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  Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. josv@planet.nl - 2016-01-13 04:55 -0800
    Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-01-13 14:26 +0100
      Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 15:02 -0800
        Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 18:18 -0500
          Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. josv@planet.nl - 2016-01-13 15:47 -0800
            Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-13 18:48 -0800
              Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 03:07 +0000
            Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-14 04:28 +0100
              Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. josv@planet.nl - 2016-01-26 08:57 -0800
                Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. november.nihal@gmail.com - 2016-01-27 10:13 -0800
                  Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 00:28 -0800
                    Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. josv@planet.nl - 2016-01-28 03:50 -0800
          Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-14 04:17 +0100
    Re: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-01-14 09:29 +1100
    Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-02-01 06:05 +0000
      Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. josv@planet.nl - 2016-02-01 04:03 -0800
        Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-02-01 13:41 +0000
          Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. josv@planet.nl - 2016-02-01 07:10 -0800
        Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-02-01 15:01 +0000
          Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. josv@planet.nl - 2016-02-01 07:18 -0800
            Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-02-01 19:59 +0000
              Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-02-01 23:13 +0100
                Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-02-02 02:09 -0500
                  Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 03:55 -0800
                    Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-02-02 14:13 +0100
                      Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 06:13 -0800
                        Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-02-03 12:00 +0000
                          Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-03 12:11 +0000
                          Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 07:27 -0800
                            Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. josv@planet.nl - 2016-02-04 01:00 -0800
                    Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-02-02 14:37 +0000
                      Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-02 15:56 +0000
                        Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-02-03 12:02 +0000
                      Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 08:28 -0800
                  Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-02 12:39 +0000
                Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-02 16:52 +0000
                  Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 14:11 -0800
                    Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-02-03 01:50 +0100
                      Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 05:56 -0800
    Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. pandoraefretum@googlemail.com - 2016-02-10 13:38 -0800
      Re: Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released. josv@planet.nl - 2016-02-11 06:53 -0800

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#44824 — Ann: A new version of Win32Forth has been released.

Win32Forth version 6.15.04 has been released.
On my PC the added Forth-installer took less then 2 minutes to decompress and install it.
You can download the new version from:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32forth/files

Jos

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#44825

Op Wed, 13 Jan 2016 04:55:49 -0800 (PST) schreef josv@planet.nl:

> Win32Forth version 6.15.04 has been released.
> On my PC the added Forth-installer took less then 2 minutes to decompress and install it.
> You can download the new version from:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32forth/files
> 
> Jos

I had to load it via my Linux virtual box and then copy to Windows, because
Norton deleted the download and assumed a virus. Rediculous.

Installs fine, some complaints about a f.p. library. Install does finish.

Nice, LOCATE works more than once and still points to the correct location.
The editor doesn't crash after closing it.

groet Coos

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#44844

Den onsdag 13 januari 2016 kl. 14:27:08 UTC+1 skrev Coos Haak:
> Op Wed, 13 Jan 2016 04:55:49 -0800 (PST) schreef josv@planet.nl:
> 
> > Win32Forth version 6.15.04 has been released.
> > On my PC the added Forth-installer took less then 2 minutes to decompress and install it.
> > You can download the new version from:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32forth/files
> > 
> > Jos
> 
> I had to load it via my Linux virtual box and then copy to Windows, because
> Norton deleted the download and assumed a virus. Rediculous.
> 
> Installs fine, some complaints about a f.p. library. Install does finish.
> 
> Nice, LOCATE works more than once and still points to the correct location.
> The editor doesn't crash after closing it.
> 
> groet Coos

McAfee consider Win32Forth to be a trojan.

