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Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration

Started byChing-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com>
First post2015-07-05 04:29 -0700
Last post2015-07-10 02:26 -0700
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  Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 04:29 -0700
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-05 16:06 +0100
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 20:01 +0300
        Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-05 22:23 +0100
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration bettilyona@gmail.com - 2015-07-06 08:02 -0700
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 15:46 -0700
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-06 08:17 +0100
        Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-07-06 11:39 +0100
          Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-06 15:17 +0100
        Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-06 20:54 +0100
          Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-07-06 12:14 -1000
          Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-06 18:56 -0700
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration josv@planet.nl - 2015-07-06 03:07 -0700
        Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-06 16:13 +0100
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 08:31 -0400
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 03:14 -0700
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 03:30 -0700
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-06 15:21 +0100
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 12:29 -0400
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 03:21 -0700
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 16:25 -0700
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-07 07:59 +0100
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 21:41 -0700
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 02:43 -0700
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 03:10 -0700
        Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 03:17 -0700
          Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration mhx@iae.nl - 2015-07-07 11:31 -0700
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 03:18 -0700
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 08:38 -0400
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 03:25 -0700
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 21:59 -0700
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-07-08 13:04 +0100
        Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration josv@planet.nl - 2015-07-08 14:39 -0700
        Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-07-08 21:30 -0700
          Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 01:20 -0400
            Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration josv@planet.nl - 2015-07-09 04:19 -0700
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 15:50 -0700
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 19:39 -0400
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration josv@planet.nl - 2015-07-09 04:17 -0700
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration josv@planet.nl - 2015-07-09 04:27 -0700
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 05:56 -0700
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration josv@planet.nl - 2015-07-09 09:48 -0700
        Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 13:00 -0400
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 15:39 -0700
      Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 19:05 -0700
    Re: Release Win32Forth AVS virus report testing code declaration Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 02:26 -0700

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#40375

FromChing-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-06 16:25 -0700
Message-ID<c48a84fa-1cc6-41b8-8bb0-b344508f3999@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40308
To all,

Thanks to read my one article. Only this point is worth to reply.

There are still more materials can read if you like, don't read if you don't like, up to you. Problems are not one in float.f only. There are many others still. I am interesting in showing my personal FORTH spirit opinions in Chinese according to my real practice only. And I am sure now the last results still are: you say yours, I say mine. In Chinese means chicken talk to duck. It is totally the same as following fact.

In fact, topic is just only one: AVS reports Win32Forth has virus, one of the reasons is owing to WriteConsoleA calling. Does anybody changing this report from AVS for many years? No, didn't.

I have never said that anybody should not use .dll function calling in Win OS. I use as well. I am just don't like to study it deeply. Somebody you'd better don't put any your thinking dipped in gall to others. That means I found c.l.f. here your thinking and talking are always dipped in gall.

I wish no reply to my posting but still have some. I am certainly sure it is on purpose. Ignore all of them, and my article is still over there, I said what I saw. So, you do yours, I do mine. No more comments.

Ching

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#40387

From"Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com>
Date2015-07-07 07:59 +0100
Message-ID<mnft9e$oa2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#40375
on 07/07/2015 00:25:03, Ching-Tang Tseng wrote:
> To all,

To Ching specifically.

> 
> Thanks to read my one article. Only this point is worth to reply.
> 
> There are still more materials can read if you like, don't read if you
> don' t like, up to you. Problems are not one in float.f only. There
> are many oth ers still. 

Accusing the contributors of code to Win32Forth of copyright infringement
is a serious charge, and you are potentially damaging reputations by your
actions. Besides which, I'm personally pissed off with your attitude. 

Since you now agree that the claim you made about FLOAT.F is incorrect, I
must insist you remove the claim from your website. I would ask you to
point to any other copyright infringements or withdraw publically and
completely your claim that Win32Forth has copyright problems.

> In fact, topic is just only one: AVS reports Win32Forth has virus, one
> of t he reasons is owing to WriteConsoleA calling. Does anybody
> changing this re port from AVS for many years? No, didn't.

This is not the case, since your analysis of where the problem lies is
flawed. You cannot have done what you claimed to have done, since the
Win32Forth call mechanism doesn't generate the binary code you claim is
the problem. Win32Forth is an ITC. And as a Win32Forth user you don't
have the ability to build a Win32Forth distribution to test against your
AVS.

