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  Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 14:42 -0400
    Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 15:37 -0400
    Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 22:37 -0400
      Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2017-03-27 15:27 +0200
        Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 10:56 -0400
    Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 16:24 -0400
      Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-25 15:33 -0500
        Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 17:23 -0400
          Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-25 17:32 -0500
            Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 03:09 -0400
              Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 02:50 -0700
                Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 07:56 -0400
                  Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-26 11:04 -0700
                Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-26 13:24 -0500
                  Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-26 14:45 -0400
                    Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-26 14:16 -0500
                    Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-26 14:53 -0500
                      Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 02:16 -0700
                      Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 12:51 -0400
                        Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 12:56 -0400
                          Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-29 12:24 -0500
                        Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-29 12:32 -0500
                          Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 14:15 -0400
              Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-26 13:44 -0500
      Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-25 14:42 -0700
        Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup john <anon@example.com> - 2017-05-03 11:30 +0100
    Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-26 13:56 -0500
      Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 16:29 -0400
        Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-31 16:49 -0500
          Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 18:16 -0400
    Re: Mecrisp Forth Startup rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 13:19 -0400

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#56198 — Mecrisp Forth Startup

I recall a couple of years ago I worked with Mecrisp Forth on a TI ARM 
launchpad.  The hardest part was just getting the durn thing installed 
and all the support on the PC working.  Now I want to use an MSP430 
target (it has a built in display) and I am having exactly the same sort 
of problems.

Aside from the issues of TI having somewhat fragmented documentation (or 
maybe I just can't follow instructions in my dotage) I never got the USB 
driver installed under Windows 8 (or was that on my Vista machine?)  To 
make it work back then I ended up using a raspberry pi as a remote 
target interface.  It worked, I got the work done and all was well.  But 
it left a bad taste in my mouth, mostly from the problems getting the TI 
tools to let me burn the Mecrisp image to the target but also the lack 
of documentation surrounding Mecrisp.

This time it is like a trip down déjà vu lane (although it is more like 
déjà vécu, having lived through it before).  I don't know if I will have 
problems installing the emulator driver because I can't download it. 
The TI site has a form you must fill out to assure you are not going to 
ship the tool to an export controlled country.  I do that and click all 
the buttons on the next two pages, but a download never happens.  I've 
tried two browsers so I'm pretty sure it is the TI site.

I finally found a TI web page that supports flashing the board and even 
flashed the flash tool!  So I can install Mecrisp now, but I still need 
to figure out what I need to do to talk to it.  That at least is pretty 
well documented in the readme file.  It looks like the command line is 
connected to the serial port that goes through the emulator interface.  :)

-- 

Rick C

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#56201

On 3/23/2017 2:42 PM, rickman wrote:
> I recall a couple of years ago I worked with Mecrisp Forth on a TI ARM
> launchpad.  The hardest part was just getting the durn thing installed
> and all the support on the PC working.  Now I want to use an MSP430
> target (it has a built in display) and I am having exactly the same sort
> of problems.
>
> Aside from the issues of TI having somewhat fragmented documentation (or
> maybe I just can't follow instructions in my dotage) I never got the USB
> driver installed under Windows 8 (or was that on my Vista machine?)  To
> make it work back then I ended up using a raspberry pi as a remote
> target interface.  It worked, I got the work done and all was well.  But
> it left a bad taste in my mouth, mostly from the problems getting the TI
> tools to let me burn the Mecrisp image to the target but also the lack
> of documentation surrounding Mecrisp.
>
> This time it is like a trip down déjà vu lane (although it is more like
> déjà vécu, having lived through it before).  I don't know if I will have
> problems installing the emulator driver because I can't download it. The
> TI site has a form you must fill out to assure you are not going to ship
> the tool to an export controlled country.  I do that and click all the
> buttons on the next two pages, but a download never happens.  I've tried
> two browsers so I'm pretty sure it is the TI site.
>
> I finally found a TI web page that supports flashing the board and even
> flashed the flash tool!  So I can install Mecrisp now, but I still need
> to figure out what I need to do to talk to it.  That at least is pretty
> well documented in the readme file.  It looks like the command line is
> connected to the serial port that goes through the emulator interface.  :)

I got an email about this.  Someone else was able to download the file 
just fine.  So I tried it with a third browser and it worked.  What are 
the odds?

This stuff can drive you nuts!  So, right now I am focusing on the sound 
of the dove outside.

-- 

Rick C

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#56213

Notwithstanding the issues I had with TI in finding good information on 
setting up and using their tools, the rest of getting Mecrisp up on the 
MSP-EXP430FR4133 board was easy.  I had PuTTY already installed to talk 
to the serial port (even though that has some issues coping with the 
adjustments I've made to accommodate a laptop screen, the "do it" button 
is very nearly out of the dialog box!).  Mecrisp uses the "application" 
UART provided by the built in debugger (although the Mecrisp readme file 
could state this rather than giving pin numbers which then have to be 
traced on a hard to read schematic).  So it all just worked.

