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  Re: Novix NB4300 JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2016-09-03 06:36 -0700
    Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-03 11:21 -0500
      Re: Novix NB4300 JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2016-09-03 23:28 -0700
        Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-04 10:54 -0500
          Re: Novix NB4300 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 14:02 -0400
            Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-04 13:34 -0500
            Re: Novix NB4300 JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2016-09-05 01:24 -0700
              Re: Novix NB4300 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 07:06 -0400
                Re: Novix NB4300 JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2016-09-05 08:17 -0700
                  Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-05 11:34 -0500
                    Re: Novix NB4300 JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2016-09-05 11:24 -0700
                      Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-05 13:42 -0500
                        Re: Novix NB4300 albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-06 11:50 +0200
                          Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-06 08:22 -0500
                            Re: Novix NB4300 albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-06 21:05 +0200
                              Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-06 14:31 -0500
                            Re: Novix NB4300 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-06 14:43 -0700
                              Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-06 17:00 -0500
                                Re: Novix NB4300 Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 02:43 -0700
                                  Re: Novix NB4300 albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-07 14:22 +0200
                              Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-08 00:40 -0500
                                Re: Novix NB4300 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-07 23:12 -0700
                                  Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-08 09:10 -0500
                                    Re: Novix NB4300 albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-09 14:45 +0200
                                      Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-09 10:45 -0500
                                        Re: Novix NB4300 albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-10 10:01 +0200
                                          Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-10 11:01 -0500
                                          Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-10 12:11 -0500
                                            Re: Novix NB4300 Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 10:32 -0700
                Re: Novix NB4300 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 12:00 -0400
                  Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-08 11:11 -0500
                    Re: Novix NB4300 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 13:20 -0400
                      Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-08 12:40 -0500
                        Re: Novix NB4300 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 14:14 -0400
                  Re: Novix NB4300 albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-08 20:22 +0200
                    Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-08 14:13 -0500
                      Re: Novix NB4300 albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-09-09 00:35 +0200
                        Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-08 17:31 -0500
      Re: Novix NB4300 Syd Rumpo <usenet@nononono.co.uk> - 2016-09-04 23:27 +0100
      Re: Novix NB4300 Syd Rumpo <usenet@nononono.co.uk> - 2016-09-04 23:47 +0100
        Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-04 18:02 -0500
        Re: Novix NB4300 jim.brakefield@ieee.org - 2016-09-04 16:19 -0700
          Re: Novix NB4300 Syd Rumpo <usenet@nononono.co.uk> - 2016-09-05 00:25 +0100
          Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-04 18:51 -0500
            Re: Novix NB4300 jim.brakefield@ieee.org - 2016-09-04 17:30 -0700
              Re: Novix NB4300 Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-09-04 19:48 -0500
                Re: Novix NB4300 jim.brakefield@ieee.org - 2016-09-04 20:22 -0700
          Re: Novix NB4300 Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-09-05 08:14 +0200

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#50637 — Re: Novix NB4300

On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 at 4:19:04 PM UTC, Syd Rumpo wrote:
> On 04/11/2014 14:30, Syd Rumpo wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> >>
> > I have copies of the three 'Electronics and Wireless World' Novix
> > articles from early 1987, one of which describes the NX4 board which was
> > available from Computer Solutions.
> >
> > It's not an STD board, but if they're of any use, I could scan them.
> 
> I did anyway, they're quite interesting.
> 
> http://dropcanvas.com/gna1p
> 
> Cheers
> -- 
> Syd

Syd,

I just tried to find the documentation you scanned, 
it seems the link does not work. 
Can you email it to epldfpga@aol.com ?   
If it is big then please 10MB max per email. Thanks

I just received 2 different CDP1802s in 2 FPGAs, have to connect them to see the serial response and then get a Forth onto it, so had to have a look at the Footsteps I have on loan from Paul Bennett.

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#50642

On 9/3/2016 8:36 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 at 4:19:04 PM UTC, Syd Rumpo wrote:
>> On 04/11/2014 14:30, Syd Rumpo wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>>
>>> I have copies of the three 'Electronics and Wireless World' Novix
>>> articles from early 1987, one of which describes the NX4 board which was
>>> available from Computer Solutions.
>>>
>>> It's not an STD board, but if they're of any use, I could scan them.
>>
>> I did anyway, they're quite interesting.
>>
>> http://dropcanvas.com/gna1p
>>
>> Cheers
>> --
>> Syd
>
> Syd,
>
> I just tried to find the documentation you scanned,
> it seems the link does not work.
> Can you email it to epldfpga@aol.com ?
> If it is big then please 10MB max per email. Thanks
>
> I just received 2 different CDP1802s in 2 FPGAs, have to connect them to see the serial response and then get a Forth onto it, so had to have a look at the Footsteps I have on loan from Paul Bennett.
>
This is a very old article and I hope there is a response.

I would also be interested in a copy of the articles, the more 
information the better when trying to implement a FPGA version of the 
CPU, right now I have little information.

