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| Started by | awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) |
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| First post | 2016-12-21 01:19 +0100 |
| Last post | 2017-01-08 16:55 -0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 266 — 26 participants |
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"Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-21 01:19 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-12-24 05:40 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 06:01 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-25 19:27 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-26 18:16 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-27 14:27 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-27 14:29 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-27 14:27 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-28 11:35 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-12-27 17:38 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-29 10:11 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-12-29 17:06 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-28 05:39 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 22:37 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package crc <charles.childers@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 05:40 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-28 23:03 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-30 20:54 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 20:17 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package mhx@iae.nl - 2017-01-02 12:22 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-02 22:08 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 21:40 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-03 13:51 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-03 21:51 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-06 19:36 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-07 14:55 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-07 19:01 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-01-08 12:06 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-08 16:46 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-01-03 15:59 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 23:12 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-30 20:54 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-12-28 04:57 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-12-28 11:23 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-28 23:16 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-12-30 16:31 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "David N. Williams" <williams@umich.edu> - 2016-12-30 15:21 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-01-05 12:00 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-05 13:30 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-05 17:32 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-06 02:50 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-05 18:20 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-06 17:58 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-07 14:55 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-05 16:15 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-01-10 08:43 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-12-30 14:37 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package john <anon@example.com> - 2016-12-30 15:57 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-12-30 17:19 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-30 21:10 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-12-30 12:44 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 15:43 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 00:09 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-03 17:25 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package john <anon@example.com> - 2016-12-30 22:47 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-12-31 03:31 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-12-30 15:46 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 15:05 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 00:26 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-31 11:49 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-12-30 15:21 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-01-02 11:11 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-02 00:28 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 17:45 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-01 20:57 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 06:55 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-02 10:44 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 07:01 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-02 15:46 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package john <anon@example.com> - 2017-01-02 16:54 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 10:23 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 10:06 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-02 19:13 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 14:08 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package mhx@iae.nl - 2017-01-02 14:46 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 17:10 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 21:58 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 15:54 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-01-04 06:21 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-04 11:19 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-04 22:34 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 14:44 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-01-04 15:13 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 08:18 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-04 23:17 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-05 04:15 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package mhx@iae.nl - 2017-01-08 01:18 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 15:52 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-08 21:00 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 15:58 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-09 17:39 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-09 18:53 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 06:27 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-12 13:44 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 17:36 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-13 03:17 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-13 14:44 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 14:43 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-14 00:23 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-14 11:52 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-14 16:00 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-14 11:51 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-14 15:06 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-15 14:54 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-15 