen array helper words
: clear-prevpos ( position -- ) mptyspace scrnarry prevpos @ cells
+ ! ;
: y1- ( -- n ) curpos @ 80 - ;
: y1+ ( -- n ) curpos @ 80 + ;
: x1- ( -- n ) curpos @ 1 - ;
: x1+ ( -- n ) curpos @ 1 + ;
\ copies current position to previous postion
: curpos>prevpos ( -- ) curpos @ prevpos ! ;
\ scans current position in screen array to determine whether
mobile unit there is player
\ or monster
: get-moversymbl ( -- identity ) scrnarry curpos @ cells + @ ;
\ checking position in screen array
: look-forward ( -- n ) y1- cells scrnarry + @ ;
: look-behind ( -- n ) y1+ cells scrnarry + @ ;
: look-left ( -- n ) x1- cells scrnarry + @ ;
: look-right ( -- n ) x1+ cells scrnarry + @ ;
\ identifying if there is something/someone at a particular
position and if so,
\ who/what are they
: clear? ( new position -- boolean flag ) mptyspace = ;
: wall? ( new position -- boolean flag ) wallsymbl = ;
: monster? ( new position -- boolean flag ) mnstrsymbl = ;
: player? ( new position -- boolean flag ) plyrsymbl = ;
\ goto postion in screen array
: goto-position ( symbol -- ) scrnarry curpos @ cells + ! ;
\ moving forward, backward, left, or right entails copying current
postion to previous position
\ updating curpos, updating screen array with new location, and
\ finally removing previous position in screen array
: move-forward ( -- ) get-moversymbl curpos>prevpos y1- curpos !
goto-position clear-prevpos ;
: move-backward ( -- ) get-moversymbl curpos>prevpos y1+ curpos
! goto-position clear-prevpos ;
: move-left ( -- ) get-moversymbl curpos>prevpos x1- curpos !
goto-position clear-prevpos ;
: move-right ( -- ) get-moversymbl curpos>prevpos x1+ curpos !
goto-position clear-prevpos ;
\ before moving to new position, first determine if position is
clear, if so move there
: go-forward ( -- n ) look-forward dup clear? if drop
move-forward else drop
then ;
: go-backward ( -- n ) look-behind dup clear? if drop
move-backward else drop
then ;
: go-left ( -- n ) look-left dup clear? if drop move-left else drop
then ;
: go-right ( -- n ) look-right dup clear? if drop move-right else drop
then ;
\ initializing screen array before starting program
clear-screen
\ update screen from screen array
: update-screen ( -- ) page 1999 0 do scrnarry i cells + @ emit loop ;
\ Building a large room (takes up the whole screen) by encircling
it with walls of #
: north-wall ( -- ) 79 0 do wallsymbl scrnarry i cells + ! loop ;
: estwst-walls ( -- ) 21 0 do counter @ 79 + counter ! wallsymbl
scrnarry counter @ cells + !
counter @ 1 + counter ! wallsymbl
scrnarry counter @ cells + !
loop 0 counter ! ;
: south-wall ( -- ) 21 80 * counter @ + counter ! 80 0 do
wallsymbl scrnarry counter @ i + cells + !
loop 0
counter ! ;
: build-arena ( -- ) north-wall estwst-walls south-wall ;
\ build arena, then add player to screen array at starting postion
build-arena
plyrpos @ curpos !
plyrsymbl scrnarry curpos @ cells + !
\ Main loop, which takes player's key input every turn, moves
player accordingly, refreshes screen too
\ if player presses the q key then the player wants to quit so the
loop exits
: player-walking ( -- ) begin update-screen ekey dup 113 = if
drop page exit
else
dup k-up = if drop go-forward
else
dup k-down = if drop go-backward
else
dup k-left = if drop go-left
else
dup k-right = if drop go-right
else drop
then
then then then then
again ;
\ Let me know if I need to document further or if I am able to
factor things better. Take care now.