Thanks
-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#50649

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 5:21:07 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
> On 9/3/2016 8:36 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 at 4:19:04 PM UTC, Syd Rumpo wrote:
> >> On 04/11/2014 14:30, Syd Rumpo wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>>>
> >>> I have copies of the three 'Electronics and Wireless World' Novix
> >>> articles from early 1987, one of which describes the NX4 board which was
> >>> available from Computer Solutions.
> >>>
> >>> It's not an STD board, but if they're of any use, I could scan them.
> >>
> >> I did anyway, they're quite interesting.
> >>
> >> http://dropcanvas.com/gna1p
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> --
> >> Syd
> >
> > Syd,
> >
> > I just tried to find the documentation you scanned,
> > it seems the link does not work.
> > Can you email it to epldfpga@aol.com ?
> > If it is big then please 10MB max per email. Thanks
> >
> > I just received 2 different CDP1802s in 2 FPGAs, have to connect them to see the serial response and then get a Forth onto it, so had to have a look at the Footsteps I have on loan from Paul Bennett.
> >
> This is a very old article and I hope there is a response.
> 
> I would also be interested in a copy of the articles, the more 
> information the better when trying to implement a FPGA version of the 
> CPU, right now I have little information.
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
> Cecil - k5nwa

The J1  might be a good starting point and the Verilog is available https://github.com/samawati/j1eforth

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#50657

On 9/4/2016 1:28 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 5:21:07 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>> On 9/3/2016 8:36 AM, JUERGEN wrote:

>> This is a very old article and I hope there is a response.
>>
>> I would also be interested in a copy of the articles, the more
>> information the better when trying to implement a FPGA version of the
>> CPU, right now I have little information.
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Cecil - k5nwa
>
> The J1  might be a good starting point and the Verilog is available https://github.com/samawati/j1eforth
>
Are you sure they are similar? I have a little documentation on the 
Novix CPU and of the J1 and their architecture seem to be quite 
different, but then I'm going by memory, not the most reliable thing. 
I'll look into it as time permits.
-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#50659

On 9/4/2016 11:54 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>
> On 9/4/2016 1:28 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 5:21:07 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>>> On 9/3/2016 8:36 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>
>>> This is a very old article and I hope there is a response.
>>>
>>> I would also be interested in a copy of the articles, the more
>>> information the better when trying to implement a FPGA version of the
>>> CPU, right now I have little information.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> --
>>> Cecil - k5nwa
>>
>> The J1  might be a good starting point and the Verilog is available
>> https://github.com/samawati/j1eforth
>>
> Are you sure they are similar? I have a little documentation on the
> Novix CPU and of the J1 and their architecture seem to be quite
> different, but then I'm going by memory, not the most reliable thing.
> I'll look into it as time permits.

No, aside from using stacks, they are not so similar.  I must have 
missed the original post where you talked about wanting to work with the 
Novix devices.  What exactly is your interest and what do you have to 
work with so far?

-- 

Rick C

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#50662

On 9/4/2016 1:02 PM, rickman wrote:
> On 9/4/2016 11:54 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>
>> On 9/4/2016 1:28 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 5:21:07 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>>>> On 9/3/2016 8:36 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>
>>>> This is a very old article and I hope there is a response.
>>>>
>>>> I would also be interested in a copy of the articles, the more
>>>> information the better when trying to implement a FPGA version of the
>>>> CPU, right now I have little information.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> --
>>>> Cecil - k5nwa
>>>
>>> The J1  might be a good starting point and the Verilog is available
>>> https://github.com/samawati/j1eforth
>>>
>> Are you sure they are similar? I have a little documentation on the
>> Novix CPU and of the J1 and their architecture seem to be quite
>> different, but then I'm going by memory, not the most reliable thing.
>> I'll look into it as time permits.
>
> No, aside from using stacks, they are not so similar.  I must have
> missed the original post where you talked about wanting to work with the
> Novix devices.  What exactly is your interest and what do you have to
> work with so far?
>
It just an interesting CPU with history to it, I believe it's the 1st 
Forth CPU, it led to the RTX-2000 which is still out in space exploring. 
I have Philip Koopman's "Stack Computers the New Wave", it has a chapter 
dedicated to the Novix  NC1416.
< 
https://www.amazon.com/Stack-Computers-Wave-Philip-Koopman-ebook/dp/B00D96U606 
  > there are free versions available but this one is a cleaned up 
version from the source and not a scan of the  book. It has a lot of 
information on this and several other Stack CPUs, but more information 
is better in the long run, and this information is disappearing at an 
alarming rate so anything of possible interest, I'm hoarding the 
information before it disappears. I have a Forth folder with software 
and documentation that is 46GB of old stuff that is hard to find, one 
day I might post it on www.Forthlang.org.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#50687

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 7:02:12 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> On 9/4/2016 11:54 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> >
> > On 9/4/2016 1:28 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> >> On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 5:21:07 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
> >>> On 9/3/2016 8:36 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> >
> >>> This is a very old article and I hope there is a response.
> >>>
> >>> I would also be interested in a copy of the articles, the more
> >>> information the better when trying to implement a FPGA version of the
> >>> CPU, right now I have little information.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> --
> >>> Cecil - k5nwa
> >>
> >> The J1  might be a good starting point and the Verilog is available
> >> https://github.com/samawati/j1eforth
> >>
> > Are you sure they are similar? I have a little documentation on the
> > Novix CPU and of the J1 and their architecture seem to be quite
> > different, but then I'm going by memory, not the most reliable thing.
> > I'll look into it as time permits.
> 
> No, aside from using stacks, they are not so similar.  I must have 
> missed the original post where you talked about wanting to work with the 
> Novix devices.  What exactly is your interest and what do you have to 
> work with so far?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

I assume J1 is the closest as a starting point. The J1 Verilog could be used as starting point I assume. If not, one has to start from scratch. 
One other source of info is C.H. Ting [1987]. “Footsteps in an Empty Valley”, 1987, Offete, Enterprises, San Mateo, California.