13:33 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 16:06 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-14 00:25 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 18:00 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 22:17 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 16:04 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-13 15:08 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 17:21 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-14 11:26 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 18:21 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-13 18:30 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 22:20 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 10:43 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-14 15:47 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 17:30 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-14 18:16 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 13:53 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-15 14:09 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 15:48 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-15 16:00 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-15 12:48 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 10:10 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-15 17:56 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 17:05 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-15 17:35 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-15 19:20 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-15 23:51 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-15 19:22 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 16:24 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-01-18 18:40 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 06:46 +0200
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 23:25 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 09:47 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 02:44 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-19 06:16 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 07:43 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-19 11:07 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 14:58 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 03:48 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 06:54 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 09:11 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 07:30 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 12:12 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 16:27 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-21 03:24 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-22 12:47 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-22 14:41 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-22 15:57 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-23 04:05 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-23 10:47 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-01-24 01:02 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-24 01:12 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-23 16:28 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-01-24 01:06 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-24 03:22 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-24 14:19 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-24 03:13 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 08:08 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-24 14:23 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 09:10 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-24 15:35 +0000
Persitent memory (was Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 14:19 -0500
Re: Persitent memory (was Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 15:00 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-24 14:49 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-25 03:26 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-26 04:27 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-26 08:35 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-21 14:19 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-22 12:55 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 15:28 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 14:44 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-19 20:30 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-20 18:21 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 03:52 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 06:58 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-20 12:57 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 16:31 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-20 17:31 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-19 08:48 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 17:18 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package alex@rivadpm.com - 2017-01-19 11:01 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 14:51 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-19 13:07 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 14:26 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-16 09:03 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-15 15:08 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 17:23 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-15 22:18 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-16 09:08 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 06:56 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-14 09:31 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-15 17:33 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-10 09:55 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-09 04:05 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 16:00 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-10 04:13 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 06:40 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 21:07 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-03 04:46 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 16:11 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-04 04:27 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 14:26 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-04 23:09 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-05 00:02 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 02:19 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 05:56 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 06:33 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-05 16:56 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-05 19:03 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 06:45 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-05 04:27 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 06:22 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-05 09:10 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-04 23:05 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-03 22:05 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 13:44 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-01 20:53 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-01 19:55 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-01 21:13 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 07:14 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 07:42 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-03 02:00 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-03 00:13 -0500
