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| Started by | awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) |
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| First post | 2016-12-21 01:19 +0100 |
| Last post | 2017-01-08 16:55 -0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 266 — 26 participants |
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"Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-21 01:19 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-12-24 05:40 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 06:01 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-25 19:27 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-26 18:16 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-27 14:27 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-27 14:29 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-27 14:27 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-28 11:35 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-12-27 17:38 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-29 10:11 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-12-29 17:06 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-28 05:39 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 22:37 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package crc <charles.childers@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 05:40 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-28 23:03 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-30 20:54 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 20:17 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package mhx@iae.nl - 2017-01-02 12:22 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-02 22:08 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 21:40 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-03 13:51 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-03 21:51 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-06 19:36 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-07 14:55 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-07 19:01 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-01-08 12:06 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-08 16:46 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-01-03 15:59 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 23:12 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-30 20:54 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-12-28 04:57 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-12-28 11:23 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-28 23:16 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-12-30 16:31 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "David N. Williams" <williams@umich.edu> - 2016-12-30 15:21 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-01-05 12:00 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-05 13:30 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-05 17:32 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-06 02:50 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-05 18:20 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-06 17:58 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-07 14:55 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-05 16:15 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-01-10 08:43 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-12-30 14:37 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package john <anon@example.com> - 2016-12-30 15:57 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-12-30 17:19 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-30 21:10 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-12-30 12:44 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 15:43 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 00:09 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-03 17:25 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package john <anon@example.com> - 2016-12-30 22:47 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-12-31 03:31 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-12-30 15:46 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 15:05 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 00:26 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-31 11:49 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-12-30 15:21 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-01-02 11:11 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-02 00:28 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 17:45 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-01 20:57 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 06:55 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-02 10:44 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 07:01 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-02 15:46 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package john <anon@example.com> - 2017-01-02 16:54 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 10:23 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 10:06 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-02 19:13 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 14:08 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package mhx@iae.nl - 2017-01-02 14:46 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 17:10 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 21:58 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 15:54 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-01-04 06:21 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-04 11:19 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-04 22:34 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 14:44 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-01-04 15:13 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 08:18 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-04 23:17 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-05 04:15 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package mhx@iae.nl - 2017-01-08 01:18 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 15:52 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-08 21:00 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 15:58 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-09 17:39 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-09 18:53 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 06:27 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-12 13:44 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 17:36 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-13 03:17 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-13 14:44 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 14:43 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-14 00:23 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-14 11:52 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-14 16:00 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-14 11:51 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-14 15:06 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-15 14:54 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-15 13:33 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 16:06 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-14 00:25 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 18:00 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 22:17 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 16:04 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-13 15:08 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 17:21 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-14 11:26 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 18:21 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-13 18:30 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 22:20 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 10:43 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-14 15:47 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 17:30 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-14 18:16 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 13:53 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-15 14:09 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 15:48 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-15 16:00 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-15 12:48 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 10:10 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-15 17:56 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 17:05 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-15 17:35 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-15 19:20 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-15 23:51 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-15 19:22 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 16:24 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-01-18 18:40 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 06:46 +0200
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 23:25 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 09:47 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 02:44 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-19 06:16 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 07:43 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-19 11:07 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 14:58 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 03:48 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 06:54 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 09:11 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 07:30 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 12:12 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 16:27 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-21 03:24 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-22 12:47 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-22 14:41 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-22 15:57 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-23 04:05 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-23 10:47 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-01-24 01:02 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-24 01:12 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-23 16:28 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-01-24 01:06 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-24 03:22 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-24 14:19 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-24 03:13 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 08:08 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-24 14:23 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 09:10 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-24 15:35 +0000
