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| Started by | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2014-10-26 12:02 -0400 |
| Last post | 2014-10-28 14:06 -0500 |
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Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 12:02 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-10-26 16:11 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 12:20 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 12:44 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-10-26 17:09 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 14:45 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2014-10-26 18:57 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 15:14 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-26 19:47 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 16:10 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-27 08:43 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-27 17:31 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-28 14:18 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 17:15 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-26 13:24 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 16:48 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 22:12 +0100
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 17:20 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-26 14:39 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 17:46 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-26 15:11 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 18:25 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-26 15:58 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-27 09:20 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi josv@planet.nl - 2014-10-29 07:02 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-10-30 11:20 +0100
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-27 08:56 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-10-27 10:14 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-27 08:48 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-27 17:35 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-28 14:24 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2014-10-28 15:52 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 12:49 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Ray <ray@invalid.com> - 2014-10-28 17:22 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 17:02 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-10-27 10:07 +0100
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-27 09:22 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-10-27 11:30 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-27 17:37 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-10-28 12:41 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 12:51 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-10-28 18:44 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-10-27 11:49 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-27 17:51 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-27 20:31 -1000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 03:01 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-27 21:14 -1000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 03:45 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-27 22:14 -1000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 14:09 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2014-10-28 21:50 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi "Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@ivan.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-10-29 00:01 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 20:50 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi "Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@ivan.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-10-29 01:20 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-10-29 00:58 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-28 18:04 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-29 01:40 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-10-29 12:41 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2014-11-16 15:34 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-11-16 12:01 -0500
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-11-16 17:22 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2014-11-16 17:06 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-11-16 18:27 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-11-16 19:19 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-11-16 20:11 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-11-17 11:56 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-11-17 13:42 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-11-17 10:14 -0800
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-11-16 17:25 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2014-11-16 17:40 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-11-16 19:12 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2014-11-16 19:50 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-11-16 21:22 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-11-16 17:38 -0500
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-11-17 00:12 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2014-11-16 19:53 -0600
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-11-17 01:00 +0100
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2014-11-17 12:03 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2014-11-18 20:03 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2014-11-16 18:20 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-29 11:53 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-10-27 06:52 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-26 12:02 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 15:18 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-10-26 20:24 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 17:09 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-10-26 22:05 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 20:27 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-26 17:45 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 21:09 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-26 18:22 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 23:20 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-26 20:53 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2014-10-27 10:23 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-27 13:36 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2014-10-27 22:23 