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| Started by | stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) |
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| First post | 2016-05-13 20:05 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-05-17 21:08 +1000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 214 — 26 participants |
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C to Forth (was Ting) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-05-13 20:05 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-13 14:06 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-05-14 00:27 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-13 21:55 -0700
RTX20xx ...Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2016-05-19 08:58 +0100
Re: RTX20xx ...Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-05-21 04:08 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-05-21 04:09 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-13 14:33 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-05-14 00:28 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-13 21:02 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-14 15:15 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-05-14 17:39 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-14 16:56 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-05-14 20:25 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 00:16 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-15 00:19 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 08:58 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-15 08:24 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 17:18 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-15 18:52 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-16 06:23 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-16 15:12 -0700
Programmable "people" "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-20 23:34 +0000
Re: Programmable "people" rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-21 00:48 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-23 14:21 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-15 10:42 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-05-17 20:33 +1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-17 08:39 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-17 14:06 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-17 11:40 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-17 19:20 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Tessa Bonting <tessa.bonting@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 08:32 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-15 12:18 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2016-05-25 13:41 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 17:22 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-15 17:24 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-15 19:30 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-16 13:37 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-16 07:25 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-05-16 21:50 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-16 16:06 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 01:04 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-17 01:43 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-05-17 10:05 +0100
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-17 11:08 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-18 10:49 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-05-19 13:27 +0100
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 06:01 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-19 10:32 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-19 10:11 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 16:29 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-19 14:16 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-19 14:07 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-19 14:42 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-20 03:46 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-05-20 04:53 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-20 22:16 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-20 21:43 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-21 15:56 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-21 02:52 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-20 22:11 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-21 03:13 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-21 15:43 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-22 22:22 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-05-23 08:30 +0200
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-22 23:39 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-22 23:36 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-23 04:24 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-24 09:14 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-05-23 10:35 +0100
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-23 18:53 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-23 19:43 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-24 00:28 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-23 21:53 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-24 01:56 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-24 09:03 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-24 22:09 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-23 22:59 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-24 04:32 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-24 12:46 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-24 15:26 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-24 15:57 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-05-25 07:44 +0200
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-24 23:29 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-24 22:09 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-25 03:57 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-05-24 11:04 +0100
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-24 14:01 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 15:05 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-19 21:25 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-20 03:57 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 06:48 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-20 09:40 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-20 09:31 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 13:53 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 14:16 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-21 03:01 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Albert van der Horst <albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-05-21 10:23 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 13:37 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-23 04:38 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-23 23:11 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-24 13:15 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-24 13:51 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 19:36 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-20 22:50 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-21 16:22 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 14:04 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-22 15:33 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 19:14 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-22 17:11 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 20:58 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-23 13:50 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 08:09 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-23 13:38 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 07:58 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 18:55 +0300
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 16:00 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 06:54 +0300
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 00:04 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 07:19 +0300
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 00:40 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 08:04 +0300
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 03:41 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-24 01:51 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Bruce Axtens <bruce.axtens@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 10:00 +0800
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 07:08 +0300
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-24 04:36 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 02:48 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-05-23 19:28 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-23 11:46 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 13:30 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-24 13:37 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 14:22 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-05-26 00:29 +0200
