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bug in VFX --- IF does't work

Started byhughaguilar96@gmail.com
First post2015-03-31 15:13 -0700
Last post2015-06-15 23:35 +0000
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  bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-31 15:13 -0700
    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work jfong@ms4.hinet.net - 2015-03-31 20:55 -0700
    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-01 11:26 +0000
      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-01 08:39 -0700
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-01 17:35 +0000
          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-12 15:18 -0700
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-04-02 10:35 +0100
          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-02 10:08 +0000
      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-01 12:33 -0700
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Rod Pemberton" <bork@lllljunkqwer.cpm> - 2015-04-01 22:16 -0400
      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-01 13:40 -0700
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-02 17:07 +0000
          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-02 19:18 -0700
            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-03 06:43 +0000
              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-03 10:49 -0700
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work beeflo <beeflobill@gmail.com> - 2015-04-03 11:17 -0700
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-03 14:35 -0400
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-03 19:42 +0100
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk - 2015-04-03 14:34 -0700
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-03 20:52 -0400
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk - 2015-04-04 03:47 -0700
                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-04 14:07 -0700
                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 00:11 -0400
                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk - 2015-04-05 08:11 -0700
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-03 23:50 +0000
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2015-04-04 05:44 +0200
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-03 21:32 -0700
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2015-04-04 17:03 +0200
                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-04 21:56 -0700
                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2015-04-05 18:11 +0200
                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-05 10:13 -0700
                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2015-04-06 14:03 +0200
                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-06 14:44 +0000
                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2015-04-07 11:02 +0200
                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-07 17:21 -0700
                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-07 16:02 +0000
                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-07 11:06 -0700
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2015-04-03 18:52 -1000
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-05 03:54 +0000
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2015-04-05 18:21 +0200
              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-05 21:47 -0700
          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-12 14:41 -0700
            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-12 23:20 +0000
              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-12 18:40 -0700
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-06-13 04:36 -0400
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-13 23:12 -0700
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-06-14 09:53 -0400
                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-14 18:38 -0700
                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-15 21:03 +0100
                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-15 19:38 -0700
                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-06-15 22:54 -0400
                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-16 10:01 +0100
                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-16 18:25 -0700
                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-17 10:11 +0100
                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-06-15 22:49 -0400
                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-15 21:56 -0700
                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-16 00:11 -0700
                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-16 07:21 +0000
                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-16 19:45 -0700
                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-17 10:34 +0000
                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-06-17 08:49 -0700
                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work mhx@iae.nl - 2015-06-17 13:50 -0700
                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-17 18:36 -0700
                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-06-17 23:44 -0700
                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-06-17 21:14 -1000
                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 00:15 -0700
                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-18 09:27 +0100
                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 02:04 -0700
                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 03:32 -0700
                                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 04:19 -0700
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-18 12:31 +0000
                                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 05:57 -0700
                                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-18 12:21 +0000
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-06-18 08:01 -1000
                                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-18 12:11 -0700
                                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-06-18 17:25 -0400
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-18 22:56 +0200
                                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work coos <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-06-18 18:54 +0200
                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-18 10:53 -0700
                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-18 21:31 +0100
                                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 23:58 -0700
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-19 08:23 +0100
                                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 01:01 -0700
                                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Thomas Östreicher <thomas.oestreicher@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 01:07 -0700
                                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-19 09:38 +0000
                                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 02:51 -0700
                                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-20 16:35 +0000
                                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 21:28 -0700
                                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-20 21:33 -0700
                                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 21:49 -0700
                                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-21 14:01 +0000
                                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-21 14:19 +0000
                                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-22 13:16 +0000
                                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-22 16:53 +0000
                                                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-23 15:39 +0000
                                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-23 18:11 +0000
                                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-20 16:26 +0000
                                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-20 21:55 -0700
                                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-21 14:26 +0000
                                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-22 00:29 +0100
                                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-22 03:24 +0200
                                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-22 07:49 +0000
                                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-21 21:16 -0700
                                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 02:09 -0700
                                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-06-22 05:57 -0400
                                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-21 14:27 +0000
                                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-22 11:58 +0000
                                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 01:04 -0700
                                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-20 16:17 +0000