Persitent memory (was Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 14:19 -0500
Re: Persitent memory (was Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 15:00 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-24 14:49 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-25 03:26 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-26 04:27 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-26 08:35 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-21 14:19 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-22 12:55 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 15:28 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 14:44 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-19 20:30 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-20 18:21 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 03:52 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 06:58 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-20 12:57 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 16:31 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-20 17:31 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-19 08:48 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 17:18 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package alex@rivadpm.com - 2017-01-19 11:01 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 14:51 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-19 13:07 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 14:26 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-16 09:03 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-15 15:08 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 17:23 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-15 22:18 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-16 09:08 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 06:56 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-14 09:31 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-15 17:33 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-10 09:55 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-09 04:05 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 16:00 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-10 04:13 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 06:40 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 21:07 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-03 04:46 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 16:11 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-04 04:27 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 14:26 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-04 23:09 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-05 00:02 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 02:19 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 05:56 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 06:33 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-05 16:56 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-05 19:03 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 06:45 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-05 04:27 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 06:22 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-05 09:10 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-04 23:05 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-03 22:05 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 13:44 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-01 20:53 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-01 19:55 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-01 21:13 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 07:14 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 07:42 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-03 02:00 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-03 00:13 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 22:02 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-03 11:19 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-03 21:37 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 21:55 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-03 11:26 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-02 10:47 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 20:57 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 18:35 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-31 04:29 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 10:19 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-02 17:08 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-01-06 13:39 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-05 19:13 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 23:57 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-30 20:54 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-29 19:05 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-29 19:38 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-30 15:24 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-12-30 16:01 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 14:33 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-29 16:04 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-30 12:42 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-12-30 07:24 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 12:50 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-30 21:43 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 14:38 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 10:31 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 07:04 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 07:07 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 07:46 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 08:28 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-12-30 16:53 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-06 20:49 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-01-06 23:28 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-06 22:22 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-07 14:55 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-07 21:20 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-07 22:57 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-08 17:02 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-08 16:55 -0800
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 21:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8719816f-f68a-461d-9989-88a5e0cb14d9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53675 |
On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 12:13:03 PM UTC-7, Alex wrote:
> On 1/2/2017 18:06, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
>
> > Do you want to claim I can significantly raise my productivity when
> > became someone's follower? Please name that leader and explain why I
> > must listen him/her irrevocably.
>
> What does the ANS standard have to do with a leader?
ANS-Forth is Elizabeth Rather's toy language --- every ANS-Forth "programmer" is a brown-noser of Elizabeth Rather.
Elizabeth Rather appoints all of the Forth-200x committee members, and all of them are totally obedient to Forth Inc..
Stephen Pelc does "joint projects" with Forth Inc. and has a financial motiviation to obey Forth Inc.. The best example of this is when Leon Wagner said that { couldn't be used to define locals because SwiftForth uses { for multi-line comments and Stephen Pelc kowtowed to him, despite the fact that { has been the de facto standard for locals since prior to ANS-Forth.
Peter Knaggs is Stephen Pelc's employee --- he does what his boss tells him to do.
Andrew Haley is a Forth Inc. employee --- he does what his boss tells him to do --- he is one of the most disgusting brown-nosers I have ever seen!
Anton Ertl kowtows to Forth Inc.. He wrote the {: word (the replacement for the { word) and screwed it up. Instead of initializing the locals to the right of | to zero, he left this "undefined" meaning that they could be initialized to different values in different compliant compilers or initialized to whatever happened to be in memory causing them to be initialized to different values from one one run to the next. When I pointed this out, he said that it wasn't a bug because his code was written according to spec. Where did the spec come from? Forth Inc. of course!
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| From | Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-01-03 04:46 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <zPCdnSD75YefHPbFnZ2dnUU7-RXNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #53673 |
Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Swamp? My question remains; why do those who claim they have no use for >> it, and no interest in employing it, complain so loudly about the ANS >> standard, attack it and its proponents so regularly, and why do they >> (and you) employ such emotive language? > > I don't know about them and can't be responsible about > Forth-haters. I use Forth for more than 20 years, wrote several > compilers for PC, starting from MS-DOS, and ~10 for different > MCUs. Also I usually use my own FPGA-based Forth-processors for > commercial projects, from high-end FPGA to low-cost devices sold > worldwide. For my life, I feel no need of ANS-compatibility. What > I'm do wrong? What you're doing wrong is characterized by the long, aggressive, rude, boring, and incoherent rants that you post here. These posts are irredeemably negative and destructive; they are also comically arrogant. You talk about all the great things you have done. You say that with 20+ years of experience of Forth there is a very small chance that you've missed anything really important. You imagine that people want to stop you from designing your own Forth derivative, and get angry when you think they're trying to stop you doing what you want. All of this looks like the boasting of a frightened six-year-old. Andrew.
