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  Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-06-03 13:34 +0000
    Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-06-03 12:53 -0500
      Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com Mat <dambere@web.de> - 2016-06-04 14:38 -0700
        Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-07 08:00 -0700
          Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com Konstantin Tcholokachvili <tcholoka@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 14:54 -0700
            Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com Mat <dambere@web.de> - 2016-06-12 11:46 -0700
              Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com Konstantin Tcholokachvili <tcholoka@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 04:19 -0700
                Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-06-13 16:10 +0200
    Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com endlessboomcapitalism@gmail.com - 2016-06-03 14:43 -0700
      Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 15:11 -0700
        Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com endlessboomcapitalism@gmail.com - 2016-06-03 15:31 -0700
          Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 15:34 -0700
            Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-06-04 11:02 +1000
            Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com endlessboomcapitalism@gmail.com - 2016-06-03 20:46 -0700
              Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-06-06 18:55 +1000
                Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com endlessboomcapitalism@gmail.com - 2016-06-08 09:45 -0700
            Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com endlessboomcapitalism@gmail.com - 2016-06-03 21:00 -0700
      Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 15:34 -0700
        Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-06-03 12:53 -1000
        Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com endlessboomcapitalism@gmail.com - 2016-06-03 20:44 -0700
        Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-06-04 06:14 +0000
          Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com endlessboomcapitalism@gmail.com - 2016-06-04 00:12 -0700
          Re: Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-04 03:25 -0700

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#47797 — Pentium colorForth and colorforth.com

I recently searched for machine Forth for Intel, which works with
simple expanding native code generation (like swiftForth with
optimization turned off), yet most words expand to quite short
sequences.  I did not find it at the time, but yesterday I came across
the URL for that page, and while colorforth.com no longer works, the
page still exists on the wayback machine.  Aparently colorforth.com
worked as recently as in March.

Anyway, the page is
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160310155430/http://colorforth.com/forth.html>

and it's title is "Pentium ColorForth"; googling for the title did not
bring up any other mirrors, however.

- anton
-- 
M. Anton Ertl  http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
     New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
   EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/

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#47800

On 6/3/2016 8:34 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> I recently searched for machine Forth for Intel, which works with
> simple expanding native code generation (like swiftForth with
> optimization turned off), yet most words expand to quite short
> sequences.  I did not find it at the time, but yesterday I came across
> the URL for that page, and while colorforth.com no longer works, the
> page still exists on the wayback machine.  Aparently colorforth.com
> worked as recently as in March.
>
> Anyway, the page is
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20160310155430/http://colorforth.com/forth.html>
>
> and it's title is "Pentium ColorForth"; googling for the title did not
> bring up any other mirrors, however.
>
> - anton
>
If you find the source, I would be interested in looking at it and 
playing with it.

Color Forth was an interesting Forth but I always thought it would not 
be possible to make it a popular Forth, why? Because so many persons 
specially males suffer from color blindness, and it's too primitive for 
some persons taste. Of course too primitive is a bogus argument, this is 
Forth, it can be expanded fairly easily.

I have been looking for the source of MachineForth in various 
implementations and have found only tree copies, for ARM, F21, and for 
EP16 CPU. Forth the F21 which is a Forth CPU MachineForth is so small 
and simple that I want to use it as an assembler for FPGA based Forth 
CPUs, the F21 version is barely over a page long.

So if anyone has any versions of MachineForth, I would appreciate a 
copy, the f21 version I have is a web page listing so I'm not sure it's 
complete.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#47826

Am Freitag, 3. Juni 2016 19:53:27 UTC+2 schrieb Cecil - k5nwa:
> Color Forth was an interesting Forth but I always thought it would not 
> be possible to make it a popular Forth, why? Because so many persons 
> specially males suffer from color blindness, and it's too primitive for 
> some persons taste. Of course too primitive is a bogus argument, this is 
> Forth, it can be expanded fairly easily.

I would point out that is is possible to replace colour indication though font attributes.  Bold, italic, small caps, under and over lined font attributes should essentially be sufficient for replacing colourized text. Also simply different fonts can be used.

in the above list Rainbow Forth is missing: https://github.com/flagxor/rainbowforth

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#47912

Hi Mat,

Sorry I missed out RainbowForth.
I've just found rainbowforth/appspot.com - nice :-)

Best regards,
Howerd

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#47969

Le mardi 7 juin 2016 17:01:01 UTC+2, Howerd a écrit :
> Hi Mat,
> 
> Sorry I missed out RainbowForth.
> I've just found rainbowforth/appspot.com - nice :-)
> 
> Best regards,
> Howerd

Sadly, it hasn't "if", "then", "for" and "next" words.

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#48056

Am Mittwoch, 8. Juni 2016 23:54:57 UTC+2 schrieb Konstantin Tcholokachvili: 
> Sadly, it hasn't "if", "then", "for" and "next" words.

please take a look at the definitions from screen 18 on: http://rainbowforth.sourceforge.net/blocks.html

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#48073

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 8:46:31 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 8. Juni 2016 23:54:57 UTC+2 schrieb Konstantin Tcholokachvili: 
> > Sadly, it hasn't "if", "then", "for" and "next" words.
> 
> please take a look at the definitions from screen 18 on: http://rainbowforth.sourceforge.net/blocks.html

Ok, it seems I didn't remember correctly, there are "if" and "then" but not "for" and "next" properly saing, even if, maybe, they can be somehow emulated.