My interest is to see it running again in FPGA. I just received 2 different implementations of the CDP1802 in Lattice DevBoards which somebody kindly flashed for me, and the is the one James Bowman did as well. The same I would like to see for Novix and other Forth processors. No commercial interest. Forth information is disappearing so quickly, so I might do another eBook - Forth Processors - next year

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#50694

On 9/5/2016 4:24 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 7:02:12 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>> On 9/4/2016 11:54 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>>
>>> On 9/4/2016 1:28 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 5:21:07 PM UTC+1, Cecil -
>>>> k5nwa wrote:
>>>>> On 9/3/2016 8:36 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>
>>>>> This is a very old article and I hope there is a response.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also be interested in a copy of the articles, the
>>>>> more information the better when trying to implement a FPGA
>>>>> version of the CPU, right now I have little information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks -- Cecil - k5nwa
>>>>
>>>> The J1  might be a good starting point and the Verilog is
>>>> available https://github.com/samawati/j1eforth
>>>>
>>> Are you sure they are similar? I have a little documentation on
>>> the Novix CPU and of the J1 and their architecture seem to be
>>> quite different, but then I'm going by memory, not the most
>>> reliable thing. I'll look into it as time permits.
>>
>> No, aside from using stacks, they are not so similar.  I must have
>>  missed the original post where you talked about wanting to work
>> with the Novix devices.  What exactly is your interest and what do
>> you have to work with so far?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rick C
>
> I assume J1 is the closest as a starting point. The J1 Verilog could
> be used as starting point I assume. If not, one has to start from
> scratch. One other source of info is C.H. Ting [1987]. “Footsteps in
> an Empty Valley”, 1987, Offete, Enterprises, San Mateo, California.

I'm not sure how the code for a simple stack machine would help you much 
for coding up a totally different stack machine.  The code is not hard 
to write.  What is hard is understanding what the CPU is supposed to do. 
  If you have a full spec on the instructions of the NOVIX as well as a 
full register specification, it should be an easy thing to figure out 
the register transfer operations required to implement the instructions. 
  The coding of this would then be very straight forward.  Figuring out 
optimizations to make it run faster or fastest would be harder.


> My interest is to see it running again in FPGA. I just received 2
> different implementations of the CDP1802 in Lattice DevBoards which
> somebody kindly flashed for me, and the is the one James Bowman did
> as well. The same I would like to see for Novix and other Forth
> processors. No commercial interest. Forth information is disappearing
> so quickly, so I might do another eBook - Forth Processors - next
> year

If someone did the leg work and provided a complete spec of the Novix 
adequate to do the design without a lot of guesswork, I would be willing 
to code the thing.  It would be in VHDL though.  Or I might be willing 
to do it in Verilog as getting proficient in Verilog is one of my long 
term goals.  I believe it was Bernd Paysan who insisted that once you 
try Verilog you will never go back to VHDL.  I'm happy with VHDL but if 
Verilog is Nirvana, I guess I should get on board.

-- 

Rick C

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#50695

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 12:06:37 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> On 9/5/2016 4:24 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 7:02:12 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> >> On 9/4/2016 11:54 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 9/4/2016 1:28 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 5:21:07 PM UTC+1, Cecil -
> >>>> k5nwa wrote:
> >>>>> On 9/3/2016 8:36 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> This is a very old article and I hope there is a response.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would also be interested in a copy of the articles, the
> >>>>> more information the better when trying to implement a FPGA
> >>>>> version of the CPU, right now I have little information.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks -- Cecil - k5nwa
> >>>>
> >>>> The J1  might be a good starting point and the Verilog is
> >>>> available https://github.com/samawati/j1eforth
> >>>>
> >>> Are you sure they are similar? I have a little documentation on
> >>> the Novix CPU and of the J1 and their architecture seem to be
> >>> quite different, but then I'm going by memory, not the most
> >>> reliable thing. I'll look into it as time permits.
> >>
> >> No, aside from using stacks, they are not so similar.  I must have
> >>  missed the original post where you talked about wanting to work
> >> with the Novix devices.  What exactly is your interest and what do
> >> you have to work with so far?
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Rick C
> >
> > I assume J1 is the closest as a starting point. The J1 Verilog could
> > be used as starting point I assume. If not, one has to start from
> > scratch. One other source of info is C.H. Ting [1987]. “Footsteps in
> > an Empty Valley”, 1987, Offete, Enterprises, San Mateo, California.
> 
> I'm not sure how the code for a simple stack machine would help you much 
> for coding up a totally different stack machine.  The code is not hard 
> to write.  What is hard is understanding what the CPU is supposed to do. 
>   If you have a full spec on the instructions of the NOVIX as well as a 
> full register specification, it should be an easy thing to figure out 
> the register transfer operations required to implement the instructions. 
>   The coding of this would then be very straight forward.  Figuring out 
> optimizations to make it run faster or fastest would be harder.
> 
> 
> > My interest is to see it running again in FPGA. I just received 2
> > different implementations of the CDP1802 in Lattice DevBoards which
> > somebody kindly flashed for me, and the is the one James Bowman did
> > as well. The same I would like to see for Novix and other Forth
> > processors. No commercial interest. Forth information is disappearing
> > so quickly, so I might do another eBook - Forth Processors - next
> > year
> 
> If someone did the leg work and provided a complete spec of the Novix 
> adequate to do the design without a lot of guesswork, I would be willing 
> to code the thing.  It would be in VHDL though.  Or I might be willing 
> to do it in Verilog as getting proficient in Verilog is one of my long 
> term goals.  I believe it was Bernd Paysan who insisted that once you 
> try Verilog you will never go back to VHDL.  I'm happy with VHDL but if 
> Verilog is Nirvana, I guess I should get on board.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

