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Go Forth And Prosper

Started byJason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com>
First post2014-05-20 09:23 -0700
Last post2014-05-25 13:27 -0700
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  Go Forth And Prosper Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-20 09:23 -0700
    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 10:32 -0700
      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 09:57 +0400
        Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 03:03 -0400
        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 00:40 -0700
          Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 01:01 -0700
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 20:35 +0400
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-24 19:35 +0000
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 19:17 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-24 16:57 -1000
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-25 00:39 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 05:00 -0400
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-25 09:02 -0700
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 12:32 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper babruehl@gmail.com - 2014-05-25 12:36 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 15:43 -0400
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-25 13:02 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 13:14 -0700
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 13:05 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 17:04 -0400
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 15:44 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 12:01 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 17:33 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 18:08 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 23:44 -0400
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 23:29 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 11:12 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 11:18 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-27 15:50 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-28 00:12 +0100
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 19:19 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 11:41 +0400
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 17:38 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 08:13 +0400
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 17:57 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 08:30 +0400
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-25 21:44 -0700
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 09:01 +0400
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-25 22:09 -0700
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 10:26 +0400
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-25 23:34 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 12:32 +0400
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 09:37 -0700
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 21:32 +0400
                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 10:49 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 11:40 -0700
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 12:13 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 23:41 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 11:03 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 11:24 +0400
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 00:35 -0700
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 15:56 +0400
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-27 10:34 -0700
                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 16:53 -0400
                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-27 20:43 -0700
                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 01:57 -0400
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-27 10:28 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 23:37 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 17:29 +0400
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 10:56 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 11:31 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 12:12 -0700
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 12:50 -0700
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 15:54 -0400
                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 13:10 -0700
                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 13:32 -0700
                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 14:01 -0700
                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 20:50 -0400
                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 19:13 -0700
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 23:50 -0400
                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 23:51 -0700
                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 00:03 -0700
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 03:19 -0400
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-27 00:33 -0700
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 00:43 -0700
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-27 01:18 -0700
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 05:18 -0700
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-27 00:42 -0700
                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 13:53 -1000
                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 20:13 -0700
                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 17:34 -1000
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 21:49 -0700
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 20:33 -1000
                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 13:48 -1000
                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 20:24 -0700
                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 17:44 -1000
                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 21:01 -0700
                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-27 00:08 -0700
                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 12:39 -0700
                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-27 13:36 -1000
                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 19:53 -0700
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-27 18:11 -1000
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 08:57 -0700
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-29 09:42 +0000
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 15:03 -0700
                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-30 00:23 +0000
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 02:04 -0400
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper test <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-28 04:54 -0400
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-28 10:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 06:51 -0700
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 13:35 -0400
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 10:43 -0700
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 09:19 -0700
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 13:41 -0400
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 12:20 -0700
                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-28 13:28 -0700
                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 17:54 -0700
                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-28 19:13 -0700
                                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 23:17 -0400
                                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 11:27 -0700
                                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 11:51 -0700
                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 13:01 -0700
                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 13:26 -0700
                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 13:48 -0700
                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 14:02 -0700
                                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 14:45 -0700
                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 14:37 -0700
                                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 15:05 -0700
                                                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 15:31 -0700
                                                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 15:50 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 16:11 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 16:43 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 17:00 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 17:58 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-30 01:31 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-31 14:15 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 11:29 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 22:47 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 20:24 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 23:35 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-29 20:55 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 20:41 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 00:22 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 21:41 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 01:28 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 08:33 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 13:05 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-30 11:47 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 13:07 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 14:14 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 21:04 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 12:34 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 23:41 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 17:27 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 15:05 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 18:15 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 17:45 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 21:53 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 19:13 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 19:45 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 21:27 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 19:39 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-30 11:37 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 20:16 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 21:32 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-31 02:49 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-31 19:15 +0200
                                                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 11:23 +0200
                                                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 11:18 +0200
                                                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-30 08:41 -0700
                                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-30 09:53 +0200
