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  OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 09:53 -0800
    Re: OT: Linux lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 10:27 -0800
      Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 23:45 -0800
    Re: OT: Linux hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-05 11:08 -0800
    Re: OT: Linux Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 21:21 +0200
      Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 12:48 -0800
        Re: OT: Linux Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 07:14 +0200
          Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 23:44 -0800
            Re: OT: Linux Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-12-06 01:22 -0800
              Re: OT: Linux Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-12-06 03:30 -0600
              Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 03:58 -0800
            Re: OT: Linux Martin Nicholas <reply-2016@mgn.org.uk> - 2016-12-06 09:22 +0000
              Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 03:54 -0800
              Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 03:55 -0800
              Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 04:00 -0800
              Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 04:05 -0800
            Re: OT: Linux minforth@arcor.de - 2016-12-06 01:22 -0800
          Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 03:57 -0800
            Re: OT: Linux Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 14:22 +0200
              Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 04:54 -0800
                Re: OT: Linux minforth@arcor.de - 2016-12-06 11:21 -0800
                Re: OT: Linux Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2016-12-06 22:24 +0000
                  Re: OT: Linux Rob Sciuk <rob@controlq.com> - 2016-12-08 12:22 -0500
                  Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-09 01:40 -0800
      Re: OT: Linux Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-12-05 23:45 -0600
        Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 23:38 -0800
          Re: OT: Linux Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2016-12-06 10:13 +0000

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#53088 — OT: Linux

I'm using Linux for ~95% of my personal computing needs these days.
Setting up a LAN with file sharing/directory browsing is bonkers
simple, and really fast. Well, Linux Mint (debian) makes it easy.

Loving it.

Just sayin'.

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#53090

Den måndag 5 december 2016 kl. 18:53:54 UTC+1 skrev Mark Wills:
> I'm using Linux for ~95% of my personal computing needs these days.
> Setting up a LAN with file sharing/directory browsing is bonkers
> simple, and really fast. Well, Linux Mint (debian) makes it easy.
> 
> Loving it.
> 
> Just sayin'.

What Forth do you use?

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#53107

None at the moment. I'm open to suggestions. I'd like one that can produce stand alone executables if possible but it's not absolutely essential. 

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#53093

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 10:53:54 AM UTC-7, Mark Wills wrote:
> I'm using Linux for ~95% of my personal computing needs these days.
> Setting up a LAN with file sharing/directory browsing is bonkers
> simple, and really fast. Well, Linux Mint (debian) makes it easy.
> 
> Loving it.
> 
> Just sayin'.

In the past I only used Linux for LaTeX work because Windows' support for LaTeX is terrible. I didn't like Linux much. Its wifi support didn't work well. Also, I had some unexplained but horrible slowdown on all my programs. I don't know much about Linux --- these issues may be my fault somehow --- I need to learn more about Linux in order to make it useful...

I'm not doing any writing now, so I don't need LaTeX for anything, and I don't have Linux on any computer anymore. Maybe I should get back into Linux though just for general purpose work and programming. I will have to find out if there is a version of FASM available for Linux --- I'm not much interested in using GAS --- it is arguably the worst assembler available, whereas FASM is arguably the best assembler available.

What is Linux good for other than LaTeX? In the past there was a lot of talk about how commercial software would be developed for Linux, and Kylix was sold for the purpose of developing commercial software on Linux, but now Kylix is dead. Has anybody ever developed any commercial software for Linux? Is there any application for Linux other than LAMP or LaTeX? Is there any CAM software available for Linux, either commercial or GNU? I suppose that some graphics artists use GIMP, but this isn't very common (my friend the graphics artist told me that she was taught Adobe software in school and had never heard of GIMP before I mentioned it). 

It seems like the Linux community is opposed to commercial software for Linux and will never pay for it --- but, Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds and other luminaries in the GNU world were never 100% opposed to commercial software though afaik --- I don't see any philosophical reason why we can't have commercial software running on a GNU platform.

Further OT: Any thoughts on the subject of Menuet?

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#53094

On 05/12/2016 19:53, Mark Wills wrote:
> I'm using Linux for ~95% of my personal computing needs these days.
> Setting up a LAN with file sharing/directory browsing is bonkers
> simple, and really fast. Well, Linux Mint (debian) makes it easy.
> 
> Loving it.
> 
> Just sayin'.