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-03 16:11 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <75117bf3-578d-4ebc-9ea3-6994aa8dc6f8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53697 |
> What you're doing wrong is characterized by the long, aggressive, > rude, boring, and incoherent rants that you post here. These posts > are irredeemably negative and destructive; they are also comically > arrogant. You talk about all the great things you have done. You say > that with 20+ years of experience of Forth there is a very small > chance that you've missed anything really important. You imagine that > people want to stop you from designing your own Forth derivative, and > get angry when you think they're trying to stop you doing what you > want. All of this looks like the boasting of a frightened > six-year-old. This is a previuos question I've answered: > >> Swamp? My question remains; why do those who claim they have no use for > >> it, and no interest in employing it, complain so loudly about the ANS > >> standard, Where is my 'no use' and 'no interest' when I confirm I use Forth for 20+ years? But after this, you attacks me from the other side? :) I feel no need to claim who am I, because my past achievements means nothing for peoples who want to solve their current problems. However, argument 'you are complaining just because you don't use Forth' is very common here. So can you imagine someone who use Forth and don't agreed with you? :) Ok then. There is my 'KinderGarten logic'. Since Forth is 45 years old and claiming as a language extremely easy to write, what effects we should await? 1. Nobody can write his own Forth without permission and many questions in c.l.f. (it seems it is your choice, because you are so surprised I have a full set of Forth products). 2. It is easy to write Forth for certain domain, implementing all required features. Public materials are enough for skilled programmer. And ask yourself, why you are not happy hearing there are more forthers in the world? :) Do you want to see Forth spreading by many programmers or this is an elite languages for chosen only and any positive results from non-ANS groups makes you angry?
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| From | Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-01-04 04:27 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <VOKdnTZ6GZ-NU_HFnZ2dnUU7-fXNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #53720 |
Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is a previuos question I've answered: > >> >> Swamp? My question remains; why do those who claim they have no >> >> use for it, and no interest in employing it, complain so loudly >> >> about the ANS standard, > > Where is my 'no use' and 'no interest' when I confirm I use Forth > for 20+ years? Please read that question again. It doesn't say >> >> My question remains; why do those who claim they have no use for >> >> [Forth], and no interest in employing it, complain so loudly >> >> about the ANS standard, It does say >> >> My question remains; why do those who claim they have no use for >> >> it, and no interest in employing it, complain so loudly about >> >> the ANS standard, which means >> >> My question remains; why do those who claim they have no use for >> >> [the ANS standard], and no interest in employing it, complain so >> >> loudly about the ANS standard, > But after this, you attacks me from the other side? ? > :) I feel no need to claim who am I, because my past achievements > means nothing for peoples who want to solve their current > problems. Good. So don't do it, then. > However, argument 'you are complaining just because you don't use > Forth' is very common here. So can you imagine someone who use Forth > and don't agreed with you? :) I don't know exactly what you are referring to. It is true that people who post here complaining about Forth but who have no clue how to use it tend to get short and blunt replies. That's how it should be. However, given your undoubtedly tremendous Forth expertise, this obviously does not apply to you. > Ok then. There is my 'KinderGarten logic'. Since Forth is 45 years > old and claiming as a language extremely easy to write, what effects > we should await? > 1. Nobody can write his own Forth without permission and many > questions in c.l.f. (it seems it is your choice, because you are so > surprised I have a full set of Forth products). I think that nobody is surprised that you have a full set of Forth products, whatever that means. Nobody here is capable of giving you permission to do anything, even if they wanted to, which they don't. Everybody is delighted that you have an active Forth business. That's good. > 2. It is easy to write Forth for certain domain, implementing all > required features. Public materials are enough for skilled > programmer. Having done it a couple of times, I don't believe that it's that easy. There are people more gifted than me, though. > And ask yourself, why you are not happy hearing there are more > forthers in the world? :) I am very happy that there are more Forthers in the world. > Do you want to see Forth spreading by many programmers or this is an > elite languages for chosen only and any positive results from > non-ANS groups makes you angry? They don't make me angry. People are welcome to write about ANS and non-ANS Forths here, and always have been. Forth is the exact opposite of rigid and elitist, and (again) always has been. Andrew.