In the last month the number of hits reported by virustotal.com has gone
down from 9 to 7. They are all spurious false positives.

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#40381

FromChing-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-06 21:41 -0700
Message-ID<35c95709-7601-4d22-b8f4-b03f15759d99@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40308
Hugh,

Thanks, nice to see you here again.

I am busy on programming; don't like to reply anything to some useless arguments.

Who is who? And who did what? Here it is. They are coming here automatically. Nothing changed and had been happened things is impossible changed. Let them be here.

Ching

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#40393

FromChing-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-07 02:43 -0700
Message-ID<904899ca-81e9-4a69-9960-7a1b03be94b4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40308
FACE TO FACT! DO NOT SHAMELESS again and again!

You do yours, I do mine. I run MY Win32Forth. It is not an ugly occupier yours. Don't be a shameless liar again; I can finish my test to prove your problem because only Windows website can support total exactly right calling arguments, you don't have. Where is yours? Why do I have to use yours? I am very happy can have this reason stop to release my testing code to anybody from now on. Let my real friend has my code only. Let everybody remember you ugly occupier do dirty thing in public domain to everybody again and again, ugly enough!


Ching

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#40394

FromMark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-07 03:10 -0700
Message-ID<078d98e5-9fb6-4c68-9cb6-2982562c74c0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40393
On Tuesday, 7 July 2015 10:43:19 UTC+1, Ching-Tang Tseng  wrote:
> FACE TO FACT! DO NOT SHAMELESS again and again!
> 
> You do yours, I do mine. I run MY Win32Forth. It is not an ugly occupier yours. Don't be a shameless liar again; I can finish my test to prove your problem because only Windows website can support total exactly right calling arguments, you don't have. Where is yours? Why do I have to use yours? I am very happy can have this reason stop to release my testing code to anybody from now on. Let my real friend has my code only. Let everybody remember you ugly occupier do dirty thing in public domain to everybody again and again, ugly enough!
> 
> 
> Ching


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ????????

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#40395

FromMark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-07 03:17 -0700
Message-ID<584018a4-c925-48bd-98a0-15f3bb6c33b7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40394
On Tuesday, 7 July 2015 11:10:56 UTC+1, Mark Wills  wrote:
> On Tuesday, 7 July 2015 10:43:19 UTC+1, Ching-Tang Tseng  wrote:
> > FACE TO FACT! DO NOT SHAMELESS again and again!
> > 
> > You do yours, I do mine. I run MY Win32Forth. It is not an ugly occupier yours. Don't be a shameless liar again; I can finish my test to prove your problem because only Windows website can support total exactly right calling arguments, you don't have. Where is yours? Why do I have to use yours? I am very happy can have this reason stop to release my testing code to anybody from now on. Let my real friend has my code only. Let everybody remember you ugly occupier do dirty thing in public domain to everybody again and again, ugly enough!
> > 
> > 
> > Ching
> 
> 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ????????

Can I have a go?

To coin a phrase, the value of the sanctioned affirming flexibility
develops a vision to leverage the slippery slope. One is struck quite
forcibly by the fact that the lessons learnt has no other function
than to provide The established analysis and design methodology. The
advent of the consultative additional element essentially reflects the
expressive discordance on a strictly limited basis. To coin a phrase,
the target population for what might be described as the characteristic
associative transposition signifies the quasi-effectual naturalistic
legitimisation. This may be due to a lack of a evolutional test
antithesis.. One can, quite consistently, say that the underlying
surrealism of the mindset symbolizes the key principles behind the
crucial indicative transposition and poses problems and challenges for
both the calculus of consequence and the universe of insight. In the
light of the all-inclusiveness of the active process of information
gathering, it is clear that the requirements of functional baseline
has the intrinsic benefit of resilience, unlike the the characteristic
effective constraints. The sensibility is of a phylogenetic nature.
It is common knowledge that a persistent instability in what might be
described as the appreciation of vested responsibilities provides the
context for the actual transposition. We can then strictly play back
our understanding of the aims and constraints. This may be due to a
lack of a numinous desiderata..