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 00:55 -0700
                                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 02:42 -0700
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 03:56 -0400
                                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 02:47 -0700
                                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-19 11:37 +0000
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-19 19:56 -0700
                                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-21 21:23 +0100
                                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-22 08:39 +0000
                                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-22 11:27 +0100
                                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-22 16:07 +0000
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-21 14:56 +0000
                                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 00:40 -0700
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 10:55 +0300
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-21 14:43 +0000
                                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 02:05 -0700
                                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-22 16:41 +0000
                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-19 12:55 +0000
                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-18 10:00 -0700
                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-18 20:56 +0100
                                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 03:13 +0300
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-19 08:37 +0100
                                            WAS: bug in VFX... IS: More rants from Rantman of Rantland rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 16:33 -0400
                                              Re: WAS: bug in VFX... IS: More rants from Rantman of Rantland "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-06-19 05:19 -0400
                                              Re: WAS: bug in VFX... IS: More rants from Rantman of Rantland Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2015-06-19 13:38 +0100
                                                Re: WAS: bug in VFX... IS: More rants from Rantman of Rantland rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 12:29 -0400
                                                  Re: WAS: bug in VFX... IS: More rants from Rantman of Rantland "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-06-19 17:53 -0400
                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-19 12:07 +0000
                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-19 12:55 +0000
                                          The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-20 15:36 +0000
                                            Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-06-20 14:01 -0400
                                              Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-06-20 08:33 -1000
                                                Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-20 21:18 -0700
                                              Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-21 13:09 +0000
                                            Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-21 14:50 +0000
                                              Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-21 23:58 +0200
                                                Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-22 10:54 +0000
                                                  Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-22 15:52 +0000
                                                    Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-22 17:08 +0000
                                                      Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-23 16:43 +0000
                                                  Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-22 20:19 +0200
                                              Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-22 08:47 +0000
                                                Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-22 13:58 +0000
                                                  Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-22 15:37 +0000
                                                    Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-22 17:02 +0000
                                                      Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-23 16:29 +0000
                                                        Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-23 18:18 +0000
                                                  Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 (was: bug in VFX --- IF does't work) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 00:42 -0700
                                                    Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-06-22 21:47 -1000
                                                      Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 02:42 -0700
                                                        Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 03:38 -0700
                                                          Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-23 12:55 +0000
                                                            Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 06:55 -0700
                                                            Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2015-06-23 08:29 -0700
                                                            Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-23 16:47 +0000
                                                        Re: The meaning of xt in Forth-94 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-23 10:30 +0000
                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-19 15:07 +0200
                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-20 16:09 +0000
                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-22 16:24 -0700
                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-15 17:41 +0000
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-15 16:54 +0000
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-06-15 22:57 -0400
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-13 10:51 +0000
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-13 12:57 +0100
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-13 21:53 -0700
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-13 22:41 -0700
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-14 11:42 +0000
                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-14 09:26 -0700
                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-14 23:15 +0000
                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-14 16:39 -0700
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-14 15:21 -0700
                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-06-14 23:20 +0000
                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-14 16:48 -0700
                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-14 17:52 -0700
                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2015-06-14 21:13 -0400
                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-06-14 20:09 -0700
      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-03 10:25 -0700
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-03 14:43 -0400
          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-03 20:14 +0100
          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work jfong@ms4.hinet.net - 2015-04-03 23:16 -0700
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-03 20:02 +0100
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-03 20:46 +0000
          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2015-04-04 06:43 -0700
            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-04 17:31 +0000
              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2015-04-04 15:54 -0700
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-04 21:01 -0700
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-06 04:48 +0000
          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-04 13:57 -0700
            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 00:16 -0400
            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-05 10:11 +0000
              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-05 14:37 -0700
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-06 04:52 +0000
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-05 21:58 -0700
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-06 13:56 +0000
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-04-06 22:22 +0200
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-06 18:09 -0700
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-07 14:30 +0000
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-07 15:43 +0000
                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-10 19:55 -0700
                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-11 15:51 +0000
                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-11 16:25 -0700
                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-12 10:22 +0000