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 16:12 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 23:29 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 14:06 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-25 19:30 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-25 20:52 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 23:27 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 07:40 +0300
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-26 10:03 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 14:31 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-27 07:22 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-27 06:07 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-27 10:00 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-27 15:51 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-27 16:27 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-27 19:25 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-28 13:12 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 15:07 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-28 19:15 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 23:41 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 14:50 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-29 04:36 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-29 04:34 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-29 12:19 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 15:37 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-30 15:31 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 14:54 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-30 14:44 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-30 19:21 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 13:49 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-31 04:01 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 15:02 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-31 17:27 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-06-01 07:22 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 16:09 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-06-01 18:03 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 06:36 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-06-01 02:54 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 08:50 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-06-01 07:38 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 10:58 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-06-01 11:32 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 17:10 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 17:04 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-06-01 17:57 -1000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-06-01 22:54 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 04:31 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-06-02 04:59 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 11:44 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 14:58 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 23:43 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 15:07 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 22:44 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 07:14 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 10:33 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 10:31 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 16:57 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 23:57 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 09:01 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 07:17 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 13:12 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 14:09 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 10:07 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 17:13 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 02:14 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-17 11:50 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 15:28 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-17 18:52 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 09:41 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-17 01:12 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-05-17 04:34 -0500
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-17 10:46 -0700
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Albert van der Horst <albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-05-18 09:10 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 09:36 -0400
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) Albert van der Horst <albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-05-16 17:58 +0000
Cross compilers [Was: C to Forth] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-18 04:58 -0500
Re: Cross compilers [Was: C to Forth] Albert van der Horst <albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-05-18 11:25 +0000
Re: Cross compilers [Was: C to Forth] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-18 10:28 -0500
Recognizers (was: Cross compilers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-18 16:48 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-16 15:11 +0000
Re: C to Forth (was Ting) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-05-17 21:08 +1000
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| From | Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-06-02 04:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o9GdnbFhc5USns3KnZ2dnUU7-YfNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #47704 |
Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> wrote: > ?????, 1 ???? 2016 ?., 10:54:16 UTC+3 ???????????? Andrew Haley ???????: >> Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I can show at least two sets of file IO. From old Turbo-Pascal we >> > have open rewrite readfile close, and from C family of languages >> > we have fopen fread (fscanf) fclose. I see no reasons to strictly >> > fix one set of words in standard. >> >> We can't have shared library code otherwise. Is that not a reason? > > Of couse no! We'll have to agree to differ on that, then. >> Nobody has ever said that you can't have fopen/fread/fclose in Forth. > > '> We can't have shared library code otherwise. Is that not a reason?' > > ? :) No, of course it is not. I expect that every Forth uses extensions suitable for its environment. This is absolutely as it should be. Forth systems running on top of POSIX will have POSIX I/O. Etc. >> Compare with what, for crying out loud? You've provided nothing to >> compare with! > > Should I search for you requests like 'C++ file operations', 'Java > file operations' etc.? Something specific would be nice -- otherwise it's like trying to grab smoke. >> > You can start from the fact Windows API returns only one parameter. >> >> So what? Why should anyone care? > > I wonder why I must write THROW many times throghout all my programs > just to feel I'm writing ANS-compatible code. So don't, then. Nobody, not even the most enthusiastic supporter of language standardization, suggests that you should use a wordset which is not ideal for your application out of some kind of moral duty. >> Nobody here has any idea what problems you're talking about. > > May be it is becaise nobody has a real project? When you have budget > and deadline, all useless things will be dismissed very quickly. If > you still think you can use 20+ years old document to write program > today, this means you have no problem because you have no project. Which is why the Forth standard is being worked on so much. That's why there is new and useful work. >> One the one hand you say your ideas would be a better choice for >> standardization than what we have already; on the other hand you see >> no reasons to strictly fix one set of words in a standard. >> >> Which is it? > > This is an approach I want to bring here. Don't dictate > non-important things, let programmers decide, how they want to name > their functions. That's the whole idea of Forth. Nobody says otherwise. The idea of a standard is that there are basic guarantees. Beyond that there is complete freedom for both implementers and users. To be clear: there are some features of Standard Forth which I don't like, but I can see the virtue of basic guarantees. Andrew.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-28 11:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nice5o$324$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47564 |
On 5/27/2016 9:07 AM, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
>
> This is your opinion. Other peoples want to see POSIX. I don't care,
> but ready implement POSIX if they need it. Is it a Forth-specific
> feature? Definitely not, but Forth analog of handle =
> fopen("myfile.txt", "r"); is not ANS-compatible.
