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  Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. Stephen Walters Esq <mister35mm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 14:41 -0700
    Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-14 16:15 -0700
    Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-14 17:49 -0700
      Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. mister35mm@gmail.com - 2017-03-14 22:55 -0700
        Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:30 -0400
          Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-15 01:13 -0700
          Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-15 04:11 -0500
          Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. john <anon@example.com> - 2017-03-15 09:24 +0000
            Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 16:10 +0100
              Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. NN <november.nihal@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 09:06 -0700
                Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2017-03-15 09:32 -0700
                Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 21:58 +0100
              Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 10:42 -0700
                Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-15 12:48 -0500
                Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. john <anon@example.com> - 2017-03-15 19:52 +0000
                  Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2017-03-15 16:14 -0700
              Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. john <anon@example.com> - 2017-03-15 18:43 +0000
                Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 02:54 -0700
              Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. mhx@iae.nl - 2017-03-15 12:56 -0700
            Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 16:15 -0400
              Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. john <anon@example.com> - 2017-03-15 20:47 +0000
                Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 17:23 -0400
                  Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. john <anon@example.com> - 2017-03-15 22:37 +0000
                    Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 21:47 -0400
                      Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 02:58 -0700
          Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 06:17 -0700
            Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 15:56 -0400
        Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-15 10:59 -0700
        Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 15:55 -0400
    Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 21:11 -0400
      Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. mister35mm@gmail.com - 2017-03-14 22:51 -0700
    Re: Moderated FORTH group on Facebook. gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 11:56 -0700

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#55793 — Moderated FORTH group on Facebook.

Last year, I setup a moderated FORTH programming group on Facebook. With it's growing popularity, I setup an additional FORTH group for developers and makers to sell their products and services.

New members are welcome.

These are moderated groups, so spam and bullying are not acceptable any offenders are excluded.

FORTH PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE
https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?ref=bookmarks

and
FORTH PROGRAMMING:- HARDWARE / SOFTWARE / SERVICES (SALE+WANTED)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1847741652126778/

Stephen Walters G7VFY

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#55794

On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 2:41:31 PM UTC-7, Stephen Walters Esq wrote:
> These are moderated groups, so spam and bullying are not acceptable any offenders are excluded.

That sounds like a good idea --- people who claim to set the standard for the entire Forth community by fiat should be excluded --- people who write Forth code-libraries should be welcome.

That is what you mean?

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#55795

On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 2:41:31 PM UTC-7, Stephen Walters Esq wrote:
> I setup an additional FORTH group for developers and makers to sell their products and services.

This sounds like a corporate-shill site --- you pretend to represent the Forth community --- but you actually represent Forth Inc., so the site consists entirely of thinly veiled advertising for Forth Inc.. This is like that Chevrolet commercial we get at the beginning of movies that features: "real people, not actors."

I have described Forth-200x as "astro turf" --- this means a corporate project that is faked up to appear to be a grassroots project --- the term mostly comes from politics, such as the "Tea Party."

Forth-200x has the rule that no company or individual can have more than one vote on the committee. Yet, Andrew Haley is an employee of Forth Inc., so he votes as his boss Leon Wagner tells him to. Similarly, Peter Knaggs is an employee of MPE so he votes as his boss Stephen Pelc tells him to. Also, Stephen Pelc and Elizabeth Rather have boasted about how Forth Inc. and MPE do joint projects --- it appears that Elizabeth Rather sells the job using her usual: "I alone learned Forth directly from Chuck" sales pitch --- but Forth Inc. lacks the programmers needed to do the work, so she then out-sources the programming work to MPE.

Quite a cozy tightly-knit group, the Forth-200x committee is! How easy is it to be on a committee along with your boss? Just vote as your boss tells you to vote, with no thinking required, then cash in your paycheck at the end of the week that has your boss's signature on it for authorization. 

The Forth-200x consider the Forth community to be competitors --- they are purposely crippling the standard so nobody can write standard programs that are competitive. Meanwhile, Forth Inc. and MPE ignore the standard in their own programs but, because they own the committee, they have a platform from which they can denounce anybody else who ignores the standard as being a non-standard wannabee.