VHDL is fine, the synthesis tool does not care. Footsteps in an empty valley is probably the best starting point - but I assume there are enough people here who might have additional information. We just have to wait a bit. With the 1802 in my hand - Novix will be next and then RTX which seemed to be the next step when Intersil took over. 
I would suggest a two step approach: get started an see what comes out - and then start to improve if the interest is there. As there is no target speed it will be as fast as it gets in the first steps. And there were the articles here - English and Swedish. 

And as there is a complete set in the Netherlands - would it be possible to get the documentation on loan to check and copy what helps?

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#50696

On 9/5/2016 10:17 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 12:06:37 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>> On 9/5/2016 4:24 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 7:02:12 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>>>> On 9/4/2016 11:54 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/4/2016 1:28 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 5:21:07 PM UTC+1, Cecil -
>>>>>> k5nwa wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/3/2016 8:36 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a very old article and I hope there is a response.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would also be interested in a copy of the articles, the
>>>>>>> more information the better when trying to implement a FPGA
>>>>>>> version of the CPU, right now I have little information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks -- Cecil - k5nwa
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The J1  might be a good starting point and the Verilog is
>>>>>> available https://github.com/samawati/j1eforth
>>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure they are similar? I have a little documentation on
>>>>> the Novix CPU and of the J1 and their architecture seem to be
>>>>> quite different, but then I'm going by memory, not the most
>>>>> reliable thing. I'll look into it as time permits.
>>>>
>>>> No, aside from using stacks, they are not so similar.  I must have
>>>>  missed the original post where you talked about wanting to work
>>>> with the Novix devices.  What exactly is your interest and what do
>>>> you have to work with so far?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Rick C
>>>
>>> I assume J1 is the closest as a starting point. The J1 Verilog could
>>> be used as starting point I assume. If not, one has to start from
>>> scratch. One other source of info is C.H. Ting [1987]. “Footsteps in
>>> an Empty Valley”, 1987, Offete, Enterprises, San Mateo, California.
>>
>> I'm not sure how the code for a simple stack machine would help you much
>> for coding up a totally different stack machine.  The code is not hard
>> to write.  What is hard is understanding what the CPU is supposed to do.
>>   If you have a full spec on the instructions of the NOVIX as well as a
>> full register specification, it should be an easy thing to figure out
>> the register transfer operations required to implement the instructions.
>>   The coding of this would then be very straight forward.  Figuring out
>> optimizations to make it run faster or fastest would be harder.
>>
>>
>>> My interest is to see it running again in FPGA. I just received 2
>>> different implementations of the CDP1802 in Lattice DevBoards which
>>> somebody kindly flashed for me, and the is the one James Bowman did
>>> as well. The same I would like to see for Novix and other Forth
>>> processors. No commercial interest. Forth information is disappearing
>>> so quickly, so I might do another eBook - Forth Processors - next
>>> year
>>
>> If someone did the leg work and provided a complete spec of the Novix
>> adequate to do the design without a lot of guesswork, I would be willing
>> to code the thing.  It would be in VHDL though.  Or I might be willing
>> to do it in Verilog as getting proficient in Verilog is one of my long
>> term goals.  I believe it was Bernd Paysan who insisted that once you
>> try Verilog you will never go back to VHDL.  I'm happy with VHDL but if
>> Verilog is Nirvana, I guess I should get on board.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rick C
>
> VHDL is fine, the synthesis tool does not care. Footsteps in an empty valley is probably the best starting point - but I assume there are enough people here who might have additional information. We just have to wait a bit. With the 1802 in my hand - Novix will be next and then RTX which seemed to be the next step when Intersil took over.
> I would suggest a two step approach: get started an see what comes out - and then start to improve if the interest is there. As there is no target speed it will be as fast as it gets in the first steps. And there were the articles here - English and Swedish.
>
> And as there is a complete set in the Netherlands - would it be possible to get the documentation on loan to check and copy what helps?
>
Phillip Koopmans "Stack Computers: The New Wave" book also has 
information on the Novix CPU.
<  https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/stack_computers/  >
< 
https://www.amazon.com/Stack-Computers-Wave-Philip-Koopman-ebook/dp/B00D96U606/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473093185&sr=8-1&keywords=Stack+Computers%3A+The+New+Wave 
  >

The amazon version is from the source so it looks much better for $.99
-- 
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#50697