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-04 14:26 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ed126b3a-0ff4-4753-8152-26845a7beb36@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53728 |
> > However, argument 'you are complaining just because you don't use > > Forth' is very common here. So can you imagine someone who use Forth > > and don't agreed with you? :) > > I don't know exactly what you are referring to. It is true that > people who post here complaining about Forth but who have no clue how > to use it tend to get short and blunt replies. That's how it should > be. However, given your undoubtedly tremendous Forth expertise, this > obviously does not apply to you. I know several very skilled programmers who use Forth very active. They have a similar stories - when they tries to talk about Forth, they face tons of critics like 'this is not ANS-compatible!'. Even for code " some text" PRINT a man was blamed 'because PRINT is not standard, you must use COUNT TYPE'. He just leaves that discussion. Try to imagine how many professional programmers are gone without any word looking for current politics. This is not my complaining (and even not my problem), this is YOUR problem. If you want to discuss a solution - Im here. If not, it seems you will talk only with newbies giving them a link to ANS. > I think that nobody is surprised that you have a full set of Forth > products, whatever that means. Nobody here is capable of giving you > permission to do anything, even if they wanted to, which they don't. > Everybody is delighted that you have an active Forth business. That's > good. You was surprised, as I suspect :) Also, direct questions usually gives 'right' answers, but indirect situations reveals more. > Having done it a couple of times, I don't believe that it's that easy. > There are people more gifted than me, though. Again, we returns to methodology. If someone wants to keep Forth an elite thing, it can be done. When cleared as much as possible, Forth system may be split to simple parts, developing with little dependencies between them. When explained, many features becomes understandable and programmers stop to complain on Forth, having a knowledge, WHY it did this way. From the other side, programmers may go their own way in Forth after this kind of teaching.
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| From | Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-04 23:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o4jv94$204$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #53735 |
On 1/4/2017 22:26, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >>> However, argument 'you are complaining just because you don't >>> use Forth' is very common here. So can you imagine someone who >>> use Forth and don't agreed with you? :) >> >> I don't know exactly what you are referring to. It is true that >> people who post here complaining about Forth but who have no clue >> how to use it tend to get short and blunt replies. That's how it >> should be. However, given your undoubtedly tremendous Forth >> expertise, this obviously does not apply to you. > > I know several very skilled programmers who use Forth very active. > They have a similar stories - when they tries to talk about Forth, > they face tons of critics like 'this is not ANS-compatible!'. Even > for code > > " some text" PRINT > > a man was blamed 'because PRINT is not standard, you must use COUNT > TYPE'. He just leaves that discussion. I'm afraid I don't believe this story at all. -- Alex
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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
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| Date | 2017-01-05 00:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <2017Jan5.010254@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> |
| In reply to | #53740 |
Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> writes:
>On 1/4/2017 22:26, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
>> " some text" PRINT
>>
>> a man was blamed 'because PRINT is not standard, you must use COUNT
>> TYPE'. He just leaves that discussion.
>
>I'm afraid I don't believe this story at all.
Things like these used to go on (wrt the C standard) a while ago
(before the C-standards newsgroups was split off) in comp.lang.c, so
such behaviour is realistically possible. There are some group
dynamic effects that can lead to getting a lot of such responses in a
newsgroup. However, my impression is that this rarely happens in
c.l.f, certainly much rarer than rants against some Forth standard.
It might be possible that Ilya Tarasov is venting his frustration with
this behaviour here.