I notice that you have an "esq" after your name. Is it common for lawyers to program in Forth? Or, perhaps, you work for Forth Inc., not as a programmer, but as a lawyer? Elizabeth Rather was previously bragging about how she was suing Apple Computer because their Swift programming language supposedly steals the fame of SwiftForth. I suppose Forth Inc. has on-staff lawyers to file deep-pocket lawsuits like this. Is that what you do? What is your interest in Forth that inspires you to set up two Forth forums? Since you are a lawyer, you are presumably familiar with the terms: "full disclosure" and "conflict of interest."

> New members are welcome.

Bring knee-pads!

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#55801

....blah...blah...blah...

some tedious ranting... 
> Bring knee-pads!

Right then, you stay here then and argue with yourself.

This is just the reason why I created this group, so discussions stay on topic and bitter little trolls stay out.

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#55804

On 3/15/2017 1:55 AM, mister35mm@gmail.com wrote:
> ....blah...blah...blah...
>
> some tedious ranting...
>> Bring knee-pads!
>
> Right then, you stay here then and argue with yourself.
>
> This is just the reason why I created this group, so discussions stay on topic and bitter little trolls stay out.

This group is not so overrun with the non-productive posters that it is 
not worth reading.  I have no doubt a moderated group would have fewer 
non-productive posts, but it would likely also have fewer productive 
posts.  I have yet to find a moderated group that was worth following.

Yours requiring a Facebook account makes it a no-go for me.

I guess we'll just have to continue to live with the trolling posts and 
spam.

-- 

Rick C

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#55805

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
> This group is not so overrun with the non-productive posters that it
> is not worth reading.

Just a few killfile entries fixes most of that.

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#55806

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This group is not so overrun with the non-productive posters that it is 
> not worth reading.  I have no doubt a moderated group would have fewer 
> non-productive posts, but it would likely also have fewer productive 
> posts.  I have yet to find a moderated group that was worth following.
> 
> Yours requiring a Facebook account makes it a no-go for me.
> 
> I guess we'll just have to continue to live with the trolling posts and 
> spam.

Just use killfiles.  They've been part of USENET since almost the very
beginning.  The only problem is people who reply to trolling and spam,
often without trimming.

Andrew.

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#55807

In article <oaaqe3$gc2$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
> 
> On 3/15/2017 1:55 AM, mister35mm@gmail.com wrote:
> > ....blah...blah...blah...
> >
> > some tedious ranting...
> >> Bring knee-pads!
> >
> > Right then, you stay here then and argue with yourself.
> >
> > This is just the reason why I created this group, so discussions stay on topic and bitter little trolls stay out.
> 
> This group is not so overrun with the non-productive posters that it is 
> not worth reading.  I have no doubt a moderated group would have fewer 
> non-productive posts, but it would likely also have fewer productive 
> posts.  I have yet to find a moderated group that was worth following.
> 
> Yours requiring a Facebook account makes it a no-go for me.
> 
> I guess we'll just have to continue to live with the trolling posts and 
> spam.

The forum jack set up on my site is freely available and very underused rick.
Anyone is welcome to use it..There is a forth section already set up.



-- 

john

=========================
http://johntech.co.uk

"Bleeding Edge Forum"
http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 

=========================

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#55810

Op Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:24:47 -0000 schreef john:

> In article <oaaqe3$gc2$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
>> 
>> On 3/15/2017 1:55 AM, mister35mm@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ....blah...blah...blah...
>>>
>>> some tedious ranting...
>>>> Bring knee-pads!
>>>
>>> Right then, you stay here then and argue with yourself.
>>>
>>> This is just the reason why I created this group, so discussions stay on topic and bitter little trolls stay out.
>> 
>> This group is not so overrun with the non-productive posters that it is 
>> not worth reading.  I have no doubt a moderated group would have fewer 
>> non-productive posts, but it would likely also have fewer productive 
>> posts.  I have yet to find a moderated group that was worth following.
>> 
>> Yours requiring a Facebook account makes it a no-go for me.
>> 
>> I guess we'll just have to continue to live with the trolling posts and 
>> spam.
> 
> The forum jack set up on my site is freely available and very underused rick.
> Anyone is welcome to use it..There is a forth section already set up.

