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Forth for MIPS 24K computer

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  Forth for MIPS 24K computer Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2015-01-29 10:52 +0300
    Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-01-29 15:26 +0000
      Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2015-01-30 07:54 +0300
        Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-01-30 12:16 +0000
    Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-01-29 10:54 -0800
      Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-01-29 11:27 -1000
        Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-01-29 22:31 +0000
        Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-01-29 22:35 +0000
      Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2015-01-30 08:19 +0300
        Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2015-01-29 21:56 -0800
        Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-01-30 10:38 +0000
    Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-01-29 20:41 -0800
      Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2015-01-30 09:42 +0300
        Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2015-01-29 22:56 -0800
          Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2015-01-30 10:14 +0300
            Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-01-30 12:13 +0000
              Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2015-01-30 18:12 +0300
                Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2015-01-30 14:00 -0800
                  Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2015-01-31 10:05 +0300
                    Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2015-02-03 21:12 -0800
                      Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-02-03 21:33 -0800
                        Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2015-02-04 13:04 +0100
                        Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-02-04 10:52 -0800
                          Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer lynx <rinkasu@kaze.void.null> - 2015-02-05 04:57 +0000
                      Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2015-02-04 09:43 +0300
                        Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2015-02-04 21:41 -0800
                          Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2015-02-05 11:23 +0300
        Re: Forth for MIPS 24K computer Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2015-01-30 10:21 +0300

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#36111 — Forth for MIPS 24K computer

From	Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com>
Date	2015-01-29 10:52 +0300
Subject	Forth for MIPS 24K computer
Message-ID	<m2a912f2gb.fsf@gmail.com>

Hello all!

I'm just wondering, what the Forth can be used on this computer with MIPS
24K processor:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1133560316/black-swift-tiny-wireless-computer

It looks like Gforth is the only possible candidate?

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#36114

From	empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com>
Date	2015-01-29 15:26 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmckk93.ddo.empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@Ferrycy.localdomain>
In reply to	#36111

In comp.lang.forth, Alexander Skobelev wrote:

> I'm just wondering, what the Forth can be used on this computer with MIPS
> 24K processor:
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1133560316/black-swift-tiny-wireless-computer
>
> It looks like Gforth is the only possible candidate?

If this thing has been designed for Linux, then probably you'll be able to
use open-sourced Forths, like Gforth, pForth, kForth - and it's very likely,
that Hans Bezemer maybe does another port of his 4th, if there's interest.
-- 
"Yes, this is the bad end you've come to, and two and two is - as it always
was..." - began Trurl, but just then the machine made a faint, barely audible
croaking noise and said, for the last time: "SEVEN".

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#36132

From	Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com>
Date	2015-01-30 07:54 +0300
Message-ID	<m2k30450nf.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to	#36114

empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com>
writes:

> In comp.lang.forth, Alexander Skobelev wrote:
>
>> I'm just wondering, what the Forth can be used on this computer with MIPS
>> 24K processor:
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1133560316/black-swift-tiny-wireless-computer
>>
>> It looks like Gforth is the only possible candidate?
>
> If this thing has been designed for Linux, then probably you'll be able to
> use open-sourced Forths, like Gforth, pForth, kForth - and it's very likely,
> that Hans Bezemer maybe does another port of his 4th, if there's interest.
> […]

Yes, you are right. Somehow I've forgot about other OS C-based Forths.

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#36146

From	empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com>
Date	2015-01-30 12:16 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmcmtgc.2ov.empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@Ferrycy.localdomain>
In reply to	#36132

In comp.lang.forth, Alexander Skobelev wrote:

> Yes, you are right. Somehow I've forgot about other OS C-based Forths.

Ah, you wanted "standalone" Forth(OS) for the device? Only FlashForth comes
to mind at the moment - but surely it would require modifications.
-- 
"Yes, this is the bad end you've come to, and two and two is - as it always
was..." - began Trurl, but just then the machine made a faint, barely audible
croaking noise and said, for the last time: "SEVEN".

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#36122

From	visualforth@rocketmail.com
Date	2015-01-29 10:54 -0800
Message-ID	<8d015754-5414-4656-9e85-961e807891c1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#36111

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 2:52:53 AM UTC-5, Alexander Skobelev wrote:
> Hello all!
> 
> I'm just wondering, what the Forth can be used on this computer with MIPS
> 24K processor:
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1133560316/black-swift-tiny-wireless-computer
> 
> It looks like Gforth is the only possible candidate?

Looks interesting!
These people have great ideas, even to easily fit Black Swift inside my old printer making it WiFi-compatible, or using it for metering.

I only don't understand why Linux is needed to run this board. It doesn't have a video or keyboard interface. It's an embedded system, called 'Black Swift' - so it should be run with 'Swift Forth' on it.