- anton
--
M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-05 02:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9151c8b3-c8a3-4056-90cb-3244cad109dc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53740 |
> > they face tons of critics like 'this is not ANS-compatible!'. Even > > for code > > > > " some text" PRINT > > > > a man was blamed 'because PRINT is not standard, you must use COUNT > > TYPE'. He just leaves that discussion. > > I'm afraid I don't believe this story at all. https://habrahabr.ru/post/159351/ Search for: " Hello world" PRINT - there are several comments starting with 'No PRINT word in the standard'. A part of discussion was somewhere in chat.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-05 05:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o4l8l9$6m4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #53750 |
On 1/5/2017 5:19 AM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >>> they face tons of critics like 'this is not ANS-compatible!'. Even >>> for code >>> >>> " some text" PRINT >>> >>> a man was blamed 'because PRINT is not standard, you must use COUNT >>> TYPE'. He just leaves that discussion. >> >> I'm afraid I don't believe this story at all. > > https://habrahabr.ru/post/159351/ > > Search for: " Hello world" PRINT - there are several comments starting with 'No PRINT word in the standard'. A part of discussion was somewhere in chat. So? Why do you care what someone said in a discussion group? -- Rick C
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-05 06:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1b1550e0-ca42-42de-9cc1-95c6563f0bcf@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53752 |
> > Search for: " Hello world" PRINT - there are several comments starting with 'No PRINT word in the standard'. A part of discussion was somewhere in chat. > > So? Why do you care what someone said in a discussion group? I don't care. I'm answer the question - standard is used as a final argument, even for elementary things (also, it is surely application-level, so why don't define a new word? In Forth??!!!). Someone simply tries to suppress a practical programmer by telling him he don't know basic things. Of course he don't care anymore about this clownnade. Is it what you want to continue?
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| From | awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) |
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| Date | 2017-01-05 16:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1mzdzav.4kwocg1nrhvl5N%awegel@arcor.de> |
| In reply to | #53758 |
Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Search for: " Hello world" PRINT - there are several comments > starting with 'No PRINT word in the standard'. There's only one comment like that on that page (Strictly speaking none, because this essentially *is* the whole comment). > A part of discussion was somewhere in chat. Can't comment on that part. But come on. Please look at the discussion on the article page again. This time consider that it was an introductary article meant for complete for(th)eigners, and how the argument wentin that subthread: - It started with user "forth" mentioning that the way (i.e. interpreted) that ." was used in the Hello world example was obsoleted in the standard by .( . - Your colleague(?) wrote that " Hello world" PRINT would be more cross-forth (at least this rhymes with what google transloots), which i interpret as "portable". - But PRINT doesn't exist in many forths, including gforth which was explicitly mentioned in the article - even with a description how to install it. - The first guy then wrote (a little short maybe) that PRINT is not standard, which is a valid point because noobs trying PRINT will likely be put-off by the result. - Then came an ironical picture "the-one-standard.jpg", and a (quite strange) definition of PRINT, and some other people commenting about the observed chaos there. I don't think that "the standard" was being used in order to "end discussion", but to point out that using PRINT might indeed not be more cross-forth (as a warning for other noob-readers actually trying out an example).
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| From | Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-05 19:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o4m584$eue$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #53758 |
On 1/5/2017 14:33, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >>> Search for: " Hello world" PRINT - there are several comments >>> starting with 'No PRINT word in the standard'. A part of >>> discussion was somewhere in chat. >> >> So? Why do you care what someone said in a discussion group? > > I don't care. I'm answer the question - standard is used as a final > argument, even for elementary things (also, it is surely > application-level, so why don't define a new word? In Forth??!!!). > Someone simply tries to suppress a practical programmer by telling > him he don't know basic things. Of course he don't care anymore about > this clownnade. Is it what you want to continue? > This has nothing to do with standards, or with people who write, promote and support them, but everything to do with being a sensitive snowflake. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Snowflake. No doubt this person finds programming a bit of a trial too. Imagine having to deal with *a compiler and debugger* telling you that you've made a mistake. -- Alex
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-06 06:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o4nvug$6sb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #53758 |
