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  Re: Please rescue Julian Noble's book Scientific Forth from being lost JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-10 00:56 -0800
    Re: Please rescue Julian Noble's book Scientific Forth from being lost NN <november.nihal@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 03:18 -0800
      Re: Please rescue Julian Noble's book Scientific Forth from being lost JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-10 09:24 -0800
        Re: Please rescue Julian Noble's book Scientific Forth from being lost Charles Montgomery <cgm@physics.utoledo.edu> - 2017-03-10 20:17 -0500
    Re: Please rescue Julian Noble's book Scientific Forth from being lost Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 11:28 -0800
      Re: Please rescue Julian Noble's book Scientific Forth from being lost JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-11 11:28 -0800
        Re: Please rescue Julian Noble's book Scientific Forth from being lost mhx@iae.nl - 2017-03-12 04:07 -0700
          Re: Please rescue Julian Noble's book Scientific Forth from being lost JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-12 05:24 -0700
          Re: Please rescue Julian Noble's book Scientific Forth from being lost JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-03-12 05:25 -0700

#55586 — Re: Please rescue Julian Noble's book Scientific Forth from being lost

On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 at 4:42:03 AM UTC, jg wrote:
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:44:35 PM UTC-8, jg wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:37:03 AM UTC-8, Paul E Bennett wrote:
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> > > > The late Julian Noble was a very fine mind, and his article on
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> > > > implementing FSMs in Forth was a gem. Please, everyone in this group,
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> > > > organize an effort to locate a copy of his book, Scientific Forth, and do
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> > > > to it what was previously done to Thinking Forth; ie, digitize it and put
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> > > > it online, lest it be lost to obscurity.
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> > > I have received an email from Josef Gabriel who asked me to place this on 
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> > > > Hi Paul,
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> > > > I have tried to post to the "Please rescue Julian Noble's book Scientific
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> > > > Forth from being lost," but google has rejected each post.
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> > > > I bought a "Scientific Forth" copy to scan. I am currently working with
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> > > > Paper Upgrade Project, http://www.paperupgrade.org/, to scan the book. 
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> > > > In regards to rights, I have tried contacting the listed book publisher,
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> > > > Mechum Banks Publishing, with no luck. I think I have located Julian's
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> > > > widow, Harriet. I think we may get a better reception from her if someone
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> > > > who has contacted her before now contacts her. I'd would like to 
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> > > > nominate C.G. Montgomery because cgm worked with Harriet to secure 
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> > > > Please pass this message on to clf. Please inform me if you chose not to
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> > > > Josef Gabriel (jg)
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> > > Paul E. Bennett IEng MIET.....<email://Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk>
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> > > Forth based HIDECS Consultancy.............<http://www.hidecs.co.uk>
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> > > Mob: +44 (0)7811-639972
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> > > Tel: +44 (0)1235-510979
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> > > Going Forth Safely ..... EBA. www.electric-boat-association.org.uk..
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> > I handed the book is currently be scanned by the Paper Upgrade Project. I'm hoping for the best. The left hand pages are a bit too close to the binding, so the binding might have to be sacrificed :(
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> > The search for Julian's widow, Harriet, continues. I am hoping to hear something by the end of the month. I just realized his children maybe easier to find... a last resort.
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> > Thinking Forth is hosted at SourceForge. I don't see the FSL as a repository on Github. That might be nice to have an FSL repository packaged with Scientific Forth. 
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> > jg
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> I think Julian's wife has been found. I am waiting on a confirmation.
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> I have received a test scan from the Paper Upgrade Project. The pdfs look great. Google Docs does a decent job with OCR'ing the pdfs, which will save time. This will be easier than transcribing "Thinking Forth." I will have the rest of the book scanned.
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> To wait or not to wait for the copyrights, that is the question.

Is it possible to get the contact details for Julian's wife, and/or  who was in contact with her then?? His  Forth tutorial would be a great addition to the Forth Bookshelf if she would agree to have it published, if she agrees to the copyright transfer just for the eBook publication

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#55591

Hi Juergen, 

I dont know if you are aware of the page : https://github.com/Josefg/Scientific_FORTH

There is a consent letter there. 

NN

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#55598

On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 11:18:17 AM UTC, NN wrote:
> Hi Juergen, 
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> I dont know if you are aware of the page : https://github.com/Josefg/Scientific_FORTH
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> There is a consent letter there. 
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> NN

Thanks for the quick feedback, I was not clear enough, I am after the ok for the Tutorial  at http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/551.jvn.fall01/primer.htm , not the Scientific_Forth yet.

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#55612

JUERGEN wrote:

> On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 11:18:17 AM UTC, NN wrote:
>> Hi Juergen,
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>> I dont know if you are aware of the page :
>> https://github.com/Josefg/Scientific_FORTH
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>> There is a consent letter there.
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>> NN
> 
> Thanks for the quick feedback, I was not clear enough, I am after the ok
> for the Tutorial  at
> http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/551.jvn.fall01/primer.htm , not
> the Scientific_Forth yet.

There is an archive of the material from Julian Noble's web pages at the 
University of Virginia provided by the Forth Scientific Library.
In particular, see https://www.taygeta.com/fsl/docs/NobleArchive.html

regards   cgm

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#55604

JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
> Is it possible to get the contact details for Julian's wife, and/or
> who was in contact with her then?? His Forth tutorial would be a great
> addition to the Forth Bookshelf if she would agree to have it
> published, if she agrees to the copyright transfer just for the eBook
> publication

Given that there's already a public html version, I'd oppose such a
transfer if it prevents the release of a regular pdf version like the
ones available for Starting Forth and Thinking Forth.  A restricted
Amazon version is better than nothing, but worse than an unrestricted
pdf.

