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  Code by Mrs. Rather "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-25 11:07 +0000
    Re: Code by Mrs. Rather Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 05:36 -0700
      Re: Code by Mrs. Rather rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:27 -0400
        Re: Code by Mrs. Rather JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2016-07-25 09:07 -0700
          Re: Code by Mrs. Rather hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-25 09:46 -0700
        Re: Code by Mrs. Rather Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 10:33 -0700

#49468 — Code by Mrs. Rather

> Also, Elizabeth Rather is not "still programming in
> Forth" --- she has never written a Forth program in
> her life --- the only code she ever posts on
> comp.lang.forth (for as long as comp.lang.forth has
> existed) are code snippets copied directly out of
> the "Starting Forth" book.

Would someone please post some interesting examples
of code written by Mrs. Rather?

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#49473

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 7:07:22 AM UTC-4, WJ wrote:
> > Also, Elizabeth Rather is not "still programming in
> > Forth" --- she has never written a Forth program in
> > her life --- the only code she ever posts on
> > comp.lang.forth (for as long as comp.lang.forth has
> > existed) are code snippets copied directly out of
> > the "Starting Forth" book.
> 
> Would someone please post some interesting examples
> of code written by Mrs. Rather?

I would also like to see some examples of serious programs written by WJ.
Not those stupid little "programming 101" challenges he is constantly posting.

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#49479

On 7/25/2016 8:36 AM, Chris Curl wrote:
> On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 7:07:22 AM UTC-4, WJ wrote:
>>> Also, Elizabeth Rather is not "still programming in
>>> Forth" --- she has never written a Forth program in
>>> her life --- the only code she ever posts on
>>> comp.lang.forth (for as long as comp.lang.forth has
>>> existed) are code snippets copied directly out of
>>> the "Starting Forth" book.
>>
>> Would someone please post some interesting examples
>> of code written by Mrs. Rather?
>
> I would also like to see some examples of serious programs written by WJ.
> Not those stupid little "programming 101" challenges he is constantly posting.

I'd like to be able to ignore threads like these... oh, wait, I can!

-- 

Rick C

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#49480

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 4:27:02 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> On 7/25/2016 8:36 AM, Chris Curl wrote:
> > On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 7:07:22 AM UTC-4, WJ wrote:
> >>> Also, Elizabeth Rather is not "still programming in
> >>> Forth" --- she has never written a Forth program in
> >>> her life --- the only code she ever posts on
> >>> comp.lang.forth (for as long as comp.lang.forth has
> >>> existed) are code snippets copied directly out of
> >>> the "Starting Forth" book.
> >>
> >> Would someone please post some interesting examples
> >> of code written by Mrs. Rather?
> >
> > I would also like to see some examples of serious programs written by WJ.
> > Not those stupid little "programming 101" challenges he is constantly posting.
> 
> I'd like to be able to ignore threads like these... oh, wait, I can!
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

Could we all please sign an NDA first

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#49486

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, JUERGEN wrote:
> Could we all please sign an NDA first

That is hilarious! Elizabeth Rather, who teaches the novice Forth class at Forth Inc., doesn't have any code that isn't so super-duper proprietary that it would require a non-disclosure statement?

Above I said that *all* the Forth code posted on comp.lang.forth by Elizabeth Rather, for as long as comp.lang.forth has existed, was copied directly out of the "Starting Forth" book. There actually is one exception --- to the best of my knowledge, this is the only exception --- here it is:

On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 7:30:10 PM UTC-7, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
> Here's [an array definer] presented in my Forth Application Techniques that I think is
> far more useful than the FSL version:
>
> : ARRAY ( n -- )   CREATE DUP , CELLS ALLOT
>     DOES> ( n -- a)   SWAP OVER @ OVER < OVER
>        1 < OR ABORT" Out of Range" CELLS + ;

Note that in the above she actually means FFL, the grandiosely named "Forth Foundation Library" --- FFL is pretty awful code, which on a scale of 1 to 10 would be a negative --- that doesn't mean that Forth Inc. code isn't also a negative.

Also, Elizabeth Rather sometimes makes creative innovations when posting "Starting Forth" code snippets, and these could be considered to be:
"interesting examples of code written by Mrs. Rather." For example:

On Friday, September 20, 2013 at 8:52:47 PM UTC-7, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: 
> On 9/20/13 4:48 PM, Ed wrote: 
> > Elizabeth D Rather wrote: 
> >> ... 
> >> Never, never, never write a definition without a stack comment. 
> >> ... 
> > 
> > Funny because that's *exactly* how some Forth Wizards write their code. 
> > Maintenance by others aside, *how* they manage to work that way without 
> > getting lost is difficult to comprehend. 
> > 
> > Who am I talking about?  Well, there is Chuck Moore (source for Colorforth 
> > is uncommented) and Stackworks author Mike Brothers wherein the entire 
> > system source there is not a single stack comment. 
> 
> That's sad. Chuck basically invented stack comments, and insisted on 
> their use when he was doing applications. FORTH, Inc. requires them, and 
> the best programmers I've worked with for many years (alas, I haven't 
> worked with Chuck since 1982) always include stack comments. 
> 
> For learners, stack comments are especially helpful, since by having to 
> state them at the beginning of the definition they're led to focus on 
> the stack going in and coming out, and the comment is there to remind 
> them. One of the early simple exercises in Forth Application Techniques 
> involves printing out [n] stars, which many define as: 
> 
> : STARS ( n -- )   0 DO ." * " LOOP  DROP ; 
> 
> The ones who include the stack comment are far less likely to just type 
> STARS without an argument or forget the DROP at the end. But the 
> consequences of forgetting the number are also a good teaching moment. ;-) 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Elizabeth 

Note that this post came in at 4:48 PM and Elizabeth Rather ends it with her typical "Cheers." Most people start their drinking after 5:00 PM --- considering the quality of her Forth code, she seems to have started her drinking sometime in AM hours...

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#49493

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 11:27:02 AM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
> On 7/25/2016 8:36 AM, Chris Curl wrote:
> > On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 7:07:22 AM UTC-4, WJ wrote:
> >>> Also, Elizabeth Rather is not "still programming in
> >>> Forth" --- she has never written a Forth program in
> >>> her life --- the only code she ever posts on
> >>> comp.lang.forth (for as long as comp.lang.forth has
> >>> existed) are code snippets copied directly out of
> >>> the "Starting Forth" book.
> >>
> >> Would someone please post some interesting examples
> >> of code written by Mrs. Rather?
> >
> > I would also like to see some examples of serious programs written by WJ.
> > Not those stupid little "programming 101" challenges he is constantly posting.
> 
> I'd like to be able to ignore threads like these... oh, wait, I can!
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

LOL ... I need to work on resisting this kind of crap too!

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