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#44845

On 1/13/2016 6:02 PM, lehs wrote:
> Den onsdag 13 januari 2016 kl. 14:27:08 UTC+1 skrev Coos Haak:
>> Op Wed, 13 Jan 2016 04:55:49 -0800 (PST) schreef josv@planet.nl:
>>
>>> Win32Forth version 6.15.04 has been released.
>>> On my PC the added Forth-installer took less then 2 minutes to decompress and install it.
>>> You can download the new version from:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32forth/files
>>>
>>> Jos
>>
>> I had to load it via my Linux virtual box and then copy to Windows, because
>> Norton deleted the download and assumed a virus. Rediculous.
>>
>> Installs fine, some complaints about a f.p. library. Install does finish.
>>
>> Nice, LOCATE works more than once and still points to the correct location.
>> The editor doesn't crash after closing it.
>>
>> groet Coos
>
> McAfee consider Win32Forth to be a trojan.

The AVS I use will fix that sort of problem if you send them a sample 
file.  Will McAfee fix their product if you send them a sample?  This 
has come up before with Win32Forth.

-- 

Rick

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#44846

Hi,

Before Win32Forth was released I tested it with VirusTotaal.
Result:

Detection ratio:   8 / 55

Some results of the 55:

Antivirus       Result                                  Update
Antiy-AVL       Trojan/Win32.TSGeneric                  20160113 
Bkav            HW32.Packed.1440                        20160113 
Cyren           W32/Parasitic-Fileinfector-base         20160113
F-Prot          W32/Parasitic-Fileinfector-base         20160111 
Fortinet        W32/AutoRun.C!worm                      20160113 
McAfee-GW-Edition BehavesLike.Win32.FakeSecTool.wc      20160113 
Qihoo-360       HEUR/QVM19.1.Malware.Gen                20160113 
Rising          PE:Malware.XPACK/RDM!5.1 [F]            20160113 
AVG                                                     20160113 
McAfee                                                  20160113 
Microsoft                                               20160113
Symantec                                                20160112 

So I am a bit surprised to hear Norton and McAfee generate a false positive.
Telling those firms that it is a false positive is impossible for me since
they begin asking questions over their 'product' that I do not have.

So I would be happy if the owners of those Antivirus products will tell them
that it is a false positive.

Jos

On 14 januari 2016 00:18:04 UTC+1 rickman wrote:
> On 1/13/2016 6:02 PM, lehs wrote:
> > Den onsdag 13 januari 2016 kl. 14:27:08 UTC+1 skrev Coos Haak:
> >> Op Wed, 13 Jan 2016 04:55:49 -0800 (PST) schreef josv@...:
> >>
> >>> Win32Forth version 6.15.04 has been released.
> >>> On my PC the added Forth-installer took less then 2 minutes to decompress and install it.
> >>> You can download the new version from:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32forth/files
> >>>
> >>> Jos
> >>
> >> I had to load it via my Linux virtual box and then copy to Windows, because
> >> Norton deleted the download and assumed a virus. Rediculous.
> >>
> >> Installs fine, some complaints about a f.p. library. Install does finish.
> >>
> >> Nice, LOCATE works more than once and still points to the correct location.
> >> The editor doesn't crash after closing it.
> >>
> >> groet Coos
> >
> > McAfee consider Win32Forth to be a trojan.
> 
> The AVS I use will fix that sort of problem if you send them a sample 
> file.  Will McAfee fix their product if you send them a sample?  This 
> has come up before with Win32Forth.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick

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#44850

On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 4:47:27 PM UTC-7, jo...@planet.nl wrote:
> So I am a bit surprised to hear Norton and McAfee generate a false positive.

Does Alex McDonald still have write privilege? I'm more inclined to trust Norton and McAfee than Alex McDonald.

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#44851

hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 4:47:27 PM UTC-7, jo...@planet.nl wrote:
> > So I am a bit surprised to hear Norton and McAfee generate a false positive.
>
> Does Alex McDonald still have write privilege? I'm more
> inclined to trust Norton and McAfee than Alex McDonald.

I think that these anti-virus programs make quite a few
mistakes.  Years ago, one gave a false positive for
gforth.  Recently, one did the same for OCaml.