On 1/5/2017 9:33 AM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: >>> Search for: " Hello world" PRINT - there are several comments starting with 'No PRINT word in the standard'. A part of discussion was somewhere in chat. >> >> So? Why do you care what someone said in a discussion group? > > I don't care. I'm answer the question - standard is used as a final argument, even for elementary things (also, it is surely application-level, so why don't define a new word? In Forth??!!!). Someone simply tries to suppress a practical programmer by telling him he don't know basic things. Of course he don't care anymore about this clownnade. Is it what you want to continue? Sorry, I can't understand what you are saying. -- Rick C
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| From | Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-01-05 04:27 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <Qe-dndvLR5rpgvPFnZ2dnUU7-fvNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #53735 |
Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> wrote: >> > However, argument 'you are complaining just because you don't use >> > Forth' is very common here. So can you imagine someone who use Forth >> > and don't agreed with you? :) >> >> I don't know exactly what you are referring to. It is true that >> people who post here complaining about Forth but who have no clue how >> to use it tend to get short and blunt replies. That's how it should >> be. However, given your undoubtedly tremendous Forth expertise, this >> obviously does not apply to you. > > I know several very skilled programmers who use Forth very > active. They have a similar stories - when they tries to talk about > Forth, they face tons of critics like 'this is not > ANS-compatible!'. Even for code > > " some text" PRINT > > a man was blamed 'because PRINT is not standard, you must use COUNT > TYPE'. I don't care about people who talk like that. I don't want to talk to them. I don't want to talk about them. I'm talking to you. >> Having [implemented Forth] a couple of times, I don't believe that >> it's that easy. There are people more gifted than me, though. > > Again, we returns to methodology. If someone wants to keep Forth an > elite thing, it can be done. How is this in any way relevant? How does it affect the difficulty of implementing Forth if someone wants to keep Forth as an "elite thing"? Since when was Forth an "elite thing" anyway? Really, it would help a lot if we could concentrate on technical matters. > When cleared as much as possible, Forth system may be split to > simple parts, developing with little dependencies between them. > When explained, many features becomes understandable and programmers > stop to complain on Forth, having a knowledge, WHY it did this > way. From the other side, programmers may go their own way in Forth > after this kind of teaching. OK, but all this is very abstract. And without something concrete I can't see any point: there's an obvious implementation of a core wordset and a bunch of libraries written in Forth. Andrew.
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-05 06:22 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1bbe222a-2904-495b-b157-8c5da4dff41a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53751 |
> > a man was blamed 'because PRINT is not standard, you must use COUNT > > TYPE'. > > I don't care about people who talk like that. I don't want to talk to > them. I don't want to talk about them. I'm talking to you. This is just an example what other people thinks about standard. Instead of cooperation, professional programmer was blamed and, of course, leaves. I know him very well, since he is our employee. He has his our Forth translator, processor, libraries and projects and feels no need to ask anyone who will put him in a pile of newbies. Can you estimate, how many other programmers ignores this style of communication? Suggest something useful for professionals too, but ask them before, what they really need. > > Again, we returns to methodology. If someone wants to keep Forth an > > elite thing, it can be done. > > How is this in any way relevant? How does it affect the difficulty of > implementing Forth if someone wants to keep Forth as an "elite thing"? > Since when was Forth an "elite thing" anyway? Of course it is relevant. When you tell peoples about many standard rules, they will obfuscated. When you tell they must implement many things to get something useful, this is not helpful. From the other side, there are many other languages with easy to learn quick start guides. If you teach how to use standard translators, this will not reveal why Forth is organized this way, but many disadvantages for beginners are still here. So what you are achieving when trying to prevent programmers from writing many translators and implementing base Forth parts of code? You will lost professionals and maybe invite some newbies who will be suppressed by stronger characters. > Really, it would help a lot if we could concentrate on technical > matters. Technical matters appears after stating goals and tasks. Also, you need to define some markers - what and when should be reached. Maybe you efforts are missing the real goal. So start with defining what you want to have and, before this, where you are now. If you want 'to make a lot of money' or 'to make Forth #1 in the world', this is poor-defined and non-realistic goals. > OK, but all this is very abstract. And without something concrete I > can't see any point: there's an obvious implementation of a core > wordset and a bunch of libraries written in Forth. I don't know how to fit it in this format. Do you want to see I personally have something to demonstrate? Or do you want to see a list of independent Forth developers? Just imagine of Forth is so easy to create and use, while so many programmers are here with projects? Maybe some of them just working independently? Try to serf here, at last http://fforum.winglion.ru/viewforum.php?f=45 I don't want to tell it is a complete list. For my Quark Forth I'm absolute sure this is only 10% of code discussed there, just because I have colleagues in RL to discuss critical things without any forums. Estimate when, how many other systems may exist.
