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I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser

Started bythe_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com>
First post2015-01-31 22:14 -0800
Last post2015-02-07 00:00 -0800
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  I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2015-01-31 22:14 -0800
    Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser lynx <rinkasu@kaze.void.null> - 2015-02-01 08:02 +0000
      Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-02-01 15:46 +0000
    Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-01 15:33 +0000
      Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 08:23 -0800
        Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-02 17:30 +0000
          Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-02 10:47 -0800
            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-02 19:09 +0000
          Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser lynx <rinkasu@kaze.void.null> - 2015-02-03 00:05 +0000
    Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-02 08:02 -0800
      Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 08:22 -0800
      Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-02 19:36 +0000
        Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-02 12:37 -0800
          Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-02-04 15:08 +0000
            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-02-04 16:41 +0000
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Bill Fruitmaker <fruitbill@what.com> - 2015-02-04 17:02 +0000
                Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-02-04 17:14 +0000
                Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-04 10:17 -0800
                  Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-02-04 10:29 -0800
                Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-02-04 20:44 +0000
                Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-02-05 15:25 +0000
                  Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-02-05 21:10 +0000
        Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-02-02 14:03 -0800
          Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-02 22:09 +0000
            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-02-02 15:27 -0800
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-03 00:43 +0000
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-02-03 12:34 +0000
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-02-04 19:29 -0800
                Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-02-05 04:44 +0100
                Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-02-04 21:44 -0800
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-02-08 18:41 +0000
        Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-02-02 23:14 +0100
        Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-02-03 12:31 +0000
          Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-03 12:37 +0000
            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-02-03 12:55 +0000
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-03 10:49 -0800
                Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-02-03 19:31 +0000
    Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, butforthos has no chrome web browser "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-02-07 17:55 +1100
      Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, butforthos has no chrome web browser the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2015-02-06 23:51 -0800
        Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-02-08 15:35 +1100
          Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2015-02-07 20:58 -1000
            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-08 13:19 +0000
            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-02-08 20:23 +0100
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-02-08 14:12 -0800
                Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-02-09 00:23 +0100
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-02-11 11:16 +1100
                Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-02-11 02:48 +0100
    Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2015-02-07 00:00 -0800

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#36384 — Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser

FromElizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com>
Date2015-02-07 20:58 -1000
SubjectRe: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser
Message-ID<RoSdndsspKCJlErJnZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#36382
On 2/7/2015 6:35 PM, HAA wrote:
> the_gavino_himself wrote:
>> On Saturday, February 7, 2015 at 1:54:25 AM UTC-5, HAA wrote:
>>>
>>> Responses change but the song remains ever the same.
>>>
>>> 2008  I booted into forthos and was like, what now?
>>> 2010  ever be a free desktop forth os with web browser?
>>> 2011  How far is forthOS from having a gui like icewm on archlinux?
>>>             and a browser like firefox?
>>> 2012  how far is forth really from a web browser like firefox ?
>>> 2013  gui forthos for pc soon?
>>> 2015  I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,
>>>             butforthos has no chrome web browser
>>
>> still no firefox on forth, so yes the quest is un fulfillled!
>
> In the seven years you've been asking has anyone offered to write one?

It's a big job. Has anyone offered to pay for one?

Cheers,
Elizabeth

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#36387 — Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser

Fromempty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com>
Date2015-02-08 13:19 +0000
SubjectRe: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser
Message-ID<slrnmdeoim.6hn.empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@Ferrycy.localdomain>
In reply to#36384
In comp.lang.forth, Elizabeth D Rather wrote:

>>>> Responses change but the song remains ever the same.
>>>>
>>>> 2008  I booted into forthos and was like, what now?
>>>> 2010  ever be a free desktop forth os with web browser?
>>>> 2011  How far is forthOS from having a gui like icewm on archlinux?
>>>>             and a browser like firefox?
>>>> 2012  how far is forth really from a web browser like firefox ?
>>>> 2013  gui forthos for pc soon?
>>>> 2015  I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,
>>>>             butforthos has no chrome web browser
>>>
>>> still no firefox on forth, so yes the quest is un fulfillled!
>>
>> In the seven years you've been asking has anyone offered to write one?
>
> It's a big job. Has anyone offered to pay for one?

I believe, if Gavino first two years spent on learning Forth, and next five
years was working on creating his "FireForth" browser - we could expect
today something at least usable. Maybe under ForthOS.

Well, Gavino prefers chatting about Forth...
-- 
"Yes, this is the bad end you've come to, and two and two is - as it always
was..." - began Trurl, but just then the machine made a faint, barely audible
croaking noise and said, for the last time: "SEVEN".

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#36393 — Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser

FromBernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Date2015-02-08 20:23 +0100
SubjectRe: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser
Message-ID<mb8d1g$u2s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#36384
Elizabeth D Rather wrote:

> On 2/7/2015 6:35 PM, HAA wrote:
>> the_gavino_himself wrote:
>>> still no firefox on forth, so yes the quest is un fulfillled!
>>
>> In the seven years you've been asking has anyone offered to write one?
> 
> It's a big job. Has anyone offered to pay for one?