Would be great to have a Forth computer that size!

Dirk.

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#36124

From	"Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com>
Date	2015-01-29 11:27 -1000
Message-ID	<btmdnY1YerA0OFfJnZ2dnUU7-dOdnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to	#36122

On 1/29/15 8:54 AM, visualforth@rocketmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 2:52:53 AM UTC-5, Alexander Skobelev wrote:
>> Hello all!
>>
>> I'm just wondering, what the Forth can be used on this computer with MIPS
>> 24K processor:
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1133560316/black-swift-tiny-wireless-computer
>>
>> It looks like Gforth is the only possible candidate?
>
> Looks interesting!
> These people have great ideas, even to easily fit Black Swift inside my old printer making it WiFi-compatible, or using it for metering.
>
> I only don't understand why Linux is needed to run this board. It doesn't have a video or keyboard interface. It's an embedded system, called 'Black Swift' - so it should be run with 'Swift Forth' on it.
>
> Would be great to have a Forth computer that size!

Cute. You could also use SwiftX without the Linux.

Why are they talking NZ$ when they're apparently a Russian group?

Cheers,
Elizabeth

-- 
==================================================
Elizabeth D. Rather   (US & Canada)   800-55-FORTH
FORTH Inc.                         +1 310.999.6784
5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700
Los Angeles, CA 90045
http://www.forth.com

"Forth-based products and Services for real-time
applications since 1973."
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#36126

From	empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com>
Date	2015-01-29 22:31 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmcld5q.ms4.empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@Ferrycy.localdomain>
In reply to	#36124

In comp.lang.forth, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:

> Why are they talking NZ$ when they're apparently a Russian group?

Russian team formed among migrants to NZ? Or maybe the payment to Hong-Kong
manufacturer must be done (for whatever reason) in NZD?
-- 
"Yes..." [cut]

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#36127

From	empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com>
Date	2015-01-29 22:35 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmclddk.n3r.empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@Ferrycy.localdomain>
In reply to	#36124

https://nz.linkedin.com/in/metamal
-- 
"Yes..." [..]

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#36134

From	Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com>
Date	2015-01-30 08:19 +0300
Message-ID	<m2fvas4zgq.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to	#36122

visualforth@rocketmail.com writes:

> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 2:52:53 AM UTC-5, Alexander Skobelev wrote:
>> Hello all!
>> 
>> I'm just wondering, what the Forth can be used on this computer with MIPS
>> 24K processor:
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1133560316/black-swift-tiny-wireless-computer
>> 
>> It looks like Gforth is the only possible candidate?
>
> Looks interesting!
> These people have great ideas, even to easily fit Black Swift inside
> my old printer making it WiFi-compatible, or using it for metering.
>
> I only don't understand why Linux is needed to run this board. It
> doesn't have a video or keyboard interface. It's an embedded system,
> called 'Black Swift' - so it should be run with 'Swift Forth' on it.

As far as I understand, Linux is needed to provide the device drivers
and convenient environment for programs to develop and to run. 

> Would be great to have a Forth computer that size!

Perhpas this board can be a good start point to write Forth OS? You need
only write some drivers and Forth for MIPS. :)

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#36135

From	Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch>
Date	2015-01-29 21:56 -0800
Message-ID	<5b506667-252b-4f53-9bd4-ce82cf7ff0d8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#36134

Sounds interesting but I would prefer a 64 bit environment. 32 bit is a little bit outdated.

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#36141

From	albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst)
Date	2015-01-30 10:38 +0000
Message-ID	<54cb5f1a$0$6848$e4fe514c@dreader36.news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to	#36134

In article <m2fvas4zgq.fsf@gmail.com>,
Alexander Skobelev  <al.skobelev@gmail.com> wrote:
>visualforth@rocketmail.com writes:
>
>> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 2:52:53 AM UTC-5, Alexander Skobelev wrote:
>>> Hello all!
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering, what the Forth can be used on this computer with MIPS
>>> 24K processor:
>>>
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1133560316/black-swift-tiny-wireless-computer
>>>
>>> It looks like Gforth is the only possible candidate?
>>
>> Looks interesting!
>> These people have great ideas, even to easily fit Black Swift inside
>> my old printer making it WiFi-compatible, or using it for metering.
>>
>> I only don't understand why Linux is needed to run this board. It
>> doesn't have a video or keyboard interface. It's an embedded system,
>> called 'Black Swift' - so it should be run with 'Swift Forth' on it.
>
>As far as I understand, Linux is needed to provide the device drivers
>and convenient environment for programs to develop and to run.