What is not POSIX compatible with the ANS Forth command to open a file?
POSIX defines the interface between applications and the OS. That is
not the same interface as what is specified in the Forth standard, the
interface between Forth and the USER. Why is anything in the Forth
standard not POSIX compatible?
--
Rick C
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-28 14:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a499b27d-79ef-4bde-82e7-3fd606e38dbc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47587 |
суббота, 28 мая 2016 г., 18:44:21 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал:
> On 5/27/2016 9:07 AM, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
> >
> > This is your opinion. Other peoples want to see POSIX. I don't care,
> > but ready implement POSIX if they need it. Is it a Forth-specific
> > feature? Definitely not, but Forth analog of handle =
> > fopen("myfile.txt", "r"); is not ANS-compatible.
>
> What is not POSIX compatible with the ANS Forth command to open a file?
> POSIX defines the interface between applications and the OS. That is
> not the same interface as what is specified in the Forth standard, the
> interface between Forth and the USER. Why is anything in the Forth
> standard not POSIX compatible?
Tell me please how you will explain your customers why do they need to write OPEN-FILE with ( c-addr u fam -- fileid ior ) stack notation? Most programmers use interface similar to OS API, so it should be OPEN-FILE ( str, fam -- fileid ). Oh, I see... 'Forth way'? :)
I don't have a goal to rewrite file access library in standard. I just want to show how much time wasted even with such simple question. There are a lot of questions to discuss when you modify your system accordingly to your customer's requests. If Forth is a flexible language, this should be an easy thing, isn't it?
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-28 23:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nido99$jon$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47593 |
On 5/28/2016 5:58 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
> суббота, 28 мая 2016 г., 18:44:21 UTC+3 пользователь rickman
> написал:
>> On 5/27/2016 9:07 AM, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
>>>
>>> This is your opinion. Other peoples want to see POSIX. I don't
>>> care, but ready implement POSIX if they need it. Is it a
>>> Forth-specific feature? Definitely not, but Forth analog of
>>> handle = fopen("myfile.txt", "r"); is not ANS-compatible.
>>
>> What is not POSIX compatible with the ANS Forth command to open a
>> file? POSIX defines the interface between applications and the OS.
>> That is not the same interface as what is specified in the Forth
>> standard, the interface between Forth and the USER. Why is
>> anything in the Forth standard not POSIX compatible?
>
> Tell me please how you will explain your customers why do they need
> to write OPEN-FILE with ( c-addr u fam -- fileid ior ) stack
> notation? Most programmers use interface similar to OS API, so it
> should be OPEN-FILE ( str, fam -- fileid ). Oh, I see... 'Forth way'?
> :)
Why would they care???
> I don't have a goal to rewrite file access library in standard. I
> just want to show how much time wasted even with such simple
> question. There are a lot of questions to discuss when you modify
> your system accordingly to your customer's requests. If Forth is a
> flexible language, this should be an easy thing, isn't it?
I don't want to rewrite any file access libraries either. What's your
point?