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 22:02 -1000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-03 11:19 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-03 21:37 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 21:55 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-03 11:26 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-02 10:47 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 20:57 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 18:35 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-31 04:29 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 10:19 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-02 17:08 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-01-06 13:39 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-05 19:13 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 23:57 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-30 20:54 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-29 19:05 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-29 19:38 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-30 15:24 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-12-30 16:01 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 14:33 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-29 16:04 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-30 12:42 +1100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-12-30 07:24 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 12:50 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-30 21:43 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 14:38 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 10:31 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 07:04 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 07:07 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 07:46 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 08:28 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-12-30 16:53 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-06 20:49 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-01-06 23:28 -0600
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-06 22:22 -0800
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-07 14:55 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-07 21:20 +0000
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-07 22:57 +0100
Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-08 17:02 +0000
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| From | "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 11:11 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <o4c5ub$1uos$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #53633 |
Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: > ... > Every significant language has standards, and all of them have their > critics, just as Forth Standards do. But they are widely respected and > influential, even in systems that do not choose to follow them rigorously. Respected by whom? Addiction and lethargy has been the effect of standards in Forth. ANS - the most comprehensive and controlling of them all - has cast a long shadow. Nobody wants to do anything in Forth except imbibe on standards. No sooner do they have one, they're looking for the next. Like a bar tender, 200x has no plans to stop supply so now it's one long party. If Forth isn't dead, the only sign of life has been the noise and revelry coming from comp.lang.forth. It may be a new year but for Forth it will be no different than the previous twenty-three. Cheers.
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| From | Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 00:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o4c6o5$q1e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #53649 |
On 1/2/2017 00:11, HAA wrote: > Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: >> ... >> Every significant language has standards, and all of them have their >> critics, just as Forth Standards do. But they are widely respected and >> influential, even in systems that do not choose to follow them rigorously. > > Respected by whom? Addiction and lethargy has been the effect of > standards in Forth. ANS - the most comprehensive and controlling > of them all - has cast a long shadow. Nobody wants to do anything > in Forth except imbibe on standards. No sooner do they have one, > they're looking for the next. Like a bar tender, 200x has no plans to > stop supply so now it's one long party. If Forth isn't dead, the only > sign of life has been the noise and revelry coming from comp.lang.forth. > It may be a new year but for Forth it will be no different than the > previous twenty-three. Cheers. > Well, don't use them then. No-one is forcing you too (unless you get the kind of contract to provide code for money, when companies are very interested in standards). I mystified as to why you and more especially Hugh get so exercised about something that you both claim doesn't affect you. Why the acid tongue? -- Alex
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 17:45 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b543064d-5dc4-4bc1-88ca-8ac3ff56fda6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53650 |
> Well, don't use them then. No-one is forcing you too (unless you get the > kind of contract to provide code for money, when companies are very > interested in standards). > > I mystified as to why you and more especially Hugh get so exercised > about something that you both claim doesn't affect you. Why the acid tongue? I don't want to use 'acid tongue' as well, but understand Hugh's position. Ok, let's start from a distance. Imagine a man who claims he is a real magician and can spell fireballs and predict the future, but can't show any of his magic right now because you don't believe him or evil magician is prevents his magic to action. This looks like madness or at least as attempt to deceive. Not so mad and clear example - a man who has a rare hobby and don't want to explain does he skilled or not. Because of rarity, it is hard to prove and you are not sure is he deceiveer or it is just he's hobby features (for example, fails in 9 attempts of 10...). In the case of hobby you can just forget him, but if he comes with commercial proposal, you need to estimate risks. How you can did it when hearing 'this is Forth way!' and having no further explanation except links to 20-years old documents? Since Forth is a real language and some practical programmers know it, this is not only a question of close club of ANS committee followers. From my point of view, the principal feature of Forth is it's unique programming model. We can't just ignore zero-operand syntax and postfix notation because it is a mathematics too, not just a caprice of a small