Indeed. Suppose you have already a linux based Forth in assembler as
a starting point. All the i/o calls ( FILE wordset, KEY TYPE EMIT
ACCEPT) are the same on MIPS, so you can concentrate on translating
words like + and 0<. In fact Frans van de Markt is developping
an ARM -forth on the beagleboard based on ciforth (assembler)
right now.

>
>> Would be great to have a Forth computer that size!
>
>Perhpas this board can be a good start point to write Forth OS? You need
>only write some drivers and Forth for MIPS. :)

That is a lot more work. Think of writing the USB drivers yourself.

>

Groetjes Albert
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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#36131

From	hughaguilar96@gmail.com
Date	2015-01-29 20:41 -0800
Message-ID	<8dfaf582-c253-4d19-818a-531a879d2974@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#36111

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:52:53 AM UTC-7, Alexander Skobelev wrote:
> Hello all!
> 
> I'm just wondering, what the Forth can be used on this computer with MIPS
> 24K processor:
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1133560316/black-swift-tiny-wireless-computer
> 
> It looks like Gforth is the only possible candidate?

I'm not familiar with the MIPS-24K --- how does that compare to the PIC32?

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#36136

From	Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com>
Date	2015-01-30 09:42 +0300
Message-ID	<m2bnlg4vn2.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to	#36131

hughaguilar96@gmail.com writes:

> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:52:53 AM UTC-7, Alexander Skobelev wrote:
>> Hello all!
>> 
>> I'm just wondering, what the Forth can be used on this computer with MIPS
>> 24K processor:
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1133560316/black-swift-tiny-wireless-computer
>> 
>> It looks like Gforth is the only possible candidate?
>
> I'm not familiar with the MIPS-24K --- how does that compare to the PIC32?

Well I'm familiar  with neither MIPS-24K nor PIC32.

The chipset is used on this board is Qualcomm Atheros AR9331. It is the
MIPS32 24K core. PIC32 seems to have MIPS32 4K core. It's rather
difficult for me to say how 24K and 4K differ, but at least 24K has a
floating point module.

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#36137

From	Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch>
Date	2015-01-29 22:56 -0800
Message-ID	<d2ac3c51-45b5-47b5-a0d4-932ca78074c3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#36136

It would sure be fun to do that. Is there any documentation for the I/O stuff?

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#36138

From	Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com>
Date	2015-01-30 10:14 +0300
Message-ID	<m27fw44u6f.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to	#36137

Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> writes:

> It would sure be fun to do that. Is there any documentation for the
> I/O stuff?

The documentation for board is on their site http://black-swift.com
The documentation for Qualcomm Atheros AR9331 chipset should be
available from its manufacturer, I suppose.

Here is the datashit for the chipset:
http://www.eeboard.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2013/08/AR9331.pdf

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#36145

From	empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com>
Date	2015-01-30 12:13 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmcmtc5.2ov.empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@Ferrycy.localdomain>
In reply to	#36138

In comp.lang.forth, Alexander Skobelev wrote:

> Here is the datashit for the chipset:
> http://www.eeboard.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2013/08/AR9331.pdf

You mean one shouldn't believe it? ;)
-- 
"Yes, this is the bad end you've come to, and two and two is - as it always
was..." - began Trurl, but just then the machine made a faint, barely audible
croaking noise and said, for the last time: "SEVEN".

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#36151

From	Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com>
Date	2015-01-30 18:12 +0300
Message-ID	<m2k304fgl8.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to	#36145

empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com>
writes:

> In comp.lang.forth, Alexander Skobelev wrote:
>
>> Here is the datashit for the chipset:
>> http://www.eeboard.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2013/08/AR9331.pdf
>
> You mean one shouldn't believe it? ;)

Oops! 
I hope they will excuse me for that mistype.  :)))

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#36176

From	Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch>
Date	2015-01-30 14:00 -0800
Message-ID	<a3629e8e-d51a-4c26-b67c-862534e8c968@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#36151

Ok Alex, you convinced me. I have supported the kickstarter project.

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#36180

From	Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com>
Date	2015-01-31 10:05 +0300
Message-ID	<m2mw4z8m5z.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to	#36176

Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> writes:

> Ok Alex, you convinced me. I have supported the kickstarter project.

Good luck! :)
FYI, slightly more documentation for MIPS is here: http://www.imgtec.com/mips/classic/

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#36258

From	Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch>
Date	2015-02-03 21:12 -0800
Message-ID	<77f9db82-5942-4e87-83f1-bbb2a70a1bca@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#36180

Hi Alex

The funding of the black-swift project was successful. They got more than 700 backers.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1133560316/black-swift-tiny-wireless-computer

:D

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