--
Rick C
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-29 15:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <67187205-8d94-4a0c-a356-ea2ac0ae237c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47603 |
воскресенье, 29 мая 2016 г., 6:43:03 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал: > > Tell me please how you will explain your customers why do they need > > to write OPEN-FILE with ( c-addr u fam -- fileid ior ) stack > > notation? Most programmers use interface similar to OS API, so it > > should be OPEN-FILE ( str, fam -- fileid ). Oh, I see... 'Forth way'? > > :) > > Why would they care??? Because they want to use Forth. If flexibility is one of the key features, why don't provide familiar syntax for new customers? > I don't want to rewrite any file access libraries either. What's your > point? My point Forth roadmap should be reviewed very carefully, if you want to keep ANS actual. Including too many libraries in standard don't help to make it acceptable for wide auditory.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-29 22:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nig9f3$fl1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47614 |
On 5/29/2016 6:07 PM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > воскресенье, 29 мая 2016 г., 6:43:03 UTC+3 пользователь rickman > написал: >>> Tell me please how you will explain your customers why do they >>> need to write OPEN-FILE with ( c-addr u fam -- fileid ior ) >>> stack notation? Most programmers use interface similar to OS API, >>> so it should be OPEN-FILE ( str, fam -- fileid ). Oh, I see... >>> 'Forth way'? :) >> >> Why would they care??? > > Because they want to use Forth. If flexibility is one of the key > features, why don't provide familiar syntax for new customers? Forth syntax is *nothing* like other languages. Yet you complain about such a tiny difference in "syntax" of a file IO command? Just to be clear, the difference is that in Forth the mode is specified by a defined constant while in POSIX the mode is specified by a text string, that is what you mean? >> I don't want to rewrite any file access libraries either. What's >> your point? > > My point Forth roadmap should be reviewed very carefully, if you want > to keep ANS actual. Including too many libraries in standard don't > help to make it acceptable for wide auditory. I don't get what you mean by "actual". I have *no* idea what you mean by "too many libraries". C has tons of libraries while standard Forth has defined none. Or do you mean the various optional word sets? To be honest, I still have no idea what you are complaining about. -- Rick C
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-30 07:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6a436ceb-4035-47cf-9cd4-866b793411f5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47617 |
понедельник, 30 мая 2016 г., 5:44:52 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал: > Forth syntax is *nothing* like other languages. Yet you complain about > such a tiny difference in "syntax" of a file IO command? Just to be > clear, the difference is that in Forth the mode is specified by a > defined constant while in POSIX the mode is specified by a text string, > that is what you mean? You are about to stop to 'explain' me trivial things. It seems Forth syntax is a kind of revelation for you, but not for me. Also, you should choose another word instead of 'complain'. I don't need anything from ANS, but have my own implementation and understanding how things works in Forth. From my experience, choosing righ syntax according to programmers requests is very strong feature. So I use different names for file IO, for graphics, text typing and formatting and so on, just to make programmers happy. You can sit in your corner and repeat 'this is not ANS-compatible', I don't care. Im ready to discuss how to make Forth more comfortable and avoid battles around word naming with non-forthers. > I don't get what you mean by "actual". I have *no* idea what you mean > by "too many libraries". C has tons of libraries while standard Forth > has defined none. Or do you mean the various optional word sets? > > To be honest, I still have no idea what you are complaining about. If so, you should ask, not teach ;)
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-30 10:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nihiv4$f11$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47625 |
On 5/30/2016 10:14 AM, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > понедельник, 30 мая 2016 г., 5:44:52 UTC+3 пользователь rickman > написал: > >> Forth syntax is *nothing* like other languages. Yet you complain >> about such a tiny difference in "syntax" of a file IO command? >> Just to be clear, the difference is that in Forth the mode is >> specified by a defined constant while in POSIX the mode is >> specified by a text string, that is what you mean? > > You are about to stop to 'explain' me trivial things. It seems Forth > syntax is a kind of revelation for you, but not for me. Also, you > should choose another word instead of 'complain'. I don't need > anything from ANS, but have my own implementation and understanding > how things works in Forth. From my experience, choosing righ syntax > according to programmers