team of programmers. Sooner or later, when we will summarize programming language approaches and models, we will include Forth, Lisp, Prolog and C as an examples of different styles of PL basics. Unfortunately, small communities and rare hobby-like languages are attractive for peoples who wants to looks like 'magicians who can't prove his magic right now'. You can't do this with C++ because many programmers can test your code, but with Forth you can try to convince others it is just your 'Forth way'. Eliminate both commercial and scientific components (i.e. organize a parody to scientific conference every year), and nobody will be able to setup a objective scores for your Forth translators and programs. This is a problem as I can see. In Russian Forth community we fight against this whenever possible. There are enough programmers comes to RuFIG to hide from real programming problems. They want to see libraries, standards, IDE, ForthOS (a favourite toy in RuFIG), optimizing compilers etc, but has a lack of real programs to write. Again, there is a similar 'holy cow' - SP-Forth with 20+ years history and slogan 'SP-Forth is a standard de-facto for Russia'. Also, 'don't use it' and 'no-one is forcing you' appears each time you try to ask 'why don't improve something in SP-Forth' :) There is a significant difference in overall strategy. I don't have a plans to just get a benefits from 'Forth' brand and involve followers to write code for free. I'm not a looser who seeks a safe place in Forth, but want to improve a language methodology and bring Forth to practical programming. So the same position is welcome, and attempts to suppress practical initiatives are not. It is a time to forget someone is a kind of guru ;)
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| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 20:57 -1000 |
| Message-ID | <HKqdnePEwvxTZPTFnZ2dnUU7-ffNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #53651 |
On 1/1/17 3:45 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > >> Well, don't use them then. No-one is forcing you too (unless you get the >> kind of contract to provide code for money, when companies are very >> interested in standards). >> >> I mystified as to why you and more especially Hugh get so exercised >> about something that you both claim doesn't affect you. Why the acid tongue? > > I don't want to use 'acid tongue' as well, but understand Hugh's position. > > Ok, let's start from a distance. Imagine a man who claims he is a real magician and can spell fireballs and predict the future, but can't show any of his magic right now because you don't believe him or evil magician is prevents his magic to action. This looks like madness or at least as attempt to deceive. > > Not so mad and clear example - a man who has a rare hobby and don't want to explain does he skilled or not. Because of rarity, it is hard to prove and you are not sure is he deceiveer or it is just he's hobby features (for example, fails in 9 attempts of 10...). > > In the case of hobby you can just forget him, but if he comes with commercial proposal, you need to estimate risks. How you can did it when hearing 'this is Forth way!' and having no further explanation except links to 20-years old documents? Since Forth is a real language and some practical programmers know it, this is not only a question of close club of ANS committee followers. From my point of view, the principal feature of Forth is it's unique programming model. We can't just ignore zero-operand syntax and postfix notation because it is a mathematics too, not just a caprice of a small team of programmers. Sooner or later, when we will summarize programming language approaches and models, we will include Forth, Lisp, Prolog and C as an examples of different styles of PL basics. > > Unfortunately, small communities and rare hobby-like languages are attractive for peoples who wants to looks like 'magicians who can't prove his magic right now'. You can't do this with C++ because many programmers can test your code, but with Forth you can try to convince others it is just your 'Forth way'. Eliminate both commercial and scientific components (i.e. organize a parody to scientific conference every year), and nobody will be able to setup a objective scores for your Forth translators and programs. > > This is a problem as I can see. In Russian Forth community we fight against this whenever possible. There are enough programmers comes to RuFIG to hide from real programming problems. They want to see libraries, standards, IDE, ForthOS (a favourite toy in RuFIG), optimizing compilers etc, but has a lack of real programs to write. Again, there is a similar 'holy cow' - SP-Forth with 20+ years history and slogan 'SP-Forth is a standard de-facto for Russia'. Also, 'don't use it' and 'no-one is forcing you' appears each time you try to ask 'why don't improve something in SP-Forth' :) > > There is a significant difference in overall strategy. I don't have a plans to just get a benefits from 'Forth' brand and involve followers to write code for free. I'm not a looser who seeks a safe place in Forth, but want to improve a language methodology and bring Forth to practical programming. So the same position is welcome, and attempts to suppress practical initiatives are not. It is a time to forget someone is a kind of guru ;) > That is certainly a different experience from the one we see in the US. When we are talking with a prospective customer we can point to other significant project in related industries in which Forth has been successful, and people respect that. Cheers, Elizabeth -- Elizabeth R. Conklin FORTH, Inc. 6080 Center Drive, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90045 USA
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 06:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5cbafb39-22b3-4637-b71f-94972cd81183@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53656 |
> That is certainly a different experience from the one we see in the US. > When we are talking with a prospective customer we can point to other > significant project in related industries in which Forth has been > successful, and people respect that. Such a surprise from the blessed land of light elves! :) So do you really think Russians start bears fighting, drink vodka or obey Putin's orders while evaluate project perspectives? This is very simple thing indeed. 1. Show features. 2. Prove you can achieve the desired result with resource you are asking for. You are talking about step #2 - "we can complete this project because we did the same before". Ok than, but features you are talking about looks obsolete and for internal use of your club. This is why trolls annoying you with HDMI and USB 3.0 - can anybody even explain why this questions are pure trolling?
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| From | Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 10:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o4daqm$g82$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #53651 |