                                                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-29 09:50 +0400
                                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-29 11:17 -0700
                                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 09:55 +0400
                                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 23:26 -0700
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-28 04:56 -0400
                                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 09:39 -0700
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 09:46 -0700
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 10:18 -0700
                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 10:28 -0700
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-28 12:57 -0500
                                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 10:39 -0700
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 10:47 -0700
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 20:45 +0200
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper David J <skamolex@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 11:49 -0700
                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 22:08 -0400
                                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-29 09:46 +0000
                                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-31 13:00 -0700
                                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-31 23:07 +0000
                                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 06:37 -0700
                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 20:39 -0400
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 16:03 -0700
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 09:43 +0200
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 00:45 -0700
                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 12:40 +0200
                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 11:46 -0700
                                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 12:47 +0200
                                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-27 10:54 -0700
                                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 12:49 +0200
                                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-28 12:52 -0700
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 12:24 -0700
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 12:28 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 03:21 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 23:33 -0700
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 19:08 +0400
          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 20:15 +0400
    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 11:05 -0700
      Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 16:02 -0400
        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 13:30 -0700
          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 16:50 -0400
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 14:12 -0700
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 18:54 -0400
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 17:15 -0700
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 15:00 -0700
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 15:13 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 17:19 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 17:27 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 18:26 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-20 18:34 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 21:53 -0400
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 19:58 -0700
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 20:03 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-21 01:27 -0400
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-21 10:31 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2014-05-21 09:07 -0700
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-21 11:46 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-21 15:34 -0400
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-21 11:48 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 21:47 -0400
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 18:48 -0400
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 13:00 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-22 16:47 -0400
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-21 00:18 +0200
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 18:55 -0400
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-21 02:22 +0200
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 22:06 -0400
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-21 14:26 +0200
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-21 17:17 -0400
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-21 17:48 -0400
        Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-20 14:41 -0700
      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 12:23 -0700
    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-05-20 12:12 -0700
      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 11:36 -0700
        Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-22 14:53 -0400
          Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 12:12 -0700
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-22 15:23 -0400
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 12:29 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-22 16:51 -0400
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-22 13:58 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 01:24 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 01:32 -0700
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 12:39 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-22 13:00 -0700
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-24 09:18 -1000
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 18:46 -0400
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 19:12 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 19:36 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 19:42 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-27 23:13 +0100
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 19:19 -0400
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-28 20:52 +0100
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 22:12 -0400
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-29 12:41 +0000
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 01:47 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-28 05:20 -0400
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-28 21:03 +0100
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 22:13 -0400
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 06:41 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 16:44 +0200
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 07:49 -0700
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 17:01 +0200
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-28 15:01 +0000
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-28 08:40 -0700
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 20:45 +0200
                                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 14:53 -0400
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-28 21:10 +0100
                                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2014-05-28 23:28 +0300
                              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-28 17:54 -0400
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-28 21:01 +0100
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2014-05-28 08:00 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-24 21:50 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 14:52 +0300
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 17:45 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 23:47 -0400
                            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 19:41 +0300
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 02:35 -0700
                Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-24 21:24 -0400
                  Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-24 17:02 -1000
                    Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-24 21:21 -0700
                    Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-24 22:16 -0700
                      Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-24 21:02 -1000
                        Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-25 11:39 +0100
                        Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-25 15:24 +0200
                        Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-25 09:07 -0700
                    Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-25 14:15 +0000
                    Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] all2001@spambog.com (Wolfgang Allinger) - 2014-05-25 12:48 -0400
                    Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-05-27 23:27 +0100
                  Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] Rob Sciuk <rob@controlq.com> - 2014-05-26 13:08 -0400
                    Re: Ms Rather attacked, was [Re: Go Forth And Prosper] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 07:41 -1000
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 19:31 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-25 04:05 -0400
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 12:42 +0400
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 07:50 -0700
            Re: Go Forth And Prosper Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2014-05-22 22:09 -0700
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-23 05:08 -0400
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-23 09:46 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-23 13:32 -0400
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-23 14:26 -0700
              Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 01:20 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-24 08:31 -0700
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-24 08:40 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-24 09:50 -0700
                      Re: Go Forth And Prosper Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-24 21:35 -0700
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-25 11:25 +0000
                        Re: Go Forth And Prosper Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 16:20 -0700
                          Re: Go Forth And Prosper Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-27 06:04 -0500
                  Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 19:01 -0700
                    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 19:24 -0700
                Re: Go Forth And Prosper visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-05-24 10:12 -0700
    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 01:29 -0700
      Re: Go Forth And Prosper "M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 01:37 -0700
        Re: Go Forth And Prosper rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 12:08 -0400
    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 13:21 -0700
    Re: Go Forth And Prosper "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 13:27 -0700