There don't seem to be any built in support for the LCD on the board. 
So I guess I'll have to write that myself and can donate it back to the 
Mecrisp base if I can figure out how to do that.  So now I need to check 
out some of the details of using the MSP430 under Mecrisp.  :)

Anyone know if there is a Mecrisp user group?  I wonder if it would be 
useful to start a Yahoo group for this if there isn't one already?

-- 

Rick C

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#56383

Hi Rick,

I am not too often on c.l.f, but occassionally I have a look.

> There don't seem to be any built in support for the LCD on the board.

Here is it: mecrisp-2.0.5/launchpad-fr4133/display.txt

> Anyone know if there is a Mecrisp user group?  I wonder if it would be 
> useful to start a Yahoo group for this if there isn't one already?

There used to be a mailing list, but after two years of silence,
I deleted it. Nowadays Mecrisp users meet at the Jeelabs forum:

http://jeelabs.net/projects/cafe/boards/

Matthias

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#56387

On 3/27/2017 9:27 AM, Matthias Koch wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> I am not too often on c.l.f, but occassionally I have a look.
>
>> There don't seem to be any built in support for the LCD on the board.
>
> Here is it: mecrisp-2.0.5/launchpad-fr4133/display.txt

Thanks, I found that eventually.  I had originally only looked for it in 
the binary load.  Lots of constants I see.  I'll need to learn how the 
peripheral on the chip works.


>> Anyone know if there is a Mecrisp user group?  I wonder if it would be
>> useful to start a Yahoo group for this if there isn't one already?
>
> There used to be a mailing list, but after two years of silence,
> I deleted it. Nowadays Mecrisp users meet at the Jeelabs forum:
>
> http://jeelabs.net/projects/cafe/boards/

Interesting site.

-- 

Rick C

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#56292

I created a Yahoo group for Mecrisp users.  If you are using Mecrisp or 
are interested in using Mecrisp you can discuss your project, usage and 
ideas at the link below.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MecrispForth/info

I'm thinking not all Mecrisp users use c.l.f.  Now all I have to do is 
reach them.  lol

-- 

Rick C

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#56293

On 3/25/2017 3:24 PM, rickman wrote:
> I created a Yahoo group for Mecrisp users.  If you are using Mecrisp or
> are interested in using Mecrisp you can discuss your project, usage and
> ideas at the link below.
>
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MecrispForth/info
>
> I'm thinking not all Mecrisp users use c.l.f.  Now all I have to do is
> reach them.  lol
>

Big mistake not requiring members to be approved, you are going to get 
spammers.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#56296

On 3/25/2017 4:33 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> On 3/25/2017 3:24 PM, rickman wrote:
>> I created a Yahoo group for Mecrisp users.  If you are using Mecrisp or
>> are interested in using Mecrisp you can discuss your project, usage and
>> ideas at the link below.
>>
>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MecrispForth/info
>>
>> I'm thinking not all Mecrisp users use c.l.f.  Now all I have to do is
>> reach them.  lol
>>
>
> Big mistake not requiring members to be approved, you are going to get
> spammers.

Thank you for that reminder.  I don't approve new members, but new 
members' posts will be moderated until they are shown to not be 
spammers.  I don't think we will have much trouble with members needing 
moderation other than excluding spammers.  I'm not interested in the 
work of moderating.  I don't expect this group to attract too many 
members, but you never know.

-- 

Rick C

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#56302

On 3/25/2017 4:23 PM, rickman wrote:
> On 3/25/2017 4:33 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>> On 3/25/2017 3:24 PM, rickman wrote:
>>> I created a Yahoo group for Mecrisp users.  If you are using Mecrisp or
>>> are interested in using Mecrisp you can discuss your project, usage and
>>> ideas at the link below.
>>>
>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MecrispForth/info
>>>
>>> I'm thinking not all Mecrisp users use c.l.f.  Now all I have to do is
>>> reach them.  lol
>>>
>>
>> Big mistake not requiring members to be approved, you are going to get
>> spammers.
>
> Thank you for that reminder.  I don't approve new members, but new
> members' posts will be moderated until they are shown to not be
> spammers.  I don't think we will have much trouble with members needing
> moderation other than excluding spammers.  I'm not interested in the
> work of moderating.  I don't expect this group to attract too many
> members, but you never know.
>

Moderating is not difficult, but spammers left on their own will create 
many accounts and then bombard the list with spam, one can't delete them 
quickly enough if the can create a new account without any barriers.