-- 
Amazon bans book.  After nearly a month on the site, all traces of the book and
its 80 reviews have been removed.
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015/11/debunking-sandy-hook-debunkers-5.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEl_1HWFRfo

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#44855

josv@planet.nl wrote:
> So I am a bit surprised to hear Norton and McAfee generate a false
> positive. Telling those firms that it is a false positive is impossible
> for me since they begin asking questions over their 'product' that I do
> not have.
> 
> So I would be happy if the owners of those Antivirus products will tell
> them that it is a false positive.

No, having submitted that to Virustotal, which operates the tools legally 
and licensed is perfectly ok.  You can directly address them with "I 
submitted the file to VirusTotal prior to distribution, and 8 (now 9) out of 
the entire 53 had a false positive; yours included. Fix that."

Fortunately, there's no false positive on Gforth, I'm just preparing a 
distribution, too.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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#45092

Hi,

There is some progress.
After the defender also blocked the installer I took  some action.
By now Microsoft and Semantec have removed their false positive.
Update your virus scanner when you still have a problem.
McAfee did not react at all. (&*^%*)

Jos

On 14 januari 2016 04:28:19 UTC+1 Bernd Paysan wrote:
> jos wrote:
> > So I am a bit surprised to hear Norton and McAfee generate a false
> > positive. Telling those firms that it is a false positive is impossible
> > for me since they begin asking questions over their 'product' that I do
> > not have.
> > 
> > So I would be happy if the owners of those Antivirus products will tell
> > them that it is a false positive.
> 
> No, having submitted that to Virustotal, which operates the tools legally 
> and licensed is perfectly ok.  You can directly address them with "I 
> submitted the file to VirusTotal prior to distribution, and 8 (now 9) out of 
> the entire 53 had a false positive; yours included. Fix that."
> 
> Fortunately, there's no false positive on Gforth, I'm just preparing a 
> distribution, too.
> 
> -- 
> Bernd Paysan
> "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*
> http://bernd-paysan.de/

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#45114

I am surprised that no one has asked the question what is it in the EXE that sets off the false positives. 

I don't have the email to hand but I am sure I read on the yahoo group that it was something to do the PE header.

Is that still the case or is it something completely different ?

NN

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#45131

On Wednesday, 27 January 2016 18:13:26 UTC, novembe...@gmail.com  wrote:
> I am surprised that no one has asked the question what is it in the EXE that sets off the false positives. 
> 
> I don't have the email to hand but I am sure I read on the yahoo group that it was something to do the PE header.
> 
> Is that still the case or is it something completely different ?
> 
> NN

I don't think it's the EXE per se. The anti-virus systems in question
have noticed that when these Forth systems are running, they write into
their own (executable) memory space. This is a known technique of virus
writers, where payload code is stored in an executable in an obfuscated
format, and unpacked at trigger time to deliver its payload/penis 
enhancment advert.

This then gets reported back to the Anti Virus Mothership, and that
particular EXE signature is thus ever marked as suspicious.

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#45137

On  28 januari 2016 09:28:15 UTC+1 Mark Wills wrote:

Good point from NN

Before I decided to notify the antivirus makers I looked into it.
At some point the code part of the PE image was changed into run and read only for a small program. That did not help. The scanner at VirusTotal stil reports false positives.
Most important was the comment from:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7621638/software-protection-code-obfuscation-that-does-not-trigger-antivirus-false-pos
"The false-positives come from "signatures" matching known malware. For example, if some malware uses upx to compress, and a scanner finds upx compiled into your app, you may be mis-identified.
You could get a false-positive just because a scanner saw that you are using Delphi (or any other compiler, for that matter). But the more obscure, the higher confidence that the scanner thinks: "I've found something UNIQUE in here", and cross-references with its catalog of known malware. "

"Packers that pack binaries will always produce a suspicious result since they act much like a virus would"