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#30743

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-05-25 23:34 -0700
Message-ID<7xbnuldp5p.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#30742
Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> writes:
> I'm in almost the same situation saving I have no boards yet. :) Well,
> for me the main problem with the boards and Forth was that I could not
> think of any practical application for then. Just to blink LEDs is
> definitely not enough reason.

Yeah, I'm in the same situation.  I do have some application ideas,
though they wouldn't use the board directly.  The board would just be
for initial development and testing.

> But this time it seems that I've found an idea for a project: an
> automatic watering system for plants. If only I will be able to build a
> device itself – being an application programmer for a long time I almost
> forgot how to hold the soldering iron properly. :)

I think you could do that with something like a Beaglebone or Raspberry
Pi, which are full featured Linux systems, quite powerful compared to
PC's and internet servers of not that many years ago.  You'd program it
like a server, maybe with a web interface so you could control it
remotely, etc.  They use a lot more power (several watts) than
Launchpad-style boards and they aren't as realtime-friendly but for
something like plant watering, that shouldn't be an issue.

Hey Simon, are you going to have a real time clock on your board?
That's something missing from almost all these small embedded boards.

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#30745

FromAlexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-26 12:32 +0400
Message-ID<m2lhtpdjnu.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#30743
Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> writes:

>> But this time it seems that I've found an idea for a project: an
>> automatic watering system for plants. If only I will be able to build a
>> device itself – being an application programmer for a long time I almost
>> forgot how to hold the soldering iron properly. :)
>
> I think you could do that with something like a Beaglebone or Raspberry
> Pi, which are full featured Linux systems, quite powerful compared to
> PC's and internet servers of not that many years ago.  You'd program it
> like a server, maybe with a web interface so you could control it
> remotely, etc.  They use a lot more power (several watts) than
> Launchpad-style boards and they aren't as realtime-friendly but for
> something like plant watering, that shouldn't be an issue.

Yes, that is a nice idea to make this device controllable over the
net. But if to forget about net access, to use the Linux for this task
seems to much for me. 

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#30750

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-05-26 09:37 -0700
Message-ID<7xppj0qyx4.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#30745
Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> writes:
> Yes, that is a nice idea to make this device controllable over the
> net. But if to forget about net access, to use the Linux for this task
> seems to much for me. 

I suppose it depends on what you're used to, but IMHO the Linux approach
is potentially a lot less work, since you have so many more OS services
and machine resources available.  The web control part is quite easy,
for example.  On the downside, the board is more expensive.

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#30754

FromAlexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-26 21:32 +0400
Message-ID<m2d2f0igy4.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#30750
Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> writes:

> Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> writes:
>> Yes, that is a nice idea to make this device controllable over the
>> net. But if to forget about net access, to use the Linux for this task
>> seems to much for me. 
>
> I suppose it depends on what you're used to, but IMHO the Linux approach
> is potentially a lot less work, since you have so many more OS services
> and machine resources available.  The web control part is quite easy,
> for example.  On the downside, the board is more expensive.

Well, the idea is to make something practical with MC-board. Not just to
make a plant-watering system with a less work. Using PC and writing web
interface sounds rather boring to me.

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#30759

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-05-26 10:49 -0700
Message-ID<7xioos77mg.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#30754
Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> writes:
> Well, the idea is to make something practical with MC-board. Not just to
> make a plant-watering system with a less work. Using PC and writing web
> interface sounds rather boring to me.

Sure, that's reasonable.  I'm just more convinced by applications where
using a microcontroller is necessary (or at least has significant
benefits) rather than only possible.  An example might be battery
powered applications where a big board would use too much power.

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#30765

From"Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-26 11:40 -0700
Message-ID<22d1aebe-011a-4944-a99b-55253dc21148@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30743
> 
> Hey Simon, are you going to have a real time clock on your board?
> That's something missing from almost all these small embedded boards.