Parts of Firefox (TraceMonkey) are already written in Forth. Instead of 
telling Gavino that it is a hard job, and needs someone to pay for it, we 
should rather show him how much of Firefox is already done in Forth.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/
net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*

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#36396 — Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser

Fromvisualforth@rocketmail.com
Date2015-02-08 14:12 -0800
SubjectRe: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser
Message-ID<0b236827-d493-4321-b810-32e993d19c07@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#36393
On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 2:23:01 PM UTC-5, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> Elizabeth D Rather wrote:
> 
> > On 2/7/2015 6:35 PM, HAA wrote:
> >> the_gavino_himself wrote:
> >>> still no firefox on forth, so yes the quest is un fulfillled!
> >>
> >> In the seven years you've been asking has anyone offered to write one?
> > 
> > It's a big job. Has anyone offered to pay for one?
> 
> Parts of Firefox (TraceMonkey) are already written in Forth. Instead of 
> telling Gavino that it is a hard job, and needs someone to pay for it, we 
> should rather show him how much of Firefox is already done in Forth.
> 
> -- 
> Bernd Paysan
> "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> http://bernd-paysan.de/
> net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*

Great!
That's a huge step ahead!
What's missing?

Dirk.

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#36399 — Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser

FromBernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Date2015-02-09 00:23 +0100
SubjectRe: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser
Message-ID<mb8r4a$s57$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#36396
visualforth@rocketmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 2:23:01 PM UTC-5, Bernd Paysan wrote:
>> Elizabeth D Rather wrote:
>> 
>> > On 2/7/2015 6:35 PM, HAA wrote:
>> >> the_gavino_himself wrote:
>> >>> still no firefox on forth, so yes the quest is un fulfillled!
>> >>
>> >> In the seven years you've been asking has anyone offered to write one?
>> > 
>> > It's a big job. Has anyone offered to pay for one?
>> 
>> Parts of Firefox (TraceMonkey) are already written in Forth. Instead of
>> telling Gavino that it is a hard job, and needs someone to pay for it, we
>> should rather show him how much of Firefox is already done in Forth.
>
> Great!
> That's a huge step ahead!
> What's missing?

Well, Firefox is a hughe amount of bloat.  TraceMonkey is a JavaScript just 
in time compiler.  The entire JavaScript engine consists of more than the 
JIT, and a browser needs far more stuff:  HTML parser, CSS parser, DOM tree 
manipulation, HTML rendering, font rendering, JavaScript parsing, SSL code, 
a user interface, plugins like Java and Flash (Flash's ActionScript engine 
is also partly written in Forth)... it is just a huge amount of stuff that 
grew over time.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/
net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*

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#36447 — Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser

From"HAA" <someone@microsoft.com>
Date2015-02-11 11:16 +1100
SubjectRe: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser
Message-ID<mbe6uc$588$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#36393
Bernd Paysan wrote:
> Elizabeth D Rather wrote:
>
> > On 2/7/2015 6:35 PM, HAA wrote:
> >> the_gavino_himself wrote:
> >>> still no firefox on forth, so yes the quest is un fulfillled!
> >>
> >> In the seven years you've been asking has anyone offered to write one?
> >
> > It's a big job. Has anyone offered to pay for one?
>
> Parts of Firefox (TraceMonkey) are already written in Forth. Instead of
> telling Gavino that it is a hard job, and needs someone to pay for it, we
> should rather show him how much of Firefox is already done in Forth.

You are forever the optimist.  It would take a miracle to get Gavino to
progress beyond tweeting.


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#36452 — Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser

FromBernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Date2015-02-11 02:48 +0100
SubjectRe: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser
Message-ID<mbecd6$8gr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#36447
HAA wrote:

> Bernd Paysan wrote:
>> Elizabeth D Rather wrote:
>>
>> > On 2/7/2015 6:35 PM, HAA wrote:
>> >> the_gavino_himself wrote:
>> >>> still no firefox on forth, so yes the quest is un fulfillled!
>> >>
>> >> In the seven years you've been asking has anyone offered to write one?
>> >
>> > It's a big job. Has anyone offered to pay for one?
>>
>> Parts of Firefox (TraceMonkey) are already written in Forth. Instead of
>> telling Gavino that it is a hard job, and needs someone to pay for it, we
>> should rather show him how much of Firefox is already done in Forth.
> 
> You are forever the optimist.  It would take a miracle to get Gavino to
> progress beyond tweeting.

He usually responds to such stuff with something like "wow!" and then 
forgets it and asks the same question again.  But for those people who don't 
ignore him, they should at least be prepared with an answer ;-).

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/
net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*

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#36349

Fromthe_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com>
Date2015-02-07 00:00 -0800
Message-ID<bd0b3bea-0c5a-4ce4-87fc-17ba33e77e28@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#36191
On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 1:14:51 AM UTC-5, the_gavino_himself wrote:
> if forth could just run a browser
> let me save files and possibly get usb3 running to save file to external drive
> run network
> that would be awesome enuf to switch
> 
> esp if forth was 1000 times lighter weight
> 
> my xterm shows 72788k   is that insane?  gates once said 640k ram is enough
> 
> chuck moore said huge ram of modern computers makes os like linux un needed


http://menuetos.net/

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