The solution from Microsoft was: 
Analyst Comments 

================ 

-- 1/26/2016 3:05:11 PM -- 

Signature removed 

Jos

> On Wednesday, 27 January 2016 18:13:26 UTC, novembe...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > I am surprised that no one has asked the question what is it in the EXE that sets off the false positives. 
> > 
> > I don't have the email to hand but I am sure I read on the yahoo group that it was something to do the PE header.
> > 
> > Is that still the case or is it something completely different ?
> > 
> > NN
> 
> I don't think it's the EXE per se. The anti-virus systems in question
> have noticed that when these Forth systems are running, they write into
> their own (executable) memory space. This is a known technique of virus
> writers, where payload code is stored in an executable in an obfuscated
> format, and unpacked at trigger time to deliver its payload/penis 
> enhancment advert.
> 
> This then gets reported back to the Anti Virus Mothership, and that
> particular EXE signature is thus ever marked as suspicious.

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#44852

rickman wrote:
> The AVS I use will fix that sort of problem if you send them a sample
> file.  Will McAfee fix their product if you send them a sample?  This
> has come up before with Win32Forth.

Virustotal shows that the following snake oil claims Win32Forth (most recent 
binary) to be "malware".

Antiy-AVL	Trojan/Win32.TSGeneric	20160114
Bkav	HW32.Packed.1440	20160113
Cyren	W32/Parasitic-Fileinfector-base	20160114
F-Prot	W32/Parasitic-Fileinfector-base	20160111
Fortinet	W32/AutoRun.C!worm	20160114
McAfee	Artemis!D3749C9E5EF9	20160114
McAfee-GW-Edition	BehavesLike.Win32.FakeSecTool.wc	20160114
Qihoo-360	HEUR/QVM19.1.Malware.Gen	20160114
Rising	PE:Malware.XPACK/RDM!5.1 [F]	20160113

Looks pretty scary ;-). I would have a word with the snake oil vendors if I 
was maintainer of Win32Forth.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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#44842 — Re: A new version of Win32Forth has been released.

josv@planet.nl wrote:
> Win32Forth version 6.15.04 has been released.
> On my PC the added Forth-installer took less then 2 minutes to decompress and install
> it. You can download the new version from:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32forth/files
>
> Jos

Is it mirrored elsewhere as sourceforge is incompatible with older browers.

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#45224

On 13/01/2016 12:55, josv@planet.nl wrote:
> Win32Forth version 6.15.04 has been released.
> On my PC the added Forth-installer took less then 2 minutes to decompress and install it.
> You can download the new version from:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32forth/files
>

Did you try running the ANS Forth/Forth 2012 test suite? Running them 
under 32 bit Windows 7 (with warnings turned off) doesn't even run the 
long established Hayes core.fr test program when it is INCLUDED. The 
output is:

---------------------------
Win32Forth: a 32 Bit Forth for Windows 95/98/ME/NT4/W2K/XP/VISTA/W7/W8/W10
Version: 6.15.04 Build: 4
Compiled: Monday, February 01 2016, 4:08AM
Platform: Windows 7 Home Premium, 8,747k bytes free
  2,813 Words in Application dictionary
  2,631 Words in System dictionary
  5,444 Words total in dictionaries
20,312 Windows Constants available
Loading Win32For.CFG
Loading Win32ForUser.CFG

Current directory is: D:\Projects\ForthApps\ForthSystemTests\ANSTests
Program path is:      d:\programs\Win32Forth\Win32for.exe
Forth path is:        d:\programs\Win32Forth\
Application path is:  not set

System Editor is:     Win32Forth IDE

Running ANS Forth and Forth 2012 test programs, version 0.13.1

*****************
^^^^^
Error(-13): ENGTH is undefined
   ok
-------------------

It seems to go haywire in the test:
T{ GE1 EVALUATE -> 123 }T         ( TEST EVALUATE IN INTERP. STATE )
and jumps several lines down in the test file. The 'ENGTH' in the error 
message seems to come from the line:
DROP -> 0 }T            \ BLANK LINE RETURN ZERO-LENGTH STRING

The tests work OK when typed in so is the problem to do with input 
source handling?