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| From | Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 20:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2fb43f50-4f8b-4612-b821-d225af3825ed@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #56623 |
On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 9:46:37 PM UTC-5, Darin Murphy wrote: > \ Eventually it will have monsters spinkled over the arena and > everytime the player fights one by ramming > \ into it they will get a score and can die if the monster hurts > them too much. Fights will be determined > \ randomly. Had to stop working on it, until I can find a small > and fast randomizer formula. gforth comes with one in random.fs Probably these are enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_congruential_generator > > 64 constant plyrsymbl \ "@" symbol of player > 35 constant wallsymbl \ "#" symbol of wall > 77 constant mnstrsymbl \ "M" symbol of monster > 32 constant mptyspace \ " " empty space > I suggest treating "#@ M#" as an internal data structure and not worrying about whether you'll want to change them later. You have can your page-drawing routing translate them to something else, at that point. I also suggest using CHAR and [CHAR] and BL instead of these literal numbers. It's weird how you have these constants and then have 80, 1999, 25, and such throughout your code. Of your names... mptyspace plyrsymbl mnsterpos scrnarry I worry that if I use gentle tone that you'll conclude that they're not so bad, so let's just say that you deserve the death penalty for these names. I won't hear any libertarian talk about how you're practicing your naming in the privacy of your own home and aren't harming anyone. You will be made an example of. > \ Let me know if I need to document further or if I am able to > factor things better. Take care now. You document overall usage and every individual word. That documentation is OK enough--but do you see that it's incomplete? One still needs to read your entire program to get a sense of how it actually works. That can be documented also. In general it's alright, and you can make a playable game from this. I've posted similar code, and sokoban.fs (included with gforth), is in this class of programs. sokoban.fs has an exhaustive (if the bug's fixed--the original code missed a case) pattern-matching movement system that works well with the small number of symbols involved.
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| From | Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 07:07 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <obshl4$m4l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56625 |
On 03/04/2017 6:38, Julian Fondren wrote: ... > Of your names... > > mptyspace > plyrsymbl > mnsterpos > scrnarry > > I worry that if I use gentle tone that you'll conclude that they're > not so bad, so let's just say that you deserve the death penalty for > these names. I won't hear any libertarian talk about how you're > practicing your naming in the privacy of your own home and aren't > harming anyone. You will be made an example of. Julian: Darren already mentioned he has trouble discerning humor from serious discussion... Darren: your variable names are much better than "x", "x1", "x2" etc. that people often use. That said, you should give thought to readability for your future use. "empty_space" is better than "mptyspace", for instance.
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 00:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obsici$m76$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #56626 |
Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> Wrote in message: > > > On 03/04/2017 6:38, Julian Fondren wrote: > ... >> Of your names... >> >> mptyspace >> plyrsymbl >> mnsterpos >> scrnarry >> >> I worry that if I use gentle tone that you'll conclude that they're >> not so bad, so let's just say that you deserve the death penalty for >> these names. I won't hear any libertarian talk about how you're >> practicing your naming in the privacy of your own home and aren't >> harming anyone. You will be made an example of. > > Julian: Darren already mentioned he has trouble discerning humor from > serious discussion... > > Darren: your variable names are much better than "x", "x1", "x2" etc. > that people often use. That said, you should give thought to > readability for your future use. > > "empty_space" is better than "mptyspace", for instance. > Thanks Ron, and you and Julian are right. I usually do use longer more clearer names, but have always been told I'm too verbose, so I've been trying to shrink things down. He, he, he. Well looks like I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. LOL!!! Take care now. -- Darin Murphy ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
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| From | Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 07:41 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <obsjjn$q4b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56628 |
On 04/03/17 07:17, Darin Murphy wrote: > Thanks Ron, and you and Julian are right. I usually do use longer > more clearer names, but have always been told I'm too verbose, so > I've been trying to shrink things down. I can only say that when I return to code after a few months, it can take longer to understand it than it did to originally write it, if I didn't use a self-documenting code style. So since the compiler doesn't care how long the identifiers are, and if you use a good text-editor it likewise won't make a difference, you should always prefer more descriptive identifiers (both for function/word names as well as variables).