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#55633

On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 7:29:00 PM UTC, Paul Rubin wrote:
> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
> > Is it possible to get the contact details for Julian's wife, and/or
> > who was in contact with her then?? His Forth tutorial would be a great
> > addition to the Forth Bookshelf if she would agree to have it
> > published, if she agrees to the copyright transfer just for the eBook
> > publication
> 
> Given that there's already a public html version, I'd oppose such a
> transfer if it prevents the release of a regular pdf version like the
> ones available for Starting Forth and Thinking Forth.  A restricted
> Amazon version is better than nothing, but worse than an unrestricted
> pdf.

actually I generated and made a PDF version of Starting Forth available with Leon's ok for copyright 5 years ago I think at http://www.exemark.com/FORTH/StartingFORTHfromForthWebsitev9_2013_12_24.pdf , and the link to Forth, Inc. next to it. People are different and some still like to read it on their screens as eBook - and again with Leon's ok - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Starting-Forth-Leo-Brodie-ebook/dp/B01MS7YDKD/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

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#55689

On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 8:28:08 PM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 7:29:00 PM UTC, Paul Rubin wrote:
> > JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
> > > Is it possible to get the contact details for Julian's wife, and/or
> > > who was in contact with her then?? His Forth tutorial would be a great
> > > addition to the Forth Bookshelf if she would agree to have it
> > > published, if she agrees to the copyright transfer just for the eBook
> > > publication
> > 
> > Given that there's already a public html version, I'd oppose such a
> > transfer if it prevents the release of a regular pdf version like the
> > ones available for Starting Forth and Thinking Forth.  A restricted
> > Amazon version is better than nothing, but worse than an unrestricted
> > pdf.
> 
> actually I generated and made a PDF version of Starting Forth 
> available with Leon's ok for copyright 5 years ago I think at
> http://www.exemark.com/FORTH/StartingFORTHfromForthWebsitev9_2013_12_24.pdf,
> and the link to Forth, Inc. next to it. People are different and some still
> like to read it on their screens as eBook - and again with Leon's ok -
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Starting-Forth-Leo-Brodie-ebook/dp/B01MS7YDKD/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

I don't remember having given permission for commercial
purposes that involve protection schemes. If the for-money
version is based on the web version, my part shall be open
without limitations whatsoever. 

-marcel

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#55694

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 11:07:09 AM UTC, m...@iae.nl wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 8:28:08 PM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
> > On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 7:29:00 PM UTC, Paul Rubin wrote:
> > > JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
> > > > Is it possible to get the contact details for Julian's wife, and/or
> > > > who was in contact with her then?? His Forth tutorial would be a great
> > > > addition to the Forth Bookshelf if she would agree to have it
> > > > published, if she agrees to the copyright transfer just for the eBook
> > > > publication
> > > 
> > > Given that there's already a public html version, I'd oppose such a
> > > transfer if it prevents the release of a regular pdf version like the
> > > ones available for Starting Forth and Thinking Forth.  A restricted
> > > Amazon version is better than nothing, but worse than an unrestricted
> > > pdf.
> > 
> > actually I generated and made a PDF version of Starting Forth 
> > available with Leon's ok for copyright 5 years ago I think at
> > http://www.exemark.com/FORTH/StartingFORTHfromForthWebsitev9_2013_12_24.pdf,
> > and the link to Forth, Inc. next to it. People are different and some still
> > like to read it on their screens as eBook - and again with Leon's ok -
> > https://www.amazon.co.uk/Starting-Forth-Leo-Brodie-ebook/dp/B01MS7YDKD/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
> 
> I don't remember having given permission for commercial
> purposes that involve protection schemes. If the for-money
> version is based on the web version, my part shall be open
> without limitations whatsoever. 
> 
> -marcel

Sorry for my bad understanding of English, Marcel - but please explain what you mean. Did you check what I did/published or are you just assuming? I went to the copyright owner FORTH,Inc. and used their website documentation. You can read the approval in the eBook and in the PDF I generated. I do not think I need your approval of a book that you did not write and do not own the copyright of. FORTH,INC. who paid Leo to write the book and own the copyright approved what I did.

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#55695

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 11:07:09 AM UTC, m...@iae.nl wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 8:28:08 PM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
> > On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 7:29:00 PM UTC, Paul Rubin wrote:
> > > JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
> > > > Is it possible to get the contact details for Julian's wife, and/or
> > > > who was in contact with her then?? His Forth tutorial would be a great
> > > > addition to the Forth Bookshelf if she would agree to have it
> > > > published, if she agrees to the copyright transfer just for the eBook
> > > > publication
> > > 
> > > Given that there's already a public html version, I'd oppose such a
> > > transfer if it prevents the release of a regular pdf version like the
> > > ones available for Starting Forth and Thinking Forth.  A restricted
> > > Amazon version is better than nothing, but worse than an unrestricted
> > > pdf.
> > 
> > actually I generated and made a PDF version of Starting Forth 
> > available with Leon's ok for copyright 5 years ago I think at
> > http://www.exemark.com/FORTH/StartingFORTHfromForthWebsitev9_2013_12_24.pdf,
> > and the link to Forth, Inc. next to it. People are different and some still
> > like to read it on their screens as eBook - and again with Leon's ok -
> > https://www.amazon.co.uk/Starting-Forth-Leo-Brodie-ebook/dp/B01MS7YDKD/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
> 
> I don't remember having given permission for commercial
> purposes that involve protection schemes. If the for-money
> version is based on the web version, my part shall be open
> without limitations whatsoever. 
> 
> -marcel

If there is any possible issue it is between you and Leon.

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