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| From | Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-01-05 09:10 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <BdOdnYYPF-Fy_PPFnZ2dnUU7-X_NnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #53757 |
Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> wrote: >> > a man was blamed 'because PRINT is not standard, you must use COUNT >> > TYPE'. >> >> I don't care about people who talk like that. I don't want to talk to >> them. I don't want to talk about them. I'm talking to you. > > This is just an example what other people thinks about > standard. As I said, I don't care about these other people. Enough already. To hell with them. >> > Again, we returns to methodology. If someone wants to keep Forth an >> > elite thing, it can be done. >> >> How is this in any way relevant? How does it affect the difficulty of >> implementing Forth if someone wants to keep Forth as an "elite thing"? >> Since when was Forth an "elite thing" anyway? > > Of course it is relevant. When you tell peoples about many standard > rules, they will obfuscated. What does this sentence actually mean? > When you tell they must implement many things to get something > useful, this is not helpful. OK, I accept that. But I don't know who "they" are anyway. > From the other side, there are many other languages with easy to > learn quick start guides. If you teach how to use standard > translators, this will not reveal why Forth is organized this way, > but many disadvantages for beginners are still here. I don't quite get this point. Are you saying that if a standard- conforming Forth is used for teaching, that people won't learn why Forth is organized this way? > So what you are achieving when trying to prevent programmers from > writing many translators and implementing base Forth parts of code? Who is trying to prevent programmers from writing anything? The same crazy people you meantioned before? Forget about them. >> Really, it would help a lot if we could concentrate on technical >> matters. > > Technical matters appears after stating goals and tasks. Also, you > need to define some markers - what and when should be reached. Sure, but that's a management process for a team, and not really relevant to me. At least, it would be in a thread about managing Forth projects. >> OK, but all this is very abstract. And without something concrete I >> can't see any point: there's an obvious implementation of a core >> wordset and a bunch of libraries written in Forth. > > I don't know how to fit it in this format. Do you want to see I > personally have something to demonstrate? Or do you want to see a > list of independent Forth developers? No, of course not. All I want to see is some talk about something which is actually technically relevant to Forth implementations or programs. Anything. It doesn't have to be Standard Forth. Andrew.
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| From | Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-04 23:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o4jv1l$qp$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #53720 |
On 1/4/2017 00:11, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > >>>> Swamp? My question remains; why do those who claim they have no >>>> use for it, and no interest in employing it, complain so loudly >>>> about the ANS standard, > > Where is my 'no use' and 'no interest' when I confirm I use Forth for > 20+ years? But after this, you attacks me from the other side? :) I > feel no need to claim who am I, because my past achievements means > nothing for peoples who want to solve their current problems. > However, argument 'you are complaining just because you don't use > Forth' is very common here. So can you imagine someone who use Forth > and don't agreed with you? :) You misunderstand. I mean you have no use for or interest in the standard. -- Alex
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-01-03 22:05 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <280be6b8-6e74-40a7-9852-fd48bd65981e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53697 |
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 3:46:32 AM UTC-7, Andrew Haley wrote: > Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Swamp? My question remains; why do those who claim they have no use for > >> it, and no interest in employing it, complain so loudly about the ANS > >> standard, attack it and its proponents so regularly, and why do they > >> (and you) employ such emotive language? > > > > I don't know about them and can't be responsible about > > Forth-haters. I use Forth for more than 20 years, wrote several > > compilers for PC, starting from MS-DOS, and ~10 for different > > MCUs. Also I usually use my own FPGA-based Forth-processors for > > commercial projects, from high-end FPGA to low-cost devices sold > > worldwide. For my life, I feel no need of ANS-compatibility. What > > I'm do wrong? > > What you're doing wrong is characterized by the long, aggressive, > rude, boring, and incoherent rants that you post here. These posts > are irredeemably negative and destructive; they are also comically > arrogant. You talk about all the great things you have done. You say > that with 20+ years of experience of Forth there is a very small > chance that you've missed anything really important. You imagine that > people want to stop you from designing your own Forth derivative, and > get angry when you think they're trying to stop you doing what you > want. All of this looks like the boasting of a frightened > six-year-old. > > Andrew. Ilya --- don't pay any attention to Andrew Haley --- his background is that he worked at Forth Inc. and he taught the novice class there, which is the same class that Elizabeth Rather normally teaches. LOL Maybe later he can "educate" you on how PAD works, or perhaps show you some code snippets copied directly out of the "Starting Forth" book, which is what that class mostly involves. Be aware that Straight Forth is only for desktop computers. It is not for micro-controllers. There might be a need for a standard for a micro-controller Forth, but I won't be involved in designing it because I don't know much about the subject. Even if there is a micro-controller Forth, I doubt that you will want to adhere to it because your FPGA designs are necessarily going to be each unique. Similarly, I don't foresee Testra's RACE adhering to any standard. A micro-controller standard would mostly be for fairly pedestrian micro-controllers using common processors such as the ARM --- some standardization would help because all of the application programs are pretty similar and have a lot of common aspects (they all need a UART, for example, so that should be standardized). Raimond Dragomir's LFTforth would be a good start. Mark Wills also has a lot of experience and good ideas. Talk to them about the design. I don't really want to get involved. I will design Straight Forth so that it supports cross-compilation, so it can be the host for cross-compiling whatever micro-controller standard that might arise.