requests is very strong feature. So I use > different names for file IO, for graphics, text typing and formatting > and so on, just to make programmers happy. You can sit in your corner > and repeat 'this is not ANS-compatible', I don't care. Im ready to > discuss how to make Forth more comfortable and avoid battles around > word naming with non-forthers. > >> I don't get what you mean by "actual". I have *no* idea what you >> mean by "too many libraries". C has tons of libraries while >> standard Forth has defined none. Or do you mean the various >> optional word sets? >> >> To be honest, I still have no idea what you are complaining about. > > If so, you should ask, not teach ;) I didn't try to "teach" you. You don't explain what you are talking about, I ask and you tell me I shouldn't "teach", I should ask. Uh, that's what I *did*. So clearly you have no interest in a real discussion. You are here for purposes other than discussion of the Forth language. At this point it is clear you are trolling. -- Rick C
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| From | pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-30 10:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8e476ad7-71b2-4beb-a528-e2457b0891ab@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47626 |
Rick, I use SwiftForth 2, iForth 4 and 5 and FiCL and I have no problems to understand the different opinions discussed here, without declaring who is trolling and who not. Even Hugh has valid points which did not get answered here, although deeply nested in rubbish. What Forth dialect do you use ? pahihu > You are here for purposes other than discussion of the > Forth language. At this point it is clear you are trolling. > > -- > > Rick C
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-30 16:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nii9g5$3bj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47636 |
On 5/30/2016 1:31 PM, pahihu wrote: > Rick, > > I use SwiftForth 2, iForth 4 and 5 and FiCL and I have no > problems to understand the different opinions discussed > here, without declaring who is trolling and who not. My point is that Ilya doesn't seem to be expressing an opinion so much as just venting about something without making that clear, at least to me. I'm happy to discuss the issues, but I am finding the various statements to be boarder line offensive. In other words, I don't see the conversation with Ilya to be a discussion. > Even Hugh has valid points which did not get answered here, > although deeply nested in rubbish. Yes, I have said that Hugh could have something to offer the group if he could control his ranting. I expect that is why the technical committee was willing to attempt to work with him. Over the years I have come to believe Hugh is mentally disturbed and will never be able to contribute meaningfully without creating a disproportionate amount of rancor and discourse. I am not a psychologist and don't know how to help him in a useful way, so I mostly try to ignore him so I don't add to the problem. Sometimes I am provoked to a point that I have to respond. That's my problem obviously. > What Forth dialect do you use ? I use mostly Win32Forth which is pretty close to the ANS standard if I am not mistaken, so I wouldn't call it a dialect. I have also worked with some soft, stack based CPUs which use an assembly language similar to Forth. How do you use Forth? -- Rick C
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| From | pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-30 23:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <63c37c41-e299-4f39-ba87-10c11c0f618e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47643 |
> I use mostly Win32Forth which is pretty close to the ANS standard if I > am not mistaken, so I wouldn't call it a dialect. If you use the strict ANS part then it is fine. If you use Win32Forth specific extensions then you use a dialect. ANS Forth provides a common base, which is essential to port code between the 3 dialects, that I use. > > How do you use Forth? > For me Forth is not the goal, it is a tool. I am in the bandwagon which says "use the right tool for the job". SwiftForth is used for Windows GUI clients, iForth for server side software, and not all servers are Intel based, so I use FiCL for the rest. For smaller client-server tasks (data collection) it is perfect. pahihu
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-31 09:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nik1ve$63r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47655 |
On 5/31/2016 2:57 AM, pahihu wrote: >> I use mostly Win32Forth which is pretty close to the ANS standard if I >> am not mistaken, so I wouldn't call it a dialect. > > If you use the strict ANS part then it is fine. If you use Win32Forth > specific extensions then you use a dialect. What if I write my own "extensions"? Is that then a dialect? The entire Win32Forth is open source. If I use any extensions from W32F I can use them under any Forty by using that code as well as the code I write. So as long as they are based on ANS Forth words they are not a "dialect" any more than my application. -- Rick C