-- 
Gerry

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#45233

Hi Gerry,

Not recently. I just tried release 0.13 (27 Nov 2015) and experienced a number of errors.
The pack is a Forth 2012-test-suite
Win32Forth is based on the ANS Forth Standard X3J14 dated March 24, 1994.
Win32Forth does not claim to be a Forth 2012 system.
I do not know if all errors are due to this difference.

Jos

On februari 2016 07:05:21 UTC+1 Gerry wrote:
> On 13/01/2016 12:55, josv... wrote:
> > Win32Forth version 6.15.04 has been released.
> > On my PC the added Forth-installer took less then 2 minutes to decompress and install it.
> > You can download the new version from:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32forth/files
> >
> 
> Did you try running the ANS Forth/Forth 2012 test suite? Running them 
> under 32 bit Windows 7 (with warnings turned off) doesn't even run the 
> long established Hayes core.fr test program when it is INCLUDED. The 
> output is:
> 
> ---------------------------
> Win32Forth: a 32 Bit Forth for Windows 95/98/ME/NT4/W2K/XP/VISTA/W7/W8/W10
> Version: 6.15.04 Build: 4
> Compiled: Monday, February 01 2016, 4:08AM
> Platform: Windows 7 Home Premium, 8,747k bytes free
>   2,813 Words in Application dictionary
>   2,631 Words in System dictionary
>   5,444 Words total in dictionaries
> 20,312 Windows Constants available
> Loading Win32For.CFG
> Loading Win32ForUser.CFG
> 
> Current directory is: D:\Projects\ForthApps\ForthSystemTests\ANSTests
> Program path is:      d:\programs\Win32Forth\Win32for.exe
> Forth path is:        d:\programs\Win32Forth\
> Application path is:  not set
> 
> System Editor is:     Win32Forth IDE
> 
> Running ANS Forth and Forth 2012 test programs, version 0.13.1
> 
> *****************
> ^^^^^
> Error(-13): ENGTH is undefined
>    ok
> -------------------
> 
> It seems to go haywire in the test:
> T{ GE1 EVALUATE -> 123 }T         ( TEST EVALUATE IN INTERP. STATE )
> and jumps several lines down in the test file. The 'ENGTH' in the error 
> message seems to come from the line:
> DROP -> 0 }T            \ BLANK LINE RETURN ZERO-LENGTH STRING
> 
> The tests work OK when typed in so is the problem to do with input 
> source handling?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Gerry

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#45234

On 01/02/2016 12:03, josv@planet.nl wrote:
> Hi Gerry,
>
> Not recently. I just tried release 0.13 (27 Nov 2015) and experienced a number of errors.
> The pack is a Forth 2012-test-suite
> Win32Forth is based on the ANS Forth Standard X3J14 dated March 24, 1994.
> Win32Forth does not claim to be a Forth 2012 system.
> I do not know if all errors are due to this difference.
>

I only mentioned core.fr which doesn't contain any Forth 2012 words, 
only ANS Forth core words. The test that fails is definitely ANS Forth:

TESTING EVALUATE

: GE1 S" 123" ; IMMEDIATE
: GE2 S" 123 1+" ; IMMEDIATE
: GE3 S" : GE4 345 ;" ;
: GE5 EVALUATE ; IMMEDIATE

T{ GE1 EVALUATE -> 123 }T			( TEST EVALUATE IN INTERP. STATE )

which works in isolation but not when the file core.fr is INCLUDED. It 
doesn't just fail the test, it seems to skip lines of code in the file.