You keep saying this, but I've tried for months to reach these URLs.
I always get a time out.

"
http://johntech.co.uk
http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 
"

groet Coos

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#55811

[...]
> "
> http://johntech.co.uk
> http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 
> "
> 
> groet Coos

Hi Coos, 

The links work fine. No idea why you are getting a time out.

NN

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#55812

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:06:51 UTC+1, NN  wrote:
> [...]
> > "
> > http://johntech.co.uk
> > http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 
> > "
> > 
> > groet Coos
> 
> Hi Coos, 
> 
> The links work fine. No idea why you are getting a time out.
> 
> NN

It does not work for me. I has never worked when I have tried before either

Peter

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#55827

Op Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:06:49 -0700 (PDT) schreef NN:

> [...]
>> "
>> http://johntech.co.uk
>> http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 
>> "
>> 
>> groet Coos
> 
> Hi Coos, 
> 
> The links work fine. No idea why you are getting a time out.
> 
> NN

In don't believe in black magic, but somehow this incatation works ;-)

bedankt, Coos

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#55814

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:10:42 UTC, Coos Haak  wrote:
> Op Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:24:47 -0000 schreef john:
> 
> > In article <oaaqe3$gc2$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
> >> 
> >> On 3/15/2017 1:55 AM, mister35mm@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> ....blah...blah...blah...
> >>>
> >>> some tedious ranting...
> >>>> Bring knee-pads!
> >>>
> >>> Right then, you stay here then and argue with yourself.
> >>>
> >>> This is just the reason why I created this group, so discussions stay on topic and bitter little trolls stay out.
> >> 
> >> This group is not so overrun with the non-productive posters that it is 
> >> not worth reading.  I have no doubt a moderated group would have fewer 
> >> non-productive posts, but it would likely also have fewer productive 
> >> posts.  I have yet to find a moderated group that was worth following.
> >> 
> >> Yours requiring a Facebook account makes it a no-go for me.
> >> 
> >> I guess we'll just have to continue to live with the trolling posts and 
> >> spam.
> > 
> > The forum jack set up on my site is freely available and very underused rick.
> > Anyone is welcome to use it..There is a forth section already set up.
> 
> You keep saying this, but I've tried for months to reach these URLs.
> I always get a time out.
> 
> "
> http://johntech.co.uk
> http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 
> "
> 
> groet Coos

Confirmed. Doesn't work.

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#55815

On 3/15/2017 12:42 PM, Mark Wills wrote:
> On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:10:42 UTC, Coos Haak  wrote:
>> Op Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:24:47 -0000 schreef john:
>>
>>> In article <oaaqe3$gc2$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 3/15/2017 1:55 AM, mister35mm@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> ....blah...blah...blah...
>>>>>
>>>>> some tedious ranting...
>>>>>> Bring knee-pads!
>>>>>
>>>>> Right then, you stay here then and argue with yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is just the reason why I created this group, so discussions stay on topic and bitter little trolls stay out.
>>>>
>>>> This group is not so overrun with the non-productive posters that it is
>>>> not worth reading.  I have no doubt a moderated group would have fewer
>>>> non-productive posts, but it would likely also have fewer productive
>>>> posts.  I have yet to find a moderated group that was worth following.
>>>>
>>>> Yours requiring a Facebook account makes it a no-go for me.
>>>>
>>>> I guess we'll just have to continue to live with the trolling posts and
>>>> spam.
>>>
>>> The forum jack set up on my site is freely available and very underused rick.
>>> Anyone is welcome to use it..There is a forth section already set up.
>>
>> You keep saying this, but I've tried for months to reach these URLs.
>> I always get a time out.
>>
>> "
>> http://johntech.co.uk
>> http://johntech.co.uk/forum/
>> "
>>
>> groet Coos
>
> Confirmed. Doesn't work.
>
I can get to the links just fine using Comodo Dragon an offshoot of Chrome.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#55820

In article <969565a9-bb53-4136-8a4f-85a1cb568956@googlegroups.com>, 
markwills1970@gmail.com says...