                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-12 10:48 +0000
                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-12 10:53 +0000
                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-04-12 14:18 +0200
                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-04-12 14:35 +0200
                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-13 12:36 +0000
                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 06:00 -0700
                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-04-13 21:02 +0200
                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 13:32 -0700
                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-12 09:40 -0700
                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 13:38 -0400
                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-12 18:55 +0000
                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-13 00:07 -0700
                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-13 08:07 +0000
                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-12 23:09 +0000
                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-12 20:35 -0700
                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-13 10:10 +0000
                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-13 15:58 -0400
                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-13 13:13 -0700
                                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-14 11:40 +0000
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-14 18:48 -0700
                                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-06-12 21:51 -0400
                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-13 00:13 +0100
                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-12 20:43 -0700
                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-13 09:53 +0100
                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-14 09:46 +0000
                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-14 10:01 -0700
                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-14 18:24 +0100
                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Rod Pemberton" <bork@lllljunkqwer.cpm> - 2015-04-14 17:17 -0400
                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 18:08 +0300
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Rod Pemberton" <bork@lllljunkqwer.cpm> - 2015-04-06 22:07 -0400
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-04-06 16:44 -1000
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-07 11:09 +0000
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-07 14:49 +0000
                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-08 01:58 +0100
              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-20 23:21 -0700
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 02:10 -0700
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-21 10:41 +0000
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-21 13:31 +0100
                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 06:00 -0700
                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-21 14:09 +0100
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-04-22 10:59 +0200
                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-22 11:41 +0000
                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-04-22 14:13 +0200
                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-22 14:06 +0000
                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-22 15:42 +0000
                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-22 15:57 +0000
                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-22 16:43 +0000
                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-04-24 05:35 +0200
                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-24 11:22 +0000
                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 11:18 -0700
                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-04-25 01:21 +0200
                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-25 16:49 +0000
                                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2015-05-03 21:07 +0100
                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-03 23:25 +0100
                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work gwj.nexus@gmail.com - 2015-05-05 10:53 -0700
                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-05 19:10 +0100
                                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Gerry <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2015-05-06 21:41 +0100
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-07 11:05 +0100
                                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-08 11:35 +0000
                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-06 14:09 +0000
                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-04 03:08 +0200
                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-04 09:23 +0100
                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-04 20:32 +0200
                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-06 13:26 +0000
                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-06 20:00 +0200
                                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-06 13:24 -0700
                                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-08 12:07 +0000
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-08 18:26 +0100
                                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-09 01:10 +0200
                                                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-12 16:13 +0000
                                                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-13 00:11 +0200
                                        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-04 16:58 +0000
                                          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work gwj.nexus@gmail.com - 2015-05-05 11:24 -0700
                                            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-06 13:13 +0000
                              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 13:11 -0700
                                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-25 21:05 -0700
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-21 14:06 +0100
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-22 20:05 -0700
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-23 05:57 +0000
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-23 10:50 +0000
                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 11:59 -0700
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-12 23:18 +0000
                      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-12 20:24 -0700
      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-04-24 08:56 -1000
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 12:09 -0700
          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-04-24 22:29 +0100
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-15 17:54 +0000
    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-02 09:04 -0700
      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-02 21:04 -0700
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-03 10:48 +0000
          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 17:52 +0200
            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-10 16:13 +0000
          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-11 16:56 -0700
            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-12 09:28 -0700
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-03 10:26 -0700
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-05 21:54 -0700
    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-04-26 01:20 +0200
      Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-26 15:09 +0000
        Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-04-27 03:13 +0200
          Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-01 14:59 +0000
            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-05-01 19:38 +0000
              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-01 16:59 -0700
              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 15:56 +0000
            Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-05-01 22:45 +0200
              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2015-05-02 02:58 -0700
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-05-02 11:51 +0000
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-02 12:25 +0000
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-02 16:45 +0000
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-05-02 19:12 +0100
              Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-05-03 16:23 +0000
                Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-03 15:47 -0700
                  Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-05-04 10:11 +0100
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-05-04 09:16 -0700
                    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work roman.pavlyuk.0@gmail.com - 2015-05-04 10:15 -0700
    Re: bug in VFX --- IF does't work "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-15 23:35 +0000

