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Re: Novix NB4300 JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-17 23:09 -0800
Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-18 01:35 -0600
Re: Novix NB4300 JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-17 23:43 -0800
Re: Novix NB4300 JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-17 23:48 -0800
Re: Novix NB4300 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 03:28 -0500
Re: Novix NB4300 JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-18 00:37 -0800
Re: Novix NB4300 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-18 10:57 -0800
| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-17 23:09 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Novix NB4300 |
| Message-ID | <ea8ac8c0-36b1-4322-b834-a46583d09747@googlegroups.com> |
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 at 12:37:40 PM UTC, Anton Ertl wrote: > dougatdoughq@gmail.com writes: > >What stuns me is that it looks like there there is *nothing* on the web abo= > >ut the board - almost a complete vaccuum - which is weird. > > It's from before the web. Almost nothing from that time is > represented on the web, unless it is of interest to history fans and > such. Apparently the Novix has escaped the attention of the > retro-computing people; I guess the overlap of these two small niches > is too small. > > - anton > -- > M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html > comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html > New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html > EuroForth 2014: http://www.euroforth.org/ef14/ The NOVIX description in Footsteps In An Empty Valley has just been released as the latest eBook. Written by TING and with a lot of updates. My question now is: What is still in some boxes somewhere regarding this chip - not touched for years: 1. documentation 2. chips 3. boards 4. software 5. applications from then 6. who has knowledge and interest to get it running again. Steve is in the process of trying to implement the chip as IP in his spare time. Similar to what had been done for the FIG-Forth Manual and the 1802 IP If there is possible access to SW and HW on loan - I would give it a scan or take pictures to go with the IP.
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| From | Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-18 01:35 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o88td5$rr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #54959 |
On 2/18/2017 1:09 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 at 12:37:40 PM UTC, Anton Ertl wrote: >> dougatdoughq@gmail.com writes: >>> What stuns me is that it looks like there there is *nothing* on the web abo= >>> ut the board - almost a complete vaccuum - which is weird. >> >> It's from before the web. Almost nothing from that time is >> represented on the web, unless it is of interest to history fans and >> such. Apparently the Novix has escaped the attention of the >> retro-computing people; I guess the overlap of these two small niches >> is too small. >> >> - anton >> -- >> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html >> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html >> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html >> EuroForth 2014: http://www.euroforth.org/ef14/ > > The NOVIX description in Footsteps In An Empty Valley has just been released as the latest eBook. Written by TING and with a lot of updates. > My question now is: What is still in some boxes somewhere regarding this chip - not touched for years: > 1. documentation > 2. chips > 3. boards > 4. software > 5. applications from then > 6. who has knowledge and interest to get it running again. > Steve is in the process of trying to implement the chip as IP in his spare time. Similar to what had been done for the FIG-Forth Manual and the 1802 IP > > If there is possible access to SW and HW on loan - I would give it a scan or take pictures to go with the IP. > I have seen copies of cmForth on the web, it's the Forth that Charles Moore wrote for the Novix. I also know that the Dutch Forth Group has several copies of the hardware and documentation, I was interested and was told they would look into donation one to me but I never heard back again. I hope they do create a FPGA version as I'm interested in that processor. -- Cecil - k5nwa
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-17 23:43 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2e43d4ef-b7c7-4c4f-8122-6bec3fea300a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #54960 |
On Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 7:35:49 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > On 2/18/2017 1:09 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 at 12:37:40 PM UTC, Anton Ertl wrote: > >> dougatdoughq@gmail.com writes: > >>> What stuns me is that it looks like there there is *nothing* on the web abo= > >>> ut the board - almost a complete vaccuum - which is weird. > >> > >> It's from before the web. Almost nothing from that time is > >> represented on the web, unless it is of interest to history fans and > >> such. Apparently the Novix has escaped the attention of the > >> retro-computing people; I guess the overlap of these two small niches > >> is too small. > >> > >> - anton > >> -- > >> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html > >> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html > >> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html > >> EuroForth 2014: http://www.euroforth.org/ef14/ > > > > The NOVIX description in Footsteps In An Empty Valley has just been released as the latest eBook. Written by TING and with a lot of updates. > > My question now is: What is still in some boxes somewhere regarding this chip - not touched for years: > > 1. documentation > > 2. chips > > 3. boards > > 4. software > > 5. applications from then > > 6. who has knowledge and interest to get it running again. > > Steve is in the process of trying to implement the chip as IP in his spare time. Similar to what had been done for the FIG-Forth Manual and the 1802 IP > > > > If there is possible access to SW and HW on loan - I would give it a scan or take pictures to go with the IP. > > > I have seen copies of cmForth on the web, it's the Forth that Charles > Moore wrote for the Novix. > > I also know that the Dutch Forth Group has several copies of the > hardware and documentation, I was interested and was told they would > look into donation one to me but I never heard back again. > > I hope they do create a FPGA version as I'm interested in that processor. > > > -- > Cecil - k5nwa Steve did the 1802 IP to get FIG-Forth running on FPGA, and he is looking into doing a Novix now - and I am interested to see the performance and power consumption of a Novix compared to the MPS430 IP running the same functionality.