Time will tell, I have belonged to groups that were rendered useless 
until the owners started moderating new user comments and new accounts. 
I'm one of the owners of a list with over 10000 members and its not bad 
to keep an eye on things.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#56323

On 3/25/2017 6:32 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> On 3/25/2017 4:23 PM, rickman wrote:
>> On 3/25/2017 4:33 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2017 3:24 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>> I created a Yahoo group for Mecrisp users.  If you are using Mecrisp or
>>>> are interested in using Mecrisp you can discuss your project, usage and
>>>> ideas at the link below.
>>>>
>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MecrispForth/info
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking not all Mecrisp users use c.l.f.  Now all I have to do is
>>>> reach them.  lol
>>>>
>>>
>>> Big mistake not requiring members to be approved, you are going to get
>>> spammers.
>>
>> Thank you for that reminder.  I don't approve new members, but new
>> members' posts will be moderated until they are shown to not be
>> spammers.  I don't think we will have much trouble with members needing
>> moderation other than excluding spammers.  I'm not interested in the
>> work of moderating.  I don't expect this group to attract too many
>> members, but you never know.
>>
>
> Moderating is not difficult, but spammers left on their own will create
> many accounts and then bombard the list with spam, one can't delete them
> quickly enough if the can create a new account without any barriers.
>
> Time will tell, I have belonged to groups that were rendered useless
> until the owners started moderating new user comments and new accounts.
> I'm one of the owners of a list with over 10000 members and its not bad
> to keep an eye on things.

I already explained to you that I have moderation on new members.  I 
have a dozen Yahoo groups that work this way and hardly hear from 
spammers.  When they realize their posts will be moderated they go away. 
  I even took over a group that was dead from spammers.  I turned on 
moderation on new members and killed any existing members who spammed. 
After a while the spamming all stopped and even the new attempts dropped 
off to nearly nothing.

I will say that over the years most of the groups have gone into disuse. 
  Mostly because the topics have become less interesting or obsolete.  I 
have an ArmForth group that is essentially visited by one poster who 
simply uploads his work to the files section.  He never really documents 
his work so not many people utilize it, but some do.  Once in a while 
someone asks a question about his stuff and I don't think I've seen a 
reply.

I'm hoping the Mecrisp group will have a bit more success.  I'd like to 
see Mecrisp acquire more documentation.  Some of that can come from 
conversations about what people find hard to use or understand.

-- 

Rick C

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#56334

On Sunday, 26 March 2017 08:09:22 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
> On 3/25/2017 6:32 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> > On 3/25/2017 4:23 PM, rickman wrote:
> >> On 3/25/2017 4:33 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> >>> On 3/25/2017 3:24 PM, rickman wrote:
> >>>> I created a Yahoo group for Mecrisp users.  If you are using Mecrisp or
> >>>> are interested in using Mecrisp you can discuss your project, usage and
> >>>> ideas at the link below.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MecrispForth/info
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm thinking not all Mecrisp users use c.l.f.  Now all I have to do is
> >>>> reach them.  lol
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Big mistake not requiring members to be approved, you are going to get
> >>> spammers.
> >>
> >> Thank you for that reminder.  I don't approve new members, but new
> >> members' posts will be moderated until they are shown to not be
> >> spammers.  I don't think we will have much trouble with members needing
> >> moderation other than excluding spammers.  I'm not interested in the
> >> work of moderating.  I don't expect this group to attract too many
> >> members, but you never know.
> >>
> >
> > Moderating is not difficult, but spammers left on their own will create
> > many accounts and then bombard the list with spam, one can't delete them
> > quickly enough if the can create a new account without any barriers.
> >
> > Time will tell, I have belonged to groups that were rendered useless
> > until the owners started moderating new user comments and new accounts.
> > I'm one of the owners of a list with over 10000 members and its not bad
> > to keep an eye on things.
> 
> I already explained to you that I have moderation on new members.  I 
> have a dozen Yahoo groups that work this way and hardly hear from 
> spammers.  When they realize their posts will be moderated they go away. 
>   I even took over a group that was dead from spammers.  I turned on 
> moderation on new members and killed any existing members who spammed. 
> After a while the spamming all stopped and even the new attempts dropped 
> off to nearly nothing.
> 
> I will say that over the years most of the groups have gone into disuse. 
>   Mostly because the topics have become less interesting or obsolete.  I 
> have an ArmForth group that is essentially visited by one poster who 
> simply uploads his work to the files section.  He never really documents 
> his work so not many people utilize it, but some do.  Once in a while 
> someone asks a question about his stuff and I don't think I've seen a 
> reply.
> 
> I'm hoping the Mecrisp group will have a bit more success.  I'd like to 
> see Mecrisp acquire more documentation.  Some of that can come from 
> conversations about what people find hard to use or understand.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

Couldn't you set it up on Google groups instead? World+Dog has a google
account, but we're all trying to get away from Yahoo, running and screaming!

