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  Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 09:38 +0200
    Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 01:06 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 11:24 +0200
        Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 02:46 -0700
          Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:10 -0700
        Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 02:51 -0700
          Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 12:12 +0200
            Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 03:37 -0700
              Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 13:05 +0200
                Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 04:52 -0700
                  Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 14:44 +0200
                Re: Forth Forum? Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2012-10-07 10:20 -0500
            Re: Forth Forum? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-07 07:51 -0700
              Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 17:47 +0200
    Re: Forth Forum? "Paul E. Bennett" <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2012-10-07 10:48 +0100
      Re: Forth Forum? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-07 08:24 -1000
    Re: Forth Forum? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 07:35 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? mentifex@myuw.net - 2012-10-08 14:36 -0700
        Re: Forth Forum? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 14:45 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-07 07:49 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-07 19:21 -0400
      Re: Forth Forum? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-07 21:41 +0200
        Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-08 17:45 +0200
          Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-08 17:32 -0400
            Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-09 07:48 +0200
            Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:28 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:37 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:55 -0700
              Re: Forth Forum? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-09 20:53 +0200
              Re: Forth Forum? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-10 20:43 -0700
              Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-11 14:42 +0200
            Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 13:52 -0400
            Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-11 04:36 -0400
              Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 18:34 -0400
                Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-12 03:15 -0400
            Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:21 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-07 19:15 -0400
      Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-08 17:26 +0200
        Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-08 16:43 -0400
    Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 19:39 -0400
      Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-08 17:31 +0200
      Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:22 -0700
        Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 18:52 -0400
    Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:09 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-11 15:26 +0200

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#15996 — Forth Forum?

I am accessing this group with Thunderbird, but have to move to Outlook 
which does not have a newsreader. A browser accessible Forth Forum would 
be easier and probably attract more participants (Usenet is dwindling 
after all). Google groups is very unpractical.

Question:
Is there a decent Forth forum of "sufficient" popularity?
Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?

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#15997

> Question:
> Is there a decent Forth forum of "sufficient" popularity?
No. Not that I'm aware of. Probably the most popular is the CamelForth
forum:
http://www.camelforth.com/news.php

And frankly, it's a veritable graveyard.

> Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?
It would have happened by now. I imagine the core Forth community is
of such an age that they are more comfortable with news readers than
pesky web sites!

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#15998

On 07.10.2012 10:06, Mark Wills wrote:
>
>> Question:
>> Is there a decent Forth forum of "sufficient" popularity?
> No. Not that I'm aware of. Probably the most popular is the CamelForth
> forum:
> http://www.camelforth.com/news.php
>
> And frankly, it's a veritable graveyard.
>
>> Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?
> It would have happened by now. I imagine the core Forth community is
> of such an age that they are more comfortable with news readers than
> pesky web sites!
>

Well... you are underestimating us...  :-)

I guess it's more a question of efforts and costs.
While a suitable software would be there (there are others of course):
http://sourceforge.net/projects/fudforum/
somebody has to set up and administer the forum (and database) and keep 
the server online.

I can see only Forth Inc who theoretically "could" see some advertising 
benefit in it that "could" repay the costs. Or a university. But I doubt 
it. And hobbywise would be too short living...

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#15999

On Oct 7, 10:31 am, "A. K." <a...@nospam.org> wrote:
> On 07.10.2012 10:06, Mark Wills wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Question:
> >> Is there a decent Forth forum of "sufficient" popularity?
> > No. Not that I'm aware of. Probably the most popular is the CamelForth
> > forum:
> >http://www.camelforth.com/news.php
>
> > And frankly, it's a veritable graveyard.
>
> >> Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?
> > It would have happened by now. I imagine the core Forth community is
> > of such an age that they are more comfortable with news readers than
> > pesky web sites!
>
> Well... you are underestimating us...  :-)
>
> I guess it's more a question of efforts and costs.
> While a suitable software would be there (there are others of course):http://sourceforge.net/projects/fudforum/
> somebody has to set up and administer the forum (and database) and keep
> the server online.
>
> I can see only Forth Inc who theoretically "could" see some advertising
> benefit in it that "could" repay the costs. Or a university. But I doubt
> it. And hobbywise would be too short living...

Well, I could do it. I own the domain forthfiles.net and the server
resources are sat there doing nothing. I could install a PHP forum
suite in a few minutes.

I haven't bothered because I doubt very much that many of the 'crowd'
here on CLF would use it. That ends up potentially diluting an already
tiny crowd.