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#37922

Fromjkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk
Date2015-04-04 03:47 -0700
Message-ID<a4e90b82-daf8-484d-ba42-3d5c1fcf2109@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#37910
Hi Rick

On Saturday, 4 April 2015 01:52:14 UTC+1, rickman  wrote:
> On 4/3/2015 5:34 PM, jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk wrote:
> > On Friday, 3 April 2015 18:50:00 UTC+1, hughag...@gmail.com  wrote:
> >
> >> Whenever I write code and it doesn't work, my first assumption is that there is a bug in the compiler --- I don't even consider the possibility that I have made a mistake, as this is pretty rare.
> >>
> >
> > Have you any idea how statements like this make you appear to others? I'd mark it down as an attempt at humo(u)r if you didn't have a track record of such utterances.
> 
> I initially thought the same thing, but then I recalled back in the day 
> when I did my work 8 hours a day (or more), every day and then hobbied 
> in it on the weekends.  I felt the same way.  I remember once (quite 
> awhile ago) I found a bug in the behavior of the a C library call.  Once 
> I narrowed it to the library call I didn't doubt myself for a minute.  I 
> think MS had a policy that if you reported a bug they gave you a free 
> copy of the tool.
> 

I don't in any way doubt that one _can_ find compiler errors etc. ... but the
'Venn diagram' of possibilities slews heavily towards that not being the case,
usually.

I lead a small team of 8 or so SW Embedded SW developers, and I've worked with
a few people I'd call SW geniuses. There's no way I'd want someone with
Hugh's attitude on my team, it indicates one or more of (a) lack of wisdom,
(b) unwarranted arrogance, (c) comic lack of self-awareness.

    J^n

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#37945

Fromhughaguilar96@gmail.com
Date2015-04-04 14:07 -0700
Message-ID<7c3b08c4-25d5-4388-b65b-acf9869d15e2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#37922
On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 3:47:20 AM UTC-7, jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk wrote:
> I lead a small team of 8 or so SW Embedded SW developers, and I've worked with
> a few people I'd call SW geniuses. There's no way I'd want someone with
> Hugh's attitude on my team, it indicates one or more of (a) lack of wisdom,
> (b) unwarranted arrogance, (c) comic lack of self-awareness.
> 
>     J^n

My experience with professional Forth programming was at Testra. I wasn't on a "team" --- I wrote MFX myself without any help --- I don't know what it would be like to be on a team of programmers (do you take turns pressing keys on the keyboard?).

Most likely, the "SW geniuses" on your team were just the ones who brown-nosed you the most --- afaik, that is what being a "team member" is all about --- in my experience, most people's definition of "genius" is anybody who agrees with them on every goofy idea that they come up with.

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#37955

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2015-04-05 00:11 -0400
Message-ID<mfqckt$rat$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37945
On 4/4/2015 5:07 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 3:47:20 AM UTC-7, jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk wrote:
>> I lead a small team of 8 or so SW Embedded SW developers, and I've worked with
>> a few people I'd call SW geniuses. There's no way I'd want someone with
>> Hugh's attitude on my team, it indicates one or more of (a) lack of wisdom,
>> (b) unwarranted arrogance, (c) comic lack of self-awareness.
>>
>>      J^n
>
> My experience with professional Forth programming was at Testra. I wasn't on a "team" --- I wrote MFX myself without any help --- I don't know what it would be like to be on a team of programmers (do you take turns pressing keys on the keyboard?).
>
> Most likely, the "SW geniuses" on your team were just the ones who brown-nosed you the most --- afaik, that is what being a "team member" is all about --- in my experience, most people's definition of "genius" is anybody who agrees with them on every goofy idea that they come up with.

