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| Started by | Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2015-05-04 09:44 -0700 |
| Last post | 2015-05-08 16:22 -0700 |
| Articles | 12 on this page of 112 — 22 participants |
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FORTH - How Does It Work? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-04 09:44 -0700
FORTH - How Does It Work? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-04 10:21 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-04 11:00 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 03:03 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-05 11:31 +0000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 01:31 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-05 08:49 +0000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-05-05 11:16 +0200
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 02:33 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-05-04 08:49 -1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-04 19:13 +0000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-04 20:35 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-05-04 10:43 -1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-05 08:52 +0000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-05 10:54 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-05 10:56 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Rod Pemberton" <bork@lllljunkqwer.cpm> - 2015-05-04 20:01 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-04 17:23 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-04 17:34 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 00:25 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-05-05 12:41 +0200
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Rod Pemberton" <bork@lllljunkqwer.cpm> - 2015-05-05 03:31 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-05 08:41 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-05 11:36 +0000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-05-07 11:26 +1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-05-06 16:46 -1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-05-07 00:06 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-05-10 12:57 +1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-09 21:36 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-05-09 18:36 -1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-09 22:09 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-05-10 13:38 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-05-10 14:23 -0500
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-10 20:51 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-05-11 01:18 +0200
Apology to Walter Banks - was [Re: FORTH - How Does It Work?] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-05-10 23:09 -0500
Re: Apology to Walter Banks - was [Re: FORTH - How Does It Work?] Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-05-11 07:24 -0400
Re: Apology to Walter Banks - was [Re: FORTH - How Does It Work?] rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 11:34 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-10 19:18 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-05-11 07:50 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? beeflo <beeflobill@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 09:37 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-11 11:32 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-12 05:21 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-12 14:08 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-12 14:52 +0000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-12 17:18 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-05-13 08:41 +0200
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-13 08:07 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-13 19:29 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-12 08:10 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-12 17:13 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-12 09:33 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-12 15:38 +0000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-12 21:51 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-12 16:05 +0000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-14 17:26 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? bettilyona@gmail.com - 2015-06-02 10:21 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-02 20:39 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? bettilyona@gmail.com - 2015-06-08 13:14 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 13:15 +0200
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-20 14:37 +0000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-06-20 08:23 -1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-20 19:24 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2015-06-21 12:30 +0200
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-21 20:58 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-22 00:13 +0200
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-05-11 12:10 +1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 11:35 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-11 16:52 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-05-11 08:12 -1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-11 12:37 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-05-11 15:59 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-11 21:34 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 16:42 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-11 21:52 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-11 14:55 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-12 16:22 +0000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-12 22:42 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-13 11:18 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-25 15:04 +0000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 20:38 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-11 14:31 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-05-12 07:06 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-11 21:30 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-11 14:52 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 20:40 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-12 03:38 +0200
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 22:10 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-11 20:25 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-12 01:13 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-12 11:03 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-12 16:08 +0200
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-12 14:04 +0000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-11 19:08 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 22:46 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-05-14 18:30 +1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-05-13 22:55 -1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-05-16 05:08 +1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-05-15 09:54 -1000
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-20 13:59 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-14 10:40 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 03:12 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-14 12:03 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-10 22:09 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-11 10:12 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-11 18:57 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-11 11:48 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-11 20:28 +0100
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-12 21:28 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 11:29 -0400
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> - 2015-05-04 19:40 -0700
Re: FORTH - How Does It Work? tthomas@duelcraft2.com - 2015-05-08 16:22 -0700
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| From | "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> |
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| Date | 2015-05-14 10:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mj1qgf$e7r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39100 |
on 14/05/2015 09:30:57, "HAA" wrote: > rickman wrote: >> On 5/10/2015 10:10 PM, HAA wrote: >> > Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: >> >> On 5/9/15 4:57 PM, HAA wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> Yet it is these same 'clf' folk whom you permit (rely on) to define Forth via >> >>> the Standard. >> >> >> >> A significant number of the voting members (according to the published >> >> Forth 2012) are rarely if ever on c.l.f., >> > >> > They must be MIA. 'cfv' results suggest what response there has been >> > has come mostly from c.l.f. >> > >> > http://www.forth200x.org/ >> > >> >> and a number of c.l.f regulars >> >> aren't on the Standards team (including myself). >> > >> > You are the notable exception. Don't believe 200x represents what >> > Forth is about? >> >> That is a scary thought! 8-O > > But hardly a surprise. She's been publicly invited on more than one > occasion on c.l.f. to join 200x but has declined. Add to that comments > such as "Adapting features from other languages "just because they > can"". None of this sounds like support for 200x. Avoiding the > question has only made the case stronger. > Case for what? 1. It's done by volunteers; nobody gets paid for this effort. 2. There are no dues. 3. No single person, group, body or company owns Forth exclusively, the ISO standard or the new standard (the word is a trademark in several countries though) 4. No claim is being made for ISO (or ANS etc) standardization, since no-one has the money or time to get it through 5. It's open to anyone (with some attendance requirements) 6. There don't appear to be any patent claims or notifications made by any of the commercial vendors or supporters of Forth200x 7. It's pretty conservative in its acceptance of change It's a collective effort and there are a body of people who want to move Forth forwards.