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 5:34:22 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
> On 9/5/2016 10:17 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> > On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 12:06:37 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> >> On 9/5/2016 4:24 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 7:02:12 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> >>>> On 9/4/2016 11:54 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9/4/2016 1:28 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 5:21:07 PM UTC+1, Cecil -
> >>>>>> k5nwa wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 9/3/2016 8:36 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is a very old article and I hope there is a response.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would also be interested in a copy of the articles, the
> >>>>>>> more information the better when trying to implement a FPGA
> >>>>>>> version of the CPU, right now I have little information.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks -- Cecil - k5nwa
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The J1  might be a good starting point and the Verilog is
> >>>>>> available https://github.com/samawati/j1eforth
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Are you sure they are similar? I have a little documentation on
> >>>>> the Novix CPU and of the J1 and their architecture seem to be
> >>>>> quite different, but then I'm going by memory, not the most
> >>>>> reliable thing. I'll look into it as time permits.
> >>>>
> >>>> No, aside from using stacks, they are not so similar.  I must have
> >>>>  missed the original post where you talked about wanting to work
> >>>> with the Novix devices.  What exactly is your interest and what do
> >>>> you have to work with so far?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick C
> >>>
> >>> I assume J1 is the closest as a starting point. The J1 Verilog could
> >>> be used as starting point I assume. If not, one has to start from
> >>> scratch. One other source of info is C.H. Ting [1987]. “Footsteps in
> >>> an Empty Valley”, 1987, Offete, Enterprises, San Mateo, California.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure how the code for a simple stack machine would help you much
> >> for coding up a totally different stack machine.  The code is not hard
> >> to write.  What is hard is understanding what the CPU is supposed to do.
> >>   If you have a full spec on the instructions of the NOVIX as well as a
> >> full register specification, it should be an easy thing to figure out
> >> the register transfer operations required to implement the instructions.
> >>   The coding of this would then be very straight forward.  Figuring out
> >> optimizations to make it run faster or fastest would be harder.
> >>
> >>
> >>> My interest is to see it running again in FPGA. I just received 2
> >>> different implementations of the CDP1802 in Lattice DevBoards which
> >>> somebody kindly flashed for me, and the is the one James Bowman did
> >>> as well. The same I would like to see for Novix and other Forth
> >>> processors. No commercial interest. Forth information is disappearing
> >>> so quickly, so I might do another eBook - Forth Processors - next
> >>> year
> >>
> >> If someone did the leg work and provided a complete spec of the Novix
> >> adequate to do the design without a lot of guesswork, I would be willing
> >> to code the thing.  It would be in VHDL though.  Or I might be willing
> >> to do it in Verilog as getting proficient in Verilog is one of my long
> >> term goals.  I believe it was Bernd Paysan who insisted that once you
> >> try Verilog you will never go back to VHDL.  I'm happy with VHDL but if
> >> Verilog is Nirvana, I guess I should get on board.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Rick C
> >
> > VHDL is fine, the synthesis tool does not care. Footsteps in an empty valley is probably the best starting point - but I assume there are enough people here who might have additional information. We just have to wait a bit. With the 1802 in my hand - Novix will be next and then RTX which seemed to be the next step when Intersil took over.
> > I would suggest a two step approach: get started an see what comes out - and then start to improve if the interest is there. As there is no target speed it will be as fast as it gets in the first steps. And there were the articles here - English and Swedish.
> >
> > And as there is a complete set in the Netherlands - would it be possible to get the documentation on loan to check and copy what helps?
> >
> Phillip Koopmans "Stack Computers: The New Wave" book also has 
> information on the Novix CPU.
> <  https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/stack_computers/  >
> < 
> https://www.amazon.com/Stack-Computers-Wave-Philip-Koopman-ebook/dp/B00D96U606/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473093185&sr=8-1&keywords=Stack+Computers%3A+The+New+Wave 
>   >
> 
> The amazon version is from the source so it looks much better for $.99
> -- 
> Cecil - k5nwa

Thanks for this. Copied the relevant chapters out of the HTML and the block diagrams look very much the same. VHDL might go the other way here: to do the RTX  with additional FLASH / RAM as a running system and then comment out what does not exist in the Novix. Or an NOV_RTX as the simpler version Novix with the additional Stacks, but let's see how this project progresses.

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#50698

On 9/5/2016 1:24 PM, JUERGEN wrote:
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 5:34:22 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:

>> Phillip Koopmans "Stack Computers: The New Wave" book also has
>> information on the Novix CPU.
>> <  https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/stack_computers/  >
>> <
>> https://www.amazon.com/Stack-Computers-Wave-Philip-Koopman-ebook/dp/B00D96U606/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473093185&sr=8-1&keywords=Stack+Computers%3A+The+New+Wave
>>   >
>>
>> The amazon version is from the source so it looks much better for $.99
>> --
>> Cecil - k5nwa
>
> Thanks for this. Copied the relevant chapters out of the HTML and the block diagrams look very much the same. VHDL might go the other way here: to do the RTX  with additional FLASH / RAM as a running system and then comment out what does not exist in the Novix. Or an NOV_RTX as the simpler version Novix with the additional Stacks, but let's see how this project progresses.
>
That is an excellent book if one is interested in designing a Stack CPU.