Yes, I'm sure the reason you can't get a programming job is that you 
know too much Forth...

-- 

Rick

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#37963

Fromjkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk
Date2015-04-05 08:11 -0700
Message-ID<40b57203-425f-434a-ab64-8fa167a09110@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#37945
On Saturday, 4 April 2015 22:07:05 UTC+1, hughag...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 3:47:20 AM UTC-7, jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk wrote:
> > I lead a small team of 8 or so SW Embedded SW developers, and I've worked with
> > a few people I'd call SW geniuses. There's no way I'd want someone with
> > Hugh's attitude on my team, it indicates one or more of (a) lack of wisdom,
> > (b) unwarranted arrogance, (c) comic lack of self-awareness.
> > 
> >     J^n
> 
> My experience with professional Forth programming was at Testra. I wasn't on a "team" --- I wrote MFX myself without any help --- I don't know what it would be like to be on a team of programmers (do you take turns pressing keys on the keyboard?).
> 
> Most likely, the "SW geniuses" on your team were just the ones who brown-nosed you the most --- afaik, that is what being a "team member" is all about --- in my experience, most people's definition of "genius" is anybody who agrees with them on every goofy idea that they come up with.

As usual, you extrapolate wildly and without much foundation. I wasn't meaning
people on my team when I referred to SW geniuses, for starters.

You would benefit from widening your experience ... of team work, for starters.
It's very clear you don't know what team work is like. But don't let one or two
bad experiences colour your judgement so much.

    J^n

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#37905

Fromalbert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst)
Date2015-04-03 23:50 +0000
Message-ID<551f2727$0$3022$e4fe514c@dreader35.news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#37889
In article <7615f351-99f7-405d-b2dd-ec06b035f1e5@googlegroups.com>,
 <hughaguilar96@gmail.com> wrote:
>Whenever I write code and it doesn't work, my first assumption is that
>there is a bug in the compiler --- I don't even consider the
>possibility that I have made a mistake, as this is pretty rare.

ROFLA!

>
>You can get all the cult members (Albert v.d.Horst so far) to back you
>up and say that I'm wrong about everything --- but you can't buffalo
>me --- I know I'm right.

Thank you. I always wanted to be a cult member.

(Please limit your lines to 72 char's, this time I've done it for you.)

Groetjes Albert
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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#37913

FromHans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com>
Date2015-04-04 05:44 +0200
Message-ID<co96hgFduiaU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#37889
hughaguilar96@gmail.com schrieb:

> I'm getting really tired of everybody on comp.lang.forth telling me
> that I'm wrong about everything. What you are saying here is no
> different from Alex McDonald saying that I have a "serious
> misunderstand of how pointers work" --- typical cult behavior.

When I tried to find out more about current FORTH systems, I came to the 
following (strictly personal) conclusions:

1) I distinguish between old-style (threaded) code, for interactive 
program development, and new-style (native compiled) code, aiming at 
performant programs as an alternative to other programming languages.

2) FORTH code is almost write-only, the readability depends heavily on 
explicit documentation. This is acceptable with small applications, or 
with libraries coming with a small and well documented interface (API). 
The same applies to LISP and other functional languages, for which I 
never had any serious application cases.


Taking both together I may give FORTH another try, as a development 
environment resident on my medium sized microcontrollers, using kind of 
threaded code as used with my 8 bit microprocessors, decades ago. WRT 
native code I'll try to implement a C compatible Pascal front-end to 
gcc, because I used Delphi in the last decades and learned to love that 
language (OPL), before I start to dig into compiled FORTH (if ever).

WRT this group I think that it is dedicated to compiled FORTH and its 
(ongoing?) evolution, and it looks like a bad idea to mix features of 
both[1] branches. I can't see why it should be wrong to follow one or 
other branch or standard, but this basic choice should be made clear 
with every single discussion, just to prevent flame and language wars.

Just my 0.02€
DoDi

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#37914

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-03 21:32 -0700
Message-ID<87384g7bun.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net>
In reply to#37913
Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> writes:
> When I tried to find out more about current FORTH systems, I came to
> the following (strictly personal) conclusions:

They are interesting.