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| From | Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-05-14 03:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9fdc5fa6-da52-45be-8228-1fedd714b427@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #39102 |
On Thursday, 14 May 2015 10:40:35 UTC+1, Alex McDonald wrote: > on 14/05/2015 09:30:57, "HAA" wrote: > > rickman wrote: > >> On 5/10/2015 10:10 PM, HAA wrote: > >> > Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: > >> >> On 5/9/15 4:57 PM, HAA wrote: > >> >> ... > >> >>> Yet it is these same 'clf' folk whom you permit (rely on) to define Forth via > >> >>> the Standard. > >> >> > >> >> A significant number of the voting members (according to the published > >> >> Forth 2012) are rarely if ever on c.l.f., > >> > > >> > They must be MIA. 'cfv' results suggest what response there has been > >> > has come mostly from c.l.f. > >> > > >> > http://www.forth200x.org/ > >> > > >> >> and a number of c.l.f regulars > >> >> aren't on the Standards team (including myself). > >> > > >> > You are the notable exception. Don't believe 200x represents what > >> > Forth is about? > >> > >> That is a scary thought! 8-O > > > > But hardly a surprise. She's been publicly invited on more than one > > occasion on c.l.f. to join 200x but has declined. Add to that comments > > such as "Adapting features from other languages "just because they > > can"". None of this sounds like support for 200x. Avoiding the > > question has only made the case stronger. > > > > Case for what? > > 1. It's done by volunteers; nobody gets paid for this effort. > 2. There are no dues. > 3. No single person, group, body or company owns Forth exclusively, the > ISO standard or the new standard (the word is a trademark in several > countries though) 4. No claim is being made for ISO (or ANS etc) > standardization, since no-one has the money or time to get it through 5. > It's open to anyone (with some attendance requirements) 6. There don't > appear to be any patent claims or notifications made by any of the > commercial vendors or supporters of Forth200x 7. It's pretty conservative > in its acceptance of change > > It's a collective effort and there are a body of people who want to move > Forth forwards. Alex, Are you planning to attend the Forth conference this year? Mark
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| From | "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> |
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| Date | 2015-05-14 12:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mj1vcg$vd5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39103 |
on 14/05/2015 11:12:20, Mark Wills wrote: > On Thursday, 14 May 2015 10:40:35 UTC+1, Alex McDonald wrote: >> on 14/05/2015 09:30:57, "HAA" wrote: >> > rickman wrote: >> >> On 5/10/2015 10:10 PM, HAA wrote: >> >> > Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: >> >> >> On 5/9/15 4:57 PM, HAA wrote: >> >> >> ... >> >> >>> Yet it is these same 'clf' folk whom you permit (rely on) to define Forth via >> >> >>> the Standard. >> >> >> >> >> >> A significant number of the voting members (according to the published >> >> >> Forth 2012) are rarely if ever on c.l.f., >> >> > >> >> > They must be MIA. 'cfv' results suggest what response there has been >> >> > has come mostly from c.l.f. >> >> > >> >> > http://www.forth200x.org/ >> >> > >> >> >> and a number of c.l.f regulars >> >> >> aren't on the Standards team (including myself). >> >> > >> >> > You are the notable exception. Don't believe 200x represents what >> >> > Forth is about? >> >> >> >> That is a scary thought! 8-O >> > >> > But hardly a surprise. She's been publicly invited on more than one >> > occasion on c.l.f. to join 200x but has declined. Add to that comments >> > such as "Adapting features from other languages "just because they >> > can"". None of this sounds like support for 200x. Avoiding the >> > question has only made the case stronger. >> > >> >> Case for what? >> >> 1. It's done by volunteers; nobody gets paid for this effort. >> 2. There are no dues. >> 3. No single person, group, body or company owns Forth exclusively, the >> ISO standard or the new standard (the word is a trademark in several >> countries though) 4. No claim is being made for ISO (or ANS etc) >> standardization, since no-one has the money or time to get it through 5. >> It's open to anyone (with some attendance requirements) 6. There don't >> appear to be any patent claims or notifications made by any of the >> commercial vendors or supporters of Forth200x 7. It's pretty conservative >> in its acceptance of change >> >> It's a collective effort and there are a body of people who want to move >> Forth forwards. > > Alex, > > Are you planning to attend the Forth conference this year? > > Mark > It will be a bit of a busman's holiday for me as my professional life is spent speaking at and attending conferences & standard's meetings, but I'm thinking I'd like to. I was last at the 2006 meeting in Cambridge and it was very enjoyable. Even the punting on the Cam, since none of us fell in. I'm a bit greyer now but for reference I'm the one on the front left in this group photo of the event. http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2006/photos/full/img_4193.jpg
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-05-10 22:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ac1b3959-8adc-415f-8e71-cf6a5013ca89@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #38926 |
On Saturday, May 9, 2015 at 9:36:48 PM UTC-7, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: > The Standards team needs (and, fortunately, has) a number of > professional Forth programmers who are primarily engaged in "writing and > testing Forth programs". That's an important point of view. C.L.F. is all about drivel.