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#16191

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:46:00 AM UTC-7, M.R.W Wills wrote:
> On Oct 7, 10:31 am, "A. K." <a...@nospam.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 07.10.2012 10:06, Mark Wills wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > >> Question:
> 
> > >> Is there a decent Forth forum of "sufficient" popularity?
> 
> > > No. Not that I'm aware of. Probably the most popular is the CamelForth
> 
> > > forum:
> 
> > >http://www.camelforth.com/news.php
> 
> >
> 
> > > And frankly, it's a veritable graveyard.
> 
> >
> 
> > >> Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?
> 
> > > It would have happened by now. I imagine the core Forth community is
> 
> > > of such an age that they are more comfortable with news readers than
> 
> > > pesky web sites!
> 
> >
> 
> > Well... you are underestimating us...  :-)
> 
> >
> 
> > I guess it's more a question of efforts and costs.
> 
> > While a suitable software would be there (there are others of course):http://sourceforge.net/projects/fudforum/
> 
> > somebody has to set up and administer the forum (and database) and keep
> 
> > the server online.
> 
> >
> 
> > I can see only Forth Inc who theoretically "could" see some advertising
> 
> > benefit in it that "could" repay the costs. Or a university. But I doubt
> 
> > it. And hobbywise would be too short living...
> 
> 
> 
> Well, I could do it. I own the domain forthfiles.net and the server
> 
> resources are sat there doing nothing. I could install a PHP forum
> 
> suite in a few minutes.
> 
> 
> 
> I haven't bothered because I doubt very much that many of the 'crowd'
> 
> here on CLF would use it. That ends up potentially diluting an already
> 
> tiny crowd.

do it do it!

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#16001

On Oct 7, 10:31 am, "A. K." <a...@nospam.org> wrote:
> On 07.10.2012 10:06, Mark Wills wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Question:
> >> Is there a decent Forth forum of "sufficient" popularity?
> > No. Not that I'm aware of. Probably the most popular is the CamelForth
> > forum:
> >http://www.camelforth.com/news.php
>
> > And frankly, it's a veritable graveyard.
>
> >> Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?
> > It would have happened by now. I imagine the core Forth community is
> > of such an age that they are more comfortable with news readers than
> > pesky web sites!
>
> Well... you are underestimating us...  :-)
>
> I guess it's more a question of efforts and costs.
> While a suitable software would be there (there are others of course):http://sourceforge.net/projects/fudforum/
> somebody has to set up and administer the forum (and database) and keep
> the server online.
>
> I can see only Forth Inc who theoretically "could" see some advertising
> benefit in it that "could" repay the costs. Or a university. But I doubt
> it. And hobbywise would be too short living...

Well, if you would be willing to administer it, I'll go ahead and
install the forum software.

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#16002

On 07.10.2012 11:51, Mark Wills wrote:
> On Oct 7, 10:31 am, "A. K." <a...@nospam.org> wrote:
>> On 07.10.2012 10:06, Mark Wills wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Question:
>>>> Is there a decent Forth forum of "sufficient" popularity?
>>> No. Not that I'm aware of. Probably the most popular is the CamelForth
>>> forum:
>>> http://www.camelforth.com/news.php
>>
>>> And frankly, it's a veritable graveyard.
>>
>>>> Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?
>>> It would have happened by now. I imagine the core Forth community is
>>> of such an age that they are more comfortable with news readers than
>>> pesky web sites!
>>
>> Well... you are underestimating us...  :-)
>>
>> I guess it's more a question of efforts and costs.
>> While a suitable software would be there (there are others of course):http://sourceforge.net/projects/fudforum/
>> somebody has to set up and administer the forum (and database) and keep
>> the server online.
>>
>> I can see only Forth Inc who theoretically "could" see some advertising
>> benefit in it that "could" repay the costs. Or a university. But I doubt
>> it. And hobbywise would be too short living...
>
> Well, if you would be willing to administer it, I'll go ahead and
> install the forum software.
>

Thanks, but with 1 fulltime job, 2 'kids' in prof education, 2 women (1 
divorce still ongoing) and 3 houses to administer, I am allowed to 
excuse myself.  ;-)

Anyhow there were also discussions about an attractive Forth demo 
application to youngsters. To me it seems a bit futile when Forth is 
invisible in their web-centric communication domains, by smartphones 
tablets etc.