On 1/2/2017 01:45, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > >> Well, don't use them then. No-one is forcing you too (unless you >> get the kind of contract to provide code for money, when companies >> are very interested in standards). >> >> I mystified as to why you and more especially Hugh get so exercised >> about something that you both claim doesn't affect you. Why the >> acid tongue? > > I don't want to use 'acid tongue' as well, but understand Hugh's > position. > > Ok, let's start from a distance. Imagine a man who claims he is a > real magician and can spell fireballs and predict the future, but > can't show any of his magic right now because you don't believe him > or evil magician is prevents his magic to action. This looks like > madness or at least as attempt to deceive. > > Not so mad and clear example - a man who has a rare hobby and don't > want to explain does he skilled or not. Because of rarity, it is hard > to prove and you are not sure is he deceiveer or it is just he's > hobby features (for example, fails in 9 attempts of 10...). > > In the case of hobby you can just forget him, but if he comes with > commercial proposal, you need to estimate risks. How you can did it > when hearing 'this is Forth way!' and having no further explanation > except links to 20-years old documents? Since Forth is a real > language and some practical programmers know it, this is not only a > question of close club of ANS committee followers. From my point of > view, the principal feature of Forth is it's unique programming > model. We can't just ignore zero-operand syntax and postfix notation > because it is a mathematics too, not just a caprice of a small team > of programmers. Sooner or later, when we will summarize programming > language approaches and models, we will include Forth, Lisp, Prolog > and C as an examples of different styles of PL basics. > > Unfortunately, small communities and rare hobby-like languages are > attractive for peoples who wants to looks like 'magicians who can't > prove his magic right now'. You can't do this with C++ because many > programmers can test your code, but with Forth you can try to > convince others it is just your 'Forth way'. Eliminate both > commercial and scientific components (i.e. organize a parody to > scientific conference every year), and nobody will be able to setup a > objective scores for your Forth translators and programs. > > This is a problem as I can see. In Russian Forth community we fight > against this whenever possible. There are enough programmers comes to > RuFIG to hide from real programming problems. They want to see > libraries, standards, IDE, ForthOS (a favourite toy in RuFIG), > optimizing compilers etc, but has a lack of real programs to write. > Again, there is a similar 'holy cow' - SP-Forth with 20+ years > history and slogan 'SP-Forth is a standard de-facto for Russia'. > Also, 'don't use it' and 'no-one is forcing you' appears each time > you try to ask 'why don't improve something in SP-Forth' :) > > There is a significant difference in overall strategy. I don't have a > plans to just get a benefits from 'Forth' brand and involve followers > to write code for free. I'm not a looser who seeks a safe place in > Forth, but want to improve a language methodology and bring Forth to > practical programming. So the same position is welcome, and attempts > to suppress practical initiatives are not. It is a time to forget > someone is a kind of guru ;) > Your complaint seems to be addressed to individuals who claim expertise but can't demonstrate it, or are in an area where expertise is so limited it looks like they're claiming to be magicians. I'm talking about HAA and Hugh's railing against a standard they don't like. -- Alex
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 07:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a75891bd-a3a7-446b-8b52-99de7efa2082@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53658 |
> Your complaint seems to be addressed to individuals who claim expertise > but can't demonstrate it, or are in an area where expertise is so > limited it looks like they're claiming to be magicians. I'm not complaining. You need to learn this very good. I wonder if there is a signle product from ANS-group interesting for me. In their situation they should ASK and ASK again to make a step from their swamp.
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| From | Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 15:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o4dshc$cst$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #53665 |
On 1/2/2017 15:01, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > >> Your complaint seems to be addressed to individuals who claim >> expertise but can't demonstrate it, or are in an area where >> expertise is so limited it looks like they're claiming to be >> magicians. > > I'm not complaining. You need to learn this very good. I wonder if I mean complaint in this sense: "a statement that something is unsatisfactory or unacceptable", not in the sense of a grievance. > there is a signle product from ANS-group interesting for me. In their > situation they should ASK and ASK again to make a step from their > swamp. > Swamp? My question remains; why do those who claim they have no use for it, and no interest in employing it, complain so loudly about the ANS standard, attack it and its proponents so regularly, and why do they (and you) employ such emotive language? -- Alex
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| From | john <anon@example.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 16:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.32d49613329f66899896e4@news.virginmedia.com> |
| In reply to | #53667 |
In article <o4dshc$cst$1@dont-email.me>, alex@rivadpm.com says... > > Swamp? My question remains; why do those who claim they have no use for > it, and no interest in employing it, complain so loudly about the ANS > standard, attack it and its proponents so regularly, and why do they > (and you) employ such emotive language? > > -- > Alex > > Fundamental rule of acoustics - empty vessels make the most noise. -- john ========================= http://johntech.co.uk "Bleeding Edge Forum" http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ =========================
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 10:23 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10777119-0408-4c72-8150-53687a6880c6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53668 |
> Fundamental rule of acoustics - empty vessels make the most noise. I can tell you much more about acoustics :))) It was a target domain where Forth was a winning technology for me in mid 90-th. A large ultraacoustic measurement complex was controlled by my Forth, running in 32-bit protected mode under MS-DOS extender, with floating point support, SVGA graphics etc. It was also a first time to hear 'your Forth is not ANS-compatible!' :) So, my full vessel, tell me, why light elves dreams about past and miltipliy numbers, like junior students in a lab, when crude stupid Russian orks so wonder why just a rumor of commercial project driven by Forth is a reason to celebrate. Where YOU use Forth? How many lines of code YOU wrote last year? What part of you total income was a result of your Forth activity?