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| From | Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-05-11 10:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2d990665-7dc8-480e-8688-64f40c0f8a32@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #38956 |
hughag...@gmail.com wrote: > this was done to prevent people from writing cross-compilers > in competition with the corporate big-dollar cross-compilers. Except that MPE and Forth Inc are tiny compared to Microsoft and Apple. Sigh! > C.L.F. is all about drivel. Which proves the point that something without barriers, boundaries, and borders gets pretty messed up sooner or later. Thus the entire premise of a singular internet, rather than a plethora of networks comes into question. Why did they do it this way? Because unity and singularity look good to university people and university people created our I.T. infrastructure. I mean, how many thread in C.L.F. don't meander. This and C.L.F. isn't even the worst message board out there on the tubes. That leads me to think about how there ought to be something in the universe other than C and its offspring.
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| From | "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> |
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| Date | 2015-05-11 18:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <miqqfc$q31$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #38979 |
on 11/05/2015 18:12:23, Jason Damisch wrote: >> C.L.F. is all about drivel. > > Which proves the point that something without barriers, boundaries, > and borders gets pretty messed up sooner or later. Thus the entire > premise of a singular internet, rather than a plethora of networks > comes into question. Why did they do it this way? Because unity > and singularity look good to university people and university people > created our I.T. infrastructure. > > I mean, how many thread in C.L.F. don't meander. This and C.L.F. > isn't even the worst message board out there on the tubes. > > That leads me to think about how there ought to be something in the > universe other than C and its offspring. You've completely missed the mark in my not so humble opinion. Here you are agreeing with the one person here who has taken to crapping on his own doorstep and then complaining that there's shit on the soles of his shoes.
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-05-11 11:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c5fc72ba-21f3-49e4-9cf2-758bdec7a659@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #38981 |
On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 10:57:03 AM UTC-7, Alex McDonald wrote: > on 11/05/2015 18:12:23, Jason Damisch wrote: > > That leads me to think about how there ought to be something in the > > universe other than C and its offspring. > > You've completely missed the mark in my not so humble opinion. Here you > are agreeing with the one person here who has taken to crapping on his > own doorstep and then complaining that there's shit on the soles of his > shoes. Alex McDonald is a brown-noser and a liar --- as for me, I would rather have crap on the soles of my shoes, than on my nose and in my mouth. In this thread, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.forth/41r7BuIUAC0%5B151-175%5D we have an example of Alex McDonald posting non-working code that he claims I wrote, and using it to criticize me --- but I didn't write that code; he did --- when I responded by posting my own code that does work, he called it "crap." The truth is that my disambiguifiers work great for removing all of that gratuitous ambiguity in ANS-Forth --- and, as a result, my SYNONYM SYNONYM-FAST and ALIAS all work fine, despite the fact that the C.L.F. experts (Albert van der Horst and Alex McDonald) have said that SYNONYM is impossible to write in ANS-Forth. Forth Elizabeth Rather's cult members (Albert and Alex, and Anton is their king), ANS-Forth is all about telling people that code is impossible to write in ANS-Forth --- for me, I write ANS-Forth code that works around the artificial barriers in ANS-Forth, and does the supposedly impossible.
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| From | "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> |
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| Date | 2015-05-11 20:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <miqvri$hrk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #38984 |
on 11/05/2015 19:48:25, wrote: > The truth is that my disambiguifiers work great for removing all of > that gr atuitous ambiguity in ANS-Forth --- and, as a result, my > SYNONYM SYNONYM-FA ST and ALIAS all work fine, despite the fact that > the C.L.F. experts (Alber t van der Horst and Alex McDonald) have said > that SYNONYM is impossible to write in ANS-Forth. > I corrected my original statement because it wasn't true. We can write anything; it would simply take a lot of code. It takes more than artless "disambiguifiers" to fix the problem of a fully functional SYNONYM. Try your "disambiguifier" on S", use it in SYNONYM XS" S" and then type XS" ABCD" and let me know why it says I can't do that. There are sets of parsing words that will stop working correctly. They are TO S" S\" IS and more, along with any the user may write.