I'm currently negotiating with C.H. Ting he has one copy of the book of 
"Footsteps in an Empty Valley" which is all about the Novix NC4016 CPU, 
I want to take the only copy and scan it creating an electronic version, 
if he agrees to it then the book will be available again.
-- 
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#50704

In article <nqkeap$d6m$1@dont-email.me>,
Cecil Bayona  <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote:
>
>
>On 9/5/2016 1:24 PM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 5:34:22 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>
>>> Phillip Koopmans "Stack Computers: The New Wave" book also has
>>> information on the Novix CPU.
>>> <  https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/stack_computers/  >
>>> <
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Stack-Computers-Wave-Philip-Koopman-ebook/dp/B00D96U606/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473093185&sr=8-1&keywords=Stack+Computers%3A+The+New+Wave
>>>   >
>>>
>>> The amazon version is from the source so it looks much better for $.99
>>> --
>>> Cecil - k5nwa
>>
>> Thanks for this. Copied the relevant chapters out of the HTML and the block diagrams look very much the same. VHDL might go the other way here: to do the RTX  with additional FLASH / RAM as a running system and then comment out what does not exist in the Novix. Or an NOV_RTX as the simpler version Novix with the additional Stacks, but let's see how this project progresses.
>>
>That is an excellent book if one is interested in designing a Stack CPU.
>
>I'm currently negotiating with C.H. Ting he has one copy of the book of
>"Footsteps in an Empty Valley" which is all about the Novix NC4016 CPU,
>I want to take the only copy and scan it creating an electronic version,
>if he agrees to it then the book will be available again.

I've a copy too. The advantage of having contact with C.H.Ting
is to have its electronic original.

>--
>Cecil - k5nwa
-- 
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Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
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#50707

On 9/6/2016 4:50 AM, Albert van der Horst wrote:
> In article <nqkeap$d6m$1@dont-email.me>,
> Cecil Bayona  <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 9/5/2016 1:24 PM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 5:34:22 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>>
>>>> Phillip Koopmans "Stack Computers: The New Wave" book also has
>>>> information on the Novix CPU.
>>>> <  https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/stack_computers/  >
>>>> <
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Stack-Computers-Wave-Philip-Koopman-ebook/dp/B00D96U606/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473093185&sr=8-1&keywords=Stack+Computers%3A+The+New+Wave
>>>>   >
>>>>
>>>> The amazon version is from the source so it looks much better for $.99
>>>> --
>>>> Cecil - k5nwa
>>>
>>> Thanks for this. Copied the relevant chapters out of the HTML and the block diagrams look very much the same. VHDL might go the other way here: to do the RTX  with additional FLASH / RAM as a running system and then comment out what does not exist in the Novix. Or an NOV_RTX as the simpler version Novix with the additional Stacks, but let's see how this project progresses.
>>>
>> That is an excellent book if one is interested in designing a Stack CPU.
>>
>> I'm currently negotiating with C.H. Ting he has one copy of the book of
>> "Footsteps in an Empty Valley" which is all about the Novix NC4016 CPU,
>> I want to take the only copy and scan it creating an electronic version,
>> if he agrees to it then the book will be available again.
>
> I've a copy too. The advantage of having contact with C.H.Ting
> is to have its electronic original.
>
>> --
>> Cecil - k5nwa

He only has one revision 3 paper copy left and won't sell it or loan it, 
and his computer version is an old revision and  has no illustrations. 
Apparently the latest electronic version is lost. He is in the middle of 
several personal projects so this is not a very high priority project 
for him to put the illustrations and bring the text up to date, so it 
may take quite a long time before it's available if at all.

I offered to scan the illustrations, clean them up and put them in the 
text, update the text to revision 3 and return his original paper 
version and updated electronic version but he would rather do it himself 
when he has the time and come up with revision 4, which maybe would 
never happen as he as his health issues and other interest of higher 
priority.

Unfortunately this is some of the many sources of Forth information that 
is disappearing very quickly, I wish I had gotten a copy a long time 
back but I was busy with many other things, now that I have the time and 
interest I find many Forth resources have been lost, and sitting in 
peoples basement waiting to be thrown out in the trash.  So in topics of 
possible interest I been searching and hoarding information so it will 
not be lost, and publish them in a domain I own; <  www.forthlang.org 
 >, for many items it already too late.