Yep. I use Mint on my "main" machine, and it's great.  Though I did
recently move to using the LXDE desktop to give more CPU to the more
important stuff...

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#53096

Is there much involved in doing that? 

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#53100

On 05/12/2016 22:48, Mark Wills wrote:
> Is there much involved in doing that? 
> 
Are you asking me about LXDE?  No, it was very simple (you can google
the instructions, the process takes about 15 minutes depending on your
internet connection).

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#53106

Thanks I'll have a look. I'm currently using an old NetBook running Mint add my main machine as a friend has my laptop right now for doing some PLC work. It'srunning quite sluggish as it's not using any hardware acceleration. LXDE might free it up a bit. My main laptop ribs mint lije the wind. The hardware is fully recognised. 

Currently my only requirement for windows is the Siemens PLC development software.

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#53110

Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> writes:
> I'm currently using an old NetBook running Mint.... It's running
> quite sluggish as it's not using any hardware acceleration.

If it has a hard disk, the first thing to do is yank it out and put in a
solid state one.  The difference that makes to the computer's usability
is shocking.

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#53113

On 12/6/2016 3:22 AM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> writes:
>> I'm currently using an old NetBook running Mint.... It's running
>> quite sluggish as it's not using any hardware acceleration.
>
> If it has a hard disk, the first thing to do is yank it out and put in a
> solid state one.  The difference that makes to the computer's usability
> is shocking.
>
On NewEgg a 128GB SSD quite often goes on sale for $35 and a 256GB one 
for $59, and it makes quite a difference, specially on a resource 
starved PC.
-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#53121

On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 09:22:04 UTC, Paul Rubin  wrote:
> Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> writes:
> > I'm currently using an old NetBook running Mint.... It's running
> > quite sluggish as it's not using any hardware acceleration.
> 
> If it has a hard disk, the first thing to do is yank it out and put in a
> solid state one.  The difference that makes to the computer's usability
> is shocking.

Did that on Friday. Boot time came down from 1 min 11 secs (that's from after POST to log in screen) to 6 secs. YOWZERS!!! Upgraded the RAM while I was at it, but that made no difference. I expected that, as Linux wasn't even using the swap file (was quite happy running entirely in RAM with 1GB ram).

The issue is video driver. I think it's using a non-proprietary (i.e. default Linux) driver - so no hardware acceleration. For normal desktop usage it's absolutely fine, but playing DVDs/youtube etc just isn't working.

It's not really a Linux/Mint issue. On my "main" laptop (A Toshiba Tecra M5) the hardware is fully recognised and supported and it runs mega fast. Totally smooth.

These netbooks were a bit of flash-in-the-pan just prior to the Great Tablet Takeover of 2011 so they probably didn't get much attention from the Linux devs since there probably isn't that many of them.

This one I have here is an Acer. It's really rather cute. Shame it's not used more.

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#53111

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:44:02 -0800 (PST)
Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote:

> Currently my only requirement for windows is the Siemens PLC
> development software.

Siemens LOGOComfort has a Linux version which works just fine. It's a
Java (spit!) application and so _should_ be portable anyway.

I have used Ubuntu/Debian for years on my desktop and servers
respectively.

I have Win10 on a Dell laptop - never use it. I run Ubuntu.

This literature is being composed with Claws Mail. Generally there is
an open source (free) equivalent for almost every application you can
think of. The difficult bit is finding them as there is no marketing
department bawling in your ear; you have to go and look for yourself.

-- 
Regards,

Martin Nicholas.