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#56337

On 3/26/2017 5:50 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
> On Sunday, 26 March 2017 08:09:22 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
>> On 3/25/2017 6:32 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2017 4:23 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>> On 3/25/2017 4:33 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>>>> On 3/25/2017 3:24 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>>>> I created a Yahoo group for Mecrisp users.  If you are using Mecrisp or
>>>>>> are interested in using Mecrisp you can discuss your project, usage and
>>>>>> ideas at the link below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MecrispForth/info
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking not all Mecrisp users use c.l.f.  Now all I have to do is
>>>>>> reach them.  lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Big mistake not requiring members to be approved, you are going to get
>>>>> spammers.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for that reminder.  I don't approve new members, but new
>>>> members' posts will be moderated until they are shown to not be
>>>> spammers.  I don't think we will have much trouble with members needing
>>>> moderation other than excluding spammers.  I'm not interested in the
>>>> work of moderating.  I don't expect this group to attract too many
>>>> members, but you never know.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Moderating is not difficult, but spammers left on their own will create
>>> many accounts and then bombard the list with spam, one can't delete them
>>> quickly enough if the can create a new account without any barriers.
>>>
>>> Time will tell, I have belonged to groups that were rendered useless
>>> until the owners started moderating new user comments and new accounts.
>>> I'm one of the owners of a list with over 10000 members and its not bad
>>> to keep an eye on things.
>>
>> I already explained to you that I have moderation on new members.  I
>> have a dozen Yahoo groups that work this way and hardly hear from
>> spammers.  When they realize their posts will be moderated they go away.
>>   I even took over a group that was dead from spammers.  I turned on
>> moderation on new members and killed any existing members who spammed.
>> After a while the spamming all stopped and even the new attempts dropped
>> off to nearly nothing.
>>
>> I will say that over the years most of the groups have gone into disuse.
>>   Mostly because the topics have become less interesting or obsolete.  I
>> have an ArmForth group that is essentially visited by one poster who
>> simply uploads his work to the files section.  He never really documents
>> his work so not many people utilize it, but some do.  Once in a while
>> someone asks a question about his stuff and I don't think I've seen a
>> reply.
>>
>> I'm hoping the Mecrisp group will have a bit more success.  I'd like to
>> see Mecrisp acquire more documentation.  Some of that can come from
>> conversations about what people find hard to use or understand.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rick C
>
> Couldn't you set it up on Google groups instead? World+Dog has a google
> account, but we're all trying to get away from Yahoo, running and screaming!

I haven't used Google groups in years.  What is so great about Google 
groups?

-- 

Rick C

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#56346

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
> I haven't used Google groups in years.  What is so great about Google
> groups?

Blecch, it puts you under the google octopus.  If you've got to use a
huge media site, I'd suggest Reddit.

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#56347

On 3/26/2017 4:50 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
> On Sunday, 26 March 2017 08:09:22 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
>> On 3/25/2017 6:32 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2017 4:23 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>> On 3/25/2017 4:33 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>>>> On 3/25/2017 3:24 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>>>> I created a Yahoo group for Mecrisp users.  If you are using Mecrisp or
>>>>>> are interested in using Mecrisp you can discuss your project, usage and
>>>>>> ideas at the link below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MecrispForth/info
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking not all Mecrisp users use c.l.f.  Now all I have to do is
>>>>>> reach them.  lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Big mistake not requiring members to be approved, you are going to get
>>>>> spammers.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for that reminder.  I don't approve new members, but new
>>>> members' posts will be moderated until they are shown to not be
>>>> spammers.  I don't think we will have much trouble with members needing
>>>> moderation other than excluding spammers.  I'm not interested in the
>>>> work of moderating.  I don't expect this group to attract too many
>>>> members, but you never know.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Moderating is not difficult, but spammers left on their own will create
>>> many accounts and then bombard the list with spam, one can't delete them
>>> quickly enough if the can create a new account without any barriers.
>>>
>>> Time will tell, I have belonged to groups that were rendered useless
>>> until the owners started moderating new user comments and new accounts.
>>> I'm one of the owners of a list with over 10000 members and its not bad
>>> to keep an eye on things.
>>
>> I already explained to you that I have moderation on new members.  I
>> have a dozen Yahoo groups that work this way and hardly hear from
>> spammers.  When they realize their posts will be moderated they go away.
>>   I even took over a group that was dead from spammers.  I turned on
>> moderation on new members and killed any existing members who spammed.
>> After a while the spamming all stopped and even the new attempts dropped
>> off to nearly nothing.
>>
>> I will say that over the years most of the groups have gone into disuse.
>>   Mostly because the topics have become less interesting or obsolete.  I
>> have an ArmForth group that is essentially visited by one poster who
>> simply uploads his work to the files section.  He never really documents
>> his work so not many people utilize it, but some do.  Once in a while
>> someone asks a question about his stuff and I don't think I've seen a
>> reply.
>>
>> I'm hoping the Mecrisp group will have a bit more success.  I'd like to
>> see Mecrisp acquire more documentation.  Some of that can come from
>> conversations about what people find hard to use or understand.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rick C
>
> Couldn't you set it up on Google groups instead? World+Dog has a google
> account, but we're all trying to get away from Yahoo, running and screaming!
>