Clyde here (FISH author). FISH exposes the built in SYSTICK timer with a generalized word:

DELAY ( n value -- ) where value is the reload value and n is the number of reloads before returning. This is not a RTC functionality

The plan is to make DELAY a SW routine and use the SYSTICK with a interrupt handler that will probably always increment a VAR and either set a semaphore or execute a handler. Suggestions are welcome. I currently assume the user can reset the tick from whatever I default it to.

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#30769

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-05-26 12:13 -0700
Message-ID<7xa9a4l5em.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#30765
"Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> writes:
>> Hey Simon, are you going to have a real time clock on your board?
> Clyde here (FISH author). FISH exposes the built in SYSTICK timer with
> a generalized word: ...

Thanks.  The intended question was whether the board would have a
hardware RTC, so the application could know the current date and time.
Lots of things I want to do require this.  Adafruit.com has a few add-on
RTC boards but they are relatively big and expensive.  I've never
understood why so many boards omit this.  I can get a digital watch at
the flea market for $2 that includes everything, and on an embedded
board I'd expect all that's needed is a crystal.  The G2 Launchpad comes
with a 32 khz crystal that you have to solder onto the board yourself,
but I get the impression that once you've done that, you can at least
program a software RTC.

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#30810

From"M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com>
Date2014-05-26 23:41 -0700
Message-ID<62b5f0cd-9e8b-405d-a585-112521a6a209@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30743
On Monday, May 26, 2014 6:34:10 AM UTC, Paul Rubin wrote:

> Hey Simon, are you going to have a real time clock on your board?
> 
> That's something missing from almost all these small embedded boards.

RTC on the I2C bus. Designed and laid out - not yet produced and tested.

That is the beauty of I2C. You add what you need to the system by plugging in boards. 

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#30762

From"VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-26 11:03 -0700
Message-ID<2c721c5b-9f24-4779-8cb6-e16a2a418311@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30742
On Monday, May 26, 2014 2:26:06 AM UTC-4, Alexander Skobelev wrote:
> But this time it seems that I've found an idea for a project: an
> automatic watering system for plants. If only I will be able to build a
> device itself - being an application programmer for a long time I almost
> forgot how to hold the soldering iron properly. :)

This is just the right project for TI's G2 Launchpad with 4e4th.
You can start it easily with 4e4th and the 4E4th-IDE.

How is your situation to get hardware? 
Do you have access to distributors like DigiKey?

May be you open a NEW TOPIC at c.l.f., tell your ideas, and give a list of things you need. I am sure you will get help for your project.

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#30815

FromAlexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-27 11:24 +0400
Message-ID<m2k397smyp.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#30762
"VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> writes:

> On Monday, May 26, 2014 2:26:06 AM UTC-4, Alexander Skobelev wrote:
>> But this time it seems that I've found an idea for a project: an
>> automatic watering system for plants. If only I will be able to build a
>> device itself - being an application programmer for a long time I almost
>> forgot how to hold the soldering iron properly. :)
>
> This is just the right project for TI's G2 Launchpad with 4e4th.
> You can start it easily with 4e4th and the 4E4th-IDE.

Thanks for this assumption. I will need to look closer on this board.
Right now I'm not sure if it fits my needs because of its very tight
memory constraints. As a way of developing the project I'd like to create
a system with ability to attach several moisture sensors and
electromagntic valves, and display and set specific modes for each pair
of them on an indicator.

BTW can a program write to flash memory or only to RAM?  

>
> How is your situation to get hardware? 
> Do you have access to distributors like DigiKey?

It seems that I can buy all the needed stuff from local sellers. The price
is usually about 1.5 times higher than if buy in USA, but for such low quantity
I need the delivery cost kills the benefit.

> May be you open a NEW TOPIC at c.l.f., tell your ideas, and give a list
> of things you need. I am sure you will get help for your project.

Thanks. Perhaps, when I stop talking and really start working on this
project I follow your advice. :)

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#30817

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-05-27 00:35 -0700
Message-ID<7xppizsmgy.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#30815
Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> writes:
>> This is just the right project for TI's G2 Launchpad with 4e4th.
>> You can start it easily with 4e4th and the 4E4th-IDE....
> BTW can a program write to flash memory or only to RAM?  