Do you have another test suite that you run to prove the system every 
time you modify or add something and when you release a new version? If 
so it ought to include at least core.fr. If not how do you and 
Win32Forth users have confidence that Win32Forth doesn't fail simple 
things such as the above?

Aren't you ever going to update Win32Forth to Forth 2012? If not it will 
fall behind the other major desktop systems.

Gerry

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#45236

Hi,

Win32Forth will get behind due to a lack of active developers at this moment.
Perhaps (I hope) that will change in the future.

Jos

1 februari 2016 14:41:05 UTC+1 wrote Gerry:
> On 01/02/2016 12:03, jos... wrote:
> > Hi Gerry,
> >
> > Not recently. I just tried release 0.13 (27 Nov 2015) and experienced a number of errors.
> > The pack is a Forth 2012-test-suite
> > Win32Forth is based on the ANS Forth Standard X3J14 dated March 24, 1994.
> > Win32Forth does not claim to be a Forth 2012 system.
> > I do not know if all errors are due to this difference.
> >
> 
> I only mentioned core.fr which doesn't contain any Forth 2012 words, 
> only ANS Forth core words. The test that fails is definitely ANS Forth:
> 
> TESTING EVALUATE
> 
> : GE1 S" 123" ; IMMEDIATE
> : GE2 S" 123 1+" ; IMMEDIATE
> : GE3 S" : GE4 345 ;" ;
> : GE5 EVALUATE ; IMMEDIATE
> 
> T{ GE1 EVALUATE -> 123 }T			( TEST EVALUATE IN INTERP. STATE )
> 
> which works in isolation but not when the file core.fr is INCLUDED. It 
> doesn't just fail the test, it seems to skip lines of code in the file.
> 
> Do you have another test suite that you run to prove the system every 
> time you modify or add something and when you release a new version? If 
> so it ought to include at least core.fr. If not how do you and 
> Win32Forth users have confidence that Win32Forth doesn't fail simple 
> things such as the above?
> 
> Aren't you ever going to update Win32Forth to Forth 2012? If not it will 
> fall behind the other major desktop systems.
> 
> Gerry

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#45235

josv@planet.nl writes:

>Hi Gerry,

>Not recently. I just tried release 0.13 (27 Nov 2015) and experienced a number of errors.
>The pack is a Forth 2012-test-suite
>Win32Forth is based on the ANS Forth Standard X3J14 dated March 24, 1994.
>Win32Forth does not claim to be a Forth 2012 system.
>I do not know if all errors are due to this difference.

>Jos

>On februari 2016 07:05:21 UTC+1 Gerry wrote:
>> On 13/01/2016 12:55, josv... wrote:
>> > Win32Forth version 6.15.04 has been released.
>> > On my PC the added Forth-installer took less then 2 minutes to decompress and install it.
>> > You can download the new version from:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32forth/files
>> >
>>
>> Did you try running the ANS Forth/Forth 2012 test suite? Running them
>> under 32 bit Windows 7 (with warnings turned off) doesn't even run the
>> long established Hayes core.fr test program when it is INCLUDED. The
>> output is:
>>
>> ---------------------------
>> Win32Forth: a 32 Bit Forth for Windows 95/98/ME/NT4/W2K/XP/VISTA/W7/W8/W10
>> Version: 6.15.04 Build: 4
>> Compiled: Monday, February 01 2016, 4:08AM
>> Platform: Windows 7 Home Premium, 8,747k bytes free
>>   2,813 Words in Application dictionary
>>   2,631 Words in System dictionary
>>   5,444 Words total in dictionaries
>> 20,312 Windows Constants available
>> Loading Win32For.CFG
>> Loading Win32ForUser.CFG
>>
>> Current directory is: D:\Projects\ForthApps\ForthSystemTests\ANSTests
>> Program path is:      d:\programs\Win32Forth\Win32for.exe
>> Forth path is:        d:\programs\Win32Forth\
>> Application path is:  not set
>>
>> System Editor is:     Win32Forth IDE
>>
>> Running ANS Forth and Forth 2012 test programs, version 0.13.1
>>
>> *****************
>> ^^^^^
>> Error(-13): ENGTH is undefined
>>    ok
>> -------------------
>>
>> It seems to go haywire in the test:
>> T{ GE1 EVALUATE -> 123 }T         ( TEST EVALUATE IN INTERP. STATE )
>> and jumps several lines down in the test file. The 'ENGTH' in the error
>> message seems to come from the line:
>> DROP -> 0 }T            \ BLANK LINE RETURN ZERO-LENGTH STRING
>>
>> The tests work OK when typed in so is the problem to do with input
>> source handling?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gerry