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#40405

Frommhx@iae.nl
Date2015-07-07 11:31 -0700
Message-ID<12483e57-3cb4-4f21-b05b-a7a25d53a831@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40395
On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:17:31 PM UTC+2, Mark Wills wrote:
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ????????
> 
> Can I have a go?
> 
> To coin a phrase, the value of the sanctioned affirming flexibility
> develops a vision to leverage the slippery slope. [..]

Great use of Starting Forth's Word Game! Mod parent up.

=marcel

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#40396

FromChing-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-07 03:18 -0700
Message-ID<19ee0637-2f97-412a-ac07-78cf00ab5df8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40308
Can you stop ugly talking totally?

If not, I stop. Whatever you post again, No reply from now on.

Ching

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#40400

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-07 08:38 -0400
Message-ID<mngh5t$pgd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#40396
On 7/7/2015 6:18 AM, Ching-Tang Tseng wrote:
> Can you stop ugly talking totally?
>
> If not, I stop. Whatever you post again, No reply from now on.

Silly boy.  When you stop, he will stop.  I find it very funny that you 
post many times that you will stop posting and yet here you are still 
posting so many more times.

I find your posts to be very ugly and repulsive.  I can't see how you 
actually know much about forth.  Or at least you understand little about 
forth.  If you don't know the difference between a false positive AVS 
report and a bug in Forth, you can't know much about forth at all.

-- 

Rick

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#40397

FromChing-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-07 03:25 -0700
Message-ID<83c8418c-8471-4ee5-8083-a5a290183da7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40308
Mark,

Sorry, I mean stop to Alex only not to any others. 

My posting has delay a little than yours. 

Ching

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#40411

FromChing-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-07 21:59 -0700
Message-ID<ca170d72-8dd0-4938-936a-633533a59f46@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40308
To Mark,

I read your reply last night before went to sleep. Thanks with polite for your coining. And reply with polite here as well. I should let you "go" at least one time, and then stop all. It is not violate my fundamental principle if consider politeness.

Yes, from your side, all are just as what you can see and what you said, from my side are absolutely not.
Said it as a "sanction" is too serious. All are historical record only. 
If your response was posted 5 years ago, a vision to leverage the slippery slope may be still effective. Now, result is fixed, not fixed on sanction, fixed on record of one person's name.

I am still believe that most of the contributors in Win32Forth system are good and should give respects to. 5 years ago, I did Win32Forth system evaluation for my FORTH community exclusively, because nobody liked to do this thing. It is inevitable had to announce everything to our public. I wrote it in my articles; must tell all truth, concentrate on the system difference before and after version 4.2. I pinpointed out many critical problems after version 4.2 to our FORTH community, but had never marked any person's name with it. 

So, your response would be effective to us 5 years ago, now ineffective, but from your side, now is still effective, and this is not the point I have to concern.

In fact, before I posted out the message started with "No wonder" that one, nobody in our community knows who did this thing makes serious problems created out after version 4.2. Originally, I started to talk about AVS virus report is not for this purpose. But, things happened from himself, he told us about the detail: who is the really one did that thing. Now, this historical record is very effective to my FORTH community, to you, may be it is nothing.

Win32Forth is one and the only one standard system for FORTH promotion in our community from the beginning. We have to say many thanks to Tom Zimmer and all contributors during that era. We sincerely remember in all of our life the using principle from Tom Zimmer is:

***** Let everybody can build the shoulders of others, rather than their toes!!! *****

BUT! After version 4.2, everything changed. Toes of Win32Forth changed immediately on purpose to a terrible condition to us. For Example: 
 
(1) non-English character display is abnormal to us and no longer could be using freely and totally,
(2) graphics can not to be easily saved in new graphical environment, only Windemo from Tom Zimmer's creation can,
(3) rare using visual color editor if exist, is always influence the editing from WinEd when modify the program,
(4) after a long period of time using, we found above PAD+n memory has been used for tool bar display, waste us a lot of time to find it out,
(5) voice output design can not to be fixed in the target, make us can develop Chinese voice output by *.wav files method only, 
(6) almost nobody can operate the new meta-compiler again, only can use touch, touch operation to create a little thing. 
(7) huge memory size setting of system is out of control by everybody...etc. 

I think, during that days, only me was still insisted keep going to use Win32Forth but with very painful feeling and try to solve all problems by ourselves. We struggled a few years, BUT USELESS! 