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-17 23:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e218ab28-6858-4f87-b837-37defed97a75@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #54960 |
On Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 7:35:49 AM UTC, Cecil - k5nwa wrote: > On 2/18/2017 1:09 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 at 12:37:40 PM UTC, Anton Ertl wrote: > >> dougatdoughq@gmail.com writes: > >>> What stuns me is that it looks like there there is *nothing* on the web abo= > >>> ut the board - almost a complete vaccuum - which is weird. > >> > >> It's from before the web. Almost nothing from that time is > >> represented on the web, unless it is of interest to history fans and > >> such. Apparently the Novix has escaped the attention of the > >> retro-computing people; I guess the overlap of these two small niches > >> is too small. > >> > >> - anton > >> -- > >> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html > >> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html > >> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html > >> EuroForth 2014: http://www.euroforth.org/ef14/ > > > > The NOVIX description in Footsteps In An Empty Valley has just been released as the latest eBook. Written by TING and with a lot of updates. > > My question now is: What is still in some boxes somewhere regarding this chip - not touched for years: > > 1. documentation > > 2. chips > > 3. boards > > 4. software > > 5. applications from then > > 6. who has knowledge and interest to get it running again. > > Steve is in the process of trying to implement the chip as IP in his spare time. Similar to what had been done for the FIG-Forth Manual and the 1802 IP > > > > If there is possible access to SW and HW on loan - I would give it a scan or take pictures to go with the IP. > > > I have seen copies of cmForth on the web, it's the Forth that Charles > Moore wrote for the Novix. > > I also know that the Dutch Forth Group has several copies of the > hardware and documentation, I was interested and was told they would > look into donation one to me but I never heard back again. > > I hope they do create a FPGA version as I'm interested in that processor. > > > -- > Cecil - k5nwa ... and there are loads of cmFORTH screens in the eBook. As Ting was involved at the time - it should be possible to have a complete cmFORTH version.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-18 03:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o890fe$7uk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #54960 |
On 2/18/2017 2:35 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > On 2/18/2017 1:09 AM, JUERGEN wrote: >> On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 at 12:37:40 PM UTC, Anton Ertl wrote: >>> dougatdoughq@gmail.com writes: >>>> What stuns me is that it looks like there there is *nothing* on the >>>> web abo= >>>> ut the board - almost a complete vaccuum - which is weird. >>> >>> It's from before the web. Almost nothing from that time is >>> represented on the web, unless it is of interest to history fans and >>> such. Apparently the Novix has escaped the attention of the >>> retro-computing people; I guess the overlap of these two small niches >>> is too small. >>> >>> - anton >>> -- >>> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html >>> comp.lang.forth FAQs: >>> http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html >>> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html >>> EuroForth 2014: http://www.euroforth.org/ef14/ >> >> The NOVIX description in Footsteps In An Empty Valley has just been >> released as the latest eBook. Written by TING and with a lot of updates. >> My question now is: What is still in some boxes somewhere regarding >> this chip - not touched for years: >> 1. documentation >> 2. chips >> 3. boards >> 4. software >> 5. applications from then >> 6. who has knowledge and interest to get it running again. >> Steve is in the process of trying to implement the chip as IP in his >> spare time. Similar to what had been done for the FIG-Forth Manual >> and the 1802 IP >> >> If there is possible access to SW and HW on loan - I would give it a >> scan or take pictures to go with the IP. >> > I have seen copies of cmForth on the web, it's the Forth that Charles > Moore wrote for the Novix. > > I also know that the Dutch Forth Group has several copies of the > hardware and documentation, I was interested and was told they would > look into donation one to me but I never heard back again. > > I hope they do create a FPGA version as I'm interested in that processor. I would be interested in helping with that. I don't have any docs on the instruction set. I would need something that defines it clearly and completely. -- Rick C
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-18 00:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <910ed272-2c3e-4b1b-969a-68d91aaa7ec8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #54964 |
On Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 8:28:15 AM UTC, rickman wrote: > On 2/18/2017 2:35 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote: > > On 2/18/2017 1:09 AM, JUERGEN wrote: > >> On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 at 12:37:40 PM UTC, Anton Ertl wrote: > >>> dougatdoughq@gmail.com writes: > >>>> What stuns me is that it looks like there there is *nothing* on the > >>>> web abo= > >>>> ut the board - almost a complete vaccuum - which is weird. > >>> > >>> It's from before the web. Almost nothing from that time is > >>> represented on the web, unless it is of interest to history fans and > >>> such. Apparently the Novix has escaped the attention of the > >>> retro-computing people; I guess the overlap of these two small niches > >>> is too small. > >>> > >>> - anton > >>> -- > >>> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html > >>> comp.lang.forth FAQs: > >>> http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html > >>> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html > >>> EuroForth 2014: http://www.euroforth.org/ef14/ > >> > >> The NOVIX description in Footsteps In An Empty Valley has just been > >> released as the latest eBook. Written by TING and with a lot of updates. > >> My question now is: What is still in some boxes somewhere regarding > >> this chip - not touched for years: > >> 1. documentation > >> 2. chips > >> 3. boards > >> 4. software > >> 5. applications from then > >> 6. who has knowledge and interest to get it running again. > >> Steve is in the process of trying to implement the chip as IP in his > >> spare time. Similar to what had been done for the FIG-Forth Manual > >> and the 1802 IP > >> > >> If there is possible access to SW and HW on loan - I would give it a > >> scan or take pictures to go with the IP. > >> > > I have seen copies of cmForth on the web, it's the Forth that Charles > > Moore wrote for the Novix. > > > > I also know that the Dutch Forth Group has several copies of the > > hardware and documentation, I was interested and was told they would > > look into donation one to me but I never heard back again. > > > > I hope they do create a FPGA version as I'm interested in that processor. > > I would be interested in helping with that. I don't have any docs on > the instruction set. I would need something that defines it clearly and > completely. > > -- > > Rick C There are a lot of details in the eBook, which is the documentation from then. I am trying to collect more and make it available.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-02-18 10:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87shnbminj.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #54960 |
Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> writes: > I hope they do create a FPGA version as I'm interested in that processor. There are some manuals around, though I've no idea how complete the info in them is. It's probably easiest to start with a software implementation. There is also a commented version of cmforth online. I don't have the url handy but I think I saved a copy when I came across it.
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