I have a group on groups.io and it's a pleasure to work with it, it's 
very responsive.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#56349

On 3/26/2017 2:24 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> On 3/26/2017 4:50 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
>> On Sunday, 26 March 2017 08:09:22 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2017 6:32 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>>> On 3/25/2017 4:23 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>>> On 3/25/2017 4:33 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/25/2017 3:24 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>>>>> I created a Yahoo group for Mecrisp users.  If you are using
>>>>>>> Mecrisp or
>>>>>>> are interested in using Mecrisp you can discuss your project,
>>>>>>> usage and
>>>>>>> ideas at the link below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MecrispForth/info
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm thinking not all Mecrisp users use c.l.f.  Now all I have to
>>>>>>> do is
>>>>>>> reach them.  lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Big mistake not requiring members to be approved, you are going to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> spammers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for that reminder.  I don't approve new members, but new
>>>>> members' posts will be moderated until they are shown to not be
>>>>> spammers.  I don't think we will have much trouble with members
>>>>> needing
>>>>> moderation other than excluding spammers.  I'm not interested in the
>>>>> work of moderating.  I don't expect this group to attract too many
>>>>> members, but you never know.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Moderating is not difficult, but spammers left on their own will create
>>>> many accounts and then bombard the list with spam, one can't delete
>>>> them
>>>> quickly enough if the can create a new account without any barriers.
>>>>
>>>> Time will tell, I have belonged to groups that were rendered useless
>>>> until the owners started moderating new user comments and new accounts.
>>>> I'm one of the owners of a list with over 10000 members and its not bad
>>>> to keep an eye on things.
>>>
>>> I already explained to you that I have moderation on new members.  I
>>> have a dozen Yahoo groups that work this way and hardly hear from
>>> spammers.  When they realize their posts will be moderated they go away.
>>>   I even took over a group that was dead from spammers.  I turned on
>>> moderation on new members and killed any existing members who spammed.
>>> After a while the spamming all stopped and even the new attempts dropped
>>> off to nearly nothing.
>>>
>>> I will say that over the years most of the groups have gone into disuse.
>>>   Mostly because the topics have become less interesting or obsolete.  I
>>> have an ArmForth group that is essentially visited by one poster who
>>> simply uploads his work to the files section.  He never really documents
>>> his work so not many people utilize it, but some do.  Once in a while
>>> someone asks a question about his stuff and I don't think I've seen a
>>> reply.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping the Mecrisp group will have a bit more success.  I'd like to
>>> see Mecrisp acquire more documentation.  Some of that can come from
>>> conversations about what people find hard to use or understand.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Rick C
>>
>> Couldn't you set it up on Google groups instead? World+Dog has a google
>> account, but we're all trying to get away from Yahoo, running and
>> screaming!
>>
>
> I have a group on groups.io and it's a pleasure to work with it, it's
> very responsive.

I'll look into this, but the Yahoo group is up and I'm not interested in 
putting a lot of time into running a group.   If you would like to 
create a group on group.io and I don't find it a PITA, I would be happy 
to let you run the group.

I met Terry Porter on an IRC chat, server : irc.freenode.net; channel: 
##tech40+.  He has started an online documentation page for Mecrisp.  He 
is big on the STM32 line and has done a pretty good job of documenting 
that.  I plan to help document on his site the boards I am using, the 
MSP-EXP430FR4133 launchpad and the TI/Stellaris launchpad.  I also have 
a couple of STM32 boards, but they are still in the packages and have no 
display.

Anyone who would like to work with Mecrisp should check out his docs page.

http://128.199.141.78/index.html

He has also written a program that reads a standard ARM register 
description file and spits out an include file in Forth defining all the 
registers and fields with standard names.  I believe this is what 
Matthias is using in his programs.