> 2) FORTH code is almost write-only...  The same applies to LISP and
> other functional languages, for which I never had any serious
> application cases.

http://cufp.org/ might be of interest.  Common Lisp is pretty retro
these days, but tons of stuff is being done in Haskell, ML/Ocaml,
Clojure, Scala, Erlang, etc.

> WRT native code I'll try to implement a C compatible Pascal front-end
> to gcc

There might be one around already.  There is certainly Ada, which is a
descendant of Pascal.

> WRT this group I think that it is dedicated to compiled FORTH and its
> (ongoing?) evolution, and it looks like a bad idea to mix features of
> both[1] branches. 

The compiled Forths have to take special measures to act the same as
interpreted ones, but they do that.  Elizabeth mentioned a while back
that native code became important on 32-bit systems because threaded
code took more space: a whole 32-bit cell for each word of any
definition, when there are rarely more than a few thousand definitions.
32 bits of native code can do more than a simple DUP token.  In the
16-bit era threading wasn't so bad, but 32-bit wastes a lot of space and
64-bit even more.  On the other hand there are fewer memory constraints
now.

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#37952

FromHans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com>
Date2015-04-04 17:03 +0200
Message-ID<cobodbF300bU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#37914
Paul Rubin schrieb:
> Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> writes:

>> WRT native code I'll try to implement a C compatible Pascal front-end
>> to gcc
> 
> There might be one around already.  There is certainly Ada, which is a
> descendant of Pascal.

I forgot to mention: a front-end for *avr-gcc*, that will make use of 
the code generation of avr-gcc. The gcc terminology is quite sloppy 
here, considering the whole compiler (including code generation) as a 
front-end, and I don't want to invent my own optimization and code 
generation for all the controllers supported by avr-gcc.

DoDi

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#37957

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-04 21:56 -0700
Message-ID<87egnz5g1i.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net>
In reply to#37952
Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> writes:
> I forgot to mention: a [Pascal] front-end for *avr-gcc*, that will
> make use of the code generation of avr-gcc.

Is that different than regular gcc generating code for the avr?

I believe GNAT (gcc-based Ada system) can generate code for the avr 
though I don't know how complete the runtime library is.

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#37964

FromHans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com>
Date2015-04-05 18:11 +0200
Message-ID<cod65jFdosjU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#37957
Paul Rubin schrieb:
> Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> writes:
>> I forgot to mention: a [Pascal] front-end for *avr-gcc*, that will
>> make use of the code generation of avr-gcc.
> 
> Is that different than regular gcc generating code for the avr?

I'm not sure yet about the output of a gcc front-end. Some docs say that 
it's assembly code, this would be the worst case. It also might be 
GIMPLE, what doesn't help me much because I also don't know yet how to 
create output for GIMPLE. ATM I need a good C/C++ development 
environment for exploring an existing compiler, then I'll know better 
where to start.

> I believe GNAT (gcc-based Ada system) can generate code for the avr 
> though I don't know how complete the runtime library is.

The avr-gcc comes with C, C++, Java, FORTRAN, ADA and a couple of other 
language front-ends. I don't know how these are related to the standard 
gcc, and what processors are supported by the standard gcc.

The libraries are another reason why I want binary compatibility, so 
that my Pascal can use the C++ classes provided by the avr libraries.

DoDi

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#37966

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-05 10:13 -0700
Message-ID<877ftq5whl.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net>
In reply to#37964
Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> writes:
> The avr-gcc comes with C, C++, Java, FORTRAN, ADA ...  I want binary
> compatibility, so that my Pascal can use the C++ classes provided by
> the avr libraries.