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-04 13:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ad81dac2-1d8d-4e3d-a837-f3ea00d3e923@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53725 |
> Ilya --- don't pay any attention to Andrew Haley --- his background is that he worked at Forth Inc. and he taught the novice class there, which is the same class that Elizabeth Rather normally teaches. LOL Maybe later he can "educate" you on how PAD works, or perhaps show you some code snippets copied directly out of the "Starting Forth" book, which is what that class mostly involves. If he will ask intresting questions, why don't answer? Discussion is a dynamical process, with 'double win' possibility. I hope after I state I have compilers, projects done and soft-cores he will not try to teach me how PAD works. > Be aware that Straight Forth is only for desktop computers. It is not for micro-controllers. There might be a need for a standard for a micro-controller Forth, but I won't be involved in designing it because I don't I use Forth for both desktop and embedded applications. Desktop includes cross-compilation and other embedded tools (like communication and data management) and system modelling. For a complex system it is critical to study mathematical model first, while we have a platform with many iterations/day. There is no reasons to develop embedded hardware if we are not sure it will work. So I use Forth for floating-point calculations and 3D graphics. > Raimond Dragomir's LFTforth would be a good start. Mark Wills also has a lot of experience and good ideas. Talk to them about the design. I don't really want to get involved. I will design Straight Forth so that it supports cross-compilation, so it can be the host for cross-compiling whatever micro-controller standard that might arise. A kind of 'straight' (is 'plain' a good word too?) system looks actual for now. Many complex programs may take benefits from adding a scripting engine, and Forth is a good choice. This is why I'm talking about methodology for skilled professionals. Many programmers knows about Forth, but feels no need of knowledge how PAD works. So this is a choice for those who wants to teach Forth - targeting a couple of newbies or adapting Forth to current challenges. For this goal, simplier (straighter) is better.
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| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 20:53 -1000 |
| Message-ID | <RbWdnYvA6rdlZfTFnZ2dnUU7-U3NnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #53649 |
On 1/1/17 2:11 PM, HAA wrote: > Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: >> ... >> Every significant language has standards, and all of them have their >> critics, just as Forth Standards do. But they are widely respected and >> influential, even in systems that do not choose to follow them rigorously. > > Respected by whom? Addiction and lethargy has been the effect of > standards in Forth. ANS - the most comprehensive and controlling > of them all - has cast a long shadow. Nobody wants to do anything > in Forth except imbibe on standards. No sooner do they have one, > they're looking for the next. Like a bar tender, 200x has no plans to > stop supply so now it's one long party. If Forth isn't dead, the only > sign of life has been the noise and revelry coming from comp.lang.forth. > It may be a new year but for Forth it will be no different than the > previous twenty-three. Cheers. Language standards in general are respected by the programmers whose work life depends on those languages. This is because it's easier for those programmers to get employment and to move from one project to another. They are also respected by software project managers who know they aren't as dependent on "the only person in the world who understands this particular compiler." Some other signs Forth isn't dead: companies like FORTH, Inc. and MPE keep getting contracts, and Forth is still considered for new projects. Standards make this possible. Cheers, Elizabeth -- Elizabeth R. Conklin FORTH, Inc. 6080 Center Drive, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90045 USA
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