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-27 09:43 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-10-27 10:26 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-10-27 13:15 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-10-27 14:12 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-10-27 15:34 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-27 18:31 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-27 15:50 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-27 19:26 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-27 16:37 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-27 20:17 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-27 17:24 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 03:10 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-10-28 08:11 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-10-28 09:13 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-10-28 08:11 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 04:14 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-10-28 08:15 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2014-10-28 10:22 +0100
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 15:53 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 17:10 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-27 18:23 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2014-11-15 23:09 +0100
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-11-16 00:35 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-11-16 00:06 -0500
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-26 19:36 +0000
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 16:24 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2014-10-27 23:48 +0200
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi josv@planet.nl - 2014-10-28 05:27 -0700
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 16:02 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-10-28 22:57 +0100
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 19:54 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-28 20:01 -0400
Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2014-10-27 04:10 +0100
QUESTIONS and ANSWERS pass in the dark ;< - was [ Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi ] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2014-10-28 14:06 -0500
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| From | albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) |
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| Date | 2014-10-26 19:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <544d4d52$0$15849$e4fe514c@dreader35.news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #34162 |
In article <m2j8ed$4pb$1@dont-email.me>, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >On 10/26/2014 12:20 PM, rickman wrote: >> On 10/26/2014 12:11 PM, Gordon Henderson wrote: >>> In article <m2j5vj$rem$1@dont-email.me>, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> I have an rPi working on my desk and thought I would install gForth on >>>> it. I found suggestions that this command should work... >>>> >>>> sudo apt-get install gforth >>>> >>>> But it didn't... :( Here are the error messages. Any suggestions? As >>>> you can likely tell I am a complete noob with Linux. >>>> >>>> >>>> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ sudo apt-get install gforth >>>> Reading package lists... Done >>>> Building dependency tree >>>> Reading state information... Done >>>> The following extra packages will be installed: >>>> gforth-common gforth-lib libffcall1 >>>> The following NEW packages will be installed: >>>> gforth gforth-common gforth-lib libffcall1 >>>> 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. >>>> Need to get 979 kB of archives. >>>> After this operation, 2,703 kB of additional disk space will be used. >>>> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y >>>> Err http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/main gforth-lib >>>> armhf 0.7.0+ds1-7 >>>> 404 Not Found >>> >>> Two possibilities here >>> >>> One is that the archive is corrupt - unlikely... >>> >>> The other is more probably - some of these packages have been updated, or >>> their dependancies have and have changed name/paths. >>> >>> Try this: >>> >>> sudo apt-get update >>> sudo apt-get install gforth >>> >>> You might want to do a full update anyway: >>> >>> sudo apt-get upgrade >>> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade >>> >>> The latter isn't normally needed, but the foundation have added some >>> additional stuff into Raspbian to support the new web browser (IIRC) >> >> The error messages said to try sudo apt-get upgrade so I did and it >> didn't help. What exactly is that supposed to do? Does it update data >> on my machine that points to the files? >> >> I'll try your suggestions. :) > >Yes, that worked. Seems I had trouble with the SUDO thing. Last night >I first used the apt-get command without SUDO and then had a series of >errors that messed up when I tried to add SUDO. Like I said, a total >noob. But I have learned a few things from this. > >Now I need to learn how to use gforth to open a serial port and open a >window from and send text to it to be displayed. Actually sudo is superfluous. The raspberry in an embedded setting is a single user system. Making that single user a sudoer doesn't make sense. I would suggest to remove sudo altogether. Then when you have to do a system action, just do it as superuser, aka root. Make that terminal a red background and be careful. A lot of caveats disappear. A security tool requiring to absorb 10 pages of information doesn't make a system safer for novices. The caveats for being a super user are super simple. You can do everything, so watch out! > >Thanks :) Groetjes Albert > >-- > >Rick -- Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters. albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-10-26 16:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <m2jla8$m4u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #34174 |