> > "
> > http://johntech.co.uk
> > http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 
> > "
> > 
> > groet Coos
> 
> Confirmed. Doesn't work.

OK everyone I did find a few issues that may be causing problems.
If anyone still can't get in it would help me if you could try and get
some info to me about what you are using:
IP address
Web browser  
are both very helpful.
Please note you will not get in if : 
1 You are blanking your user agent name
2.  You are not using GET (whoever it is using POST  - that doesnt work there)

You should also allow the front page to do a redirect - it just takes
you to http:.//johntech.co.uk  instead of www.johntech.co.uk  not anywhere else. 
I can't mess with that for a while as I have embedded pages routing  there sorry.

Thank you all for letting me know there was an issue.

-- 

john

=========================
http://johntech.co.uk

"Bleeding Edge Forum"
http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 

=========================

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#55832

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 20:53:35 UTC+1, john  wrote:
> In article <969565a9-bb53-4136-8a4f-85a1cb568956@googlegroups.com>, 
> markwills1970@gmail.com says...
> 
> > > "
> > > http://johntech.co.uk
> > > http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 
> > > "
> > > 
> > > groet Coos
> > 
> > Confirmed. Doesn't work.
> 
> OK everyone I did find a few issues that may be causing problems.
> If anyone still can't get in it would help me if you could try and get
> some info to me about what you are using:
> IP address
> Web browser  
> are both very helpful.
> Please note you will not get in if : 
> 1 You are blanking your user agent name
> 2.  You are not using GET (whoever it is using POST  - that doesnt work there)
> 
> You should also allow the front page to do a redirect - it just takes
> you to http:.//johntech.co.uk  instead of www.johntech.co.uk  not anywhere else. 
> I can't mess with that for a while as I have embedded pages routing  there sorry.
> 
> Thank you all for letting me know there was an issue.

It is now working for me

Peter


> 
> -- 
> 
> john
> 
> =========================
> http://johntech.co.uk
> 
> "Bleeding Edge Forum"
> http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 
> 
> =========================

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#55819

In article <1q1srehimvkq2.11zyzlihg7i5x.dlg@40tude.net>, htrofhc@gmail.com 
says...
> 
> Op Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:24:47 -0000 schreef john:

> >> 
> >> Yours requiring a Facebook account makes it a no-go for me.
> >> 
> >> I guess we'll just have to continue to live with the trolling posts and 
> >> spam.
> > 
> > The forum jack set up on my site is freely available and very underused rick.
> > Anyone is welcome to use it..There is a forth section already set up.
> 
> You keep saying this, but I've tried for months to reach these URLs.
> I always get a time out.
> 
> "
> http://johntech.co.uk
> http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 
> "
> 
> groet Coos

Appologies to all - I just assumed there was little interest from here
as no one said anything.People have visited so I know it's not a  network fault. 
And my clients are ok. 

It may just be a firewall issue - I did have to lock down tight a while back
so maybe something got restored from backup that shouldn't have.
(I had the whole of the USA blocked at one point) 
I'll take a look and see what I can do later tonight. 

Please do hassle me any way you can if you can't get through. 
Its a shame to waste a perfectly empty forum !