Is there a reason you want to use Pascal instead of Ada?  Pascal is very
restrictive.  Ada is a Pascal-like language that is much more suited for
systems level programmng.  Here is a good article about it:

http://cowlark.com/2014-04-27-ada/index.html

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#38005

FromHans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com>
Date2015-04-06 14:03 +0200
Message-ID<cofbdlFu1s2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#37966
Paul Rubin schrieb:
> Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> writes:
>> The avr-gcc comes with C, C++, Java, FORTRAN, ADA ...  I want binary
>> compatibility, so that my Pascal can use the C++ classes provided by
>> the avr libraries.
> 
> Is there a reason you want to use Pascal instead of Ada?  Pascal is very
> restrictive.  Ada is a Pascal-like language that is much more suited for
> systems level programmng.  Here is a good article about it:
> 
> http://cowlark.com/2014-04-27-ada/index.html

Thanks for your kick into my lazy a^w back ;-)

Until now I had misplaced ADA under overly bloated (~Algol) and verbose 
(~COBOL) languages, and was very surprised that instead it's almost what 
I had in mind - and much more! :-)

DoDi

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#38010

Fromalbert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst)
Date2015-04-06 14:44 +0000
Message-ID<55229bc0$0$21252$e4fe514c@dreader37.news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#38005
In article <cofbdlFu1s2U1@mid.individual.net>,
Hans-Peter Diettrich  <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> wrote:
>Paul Rubin schrieb:
>> Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> writes:
>>> The avr-gcc comes with C, C++, Java, FORTRAN, ADA ...  I want binary
>>> compatibility, so that my Pascal can use the C++ classes provided by
>>> the avr libraries.
>>
>> Is there a reason you want to use Pascal instead of Ada?  Pascal is very
>> restrictive.  Ada is a Pascal-like language that is much more suited for
>> systems level programmng.  Here is a good article about it:
>>
>> http://cowlark.com/2014-04-27-ada/index.html
>
>Thanks for your kick into my lazy a^w back ;-)
>
>Until now I had misplaced ADA under overly bloated (~Algol) and verbose
>(~COBOL) languages, and was very surprised that instead it's almost what
>I had in mind - and much more! :-)

The most complete algol (algol68) is not bloated. The revised report
is (ca. 50 pages) is an exhaustive description.
Even so algol68 contains much that wasn't introduced
in other languages for decennia.

>
>DoDi

Groetjes Albert
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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#38050

FromHans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com>
Date2015-04-07 11:02 +0200
Message-ID<coivf4FsihqU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#38010
Albert van der Horst schrieb:

> The most complete algol (algol68) is not bloated. The revised report
> is (ca. 50 pages) is an exhaustive description.
> Even so algol68 contains much that wasn't introduced
> in other languages for decennia.

These ommissions indicate what I mean with bloat. Many features of 
Algol68 were never needed or really used, maybe because of their poor 
performance (at that time) or compiler bugs. I admit that it's not a 
strong argument, that I used only a fraction of the features in my own 
programs, but that indicates at least a lack of use cases for all the 
features. The successors (AlgolW, Pascal...) were more practical, WRT 
both the compiler implementors and the users.

DoDi

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#38051

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-07 17:21 -0700
Message-ID<87lhi3fp0u.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net>
In reply to#38050
Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> writes:
> These ommissions indicate what I mean with bloat. Many features of
> Algol68 were never needed or really used, maybe because of their poor
> performance (at that time) or compiler bugs.

I liked this: http://cowlark.com/2009-11-15-go/

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#38047

From"WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com>
Date2015-04-07 16:02 +0000
Message-ID<mg0v32$hae$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37966
Paul Rubin wrote:

> Is there a reason you want to use Pascal instead of Ada?  Pascal is very
> restrictive. 

I don't think that modern Pascal is very restrictive.  You may be
thinking of Wirth's original Pascal.

http://www.freepascal.org/

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#38048

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-04-07 11:06 -0700
Message-ID<87pp7fg6dl.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net>
In reply to#38047
"WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> writes:
> I don't think that modern Pascal is very restrictive.  You may be
> thinking of Wirth's original Pascal.
> http://www.freepascal.org/

Nice, I didn't know about that.  But, every Pascal that anyone ever used
in practice had extensions to make it usable.  And Ada is having sort of
a revival these days.