Input source handling can be tricky. If you copied the test from a
unix system without converting it to a MS-DOS text file, tests
may fail.
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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#45237

Indeed, When i loaded core.fr into the IDE and saved it, it ran without problems.

Jos

On 1 februari 2016 16:01:52 UTC+1 Albert van der Horst wrote:
> jos... writes:
> 
> >Hi Gerry,
> 
> >Not recently. I just tried release 0.13 (27 Nov 2015) and experienced a number of errors.
> >The pack is a Forth 2012-test-suite
> >Win32Forth is based on the ANS Forth Standard X3J14 dated March 24, 1994.
> >Win32Forth does not claim to be a Forth 2012 system.
> >I do not know if all errors are due to this difference.
> 
> >Jos
> 
> >On februari 2016 07:05:21 UTC+1 Gerry wrote:
> >> On 13/01/2016 12:55, josv... wrote:
> >> > Win32Forth version 6.15.04 has been released.
> >> > On my PC the added Forth-installer took less then 2 minutes to decompress and install it.
> >> > You can download the new version from:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32forth/files
> >> >
> >>
> >> Did you try running the ANS Forth/Forth 2012 test suite? Running them
> >> under 32 bit Windows 7 (with warnings turned off) doesn't even run the
> >> long established Hayes core.fr test program when it is INCLUDED. The
> >> output is:
> >>
> >> ---------------------------
> >> Win32Forth: a 32 Bit Forth for Windows 95/98/ME/NT4/W2K/XP/VISTA/W7/W8/W10
> >> Version: 6.15.04 Build: 4
> >> Compiled: Monday, February 01 2016, 4:08AM
> >> Platform: Windows 7 Home Premium, 8,747k bytes free
> >>   2,813 Words in Application dictionary
> >>   2,631 Words in System dictionary
> >>   5,444 Words total in dictionaries
> >> 20,312 Windows Constants available
> >> Loading Win32For.CFG
> >> Loading Win32ForUser.CFG
> >>
> >> Current directory is: D:\Projects\ForthApps\ForthSystemTests\ANSTests
> >> Program path is:      d:\programs\Win32Forth\Win32for.exe
> >> Forth path is:        d:\programs\Win32Forth\
> >> Application path is:  not set
> >>
> >> System Editor is:     Win32Forth IDE
> >>
> >> Running ANS Forth and Forth 2012 test programs, version 0.13.1
> >>
> >> *****************
> >> ^^^^^
> >> Error(-13): ENGTH is undefined
> >>    ok
> >> -------------------
> >>
> >> It seems to go haywire in the test:
> >> T{ GE1 EVALUATE -> 123 }T         ( TEST EVALUATE IN INTERP. STATE )
> >> and jumps several lines down in the test file. The 'ENGTH' in the error
> >> message seems to come from the line:
> >> DROP -> 0 }T            \ BLANK LINE RETURN ZERO-LENGTH STRING
> >>
> >> The tests work OK when typed in so is the problem to do with input
> >> source handling?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gerry
> 
> Input source handling can be tricky. If you copied the test from a
> unix system without converting it to a MS-DOS text file, tests
> may fail.
> -- 
> Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
> Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
> albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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