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 10:06 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <dd327ae5-0da1-4398-baeb-cceeaad167cf@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53667 |
> Swamp? My question remains; why do those who claim they have no use for > it, and no interest in employing it, complain so loudly about the ANS > standard, attack it and its proponents so regularly, and why do they > (and you) employ such emotive language? I don't know about them and can't be responsible about Forth-haters. I use Forth for more than 20 years, wrote several compilers for PC, starting from MS-DOS, and ~10 for different MCUs. Also I usually use my own FPGA-based Forth-processors for commercial projects, from high-end FPGA to low-cost devices sold worldwide. For my life, I feel no need of ANS-compatibility. What I'm do wrong? Tell me why we can collect 5+ forthers together in the same lab, but blessed and civilized light elves can't agreed how to name a words?Do you want to claim I can significantly raise my productivity when became someone's follower? Please name that leader and explain why I must listen him/her irrevocably. If you want to stay with your illusions, it is only you problem, even if you prefer to not to accept the reality. There are many skilled programmers in the world, and many of them can propose some useful for Forth, but sitting in close club means a kind of swamp for me.
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| From | Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 19:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o4e8l2$pcn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #53673 |
On 1/2/2017 18:06, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > Do you want to claim I can significantly raise my productivity when > became someone's follower? Please name that leader and explain why I > must listen him/her irrevocably. What does the ANS standard have to do with a leader? -- Alex
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 14:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f07a9c51-2c5f-432b-a8e6-40146245a40e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53675 |
> > Do you want to claim I can significantly raise my productivity when > > became someone's follower? Please name that leader and explain why I > > must listen him/her irrevocably. > > What does the ANS standard have to do with a leader? No? Then stop to use 'standard' as a final argument for any discussion. Tricks like 'nobody can force you to use standard' don't work. I can see here many times peoples are oppressed just because they suggesting something new. You want they tobgo away? No, because Forth is nor ANS brand neither Moore's child toy. Since Forth is became a significant event in programming, many programmers may explore the conception revealed by Moore. They can achieve better results, advance base Forth ideas etc. Why THEY must go away, just because someone already took a warm place? People comes for ideas, not for club membering, so give them ideas or YOU are about to go away.
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| From | mhx@iae.nl |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 14:46 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f560e3f6-eb32-4655-bdf8-9b4945f6e10f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53679 |
On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 11:08:19 PM UTC+1, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > > Do you want to claim I can significantly raise my productivity when > > > became someone's follower? Please name that leader and explain why I > > > must listen him/her irrevocably. > > > > What does the ANS standard have to do with a leader? > > No? Then stop to <ranting> [..] > People comes for ideas, not for club membering, so give them > ideas or YOU are about to go away. Last time I encountered that kind of logic was in Kindergarten. -marcel
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 17:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <47cdd8fd-817a-4d56-9155-be421e30ca35@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53680 |
> > People comes for ideas, not for club membering, so give them > > ideas or YOU are about to go away. > > Last time I encountered that kind of logic was in Kindergarten. I see no logic or responsibility here. Do you think you can start a large project and simple tell 'Oh, I don't want to work with this, forget my previous words and start to do other things, but with the same brand'? This is what happens with ANS-Forth. There is no flexibility, no methodology and no overall strategy. If my logic looks strange for you, I have a bad news - you know nothing about logic. I state very simple thing - when you call peoples to work with Forth, you must not change your project on-the-fly. Oh, I know the Geyrope politics of double standards - you are right just because you have blessing from the right source :)
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| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-02 21:58 -1000 |
| Message-ID | <b7OdnZZ6eaUKxPbFnZ2dnUU7-S3NnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #53682 |