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-05-12 21:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f825ee25-4fba-49e6-8783-4aa9f3cfc9fa@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #38986 |
On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 12:28:53 PM UTC-7, Alex McDonald wrote: > on 11/05/2015 19:48:25, wrote: > > The truth is that my disambiguifiers work great for removing all of > > that gr atuitous ambiguity in ANS-Forth --- and, as a result, my > > SYNONYM SYNONYM-FA ST and ALIAS all work fine, despite the fact that > > the C.L.F. experts (Alber t van der Horst and Alex McDonald) have said > > that SYNONYM is impossible to write in ANS-Forth. > > > > I corrected my original statement because it wasn't true. We can write > anything; it would simply take a lot of code. > > It takes more than artless "disambiguifiers" to fix the problem of a > fully functional SYNONYM. Try your "disambiguifier" on S", use it in > SYNONYM XS" S" and then type XS" ABCD" and let me know why it says I > can't do that. There are sets of parsing words that will stop working > correctly. They are TO S" S\" IS and more, along with any the user may > write. My disambiguifiers work fine --- you are just lying, hoping that nobody tests the code. get-current synonym my-s" s" ok : hhh my-s" hello" type ; ok hhh hello ok my-s" goodbye" ok-2 type goodbye ok
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-05-11 11:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <miqhr6$l5t$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #38876 |
On 5/6/2015 10:46 PM, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: > On 5/6/15 3:26 PM, HAA wrote: >> Elizabeth D. Rather wrote: >>> On 5/4/15 6:44 AM, Jason Damisch wrote: >>>> Dear Humans, >>>> >>>> It may be that somebody may stumble upon this thread, >>>> somebody who is interested in finding out how Forth >>>> works on the inside. Maybe they are just curious >>>> about that, or perhaps they will try write their >>>> own Forth. >>>> >>>> Dr. Ting is famous in the Forth Community. >>>> >>>> http://www.offete.com/books.html >>>> >>>> Here are a few books which describe how Forth works >>>> under the hood so to speak. I have Inside F83 myself >>>> and I can tell you that if you are interested in the >>>> subject, that is it worth the price. >>> >>> Except that not all Forths work that way. In fact, increasingly fewer. I >>> don't think it does Forth any good to spread the notion that the >>> language is defined by a particular implementation. It's defined by how >>> it's used to write and test programs. >> >> I use Forth 'to write and test programs'. Should I worry that it >> still uses >> threaded code (as did polyForth) ? Implementation is much less of an >> issue today than back in the day when cpu's were slow. >> >> I don't begrudge Forthers who peek under the hood. These just may be >> the Rick Van Normans who release several 'hobby' forths before moving >> on to bigger things. > > It seems to be characteristic of c.l.f. that folks are more interested > in peeking under the hood than "writing and testing programs." Adapting > features from other languages "just because they can" is popular, too. A > lot of our customers are too busy writing and testing programs to spend > much time on c.l.f. I think it is more than just wanting to "peek under the hood". You can't write advanced programs without understanding the details of Forth often including understanding an implementation. Here is an example. I am working with a constant array defined by a defining word that does bounds checking. On error it prints a generic error message. I think to provide the name of the specific array would require knowledge of the Forth implementation, no? -- Rick
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| From | Ching-Tang Tseng <ilikeforth@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-05-04 19:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4b767ccc-4eac-43ae-9aeb-340dbaccfb2d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #38814 |
On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 4:44:12 AM UTC+12, Jason Damisch wrote: > Dear Humans, > > It may be that somebody may stumble upon this thread, > somebody who is interested in finding out how Forth > works on the inside. Maybe they are just curious > about that, or perhaps they will try write their > own Forth. > > Dr. Ting is famous in the Forth Community. > > http://www.offete.com/books.html > > Here are a few books which describe how Forth works > under the hood so to speak. I have Inside F83 myself > and I can tell you that if you are interested in the > subject, that is it worth the price. > > Jason No more comments but support the suggestion from Jason Damisch sincerely. "Study F83 from Dr. Ting", this is really the reason make me can use FORTH everyday for more than 30 years. Dr. Ting is the teacher of all Taiwanese FORTH users and now is still the FORTH guider of us. Ching
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| From | tthomas@duelcraft2.com |
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| Date | 2015-05-08 16:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6f340f58-37d9-4e6a-9207-b5efc3cc8874@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #38814 |
I created a project particularly to explore forth implementations in C. The source is relatively short and largely based off Dr. Ting's eForth and Zen document. http://chiselapp.com/user/tehologist/repository/compc/index I intend this to be more of a starting point, there is a lot of great forth's out there already.
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