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| From | pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-31 07:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e9f23d99-553f-4c9d-a6c0-1d09bb00275d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47658 |
> What if I write my own "extensions"? Is that then a dialect? No. > If I use any extensions from W32F I can use them under any Forth > by using that code as well as the code I write. No, eg. if a word is written in IA32 assembly you cannot use them under any Forth. > So as long as they are based on ANS Forth words they are not a > "dialect" any more than my application. You could dig the ANS standard for specifics: "4. Documentation requirements". pahihu
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| From | humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-30 13:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d1a45a42-b593-4183-8719-a3a2ce487078@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47614 |
On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:07:51 AM UTC+3, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > воскресенье, 29 мая 2016 г., 6:43:03 UTC+3 пользователь rickman написал: > > > Tell me please how you will explain your customers why do they need > > > to write OPEN-FILE with ( c-addr u fam -- fileid ior ) stack > > > notation? Most programmers use interface similar to OS API, so it > > > should be OPEN-FILE ( str, fam -- fileid ). Oh, I see... 'Forth way'? > > > :) > > > > Why would they care??? > > Because they want to use Forth. If flexibility is one of the key features, why don't provide familiar syntax for new customers? > > > I don't want to rewrite any file access libraries either. What's your > > point? > > My point Forth roadmap should be reviewed very carefully, if you want to keep ANS actual. Including too many libraries in standard don't help to make it acceptable for wide auditory. Hi! > Because they want to use Forth. Maybe is a dumb question, but: They want to learn Forth? Have a nice day, humptydumpty
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-30 14:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <33b960b0-54a3-4a8c-ac52-b6a82e02fba4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47640 |
понедельник, 30 мая 2016 г., 23:12:44 UTC+3 пользователь humptydumpty написал: > > Because they want to use Forth. > Maybe is a dumb question, but: They want to learn Forth? > No, they want to USE. Indeed, many programmers heard something about Forth, and this is not a huge problem to understand postfix notation. This is just a myth about mystical Forth way for elite only. When I show Forth to embedded engineer and explain how and why it works this way, he is often agrees to try. Today we have a lot of programming languages, programmers/engineers are ready to learn new ones and learning Forth is not a big deal. So their questions are very sharp and precise and cannot be answered by reference to 'Forth way' (or even Brodie's 'Thinking Forth').
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| From | "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-01 10:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nimc54$ss4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #47520 |
Ilya Tarasov wrote: > Certainly, why don't you just do your own thing and not > pretend to be a ruler of all forthers in the world? I see no > reason to accept American National Standard by default. Neither do I. America is a dying country. The report card by the American Society of Civil Engineers showed the national infrastructure a single grade above failure, a step from declining to the point where everyday things simply stop working the way people expect them to. --- washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/us-infrastructure-gets-d-in-annual-report/2013/03/19/c48cb010-900b-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html -- If confirmed, Garland would be the fourth Jewish justice on the nation's highest court, which is comprised entirely of Jews and Catholics. The three current Jewish members of the Supreme Court are Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elana Kagan, and Stephen Breyer. www.jta.org/2016/03/16/news-opinion/united-states/obama-to-name-jewish-federal-judge-to-supreme-court
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-01 17:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6312e8cd-e1f7-4076-a884-0ef895da3db4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47682 |
среда, 1 июня 2016 г., 13:07:35 UTC+3 пользователь WJ написал:
> Ilya Tarasov wrote:
>
> > Certainly, why don't you just do your own thing and not
> > pretend to be a ruler of all forthers in the world? I see no
> > reason to accept American National Standard by default.
>
> Neither do I. America is a dying country.
>
> The report card by the American Society of Civil Engineers showed the national
> infrastructure a single grade above failure, a step from declining to the point
> where everyday things simply stop working the way people expect them to. -
Don't worry, we already step over it in 1980-th :) Nothing new for USA, I see almost exactly the same processes like for the later USSR. Including an image and politics of Obama, it is very likely what Gorbachev did since 1985 ('young active leader' too), and Trump looks like Yeltsin. Of course it is not a total catastrophe, but balance is broken already.