On 1/2/17 3:10 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > >>> People comes for ideas, not for club membering, so give them >>> ideas or YOU are about to go away. >> >> Last time I encountered that kind of logic was in Kindergarten. > > I see no logic or responsibility here. Do you think you can start a large project and simple tell 'Oh, I don't want to work with this, forget my previous words and start to do other things, but with the same brand'? This is what happens with ANS-Forth. There is no flexibility, no methodology and no overall strategy. If my logic looks strange for you, I have a bad news - you know nothing about logic. I state very simple thing - when you call peoples to work with Forth, you must not change your project on-the-fly. Oh, I know the Geyrope politics of double standards - you are right just because you have blessing from the right source :) Sorry, you know nothing about the ANS Forth process. Over a 6-year period, with meetings 4x/year, we developed strategy, methodology, and worked very hard to ensure operational compatibility with existing Forth83 systems and applications while removing constraints (such as the 16-bit requirement) to enable implementation freedom with application-level stability. Cheers, Elizabeth -- Elizabeth R. Conklin FORTH, Inc. 6080 Center Drive, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90045 USA
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-03 15:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e14ff304-b45d-41ca-8f71-74ceba5f4649@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53694 |
> Sorry, you know nothing about the ANS Forth process. Over a 6-year > period, with meetings 4x/year, we developed strategy, methodology, and > worked very hard to ensure operational compatibility with existing > Forth83 systems and applications while removing constraints (such as the > 16-bit requirement) to enable implementation freedom with > application-level stability. You already post it here, I remember it. When I point to disadvantages of methodology carrying on, Ertl suggest me to write an overview of current situation. This kind of document usually appears as a result of researchers team work, with at least several months of efforts and many drafts. Moreover, single man cannot overview all kinds of programming languages and cannot estimate all applicable area domains. After a proposal to write a document (of 10, 20, 50 pages, heh?) how I can believe you have a proper methodology? If Ertl pretends to be a chairman, he must at least study how these projects are carrying. Less ambitions, more questions to others, including scientists who works in mainstream Computer Science. And forget that Forth is a language for elite only.
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| From | JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-04 06:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2b42c415-8908-4743-bbc4-03014d19d59a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53719 |
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 11:55:00 PM UTC, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > Sorry, you know nothing about the ANS Forth process. Over a 6-year > > period, with meetings 4x/year, we developed strategy, methodology, and > > worked very hard to ensure operational compatibility with existing > > Forth83 systems and applications while removing constraints (such as the > > 16-bit requirement) to enable implementation freedom with > > application-level stability. > > You already post it here, I remember it. When I point to disadvantages of methodology carrying on, Ertl suggest me to write an overview of current situation. This kind of document usually appears as a result of researchers team work, with at least several months of efforts and many drafts. Moreover, single man cannot overview all kinds of programming languages and cannot estimate all applicable area domains. After a proposal to write a document (of 10, 20, 50 pages, heh?) how I can believe you have a proper methodology? If Ertl pretends to be a chairman, he must at least study how these projects are carrying. Less ambitions, more questions to others, including scientists who works in mainstream Computer Science. And forget that Forth is a language for elite only. Dear Ilya, what you want to achieve? There is the Forth concept, going back to Chuck. Many of us listened to the last Fireside Talk. He is out of the software aspect now. There are Forth Compiler Suppliers who have to support their customers long term. They have to ensure that their customers' running projects are not getting screwed up by wonderful new aspects when updated. There is a group of people who invest their private time to work on the standard. I had the opportunity to attend such a meeting in Bath 2 years ago as guest and what I saw supported the known targets 100%. It seems you are not interested in being part of this project and contribute - this is fine. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE GROUP TO THE STANDARDS GROUP, which means people might have good ideas - but are not interested to contribute, have it judged and integrated as part of the Forth Standard - or not. Or form another group. There are loads of moaners and trolls here, many of them would get a well deserved kick in the teeth if met in person, as they are wasting our time and are sometimes rather aggressive and insulting - they would never dare to show the same behavior in personal meetings - as the reactions of the others are very predictable. Anybody can design a Forth or similar language to their liking - it seems some do it in an afternoon - other products will take years to mature. We live in a free world - Trump allowing - so they can do this and either claim they are compatible with the ONLY existing standard or not, or another one so available at some time in the future - actually who cares - their customers might want to be compatible , nothing to do with the group here really. So what do you want?