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#37915

FromElizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com>
Date2015-04-03 18:52 -1000
Message-ID<2umdnfDbSI9q8ILInZ2dnUU7-cudnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#37913
On 4/3/2015 5:44 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
...

> When I tried to find out more about current FORTH systems, I came to the
> following (strictly personal) conclusions:
>
> 1) I distinguish between old-style (threaded) code, for interactive
> program development, and new-style (native compiled) code, aiming at
> performant programs as an alternative to other programming languages.

Having worked with threaded code Forth for 20 years and native compiled 
code for 15 (before I retired) I have to say that the only difference in 
programming methodology or interactivity is that the old-style systems 
kept source in blocks and the modern ones in files.

There are some technical constraints, such as in the recent discussion 
we've been having about manipulating program flow by doing things to the 
Return Stack -- but even that is transparent on some compiled code 
systems. And you're always quite free to use implementation-dependent 
strategies so long as you're prepared to accept the resulting dependence.

And the native compiled code is really significantly faster.

> 2) FORTH code is almost write-only, the readability depends heavily on
> explicit documentation. This is acceptable with small applications, or
> with libraries coming with a small and well documented interface (API).
> The same applies to LISP and other functional languages, for which I
> never had any serious application cases.

The readability of Forth code is primarily dependent on two factors: the 
reader's experience with Forth, and the discipline of the programmer. At 
FORTH, Inc. we worked in teams of programmers who agreed on certain 
stylistic conventions, and followed them. As a result, we could read 
each other's code quite easily, and our customers found our code quite 
readable, as well. Of course, we used internal documentation a lot, too.

> Taking both together I may give FORTH another try, as a development
> environment resident on my medium sized microcontrollers, using kind of
> threaded code as used with my 8 bit microprocessors, decades ago. WRT
> native code I'll try to implement a C compatible Pascal front-end to
> gcc, because I used Delphi in the last decades and learned to love that
> language (OPL), before I start to dig into compiled FORTH (if ever).

May I suggest that, just as an exercise, you download one of the free 
evaluation versions of the SwiftX cross-compilers from FORTH, Inc. (most 
popular microcontrollers are supported) and check it out. I would be 
interested in your impressions.

> WRT this group I think that it is dedicated to compiled FORTH and its
> (ongoing?) evolution, and it looks like a bad idea to mix features of
> both[1] branches. I can't see why it should be wrong to follow one or
> other branch or standard, but this basic choice should be made clear
> with every single discussion, just to prevent flame and language wars.

Well, the standards have studiously avoided dependence or expectation of 
any implementation strategy, since 1994, and focus entirely on semantics 
(what words do). Currently active posters here run the gamut from 
newbies to more advanced users and implementors, so you really get the 
whole range.

> Just my 0.02€
> DoDi

Welcome [back]!

Cheers,
Elizabeth

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5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700
Los Angeles, CA 90045
http://www.forth.com

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applications since 1973."
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#37953

From"WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com>
Date2015-04-05 03:54 +0000
Message-ID<mfqbkn$q3s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37913
Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:

> WRT native code I'll try to implement a C compatible
> Pascal front-end to gcc, because I used Delphi in
> the last decades and learned to love that language
> (OPL), before I start to dig into compiled FORTH (if
> ever).

Consider Free Pascal.

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#37965

FromHans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com>
Date2015-04-05 18:21 +0200
Message-ID<cod65lFdosjU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#37953
WJ schrieb:
> Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
> 
>> WRT native code I'll try to implement a C compatible
>> Pascal front-end to gcc, because I used Delphi in
>> the last decades and learned to love that language
>> (OPL), before I start to dig into compiled FORTH (if
>> ever).
> 
> Consider Free Pascal.

That's not a good idea, because it doesn't support ATmel processors nor 
gcc C++ classes. Free Pascal also is aimed at Delphi (GPU) 
compatibility, not at microcontrollers with interrupts, Harvard 
architecture and other stuff. It also doesn't support gcc libraries.

Some years ago I tried to complete an 68000 back-end for Free Pascal, 
and gave up after some tries. Modifying the front-end is much more 
complicated :-(

DoDi

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