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#16003

On Oct 7, 11:12 am, "A. K." <a...@nospam.org> wrote:
> On 07.10.2012 11:51, Mark Wills wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 10:31 am, "A. K." <a...@nospam.org> wrote:
> >> On 07.10.2012 10:06, Mark Wills wrote:
>
> >>>> Question:
> >>>> Is there a decent Forth forum of "sufficient" popularity?
> >>> No. Not that I'm aware of. Probably the most popular is the CamelForth
> >>> forum:
> >>>http://www.camelforth.com/news.php
>
> >>> And frankly, it's a veritable graveyard.
>
> >>>> Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?
> >>> It would have happened by now. I imagine the core Forth community is
> >>> of such an age that they are more comfortable with news readers than
> >>> pesky web sites!
>
> >> Well... you are underestimating us...  :-)
>
> >> I guess it's more a question of efforts and costs.
> >> While a suitable software would be there (there are others of course):http://sourceforge.net/projects/fudforum/
> >> somebody has to set up and administer the forum (and database) and keep
> >> the server online.
>
> >> I can see only Forth Inc who theoretically "could" see some advertising
> >> benefit in it that "could" repay the costs. Or a university. But I doubt
> >> it. And hobbywise would be too short living...
>
> > Well, if you would be willing to administer it, I'll go ahead and
> > install the forum software.
>
> Thanks, but with 1 fulltime job, 2 'kids' in prof education, 2 women (1
> divorce still ongoing) and 3 houses to administer, I am allowed to
> excuse myself.  ;-)
>
> Anyhow there were also discussions about an attractive Forth demo
> application to youngsters. To me it seems a bit futile when Forth is
> invisible in their web-centric communication domains, by smartphones
> tablets etc.

Well, I just set up a forum:

http://forthfiles.net/forum

We'll see who uses it, though I'm not holding my breath!

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#16005

On 07.10.2012 12:37, Mark Wills wrote:
>
> Well, I just set up a forum:
>
> http://forthfiles.net/forum
>
> We'll see who uses it, though I'm not holding my breath!
>

It works! My first posting was:

---
Thanks for opening this forum!

Would it be possible to synch between phpBB and Usenet?
http://phpbb.weblite.ca/
---

If yes we could have both worlds. Usenet for Grampies and Grannies, and 
a browser accessible forum for those young at heart and leg.  ;-)

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#16007

On Oct 7, 12:05 pm, "A. K." <a...@nospam.org> wrote:
> On 07.10.2012 12:37, Mark Wills wrote:
>
>
>
> > Well, I just set up a forum:
>
> >http://forthfiles.net/forum
>
> > We'll see who uses it, though I'm not holding my breath!
>
> It works! My first posting was:
>
> ---
> Thanks for opening this forum!
>
> Would it be possible to synch between phpBB and Usenet?http://phpbb.weblite.ca/
> ---
>
> If yes we could have both worlds. Usenet for Grampies and Grannies, and
> a browser accessible forum for those young at heart and leg.  ;-)

Wow. That's nice! Unfortunately I don't think I can use it. Exahost
use windows servers - no CRON - as far as I know. Don't know much
about all that stuff!

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#16008

On 07.10.2012 13:52, Mark Wills wrote:
> On Oct 7, 12:05 pm, "A. K." <a...@nospam.org> wrote:
>> On 07.10.2012 12:37, Mark Wills wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Well, I just set up a forum:
>>
>>> http://forthfiles.net/forum
>>
>>> We'll see who uses it, though I'm not holding my breath!
>>
>> It works! My first posting was:
>>
>> ---
>> Thanks for opening this forum!
>>
>> Would it be possible to synch between phpBB and Usenet?http://phpbb.weblite.ca/
>> ---
>>
>> If yes we could have both worlds. Usenet for Grampies and Grannies, and
>> a browser accessible forum for those young at heart and leg.  ;-)
>
> Wow. That's nice! Unfortunately I don't think I can use it. Exahost
> use windows servers - no CRON - as far as I know. Don't know much
> about all that stuff!
>

I found this:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=602913

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#16012

A. K. wrote:
> On 07.10.2012 12:37, Mark Wills wrote:
>>
>> Well, I just set up a forum:
>>
>> http://forthfiles.net/forum
>>
>> We'll see who uses it, though I'm not holding my breath!
>>
>
> It works! My first posting was:
>
> ---
> Thanks for opening this forum!
>
> Would it be possible to synch between phpBB and Usenet?
> http://phpbb.weblite.ca/
> ---
>
> If yes we could have both worlds. Usenet for Grampies and
> Grannies, and a browser accessible forum for those young at
> heart and leg.  ;-)

Yes it even works for those "of such an age that they are 
more comfortable with news readers than
pesky web sites" and those using walker/canes ;

My personal preference would be for a medium which would do 
for Usenet groups what gmane.org does for mailing lists. It 
might avoid splitting a relatively small audience on basis 
of preferred means of interaction.

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#16011

"A. K." <akk@nospam.org> writes:
> Anyhow there were also discussions about an attractive Forth demo
> application to youngsters. To me it seems a bit futile when Forth is
> invisible in their web-centric communication domains, by smartphones
> tablets etc.