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-07 20:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8001ab46-32d5-4510-9a94-c9428ab296c8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #56626 |
On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 9:07:54 PM UTC-7, Ron Aaron wrote: > On 03/04/2017 6:38, Julian Fondren wrote: > ... > > Of your names... > > > > mptyspace > > plyrsymbl > > mnsterpos > > scrnarry > > > > I worry that if I use gentle tone that you'll conclude that they're > > not so bad, so let's just say that you deserve the death penalty for > > these names. I won't hear any libertarian talk about how you're > > practicing your naming in the privacy of your own home and aren't > > harming anyone. You will be made an example of. > > Julian: Darren already mentioned he has trouble discerning humor from > serious discussion... Both Julien Fondren and Ron Aaron have made death threats against me in the past, which I didn't find humorous. ANS-Forth is a cult. Elizabeth Rather is totally focused on loyalty. If a person is loyal --- and Julien Fondren is extremely loyal --- then she is totally okay with grossly offensive behavior, including death threats.
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-04-03 00:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obsi9b$m6l$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #56625 |
Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> Wrote in message: > On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 9:46:37 PM UTC-5, Darin Murphy wrote: >> \ Eventually it will have monsters spinkled over the arena and >> everytime the player fights one by ramming >> \ into it they will get a score and can die if the monster hurts >> them too much. Fights will be determined >> \ randomly. Had to stop working on it, until I can find a small >> and fast randomizer formula. > > gforth comes with one in random.fs > > Probably these are enough: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_congruential_generator > >> >> 64 constant plyrsymbl \ "@" symbol of player >> 35 constant wallsymbl \ "#" symbol of wall >> 77 constant mnstrsymbl \ "M" symbol of monster >> 32 constant mptyspace \ " " empty space >> > > I suggest treating "#@ M#" as an internal data structure and not > worrying about whether you'll want to change them later. You have can > your page-drawing routing translate them to something else, at that > point. > > I also suggest using CHAR and [CHAR] and BL instead of these literal > numbers. > > It's weird how you have these constants and then have 80, 1999, 25, > and such throughout your code. > > > > Of your names... > > mptyspace > plyrsymbl > mnsterpos > scrnarry > > I worry that if I use gentle tone that you'll conclude that they're > not so bad, so let's just say that you deserve the death penalty for > these names. I won't hear any libertarian talk about how you're > practicing your naming in the privacy of your own home and aren't > harming anyone. You will be made an example of. > >> \ Let me know if I need to document further or if I am able to >> factor things better. Take care now. > > You document overall usage and every individual word. That > documentation is OK enough--but do you see that it's incomplete? One > still needs to read your entire program to get a sense of how it > actually works. That can be documented also. > > In general it's alright, and you can make a playable game from this. > I've posted similar code, and sokoban.fs (included with gforth), is in > this class of programs. sokoban.fs has an exhaustive (if the bug's > fixed--the original code missed a case) pattern-matching movement > system that works well with the small number of symbols involved. > Thank you Julian for your honesty and suggestions. Would you give me some examples of the names you would suggest being more acceptable? My experiences have been with C-like abrievations, which are even more cryptic then mine, so I am still learning about how Forther's create them. The reason I used the numbers mentioned instead of variables or constants was because the program is small enough I didn't need to worry about keeping track of them. if those numbers were going to be used more often or being changed for different console resolutions (45x100, 65x120, etc.,), then I would have created variables to hold them near the top of the program so that other programmers would have found them easy enough to change if needed. Your right about the code needs to be self documenting, and I will work on improving it's readability in the future, but just unlearning old C-like habits and learning more literate programming ones. Take care now, -- Darin Murphy ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
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