Here I see a likely situation. USA tries to dictate, and Europe can't say a word against. Russia is independent with it's own complete processes, propose partnership and suggest all to have more freedom :)
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| From | Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-17 02:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <16f365f9-4c6e-4659-8196-567c28850376@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47240 |
> Forth-200x is full of hobbyists who just want to be experts because being an expert seems pretty fun, and Forth-200x has little or no qualification to be an expert, so it is an opportunity to be an expert programmer without actually programming. Nearly the same situation in Russia FIG. A lot of hobbyists who triyng to 'determine Forth roadmap', but don't use Forth for real projects. Almost the same situation with standards - SP-Forth by Andrey Cherezov claimed as 'Standard de-facto for Russia'. This product is not bad, but it targeting server application primarly and not suited well for desktop and embedded. Information noise around it is worse, because 'everyone should know we have SP-Forth and you should improve it instead of implement your own'. Nothing new here :) > Anyway Ilya --- I'm happy to see that you have built a Forth processor and that you are using Forth for practical work --- I translated that webpage of yours from Russian to English and I'm reading up on your work. This is more placeholder than real website for partners involving. I don't plan to sell my ForthCPUs via Internet, and all our partners knows we can implement a complete FPGA system. Forth is only a very effective tool, and we need no other standards or self-claimed experts. > There seems to be more interest in Forth in Russia these days than in America or Europe, and there seems to be little or no interest in ANS-Forth or Forth-200x in Russia --- eventually Forth may become a purely Russian language and people will forget that it actually originated in America during the 20th century --- the Americans dropped the ball, and the Russians picked it up. Look at www.fforum.winglion.ru We create it in 2006 with my friend Ivan Makarchenko. Unfortunately, he is died several years ago. Now I'm supporting this forum, and it is a place for RuFIG. English is allowed and has a separate folder for non-russian users. Now we have about 300 users, but 10-20 are active. Having an electronic design center, I'm not expecting any serious results... because I KNOW how to use Forth and sell devices driven by it. All forthers are welcomed, note registration must be approved manually because of hundreds of bots. Write you nick to hishnik7@rambler (dot) ru after completing registration.
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-05-17 11:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <420da408-4588-49f9-b908-e60a9c55e55e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47242 |
On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 2:14:23 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote: > > Forth-200x is full of hobbyists who just want to be experts because being an expert seems pretty fun, and Forth-200x has little or no qualification to be an expert, so it is an opportunity to be an expert programmer without actually programming. > > Nearly the same situation in Russia FIG. A lot of hobbyists who triyng to 'determine Forth roadmap', but don't use Forth for real projects. Almost the same situation with standards - SP-Forth by Andrey Cherezov claimed as 'Standard de-facto for Russia'. This product is not bad, but it targeting server application primarly and not suited well for desktop and embedded. Information noise around it is worse, because 'everyone should know we have SP-Forth and you should improve it instead of implement your own'. Nothing new here :) It is natural to want to be the Standard with a capital 'S'. If we ever make contact with the Sasquatch (I hope we don't), there is going to be trouble! The Sasquatch will refuse to become Christians because of the Christian doctrine that God created us (humans) in his own image. The truth is exactly the opposite, that we created God in our image --- presumably the Sasquatch have their own vision of God, big and hairy --- the inevitable result will be the Christians waging a war of genocide against the Sasquatch (this is why the Sasquatch are hiding from us!). Getting back to the subject of SPforth, I downloaded it. There was no source-code however. I got on the forum and asked how to obtain the source-code, but I was told that the source-code was provided with the download. It is not! I just forgot about SPforth after that. Also, SPforth has quotations, but they are just fake quotations --- they don't have access to the parent function's local variables --- so it wasn't really doing what I wanted anyway. I have my Stundurd design --- I gave it that name as a joke, to mock everybody who wants to be Standard.
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-17 15:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b1d44732-592e-400f-ab76-ff9e0b1520cc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47259 |
So Hugh how is your Stundurd forth coming along? LOL I like the play on words. Anyway what processor is it originally for? How big is the dictionary? Any benchmark tests? If so how fast is it? Does it require a OS? What language was it written in? Just curious.
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