And now all above serious problems of system after version 4.2 are meaningless.

This year, the chair man of our community, after a meeting, announced that: 

***** Abandon Win32Forth to be our standard promotion system. ***** 

Announcement is opened to whole world on website. It is a big pity to me especially. More than thousand files have to stop using for promote FORTH. Most of them were developed from version 4.2. Just a few were from after version 4.2, owing to there was nobody likes to help me again after version 4.2.

I have no choice, must to face to the fact now. I am still using Win32Forth in private domain (will never public) and only a few persons in our community are still do the same thing as me. I think most of them were angry with "after version 4.2" in their mind but with no temper for many years. I can not help anything except let it pass over. I am tired, will retire at the end of this year, and no more things can contribute to our community again.

These 20 something years history may not so worth to everybody here. And almost can say that nobody in our community knows who changed the Win32Forth "toes" before this discussion thread. Now clear enough. Confucius philosophy said:
 
Must clarify the real name, it is absolutely necessary.

I didn't, somebody did himself. I have never thought that it was happened here, and now, before I retired.

This later history is not full matched to your description, so, means nothing to you, but means SOMETHING very important to us. 

Leverage fixed rigidly to us. You and Marcel don't have to care, can reply. We care, don't have to reply. I personally do it here is enough.

My English is really poor, even reading to understand all message here is still not so easy. But I am encourage myself to do as much as I can. I spent time to finish this reply to you seriously, and all contents will be worth to spread out to my community as well. I have many my personal readers are always waiting for my articles. 
As to another rubbish posting, I will no reply, and let his poor speaking be there, let our community can more easy to recognize strongly about his behavior. 
I think you and Marcel are gentleman, so do something to reply. 
AVS virus report is really a nothing topic. It is meaningless to me. Don't have to talk any more.
My temper is not so good but not means all Chinese are the same as me.

Ching

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#40414

From"Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com>
Date2015-07-08 13:04 +0100
Message-ID<mnj3hn$d4k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#40411
on 08/07/2015 05:59:34, Ching-Tang Tseng wrote:


> 
> I think, during that days, only me was still insisted keep going to
> use Win 32Forth but with very painful feeling and try to solve all
> problems by ours elves. We struggled a few years, BUT USELESS!
> 
> And now all above serious problems of system after version 4.2 are
> meaningl ess.
> 
> This year, the chair man of our community, after a meeting, announced
> that:
> 
> 
> ***** Abandon Win32Forth to be our standard promotion system. *****

You mean, use version 4.2 rather than version 6.x.

In my time (2004-2011) the Win32Forth group as far as I know and can
remember did not get a single request for help, nor a single request for
improvement, nor a single bug report from you or any other Chinese user.

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#40431

Fromjosv@planet.nl
Date2015-07-08 14:39 -0700
Message-ID<925ac2d6-7b6e-448b-804e-ece7cad63d85@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40414
> You mean, use version 4.2 rather than version 6.x.

No, I think we will get a download link to a new nice chinese Forth-system with an English manual.

Jos

On July 8th, 201514:04:30 UTC+2 Alex McDonald wrote:
> on 08/07/2015 05:59:34, Ching-Tang Tseng wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > I think, during that days, only me was still insisted keep going to
> > use Win 32Forth but with very painful feeling and try to solve all
> > problems by ours elves. We struggled a few years, BUT USELESS!
> > 
> > And now all above serious problems of system after version 4.2 are
> > meaningl ess.
> > 
> > This year, the chair man of our community, after a meeting, announced
> > that:
> > 
> > 
> > ***** Abandon Win32Forth to be our standard promotion system. *****
> 
> You mean, use version 4.2 rather than version 6.x.
> 
> In my time (2004-2011) the Win32Forth group as far as I know and can
> remember did not get a single request for help, nor a single request for
> improvement, nor a single bug report from you or any other Chinese user.