-- 

john

=========================
http://johntech.co.uk

"Bleeding Edge Forum"
http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 

=========================

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#55845

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 18:44:18 UTC, john  wrote:
> In article <1q1srehimvkq2.11zyzlihg7i5x.dlg@40tude.net>, htrofhc@gmail.com 
> says...
> > 
> > Op Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:24:47 -0000 schreef john:
> 
> > >> 
> > >> Yours requiring a Facebook account makes it a no-go for me.
> > >> 
> > >> I guess we'll just have to continue to live with the trolling posts and 
> > >> spam.
> > > 
> > > The forum jack set up on my site is freely available and very underused rick.
> > > Anyone is welcome to use it..There is a forth section already set up.
> > 
> > You keep saying this, but I've tried for months to reach these URLs.
> > I always get a time out.
> > 
> > "
> > http://johntech.co.uk
> > http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 
> > "
> > 
> > groet Coos
> 
> Appologies to all - I just assumed there was little interest from here
> as no one said anything.People have visited so I know it's not a  network fault. 
> And my clients are ok. 
> 
> It may just be a firewall issue - I did have to lock down tight a while back
> so maybe something got restored from backup that shouldn't have.
> (I had the whole of the USA blocked at one point) 
> I'll take a look and see what I can do later tonight. 
> 
> Please do hassle me any way you can if you can't get through. 
> Its a shame to waste a perfectly empty forum !
> 
> -- 
> 
> john
> 
> =========================
> http://johntech.co.uk
> 
> "Bleeding Edge Forum"
> http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 
> 
> =========================


It's working for me now.

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#55823

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 4:10:42 PM UTC+1, Coos Haak wrote:
> Op Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:24:47 -0000 schreef john:
> 
> > In article <oaaqe3$gc2$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
> >> 
> >> On 3/15/2017 1:55 AM, mister35mm@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> ....blah...blah...blah...
> >>>
> >>> some tedious ranting...
> >>>> Bring knee-pads!
> >>>
> >>> Right then, you stay here then and argue with yourself.
> >>>
> >>> This is just the reason why I created this group, so discussions stay on topic and bitter little trolls stay out.
> >> 
> >> This group is not so overrun with the non-productive posters that it is 
> >> not worth reading.  I have no doubt a moderated group would have fewer 
> >> non-productive posts, but it would likely also have fewer productive 
> >> posts.  I have yet to find a moderated group that was worth following.
> >> 
> >> Yours requiring a Facebook account makes it a no-go for me.
> >> 
> >> I guess we'll just have to continue to live with the trolling posts and 
> >> spam.
> > 
> > The forum jack set up on my site is freely available and very underused rick.
> > Anyone is welcome to use it..There is a forth section already set up.
> 
> You keep saying this, but I've tried for months to reach these URLs.
> I always get a time out.
> 
> "
> http://johntech.co.uk
> http://johntech.co.uk/forum/ 
> "
> 
> groet Coos

It works here. 
Not a single offensive posting in sight!

-marcel

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#55824

On 3/15/2017 5:24 AM, john wrote:
> In article <oaaqe3$gc2$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On 3/15/2017 1:55 AM, mister35mm@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ....blah...blah...blah...
>>>
>>> some tedious ranting...
>>>> Bring knee-pads!
>>>
>>> Right then, you stay here then and argue with yourself.
>>>
>>> This is just the reason why I created this group, so discussions stay on topic and bitter little trolls stay out.
>>
>> This group is not so overrun with the non-productive posters that it is
>> not worth reading.  I have no doubt a moderated group would have fewer
>> non-productive posts, but it would likely also have fewer productive
>> posts.  I have yet to find a moderated group that was worth following.
>>
>> Yours requiring a Facebook account makes it a no-go for me.
>>
>> I guess we'll just have to continue to live with the trolling posts and
>> spam.
>
> The forum jack set up on my site is freely available and very underused rick.
> Anyone is welcome to use it..There is a forth section already set up.

Who is Jack exactly?  I see posts here from Stephen Walters and a 
"mister35mm" who would seem to be the same person.  How did we get onto 
a different forum created by a different person?

Also, "underused" is a bit of an understatement...


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