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#48077

Op Mon, 13 Jun 2016 04:19:24 -0700 (PDT) schreef Konstantin Tcholokachvili:

> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 8:46:31 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>> Am Mittwoch, 8. Juni 2016 23:54:57 UTC+2 schrieb Konstantin Tcholokachvili: 
>>> Sadly, it hasn't "if", "then", "for" and "next" words.
>> 
>> please take a look at the definitions from screen 18 on: http://rainbowforth.sourceforge.net/blocks.html
> 
> Ok, it seems I didn't remember correctly, there are "if" and "then" but not "for" and "next" properly saing, even if, maybe, they can be somehow emulated.

Screen 19 has DO and LOOP

So it seems that rainbowforth is more conventional than colorforth.

groet Coos

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#47801

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 9:47:41 AM UTC-4, Anton Ertl wrote:
> I recently searched for machine Forth for Intel, which works with
> simple expanding native code generation (like swiftForth with
> optimization turned off), yet most words expand to quite short
> sequences.  I did not find it at the time, but yesterday I came across
> the URL for that page, and while colorforth.com no longer works, the
> page still exists on the wayback machine.  Aparently colorforth.com
> worked as recently as in March.
> 
> Anyway, the page is
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20160310155430/http://colorforth.com/forth.html>
> 
> and it's title is "Pentium ColorForth"; googling for the title did not
> bring up any other mirrors, however.
> 
> - anton
> -- 
> M. Anton Ertl  http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
>      New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
>    EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/

coloforth looked insanely powerfull

I hope you can find it.

fuck people who are colorblind

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#47802

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 2:43:28 PM UTC-7, endlessboo...@gmail.com wrote:

> fuck people who are colorblind

That was so insensitive I think that if you ever apply to work for
me that I'm going to make you take sensitivity training as part of
your employment agreement with me, legality notwithstanding.

Jason

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#47803

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-4, Jason Damisch wrote:
> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 2:43:28 PM UTC-7, endlessboo...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > fuck people who are colorblind
> 
> That was so insensitive I think that if you ever apply to work for
> me that I'm going to make you take sensitivity training as part of
> your employment agreement with me, legality notwithstanding.
> 
> Jason

lol Why would you ever be in a position to hire me?  lol

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#47804

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, endlessboo...@gmail.com wrote:

> lol Why would you ever be in a position to hire me?  lol

You'd be surprised.  

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#47807

Jason Damisch wrote:
> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, endlessboo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > lol Why would you ever be in a position to hire me?  lol
>
> You'd be surprised.

I suspect he's counting on the reverse happening :)

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#47810

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 6:34:01 PM UTC-4, Jason Damisch wrote:
> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, endlessboo...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > lol Why would you ever be in a position to hire me?  lol
> 
> You'd be surprised.

Well I am an objectivist and realist.  Do you run your own business? Do you create successful software? Websites?  or are you a big ego european without much money?

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#47866

endlessboomcapitalism@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 6:34:01 PM UTC-4, Jason Damisch wrote:
> > On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, endlessboo...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > lol Why would you ever be in a position to hire me?  lol
> >
> > You'd be surprised.
>
> Well I am an objectivist and realist.

Not if your application of Ayn Rand is anything like your application of Forth.

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#47966

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 4:54:36 AM UTC-4, HAA wrote:
> endlessboomcapitalism@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 6:34:01 PM UTC-4, Jason Damisch wrote:
> > > On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, endlessboo...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > lol Why would you ever be in a position to hire me?  lol
> > >
> > > You'd be surprised.
> >
> > Well I am an objectivist and realist.
> 
> Not if your application of Ayn Rand is anything like your application of Forth.

and who might you be? the village idiot? lol

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#47812

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 6:34:01 PM UTC-4, Jason Damisch wrote:
> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, endlessboo...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > lol Why would you ever be in a position to hire me?  lol
> 
> You'd be surprised.


You sound like a bit of a commy, not being into atomic power, which is the answer.
Ask yaron Brook, youtube him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY

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#47805

I think what killed colorforth was the fact that it's a variation on an relatively obscure language. On top of that the interface was absolutely dreadful and didn't cater to the public... at all.

-Mux

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#47806

On 6/3/16 12:34 PM, Mux wrote:
> I think what killed colorforth was the fact that it's a variation on an relatively obscure language. On top of that the interface was absolutely dreadful and didn't cater to the public... at all.
>
> -Mux
>
Agreed.

-- 
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FORTH Inc.                         +1 310.999.6784
5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700
Los Angeles, CA 90045
http://www.forth.com

"Forth-based products and Services for real-time
applications since 1973."
==================================================

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#47809

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 6:34:33 PM UTC-4, Mux wrote:
> I think what killed colorforth was the fact that it's a variation on an relatively obscure language. On top of that the interface was absolutely dreadful and didn't cater to the public... at all.
> 
> -Mux

The concept was powerful though.   Replace linux freebsd dataabse appserver and all that with 1 piece of software.  I hope Chuck is ok.   There should be a government grant for him to document and share his genius.  A gem.

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