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#40442

Fromhughaguilar96@gmail.com
Date2015-07-08 21:30 -0700
Message-ID<6409fc1d-3509-4df5-8856-b733253c6132@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40414
On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 5:04:30 AM UTC-7, Alex McDonald wrote:
> on 08/07/2015 05:59:34, Ching-Tang Tseng wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > I think, during that days, only me was still insisted keep going to
> > use Win 32Forth but with very painful feeling and try to solve all
> > problems by ours elves. We struggled a few years, BUT USELESS!
> > 
> > And now all above serious problems of system after version 4.2 are
> > meaningl ess.
> > 
> > This year, the chair man of our community, after a meeting, announced
> > that:
> > 
> > 
> > ***** Abandon Win32Forth to be our standard promotion system. *****
> 
> You mean, use version 4.2 rather than version 6.x.

I abandoned Win32Forth because of Alex McDonald --- anything that Alex McDonald is associated with is corrupt and should be ignored completely.

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#40444

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-09 01:20 -0400
Message-ID<mnl07l$1jp$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#40442
On 7/9/2015 12:30 AM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 5:04:30 AM UTC-7, Alex McDonald wrote:
>> on 08/07/2015 05:59:34, Ching-Tang Tseng wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think, during that days, only me was still insisted keep going to
>>> use Win 32Forth but with very painful feeling and try to solve all
>>> problems by ours elves. We struggled a few years, BUT USELESS!
>>>
>>> And now all above serious problems of system after version 4.2 are
>>> meaningl ess.
>>>
>>> This year, the chair man of our community, after a meeting, announced
>>> that:
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** Abandon Win32Forth to be our standard promotion system. *****
>>
>> You mean, use version 4.2 rather than version 6.x.
>
> I abandoned Win32Forth because of Alex McDonald --- anything that Alex McDonald is associated with is corrupt and should be ignored completely.

Many say the same thing about you...  I'm just sayin'

-- 

Rick

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#40454

Fromjosv@planet.nl
Date2015-07-09 04:19 -0700
Message-ID<12ba8863-c37d-4237-a1f4-5a7afcd7d693@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40444
Hi Rick,

It is indeed a pity that there seems to exist all kinds of hate relations around here.
Instead of using that energy to stimulate/extend/improve Forth the energy is used in a negative way against each other. Quite a waste!

Jos

July 9th, 2015 07:20:12 UTC+2 Rickman wrote:
> On 7/9/2015 12:30 AM, hugh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 5:04:30 AM UTC-7, Alex McDonald wrote:
> >> on 08/07/2015 05:59:34, Ching-Tang Tseng wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I think, during that days, only me was still insisted keep going to
> >>> use Win 32Forth but with very painful feeling and try to solve all
> >>> problems by ours elves. We struggled a few years, BUT USELESS!
> >>>
> >>> And now all above serious problems of system after version 4.2 are
> >>> meaningl ess.
> >>>
> >>> This year, the chair man of our community, after a meeting, announced
> >>> that:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ***** Abandon Win32Forth to be our standard promotion system. *****
> >>
> >> You mean, use version 4.2 rather than version 6.x.
> >
> > I abandoned Win32Forth because of Alex McDonald --- anything that Alex McDonald is associated with is corrupt and should be ignored completely.
> 
> Many say the same thing about you...  I'm just sayin'
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick

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#40432

FromChing-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-08 15:50 -0700
Message-ID<ed1263a4-2213-4c7b-9559-c258070c898b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40308
Thanks to Jos. 

To Alex,

I reply again, owing to a peaceful message. 

But I still have to clarify something first.

If you insist you can occupy a public domain system, and announced that prohibited me to use it, I will not answer any question to you. In Fact, except you can get the total copyright from United State government, then you have the right to do this, and otherwise I am always having the right to use any public domain system. Please remember the real creator is Tom Zimmer and Andrew Mckewan originally. 

And original float.f contributor Robert Smith had ever showed his enthusiasm would like to keep going to contribute correction for his testing version donation float.f, but somebody stops this kindly contribution owing to his irrational reply in public domain. I say what I saw. Who can give me back our Robert Smith's enthusiasm? Otherwise, how can anyone do the prohibition to me?

I wrote many occurred in fact things in my articles to show the reason while I prefer to modify the problems by ourselves. I had never said that "use version 4.2 rather than version 6.x" is a forever thing, just had ever said that depends on the public decision and I followed, but advice all members in my community, use version 6.x with careful attitude.

I am not an irrational person and still have the enthusiasm to contribute some little techniques to public, especially for Win32Forth. But my temper is not so well; dare to say any kinds of positive opinions in public domain, if bad words are coming, more bad words will be sending back. If you like, you are welcome have me to be a good friend to you, and let's work together to do something for future's Win32Forth. It is up to you.