There is http://forthfreak.net/jsforth80x25.html

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#16014

On 07.10.2012 16:51, Paul Rubin wrote:
> "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> writes:
>> Anyhow there were also discussions about an attractive Forth demo
>> application to youngsters. To me it seems a bit futile when Forth is
>> invisible in their web-centric communication domains, by smartphones
>> tablets etc.
>
> There is http://forthfreak.net/jsforth80x25.html
>

Sorry for making myself not clear enough.

The freaknet page is just a top-level interpreter display.

It has no social or communicative element whatsoever to exchange ideas 
or asking a community - or, not unimportant, having fun.

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#16000

A. K. wrote:

> I am accessing this group with Thunderbird, but have to move to Outlook
> which does not have a newsreader. A browser accessible Forth Forum would
> be easier and probably attract more participants (Usenet is dwindling
> after all). Google groups is very unpractical.
> 
> Question:
> Is there a decent Forth forum of "sufficient" popularity?
> Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?

I was under the impression that Outlook has supported newsgroup reading. I 
will have a look when I get back to my work-desk.

As for web-accessible groups, there is a discussion forum on LinkedIn for 
Forth. Not very active at present but has some good information and would 
suit the professional Forther.

If you would feel comfortable and would prefer to change OS then Kontact, 
which is part of the KDE desktop works very well for me. KDE runs on most 
Linux distributions. That is always assuming you would be allowed to change. 
If it is your employers mandating what software you use, then I guess you 
have little choice. When it behaves, the Google Groups access to this 
newsgroup might be OK but it doesn't always work properly.

-- 
********************************************************************
Paul E. Bennett...............<email://Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk>
Forth based HIDECS Consultancy
Mob: +44 (0)7811-639972
Tel: +44 (0)1235-510979
Going Forth Safely ..... EBA. www.electric-boat-association.org.uk..
********************************************************************

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#16017

On 10/6/12 11:48 PM, Paul E. Bennett wrote:
> A. K. wrote:
>
>> I am accessing this group with Thunderbird, but have to move to Outlook
>> which does not have a newsreader. A browser accessible Forth Forum would
>> be easier and probably attract more participants (Usenet is dwindling
>> after all). Google groups is very unpractical.
>>
>> Question:
>> Is there a decent Forth forum of "sufficient" popularity?
>> Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?
>
> I was under the impression that Outlook has supported newsgroup reading. I
> will have a look when I get back to my work-desk.

I certainly used Outlook for c.l.f before I switched to Thunderbird. I 
suspect your problem may be your ISP doesn't support Usenet (many 
don't). There are inexpensive paid services that will provide it -- I 
use Supernews www.supernews.com, but there are others.

Cheers,
Elizabeth

-- 
==================================================
Elizabeth D. Rather   (US & Canada)   800-55-FORTH
FORTH Inc.                         +1 310.999.6784
5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700
Los Angeles, CA 90045
http://www.forth.com

"Forth-based products and Services for real-time
applications since 1973."
==================================================

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#16009

> Question:
> 
> Is there a decent Forth forum of "sufficient" popularity?
> 
> Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?

Hello. You may take a look on www.fforum.winglion.ru , it is an active Forth forum for russian forthers. English part is exist, and many russian forthers can understand english quite well. At this monent, no guests and no automatic registration. Also, there are only 2 of approx. 1900 topics are in English.

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#16074

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 7:35:50 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
> Hello. You may take a look 
> on www.fforum.winglion.ru , 
> it is an active Forth forum 
> for russian forthers. [...]

In the past I found it impossible 
to get an account there, because of 
some problem with the captcha system. 
It required the user to enter something 
in Russian, and I do speak Russian, 
but I was not able to figure out the 
answer to the question posed there. 

Anyway, would you or somebody else there 
be willing to make a post to the effect 
that my artificial intelligence program 

http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/mindforth.txt 

now has a Russian-language version at 

http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/Dushka.html 

in JavaScript for Microsoft Internet Explorer? 
I would certainly like to code the same Russian 
AI in Win32Forth or Intel iForth, but I do not 
know how to create the Russian Cyrillic characters 
in Win32Forth or in iForth.

Cheers,

Arthur
-- 
http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/Dushka.html 
http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/RuAiUser.html 

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#16134

> 
> In the past I found it impossible 
> 
> to get an account there, because of 
> 
> some problem with the captcha system. 
> 
> It required the user to enter something 
> 
> in Russian, and I do speak Russian, 
> 
> but I was not able to figure out the 
> 
> answer to the question posed there. 
> 

If you send me a mail with desired login and temporary password, I can register you, and you will be able to change your password later. I can do the same for anyone else. Registering 'trouble' is a part of antispam/antibot politics... and it works!...

Ilya Tarasov

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#16010

"A. K." <akk@nospam.org> writes:
> Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?

Those of us who are still here on Usenet, are probably here because we
prefer Usenet to web forums.

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