I believe both, but Dirk would know.  Dirk, there is a a couple of newer
MSP430 Launchpad boards with more resources now--do you think of
supporting those?

> It seems that I can buy all the needed stuff from local sellers. The price
> is usually about 1.5 times higher than if buy in USA,

There are some nice boards made by Olimex (olimex.com), a company in
Bulgaria.  Maybe those could be easier for you to get.

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#30835

FromAlexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-27 15:56 +0400
Message-ID<m2lhtnph9a.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#30817
Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> writes:

> Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> writes:
>
> There are some nice boards made by Olimex (olimex.com), a company in
> Bulgaria.  Maybe those could be easier for you to get.

Strange as it may seem, but it is not a fact, that delivery from Bulgaria
will be cheaper and quicklier. 

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#30843

Fromvisualforth@rocketmail.com
Date2014-05-27 10:34 -0700
Message-ID<31b3d79d-5995-4e74-ad28-555a5c8c23bb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30817
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:35:25 AM UTC-4, Paul Rubin wrote:
>
> Dirk, there is a a couple of newer
> MSP430 Launchpad boards with more resources now--do you think of
> supporting those?

Michael did the 4e4th based on CamelForth.
He doesn't have any free capacity now.
So, if anyone who is interested to adapt 4e4th to other MSP430 versions, please let me know. The problem is that TI doesn't make it easy to migrate from one MSP430 version to another. Different MSP430 versions are not compatible.

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#30851

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-27 16:53 -0400
Message-ID<lm2tvj$q3q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#30843
On 5/27/2014 1:34 PM, visualforth@rocketmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:35:25 AM UTC-4, Paul Rubin wrote:
>>
>> Dirk, there is a a couple of newer
>> MSP430 Launchpad boards with more resources now--do you think of
>> supporting those?
>
> Michael did the 4e4th based on CamelForth.
> He doesn't have any free capacity now.
> So, if anyone who is interested to adapt 4e4th to other MSP430 versions, please let me know. The problem is that TI doesn't make it easy to migrate from one MSP430 version to another. Different MSP430 versions are not compatible.

I'm not overly familiar with the MSP430 other than what I've read from 
others over the years.  What is not compatible between the variations on 
MSP430?  That would normally be a big no-no for a chip maker.

-- 

Rick

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#30863

Fromvisualforth@rocketmail.com
Date2014-05-27 20:43 -0700
Message-ID<4dfe77f1-7a72-4cd3-a02e-d52107d4302d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30851
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:53:11 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
> On 5/27/2014 1:34 PM, visualforth.com wrote:
> 
> > On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:35:25 AM UTC-4, Paul Rubin wrote:
> 
> >>
> 
> >> Dirk, there is a a couple of newer
> 
> >> MSP430 Launchpad boards with more resources now--do you think of
> 
> >> supporting those?
> 
> >
> 
> > Michael did the 4e4th based on CamelForth.
> 
> > He doesn't have any free capacity now.
> 
> > So, if anyone who is interested to adapt 4e4th to other MSP430 versions, please let me know. The problem is that TI doesn't make it easy to migrate from one MSP430 version to another. Different MSP430 versions are not compatible.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm not overly familiar with the MSP430 other than what I've read from 
> 
> others over the years.  What is not compatible between the variations on 
> 
> MSP430?  That would normally be a big no-no for a chip maker.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Rick

Rick, 
My first project was with the MSP430F2012, because I needed a DIL package for production. The MSP430F2012 was to small for embedded Forth, so I got my program done by cut and paste parts from TI's code examples. The production runs since three years now.

My hope was that some day there will be a version with more memory. And there it was, the MSP430G2553 two years ago. Problem was, my simple C program didn't run on this part. TI had changed a lot of I/O names and their functionality. 

Then Michael ported CamelForth, and he got the I/O which I needed (ADC, SPI, UART, PWM) running on 4e4th. Michael also ported 4e4th to the MSP430FR5739, that works fine, but much more expensive than the MSP430G2553. Then came the MSP430F5529 LaunchPad. 4e4th doesn't run on this micro yet, because it is different again, and the flasher is different, too.