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-01-04 11:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2d733d20-55e7-41d3-a79d-1c0ed4d7838b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #53730 |
This is what Juergen (salesman for MPE) says On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 7:21:38 AM UTC-7, JUERGEN wrote: > There is a group of people who invest their private time to work on the standard. > I had the opportunity to attend such a meeting in Bath 2 years ago as guest and what I saw supported the known targets 100%. > It seems you are not interested in being part of this project and contribute - this is fine. > THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE GROUP TO THE STANDARDS GROUP, which means people might have good ideas - but are not interested to contribute, have it judged and integrated as part of the Forth Standard - or not. Or form another group. This is what HAA says: On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 5:13:04 PM UTC-7, HAA wrote: > Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: > > ... > > Every significant language has standards, and all of them have their > > critics, just as Forth Standards do. But they are widely respected and > > influential, even in systems that do not choose to follow them rigorously. > > Respected by whom? Addiction and lethargy has been the effect of > standards in Forth. ANS - the most comprehensive and controlling > of them all - has cast a long shadow. Nobody wants to do anything > in Forth except imbibe on standards. No sooner do they have one, > they're looking for the next. Like a bar tender, 200x has no plans to > stop supply so now it's one long party. If Forth isn't dead, the only > sign of life has been the noise and revelry coming from comp.lang.forth. > It may be a new year but for Forth it will be no different than the > previous twenty-three. Cheers. Although I don't agree with HAA on everything that he says, I think he is right about this. Addiction and lethargy are the hallmarks of Forth-200x! A lot of people are on the Forth-200x mailing list and are addicted to the thrill of being big experts who get to tell mere Forth programmers what they can and (more importantly) can't do. Most of them however are quite lethargic when it comes to writing useful Forth code. Alex Wegel says that I was told by Anton Ertl in 2009 how to easily write an early-binding MACRO: word and he criticizes me for waiting until 2016 to write an early-binding MACRO: word. If it is so easy, why didn't he do it? What about Anton Ertl or Bernd Paysan? They both independently invented disambiguifiers, so they were theoretically capable of writing an early-binding MACRO: --- but, they are too drunk on being big experts, which is similar in effect to being drunk on alcohol --- they are like winos who sleep in the city park every day, but who occasionally wake up to shout at the passersby about how they are the kings of the world, and then they go back to sleep again. > There are loads of moaners and trolls here, many of them would get a well deserved kick in the teeth if met in person, as they are wasting our time and are sometimes rather aggressive and insulting - they would never dare to show the same behavior in personal meetings - as the reactions of the others are very predictable. This is just another threat of violence from the ANS-Forth cult. Earlier Julien Fondren said: "now I would just shrug and say he had it coming were jack-booted thugs to black-bag [Hugh] and remove him from society." Now we have Juergen fantasizing about kicking me in the teeth. ANS-Forth has no technical merits whatsoever --- ANS-Forth is cult --- all cults' arguments can be decomposed into threats of violence against the real world, and they usually do decompose quite quickly.
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| From | awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) |
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| Date | 2017-01-04 22:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1mzcmgo.4gpkzcmtx6jiN%awegel@arcor.de> |
| In reply to | #53732 |
<hughaguilar96@gmail.com> wrote: > Alex Wegel says that I was told by Anton Ertl in 2009 how to easily > write an early-binding MACRO: word and he criticizes me for waiting > until 2016 to write an early-binding MACRO: word. If it is so easy, > why didn't he do it? Is it so hard to get: It's YOU who needs this macro to write YOUR package properly. What i criticize is that YOU don't maintain YOUR package, but rather keep on ranting for years.
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