-- 

Rick C

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#56352

On 3/26/2017 1:45 PM, rickman wrote:
> On 3/26/2017 2:24 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>> On 3/26/2017 4:50 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 26 March 2017 08:09:22 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
>>>> On 3/25/2017 6:32 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>>>> On 3/25/2017 4:23 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/25/2017 4:33 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/25/2017 3:24 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>>>>>> I created a Yahoo group for Mecrisp users.  If you are using
>>>>>>>> Mecrisp or
>>>>>>>> are interested in using Mecrisp you can discuss your project,
>>>>>>>> usage and
>>>>>>>> ideas at the link below.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MecrispForth/info
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm thinking not all Mecrisp users use c.l.f.  Now all I have to
>>>>>>>> do is
>>>>>>>> reach them.  lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Big mistake not requiring members to be approved, you are going to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> spammers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for that reminder.  I don't approve new members, but new
>>>>>> members' posts will be moderated until they are shown to not be
>>>>>> spammers.  I don't think we will have much trouble with members
>>>>>> needing
>>>>>> moderation other than excluding spammers.  I'm not interested in the
>>>>>> work of moderating.  I don't expect this group to attract too many
>>>>>> members, but you never know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Moderating is not difficult, but spammers left on their own will
>>>>> create
>>>>> many accounts and then bombard the list with spam, one can't delete
>>>>> them
>>>>> quickly enough if the can create a new account without any barriers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time will tell, I have belonged to groups that were rendered useless
>>>>> until the owners started moderating new user comments and new
>>>>> accounts.
>>>>> I'm one of the owners of a list with over 10000 members and its not
>>>>> bad
>>>>> to keep an eye on things.
>>>>
>>>> I already explained to you that I have moderation on new members.  I
>>>> have a dozen Yahoo groups that work this way and hardly hear from
>>>> spammers.  When they realize their posts will be moderated they go
>>>> away.
>>>>   I even took over a group that was dead from spammers.  I turned on
>>>> moderation on new members and killed any existing members who spammed.
>>>> After a while the spamming all stopped and even the new attempts
>>>> dropped
>>>> off to nearly nothing.
>>>>
>>>> I will say that over the years most of the groups have gone into
>>>> disuse.
>>>>   Mostly because the topics have become less interesting or
>>>> obsolete.  I
>>>> have an ArmForth group that is essentially visited by one poster who
>>>> simply uploads his work to the files section.  He never really
>>>> documents
>>>> his work so not many people utilize it, but some do.  Once in a while
>>>> someone asks a question about his stuff and I don't think I've seen a
>>>> reply.
>>>>
>>>> I'm hoping the Mecrisp group will have a bit more success.  I'd like to
>>>> see Mecrisp acquire more documentation.  Some of that can come from
>>>> conversations about what people find hard to use or understand.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Rick C
>>>
>>> Couldn't you set it up on Google groups instead? World+Dog has a google
>>> account, but we're all trying to get away from Yahoo, running and
>>> screaming!
>>>
>>
>> I have a group on groups.io and it's a pleasure to work with it, it's
>> very responsive.
>
> I'll look into this, but the Yahoo group is up and I'm not interested in
> putting a lot of time into running a group.   If you would like to
> create a group on group.io and I don't find it a PITA, I would be happy
> to let you run the group.
>
> I met Terry Porter on an IRC chat, server : irc.freenode.net; channel:
> ##tech40+.  He has started an online documentation page for Mecrisp.  He
> is big on the STM32 line and has done a pretty good job of documenting
> that.  I plan to help document on his site the boards I am using, the
> MSP-EXP430FR4133 launchpad and the TI/Stellaris launchpad.  I also have
> a couple of STM32 boards, but they are still in the packages and have no
> display.
>
> Anyone who would like to work with Mecrisp should check out his docs page.
>
> http://128.199.141.78/index.html
>
> He has also written a program that reads a standard ARM register
> description file and spits out an include file in Forth defining all the
> registers and fields with standard names.  I believe this is what
> Matthias is using in his programs.
>

Well one of the advantages of groups.io beside it being very responsive, 
and no Yahoo account needed to join is that they can migrate a Yahoo 
group, comments and users, so it's pretty simple to move even a very 
large group.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#56354