I use FORTH and study everything for FORTH everyday for more than 30 years. As to my ability is good or bad, depends on public people's thinking, not a can said thing by myself. After you clarify my question in public here, then we can discuss any problem related to Win32Forth, or test all Win32Forth performance for public, one by one, step by step. Otherwise, it's time peacefully to finish everything now. Tell the truth, I prefer to enjoy FORTH alone; owing to I am a retired man already, have resting value only.

Ching

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#40434

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-08 19:39 -0400
Message-ID<mnkc9k$k04$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#40432
On 7/8/2015 6:50 PM, Ching-Tang Tseng wrote:
>
> I am not an irrational person....

I, for one, would dispute this.

I think it is pretty clear that you are only here to create drama.

-- 

Rick

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#40453

Fromjosv@planet.nl
Date2015-07-09 04:17 -0700
Message-ID<b85c9abf-f626-416c-85e1-2720a6a0fcd2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40308
Hi Ching,

I wonder if you ever took a look at:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/win32forth/info
or
http://win32forth.sourceforge.net/howtojoin.htm

Jos

On July 5th, 2015 13:29:15 UTC+2 Ching-Tang Tseng wrote:
> To all readers,
> 
> I will do what I said: no reply, no comment from me to any dirty reader here.
> 
> After 5 years, a code monkey is still being a code monkey. He found his virus report. Until 5 years past, he is still can do the same thing "just complained" only, what can I say to such a monkey? Answer is "No reply, no comment forever". Unfortunately, face to such a monkey; make me have no interesting to post my total testing code here.
> 
> Everybody has the same "AVS virus report" problem while he installed Win32Forth into W7, me too. It means this is not happened recently. So I don't have to emphasize when this problem was happened to me and had been discussed in my FORTH community already. But I do what I should to do, never to do what a monkey used to do.
> 
> Monkeys must to learn "how to learn forth?" Otherwise, monkeys can only just g-g-footh all his life long. I am always hear this monkey's g-g- sound here.
> 
> If anybody is still have the interesting in my testing code, you are welcome to contact me directly and have my little testing code file free. Monkeys are prohibited! 
> 
> This Win32Forth AVS virus topic is just coming out again here few days ago. Owing to this monkey, I am very sorry; I will not post these codes here or that thread there.
> 
> I am feeling that most FORTH novice didn't used to practice programming by protocol phenomena (or means a few fixed procedures get together simultaneously), and always wish to implement out a system problem by a few FORTH words, for example discussing about Matrices structure design. My code may show you these phenomena and help a little.
> 
> Even though this code is writing in Win64 assembly, total procedures and contents are sorted out from Win32Forth for testing, can show you a delicate procedure at least. Testing result for the moment may tell you what the Win64 OS can or can not let general FORTH system do the keyboard I/O on the command console via this kind of function calling from kernel.dll only? It may help something to create a Win64 public domain FORTH. 
> 
> This file can be implementing out by just type in
> 
> >FASM ex.asm
> 
> Then generate an executable file ex.exe in less than 0.5 sec. You can execute it in command console directly and see the result. We don't have so many typical Win64 assembly demo code source now. Here is mine one. You may don't have to execute it and just read it for my posting reference.
> 
> After I post this declaration out, I will tidy up my code for e-mail sending tomorrow. It may still keep a few Chinese explanations inside for Chinese reader. Please don't contact me if without sincerity. How to contact me? Please refer to my personal website.
> 
> http://forthfortnight.blogspot.co.nz/
> 
> Please don't reply anything here. I will not reply any words here.
> 
> Ching

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#40455

Fromjosv@planet.nl
Date2015-07-09 04:27 -0700
Message-ID<465aeed1-e923-4ea6-a785-2a5fafd67bee@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#40453
Sorry, my reply was ment as a reply to the latest msg of Ching and not the starting msg of this thread.

On July 5th, 2015  13:17:52 UTC+2 schreef jo...@planet.nl:
> Hi Ching,
> 
> I wonder if you ever took a look at:
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/win32forth/info
> or
> http://win32forth.sourceforge.net/howtojoin.htm
> 
> Jos

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