Believe it or not, TI doesn't make it easy to work with different MSP's.

This is no problem for TI, because there is IAR, Energia, and CCS, these companies do the adapting work with their C compilers. To them these differences don't matter, and the user normally doesn't switch between different micros.

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#30865

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-28 01:57 -0400
Message-ID<lm3ts0$o3k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#30863
On 5/27/2014 11:43 PM, visualforth@rocketmail.com wrote:
>
> This is no problem for TI, because there is IAR, Energia, and CCS, these companies do the adapting work with their C compilers. To them these differences don't matter, and the user normally doesn't switch between different micros.

Actually it *does* matter to users to be able to port code between 
different processors in the same family.  Back when the ARM had not yet 
taken over the world I had a discussion in one of these groups about the 
reason for working with ARMs rather than proprietary CPUs.  I said that 
being able to use the same CPU from many vendors is a great advantage. 
Someone made the point that CPUs usually don't matter as all the details 
are taken care of by the compiler vendors.  But the peripherals differ a 
lot between brands while remaining the same within a line of MCU chips 
and often nearly the same between lines of the same brand.  He had a point.

So it is very surprising to find that the MSP doesn't do this.  It is 
not uncommon to reuse code on different projects, just as you tried to 
do.  For that to be a messy exercise is very unusual.  I know Atmel 
chips are largely compatible within a line.  They even take care to 
document differences that are likely to trip you up.

-- 

Rick

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#30842

Fromvisualforth@rocketmail.com
Date2014-05-27 10:28 -0700
Message-ID<d41a5345-92d8-4341-8f0d-9cb159c2462b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30815
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:24:46 AM UTC-4, Alexander Skobelev wrote:
>
> BTW can a program write to flash memory or only to RAM?  

Of course a program can write to flash memory and to RAM.
Compiling to RAM is not feasible because there is not enough RAM on the MSP430G2553.

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#30809

From"M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com>
Date2014-05-26 23:37 -0700
Message-ID<6f639820-8007-4ebe-a1ec-dee697806202@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30742
On Monday, May 26, 2014 6:26:06 AM UTC, Alexander Skobelev wrote:

> But this time it seems that I've found an idea for a project: an
> 
> automatic watering system for plants. If only I will be able to build a
> 
> device itself - being an application programmer for a long time I almost
> 
> forgot how to hold the soldering iron properly. :)

Let me know what you need for your plant watering and I will design it for you. In fact I have a LOT of designs that are awaiting documentation. It may already be done. 

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#30839

FromAlexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-27 17:29 +0400
Message-ID<m2ha4bpcxr.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#30809
"M. Simon" <msimon6808@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Monday, May 26, 2014 6:26:06 AM UTC, Alexander Skobelev wrote:
>
>> But this time it seems that I've found an idea for a project: an
>> automatic watering system for plants. If only I will be able to build
>> a device itself - being an application programmer for a long time I
>> almost forgot how to hold the soldering iron properly. :)
>
> Let me know what you need for your plant watering and I will design it
> for you. In fact I have a LOT of designs that are awaiting
> documentation. It may already be done.

Thanks for the offer of help. It's very likely I'll need it. 

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#30761

From"VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com>
Date2014-05-26 10:56 -0700
Message-ID<3151858b-9164-46d7-b15d-e9a5b95614ab@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#30740
On Monday, May 26, 2014 1:09:56 AM UTC-4, Paul Rubin wrote:
> I can say that even as an experienced programmer of PC's and servers, I feel a
> bit hesitant at dealing with the hassles of getting a programming
> environment running for these little embedded boards.  I have a few TI
> Launchpad boards sitting in my room that I haven't done anything with
> yet.  I want to get around to running Mecrisp or some other Forth on
> them, but you know how that goes.  At least the boards were cheap ;-).

Paul, please download http://www.4e4th.com/4E4th-IDE.zip or go to http://www.4e4th-ide.org/ - you don't have to deal with the hassles of getting a programming environment running for these little embedded boards. 
It's already there! Written in Forth! And you can download it for free.

You will see how easy it is to get Forth onto TI's G2 Launchpad, it's a matter of seconds. No big overhead, easy to use.

Enjoy!

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