On 3/26/2017 1:45 PM, rickman wrote:
> On 3/26/2017 2:24 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>> On 3/26/2017 4:50 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 26 March 2017 08:09:22 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
>>>> On 3/25/2017 6:32 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>>>> On 3/25/2017 4:23 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/25/2017 4:33 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/25/2017 3:24 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>>>>>> I created a Yahoo group for Mecrisp users.  If you are using
>>>>>>>> Mecrisp or
>>>>>>>> are interested in using Mecrisp you can discuss your project,
>>>>>>>> usage and
>>>>>>>> ideas at the link below.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MecrispForth/info
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm thinking not all Mecrisp users use c.l.f.  Now all I have to
>>>>>>>> do is
>>>>>>>> reach them.  lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Big mistake not requiring members to be approved, you are going to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> spammers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for that reminder.  I don't approve new members, but new
>>>>>> members' posts will be moderated until they are shown to not be
>>>>>> spammers.  I don't think we will have much trouble with members
>>>>>> needing
>>>>>> moderation other than excluding spammers.  I'm not interested in the
>>>>>> work of moderating.  I don't expect this group to attract too many
>>>>>> members, but you never know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Moderating is not difficult, but spammers left on their own will
>>>>> create
>>>>> many accounts and then bombard the list with spam, one can't delete
>>>>> them
>>>>> quickly enough if the can create a new account without any barriers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time will tell, I have belonged to groups that were rendered useless
>>>>> until the owners started moderating new user comments and new
>>>>> accounts.
>>>>> I'm one of the owners of a list with over 10000 members and its not
>>>>> bad
>>>>> to keep an eye on things.
>>>>
>>>> I already explained to you that I have moderation on new members.  I
>>>> have a dozen Yahoo groups that work this way and hardly hear from
>>>> spammers.  When they realize their posts will be moderated they go
>>>> away.
>>>>   I even took over a group that was dead from spammers.  I turned on
>>>> moderation on new members and killed any existing members who spammed.
>>>> After a while the spamming all stopped and even the new attempts
>>>> dropped
>>>> off to nearly nothing.
>>>>
>>>> I will say that over the years most of the groups have gone into
>>>> disuse.
>>>>   Mostly because the topics have become less interesting or
>>>> obsolete.  I
>>>> have an ArmForth group that is essentially visited by one poster who
>>>> simply uploads his work to the files section.  He never really
>>>> documents
>>>> his work so not many people utilize it, but some do.  Once in a while
>>>> someone asks a question about his stuff and I don't think I've seen a
>>>> reply.
>>>>
>>>> I'm hoping the Mecrisp group will have a bit more success.  I'd like to
>>>> see Mecrisp acquire more documentation.  Some of that can come from
>>>> conversations about what people find hard to use or understand.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Rick C
>>>
>>> Couldn't you set it up on Google groups instead? World+Dog has a google
>>> account, but we're all trying to get away from Yahoo, running and
>>> screaming!
>>>
>>
>> I have a group on groups.io and it's a pleasure to work with it, it's
>> very responsive.
>
> I'll look into this, but the Yahoo group is up and I'm not interested in
> putting a lot of time into running a group.   If you would like to
> create a group on group.io and I don't find it a PITA, I would be happy
> to let you run the group.
>
> I met Terry Porter on an IRC chat, server : irc.freenode.net; channel:
> ##tech40+.  He has started an online documentation page for Mecrisp.  He
> is big on the STM32 line and has done a pretty good job of documenting
> that.  I plan to help document on his site the boards I am using, the
> MSP-EXP430FR4133 launchpad and the TI/Stellaris launchpad.  I also have
> a couple of STM32 boards, but they are still in the packages and have no
> display.
>
> Anyone who would like to work with Mecrisp should check out his docs page.
>
> http://128.199.141.78/index.html
>
> He has also written a program that reads a standard ARM register
> description file and spits out an include file in Forth defining all the
> registers and fields with standard names.  I believe this is what
> Matthias is using in his programs.
>
I created a group at group.io you can take a look at it;

<  https://groups.io/g/mecrispforth  >

Let me know so I can either migrate the Yahoo group over or delete the 
group.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#56376