On 10/26/2014 3:36 PM, Albert van der Horst wrote: > In article <m2j8ed$4pb$1@dont-email.me>, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 10/26/2014 12:20 PM, rickman wrote: >>> On 10/26/2014 12:11 PM, Gordon Henderson wrote: >>>> In article <m2j5vj$rem$1@dont-email.me>, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I have an rPi working on my desk and thought I would install gForth on >>>>> it. I found suggestions that this command should work... >>>>> >>>>> sudo apt-get install gforth >>>>> >>>>> But it didn't... :( Here are the error messages. Any suggestions? As >>>>> you can likely tell I am a complete noob with Linux. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ sudo apt-get install gforth >>>>> Reading package lists... Done >>>>> Building dependency tree >>>>> Reading state information... Done >>>>> The following extra packages will be installed: >>>>> gforth-common gforth-lib libffcall1 >>>>> The following NEW packages will be installed: >>>>> gforth gforth-common gforth-lib libffcall1 >>>>> 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. >>>>> Need to get 979 kB of archives. >>>>> After this operation, 2,703 kB of additional disk space will be used. >>>>> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y >>>>> Err http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/main gforth-lib >>>>> armhf 0.7.0+ds1-7 >>>>> 404 Not Found >>>> >>>> Two possibilities here >>>> >>>> One is that the archive is corrupt - unlikely... >>>> >>>> The other is more probably - some of these packages have been updated, or >>>> their dependancies have and have changed name/paths. >>>> >>>> Try this: >>>> >>>> sudo apt-get update >>>> sudo apt-get install gforth >>>> >>>> You might want to do a full update anyway: >>>> >>>> sudo apt-get upgrade >>>> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade >>>> >>>> The latter isn't normally needed, but the foundation have added some >>>> additional stuff into Raspbian to support the new web browser (IIRC) >>> >>> The error messages said to try sudo apt-get upgrade so I did and it >>> didn't help. What exactly is that supposed to do? Does it update data >>> on my machine that points to the files? >>> >>> I'll try your suggestions. :) >> >> Yes, that worked. Seems I had trouble with the SUDO thing. Last night >> I first used the apt-get command without SUDO and then had a series of >> errors that messed up when I tried to add SUDO. Like I said, a total >> noob. But I have learned a few things from this. >> >> Now I need to learn how to use gforth to open a serial port and open a >> window from and send text to it to be displayed. > > Actually sudo is superfluous. The raspberry in an embedded setting is > a single user system. Making that single user a sudoer doesn't make > sense. I would suggest to remove sudo altogether. > > Then when you have to do a system action, just do it as superuser, > aka root. Make that terminal a red background and be careful. > A lot of caveats disappear. > > A security tool requiring to absorb 10 pages of information doesn't > make a system safer for novices. The caveats for being a super user > are super simple. You can do everything, so watch out! I don't know about 10 pages of info. Using SUDO is easier than learning how to switch between user and superuser. One of the SUDO references said it was used on systems where root is a locked account. Sudo lets you execute one command as superuser to save the trouble of changing your login or when it is impossible such as when root is a locked account. I may not have the words exactly right, but I think using Sudo is not one of my real concerns right now. Thanks anyway. -- Rick
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| From | Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-10-27 23:48 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m2mej2$pgk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #34162 |
On 26.10.2014 18:44, rickman wrote: > > Now I need to learn how to use gforth to open a serial port and open a > window from and send text to it to be displayed. There is tool for shoveling data between socket, PTY and serial port. Socat can do quite interesting things. It can listen port, or connect to port or forward data to serial to tcp and many more things. Web page for Socat is http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/ And it should be in repos also. Best regards, Hannu Vuolasaho
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| From | josv@planet.nl |
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| Date | 2014-10-28 05:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d3ce8aa4-f235-4438-acba-a9f290d56423@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #34162 |
On 26 october 2014 17:45:09 UTC+1 rickman wrote: > Yes, that worked. Worked here too. Quite fun to install and run gForth on a RPI by using a terminal emulator connected through WiFi. On YouTube I found a movie that explains what you need (hardware and software) to get a serial connection (Not in use here) from an USB-port. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9gLXfOA87zI Jos
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-10-28 16:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <m2ospe$l3b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #34247 |
On 10/28/2014 8:27 AM, josv@planet.nl wrote: > On 26 october 2014 17:45:09 UTC+1 rickman wrote: > >> Yes, that worked. > Worked here too. > Quite fun to install and run gForth on a RPI by using a terminal emulator connected through WiFi. > > On YouTube I found a movie that explains what you need (hardware and software) to get a serial connection (Not in use here) from an USB-port. See: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9gLXfOA87zI Cool. Nice video, very well made. One problem I noticed this morning... I have a number of keyboards, but they are all old and most have PS2 connectors. I have some USB adapters that are just wire through connections which don't seem to work with the rPi. The one keyboard with a USB connector seems to work oddly. A few of the keys get remapped to different characters, most importantly the vertical bar (pipe character) displays as a #. Is this something on the rPi or is this keyboard somehow messed up? It is a Dell keyboard from a computer I salvaged from the trash. It worked ok until one day it wouldn't boot. I suspect that is why it went in the trash, it boots intermittently, rather than the keyboard being bad, but who knows? I guess I need to get a known good USB keyboard somewhere and try it. -- Rick
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| From | Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> |
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| Date | 2014-10-28 22:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <18dmxejqutn6.1b8qt6emho7si.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #34260 |