-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#50711

In article <nqmfvb$gcd$1@dont-email.me>,
Cecil Bayona  <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote:
>
>
>On 9/6/2016 4:50 AM, Albert van der Horst wrote:
>> In article <nqkeap$d6m$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Cecil Bayona  <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/5/2016 1:24 PM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 5:34:22 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Phillip Koopmans "Stack Computers: The New Wave" book also has
>>>>> information on the Novix CPU.
>>>>> <  https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/stack_computers/  >
>>>>> <
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Stack-Computers-Wave-Philip-Koopman-ebook/dp/B00D96U606/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473093185&sr=8-1&keywords=Stack+Computers%3A+The+New+Wave
>>>>>   >
>>>>>
>>>>> The amazon version is from the source so it looks much better for $.99
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cecil - k5nwa
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this. Copied the relevant chapters out of the HTML and the block diagrams look very much the same. VHDL might go the other way here: to do the RTX  with additional FLASH / RAM as a running system and then comment out what does not exist in the Novix. Or an NOV_RTX as the simpler version Novix with the additional Stacks, but let's see how this project progresses.
>>>>
>>> That is an excellent book if one is interested in designing a Stack CPU.
>>>
>>> I'm currently negotiating with C.H. Ting he has one copy of the book of
>>> "Footsteps in an Empty Valley" which is all about the Novix NC4016 CPU,
>>> I want to take the only copy and scan it creating an electronic version,
>>> if he agrees to it then the book will be available again.
>>
>> I've a copy too. The advantage of having contact with C.H.Ting
>> is to have its electronic original.
>>
>>> --
>>> Cecil - k5nwa
>
>He only has one revision 3 paper copy left and won't sell it or loan it,
>and his computer version is an old revision and  has no illustrations.
>Apparently the latest electronic version is lost. He is in the middle of
>several personal projects so this is not a very high priority project
>for him to put the illustrations and bring the text up to date, so it
>may take quite a long time before it's available if at all.
>
>I offered to scan the illustrations, clean them up and put them in the
>text, update the text to revision 3 and return his original paper
>version and updated electronic version but he would rather do it himself
>when he has the time and come up with revision 4, which maybe would
>never happen as he as his health issues and other interest of higher
>priority.
>
>Unfortunately this is some of the many sources of Forth information that
>is disappearing very quickly, I wish I had gotten a copy a long time
>back but I was busy with many other things, now that I have the time and
>interest I find many Forth resources have been lost, and sitting in
>peoples basement waiting to be thrown out in the trash.  So in topics of
>possible interest I been searching and hoarding information so it will
>not be lost, and publish them in a domain I own; <  www.forthlang.org
> >, for many items it already too late.

The Dutch Forth gg inherits all Forth related intellectual property of
Peynenburg Software Development. This is a couple of banana boxes.
It includes FysForth, one of the first extensive Forth's,
for the Apple II used in the Physics Lab (fysisch laboratorium)
of the university Utrecht. (Later there was a version for IBM PC).
It is unlikely that the university would contend ip, in view of
a decennia long commercial exploitation of those Forths by PSD and the
fact that the authors are members of the Dutch Forth gg.

As far as Novix board is concerned the Forth gg inventory says
"
   Novix SBC and parafernalia

   EB1 4200 (SBC standalone) + manual    8 pc.
   SB4100    PC ISA card     + manual    3 pc. + 1 defective

   General handbook "express"           12 pc.

   "10 books with background information"
"

[ I should have written down the titles of the books. ]

I'm sure we have :
 - footsteps in an empty valley
 - More on NC4000 volume 3 ( a mishmash of overprints)
 - Novix EB1 ein Hochgeschwindigkeits-Rechner mit dem
     Novix NC4000

The latter book is apparently written by PSD for the German
market. Even if it is non-proportional print and single sided,
it is high quality and contains electronic schemes, timing
diagrams, and a Forth glossary.
(I can read German, it is definitively not Norwegian.)

We could certainly part with one EB1 4200 + manual + express book.

I think it will be too late to lay hands on the other NC4000
newsletter volumes. IMO they are mainly for historic interest.

>--
>Cecil - k5nwa

Groetjes Albert
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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#50714