On Sunday, 26 March 2017 20:53:09 UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa  wrote:
> On 3/26/2017 1:45 PM, rickman wrote:
> > On 3/26/2017 2:24 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> >> On 3/26/2017 4:50 AM, Mark Wills wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, 26 March 2017 08:09:22 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
> >>>> On 3/25/2017 6:32 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> >>>>> On 3/25/2017 4:23 PM, rickman wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/25/2017 4:33 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 3/25/2017 3:24 PM, rickman wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I created a Yahoo group for Mecrisp users.  If you are using
> >>>>>>>> Mecrisp or
> >>>>>>>> are interested in using Mecrisp you can discuss your project,
> >>>>>>>> usage and
> >>>>>>>> ideas at the link below.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MecrispForth/info
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm thinking not all Mecrisp users use c.l.f.  Now all I have to
> >>>>>>>> do is
> >>>>>>>> reach them.  lol
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Big mistake not requiring members to be approved, you are going to
> >>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>> spammers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you for that reminder.  I don't approve new members, but new
> >>>>>> members' posts will be moderated until they are shown to not be
> >>>>>> spammers.  I don't think we will have much trouble with members
> >>>>>> needing
> >>>>>> moderation other than excluding spammers.  I'm not interested in the
> >>>>>> work of moderating.  I don't expect this group to attract too many
> >>>>>> members, but you never know.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Moderating is not difficult, but spammers left on their own will
> >>>>> create
> >>>>> many accounts and then bombard the list with spam, one can't delete
> >>>>> them
> >>>>> quickly enough if the can create a new account without any barriers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Time will tell, I have belonged to groups that were rendered useless
> >>>>> until the owners started moderating new user comments and new
> >>>>> accounts.
> >>>>> I'm one of the owners of a list with over 10000 members and its not
> >>>>> bad
> >>>>> to keep an eye on things.
> >>>>
> >>>> I already explained to you that I have moderation on new members.  I
> >>>> have a dozen Yahoo groups that work this way and hardly hear from
> >>>> spammers.  When they realize their posts will be moderated they go
> >>>> away.
> >>>>   I even took over a group that was dead from spammers.  I turned on
> >>>> moderation on new members and killed any existing members who spammed.
> >>>> After a while the spamming all stopped and even the new attempts
> >>>> dropped
> >>>> off to nearly nothing.
> >>>>
> >>>> I will say that over the years most of the groups have gone into
> >>>> disuse.
> >>>>   Mostly because the topics have become less interesting or
> >>>> obsolete.  I
> >>>> have an ArmForth group that is essentially visited by one poster who
> >>>> simply uploads his work to the files section.  He never really
> >>>> documents
> >>>> his work so not many people utilize it, but some do.  Once in a while
> >>>> someone asks a question about his stuff and I don't think I've seen a
> >>>> reply.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm hoping the Mecrisp group will have a bit more success.  I'd like to
> >>>> see Mecrisp acquire more documentation.  Some of that can come from
> >>>> conversations about what people find hard to use or understand.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick C
> >>>
> >>> Couldn't you set it up on Google groups instead? World+Dog has a google
> >>> account, but we're all trying to get away from Yahoo, running and
> >>> screaming!
> >>>
> >>
> >> I have a group on groups.io and it's a pleasure to work with it, it's
> >> very responsive.
> >
> > I'll look into this, but the Yahoo group is up and I'm not interested in
> > putting a lot of time into running a group.   If you would like to
> > create a group on group.io and I don't find it a PITA, I would be happy
> > to let you run the group.
> >
> > I met Terry Porter on an IRC chat, server : irc.freenode.net; channel:
> > ##tech40+.  He has started an online documentation page for Mecrisp.  He
> > is big on the STM32 line and has done a pretty good job of documenting
> > that.  I plan to help document on his site the boards I am using, the
> > MSP-EXP430FR4133 launchpad and the TI/Stellaris launchpad.  I also have
> > a couple of STM32 boards, but they are still in the packages and have no
> > display.
> >
> > Anyone who would like to work with Mecrisp should check out his docs page.
> >
> > http://128.199.141.78/index.html
> >
> > He has also written a program that reads a standard ARM register
> > description file and spits out an include file in Forth defining all the
> > registers and fields with standard names.  I believe this is what
> > Matthias is using in his programs.
> >
> I created a group at group.io you can take a look at it;
> 
> <  https://groups.io/g/mecrispforth  >
> 
> Let me know so I can either migrate the Yahoo group over or delete the 
> group.
> 
> -- 
> Cecil - k5nwa

I joined your group. I like the user interface. No offence to Rickman but
I don't have a lot of confidence that Yahoo Groups will be around much longer!

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#56456

On 3/26/2017 3:53 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>
> I created a group at group.io you can take a look at it;
>
> <  https://groups.io/g/mecrispforth  >
>
> Let me know so I can either migrate the Yahoo group over or delete the
> group.

I joined your group and posted a couple of days ago.  I've yet to see a 
reply.  Do you check the group?

-- 

Rick C

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#56457

On 3/29/2017 12:51 PM, rickman wrote:
> On 3/26/2017 3:53 PM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>>
>> I created a group at group.io you can take a look at it;
>>
>> <  https://groups.io/g/mecrispforth  >
>>
>> Let me know so I can either migrate the Yahoo group over or delete the
>> group.
>
> I joined your group and posted a couple of days ago.  I've yet to see a
> reply.  Do you check the group?

It would appear that as a user I don't have permission to upload any 
files, photos or wiki pages.  At least I can't find any controls to let 
me do any of that.

-- 

Rick C

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