Op Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:02:32 -0400 schreef rickman: > On 10/28/2014 8:27 AM, josv@planet.nl wrote: >> On 26 october 2014 17:45:09 UTC+1 rickman wrote: >> >>> Yes, that worked. >> Worked here too. >> Quite fun to install and run gForth on a RPI by using a terminal emulator connected through WiFi. >> >> On YouTube I found a movie that explains what you need (hardware and software) to get a serial connection (Not in use here) from an USB-port. See: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9gLXfOA87zI > > Cool. Nice video, very well made. > > One problem I noticed this morning... I have a number of keyboards, but > they are all old and most have PS2 connectors. I have some USB adapters > that are just wire through connections which don't seem to work with the > rPi. The one keyboard with a USB connector seems to work oddly. A few > of the keys get remapped to different characters, most importantly the > vertical bar (pipe character) displays as a #. > > Is this something on the rPi or is this keyboard somehow messed up? It > is a Dell keyboard from a computer I salvaged from the trash. It worked > ok until one day it wouldn't boot. I suspect that is why it went in the > trash, it boots intermittently, rather than the keyboard being bad, but > who knows? I guess I need to get a known good USB keyboard somewhere > and try it. Have you tried 'sudo raspi-config' ? - 4 internationalisation options, - 13 change keyboard layout, - generic 105-key (Intl) PC, - English (US) or some such, because RPi uses by default an UK keyboard.. Here in the Netherlands we use US keyboards. The last time I used an UK keyboard was on my Amstrad-Schneider in 1986. Q: As I think that U a vowel I use 'an UK' or must it be 'a UK'. -- Coos CHForth, 16 bit DOS applications http://home.hccnet.nl/j.j.haak/forth.html
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-10-28 19:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <m2pacv$8nu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #34265 |
On 10/28/2014 5:57 PM, Coos Haak wrote: > Op Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:02:32 -0400 schreef rickman: > >> On 10/28/2014 8:27 AM, josv@planet.nl wrote: >>> On 26 october 2014 17:45:09 UTC+1 rickman wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, that worked. >>> Worked here too. >>> Quite fun to install and run gForth on a RPI by using a terminal emulator connected through WiFi. >>> >>> On YouTube I found a movie that explains what you need (hardware and software) to get a serial connection (Not in use here) from an USB-port. See: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9gLXfOA87zI >> >> Cool. Nice video, very well made. >> >> One problem I noticed this morning... I have a number of keyboards, but >> they are all old and most have PS2 connectors. I have some USB adapters >> that are just wire through connections which don't seem to work with the >> rPi. The one keyboard with a USB connector seems to work oddly. A few >> of the keys get remapped to different characters, most importantly the >> vertical bar (pipe character) displays as a #. >> >> Is this something on the rPi or is this keyboard somehow messed up? It >> is a Dell keyboard from a computer I salvaged from the trash. It worked >> ok until one day it wouldn't boot. I suspect that is why it went in the >> trash, it boots intermittently, rather than the keyboard being bad, but >> who knows? I guess I need to get a known good USB keyboard somewhere >> and try it. > > Have you tried 'sudo raspi-config' ? > - 4 internationalisation options, > - 13 change keyboard layout, > - generic 105-key (Intl) PC, > - English (US) > or some such, because RPi uses by default an UK keyboard.. > Here in the Netherlands we use US keyboards. > The last time I used an UK keyboard was on my Amstrad-Schneider in 1986. > > Q: As I think that U a vowel I use 'an UK' or must it be 'a UK'. I don't know the "rule", but the purpose of using "an" is to not have two vowel sounds adjacent which are hard to say. In writing I'm not sure I give a crap, plus you need to consider if UK is pronounced YouKay or United Kindom. Finally I don't see where "Ay YouKay" (like AUK) is hard to say so it is all macht nichts to me. -- Rick
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-10-28 20:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <m2paot$8nu$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #34266 |
On 10/28/2014 7:54 PM, rickman wrote: > you need to consider if UK is pronounced YouKay > or United Kindom. Obviously UK and United Kingdom have the same starting vowel sound, I was referring to the general case where the words pronounced have a different vowel sound from the initials. -- Rick
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| From | "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-10-27 04:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <544db79a$0$2930$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #34160 |
On 26/10/2014 17:11, Gordon Henderson wrote: > sudo apt-get upgrade > sudo apt-get dist-upgrade > > The latter isn't normally needed, but the foundation have added some > additional stuff into Raspbian to support the new web browser (IIRC) dist-upgrade doesn't mean something like "os system distribution upgrade." You don't get more, or different, packages. According to the man page for apt-get, it's a more intelligent version of upgrade: > dist-upgrade > dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade, > also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions > of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and > it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the > expense of less important ones if necessary. The dist-upgrade > command may therefore remove some packages. Maybe the name means distinction in the sense of (mathematical set) difference, although if so, diff-upgrade would have been clearer.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2014-10-28 14:06 -0500 |
| Subject | QUESTIONS and ANSWERS pass in the dark ;< - was [ Re: Installing gForth on the Raspberry Pi ] |
| Message-ID | <Q7udnT2m_PS7dNLJnZ2dnUU7-K2dnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #34159 |
[ *SNIP* ~1 month ] On 10/26/2014 rickman wrote: > ... Please remember I am not conversant with Linux. ... On 10/26/2014 rickman (in a different post) also wrote: > ... I have a program ... It was written in Forth using OS specific calls (Windows). > ... Now I wish to port this program to the rPi. ... I also gather that Rick has not used gforth before. Rick, as a NONexpert in FORTH nor *nix may I suggest: _The Debian Administrator's Handbook_ by Raphaël Hertzog and Roland Mas ( http://debian-handbook.info/ ) "Debian Reference" by Osamu Aoki ( https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ ) Assuming that current Linux and Windows versions of gforth are functionally equivalent that you first port your Forth program to the Windows version of gforth. That way you deal with only one new thing at a time. P.S. I predate the use of transistors in computers ;/
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