On 9/6/2016 2:05 PM, Albert van der Horst wrote:
> In article <nqmfvb$gcd$1@dont-email.me>,
> Cecil Bayona  <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 9/6/2016 4:50 AM, Albert van der Horst wrote:
>>> In article <nqkeap$d6m$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Cecil Bayona  <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/5/2016 1:24 PM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 5:34:22 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Phillip Koopmans "Stack Computers: The New Wave" book also has
>>>>>> information on the Novix CPU.
>>>>>> <  https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/stack_computers/  >
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Stack-Computers-Wave-Philip-Koopman-ebook/dp/B00D96U606/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473093185&sr=8-1&keywords=Stack+Computers%3A+The+New+Wave
>>>>>>   >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The amazon version is from the source so it looks much better for $.99
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cecil - k5nwa
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for this. Copied the relevant chapters out of the HTML and the block diagrams look very much the same. VHDL might go the other way here: to do the RTX  with additional FLASH / RAM as a running system and then comment out what does not exist in the Novix. Or an NOV_RTX as the simpler version Novix with the additional Stacks, but let's see how this project progresses.
>>>>>
>>>> That is an excellent book if one is interested in designing a Stack CPU.
>>>>
>>>> I'm currently negotiating with C.H. Ting he has one copy of the book of
>>>> "Footsteps in an Empty Valley" which is all about the Novix NC4016 CPU,
>>>> I want to take the only copy and scan it creating an electronic version,
>>>> if he agrees to it then the book will be available again.
>>>
>>> I've a copy too. The advantage of having contact with C.H.Ting
>>> is to have its electronic original.
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cecil - k5nwa
>>
>> He only has one revision 3 paper copy left and won't sell it or loan it,
>> and his computer version is an old revision and  has no illustrations.
>> Apparently the latest electronic version is lost. He is in the middle of
>> several personal projects so this is not a very high priority project
>> for him to put the illustrations and bring the text up to date, so it
>> may take quite a long time before it's available if at all.
>>
>> I offered to scan the illustrations, clean them up and put them in the
>> text, update the text to revision 3 and return his original paper
>> version and updated electronic version but he would rather do it himself
>> when he has the time and come up with revision 4, which maybe would
>> never happen as he as his health issues and other interest of higher
>> priority.
>>
>> Unfortunately this is some of the many sources of Forth information that
>> is disappearing very quickly, I wish I had gotten a copy a long time
>> back but I was busy with many other things, now that I have the time and
>> interest I find many Forth resources have been lost, and sitting in
>> peoples basement waiting to be thrown out in the trash.  So in topics of
>> possible interest I been searching and hoarding information so it will
>> not be lost, and publish them in a domain I own; <  www.forthlang.org
>>> , for many items it already too late.
>
> The Dutch Forth gg inherits all Forth related intellectual property of
> Peynenburg Software Development. This is a couple of banana boxes.
> It includes FysForth, one of the first extensive Forth's,
> for the Apple II used in the Physics Lab (fysisch laboratorium)
> of the university Utrecht. (Later there was a version for IBM PC).
> It is unlikely that the university would contend ip, in view of
> a decennia long commercial exploitation of those Forths by PSD and the
> fact that the authors are members of the Dutch Forth gg.
>
> As far as Novix board is concerned the Forth gg inventory says
> "
>    Novix SBC and parafernalia
>
>    EB1 4200 (SBC standalone) + manual    8 pc.
>    SB4100    PC ISA card     + manual    3 pc. + 1 defective
>
>    General handbook "express"           12 pc.
>
>    "10 books with background information"
> "
>
> [ I should have written down the titles of the books. ]
>
> I'm sure we have :
>  - footsteps in an empty valley
>  - More on NC4000 volume 3 ( a mishmash of overprints)
>  - Novix EB1 ein Hochgeschwindigkeits-Rechner mit dem
>      Novix NC4000
>
> The latter book is apparently written by PSD for the German
> market. Even if it is non-proportional print and single sided,
> it is high quality and contains electronic schemes, timing
> diagrams, and a Forth glossary.
> (I can read German, it is definitively not Norwegian.)
>
> We could certainly part with one EB1 4200 + manual + express book.
>
> I think it will be too late to lay hands on the other NC4000
> newsletter volumes. IMO they are mainly for historic interest.
>
>> --
>> Cecil - k5nwa
>
> Groetjes Albert
>
Exactly what do you mean by part with? Is the EB1 4200 an actual CPU board?

In any case any worthwhile literature I get a hold of will be scanned, 
and cleaned up, and if it's a decent manual it will be re-type to get a 
electronic clean copy.



-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#50717

Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> writes:
> "Footsteps in an Empty Valley"... He only has one revision 3 paper
> copy left and won't sell it or loan it...  I offered to scan

There's a library near me with a copy.  I don't know which revision.  I
can't borrow it from them but I can go there and look at it, or
potentially scan it there if Ting is ok with that.  Or are you near
enough to Ting to scan his copy without having to borrow it?

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#50719

On 9/6/2016 4:43 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> writes:
>> "Footsteps in an Empty Valley"... He only has one revision 3 paper
>> copy left and won't sell it or loan it...  I offered to scan
>
> There's a library near me with a copy.  I don't know which revision.  I
> can't borrow it from them but I can go there and look at it, or
> potentially scan it there if Ting is ok with that.  Or are you near
> enough to Ting to scan his copy without having to borrow it

I live in North West Arkansas, which is pretty far from California.

I was going to check and see if the libraries in my area can borrow a 
copy, most likely tomorrow. I figure to scan it, then type it into a 
word processor.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#50729

On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 23:00:47 UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa  wrote:
> On 9/6/2016 4:43 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> > Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> writes:
> >> "Footsteps in an Empty Valley"... He only has one revision 3 paper
> >> copy left and won't sell it or loan it...  I offered to scan
> >
> > There's a library near me with a copy.  I don't know which revision.  I
> > can't borrow it from them but I can go there and look at it, or
> > potentially scan it there if Ting is ok with that.  Or are you near
> > enough to Ting to scan his copy without having to borrow it
> 
> I live in North West Arkansas, which is pretty far from California.
> 
> I was going to check and see if the libraries in my area can borrow a 
> copy, most likely tomorrow. I figure to scan it, then type it into a 
> word processor.
> 
> -- 
> Cecil - k5nwa

I may be able to help. I have Dragon Naturally Speaking installed
on my machine. I can literally speak the text into the computer and
it will type it for me. This can save a lot of time. It is generally
very useful for the textual parts of any manuscript, but useless for
source code. I could reproduce the textual portions of the manuscript
for you if you would like.

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#50730

In article <7955c791-52eb-45ff-b8e5-a1ad85cd1daa@googlegroups.com>,
Mark Wills  <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 23:00:47 UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa  wrote:
<SNIP>
>>
>> I was going to check and see if the libraries in my area can borrow a
>> copy, most likely tomorrow. I figure to scan it, then type it into a
>> word processor.
>>
>> --
>> Cecil - k5nwa
>
>I may be able to help. I have Dragon Naturally Speaking installed
>on my machine. I can literally speak the text into the computer and
>it will type it for me. This can save a lot of time. It is generally
>very useful for the textual parts of any manuscript, but useless for
>source code. I could reproduce the textual portions of the manuscript
>for you if you would like.

Really? I've seen Footsteps in an empty valley and the usual
OCR programs will have no problems with it.

Groetjes Albert
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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