E-mail: reply-201612@mgn.org.uk

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#53118

On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 09:22:04 UTC, Martin Nicholas  wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:44:02 -0800 (PST)
> Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Currently my only requirement for windows is the Siemens PLC
> > development software.
> 
> Siemens LOGOComfort has a Linux version which works just fine. It's a
> Java (spit!) application and so _should_ be portable anyway.
> 
> I have used Ubuntu/Debian for years on my desktop and servers
> respectively.
> 
> I have Win10 on a Dell laptop - never use it. I run Ubuntu.
> 
> This literature is being composed with Claws Mail. Generally there is
> an open source (free) equivalent for almost every application you can
> think of. The difficult bit is finding them as there is no marketing
> department bawling in your ear; you have to go and look for yourself.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Martin Nicholas.
> 
> E-mail: reply-201612@mgn.org.uk

I'll probably end up doing that with this particular netbook. It did
have XP on it (it's still on the old spinning rust hard drive) but
i'm enjoying using it for Linux at the moment. I'll probably leave this
new SSD on it and install Win 7 on it as that will run quite nicely I
think.

Linux Mint already runs perfectly on my main laptop (side installed
with Win 7) so it's all good!

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#53119

On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 09:22:04 UTC, Martin Nicholas  wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:44:02 -0800 (PST)
> Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Currently my only requirement for windows is the Siemens PLC
> > development software.
> 
> Siemens LOGOComfort has a Linux version which works just fine. It's a
> Java (spit!) application and so _should_ be portable anyway.
> 
> I have used Ubuntu/Debian for years on my desktop and servers
> respectively.
> 
> I have Win10 on a Dell laptop - never use it. I run Ubuntu.
> 
> This literature is being composed with Claws Mail. Generally there is
> an open source (free) equivalent for almost every application you can
> think of. The difficult bit is finding them as there is no marketing
> department bawling in your ear; you have to go and look for yourself.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Martin Nicholas.
> 
> E-mail: reply-201612@mgn.org.uk

Hey - don't knock Java - it's my no. 1 programming language right
now. NetBeans is the best IDE in the world IMO :-)

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#53122

On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 09:22:04 UTC, Martin Nicholas  wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:44:02 -0800 (PST)
> Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Currently my only requirement for windows is the Siemens PLC
> > development software.
> 
> Siemens LOGOComfort has a Linux version which works just fine. It's a
> Java (spit!) application and so _should_ be portable anyway.
> 
> I have used Ubuntu/Debian for years on my desktop and servers
> respectively.
> 
> I have Win10 on a Dell laptop - never use it. I run Ubuntu.
> 
> This literature is being composed with Claws Mail. Generally there is
> an open source (free) equivalent for almost every application you can
> think of. The difficult bit is finding them as there is no marketing
> department bawling in your ear; you have to go and look for yourself.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Martin Nicholas.
> 
> E-mail: reply-201612@mgn.org.uk

LogoComfort is for the little baby PLCs, yes? I need TIA for S7's
unfortunately.

SSD hard disks are now so cheap that I don't mind buying a new SSD
and trying a native install of Linux with Win 7 in a Linux hosted
VM in Oracle Virtual Box. That, or just live with GRUB and dual boot
as I have been for a couple of years now ;-)

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#53124

> This literature is being composed with Claws Mail. Generally there is
> an open source (free) equivalent for almost every application you can
> think of. The difficult bit is finding them as there is no marketing
> department bawling in your ear; you have to go and look for yourself.
> 

Thunderbird seems to be the default email and usenet client in Mint,
which I like very much, so I'm good there.

What has really helped me to make the transition has been magazines,
rather than websites. In the UK there is Linux Format magazine, which
you can pick up from most major newsagents and supermarkets. Each
issue comes with a DVD with various flavours of Linux to try out.

They have some incredible articles. Build your own CCTV monitoring system
using completely free software (for example) plus sections on coding
and general Linux operation.

The struggle for me has been the file system. It has some very different
concepts from Windows. Devices being directories in the file structure,
for example.

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#53112

Am Dienstag, 6. Dezember 2016 08:44:03 UTC+1 schrieb Mark Wills:
> Thanks I'll have a look. I'm currently using an old NetBook running Mint add my main machine as a friend has my laptop right now for doing some PLC work. It'srunning quite sluggish as it's not using any hardware acceleration. LXDE might free it up a bit. My main laptop ribs mint lije the wind. The hardware is fully recognised. 
> 
> Currently my only requirement for windows is the Siemens PLC development software.

I was really surprised to see my old netbook running faster with Win10-Home than with Xubunto or Manjaro. Disk usage was around 15 gig after cleaning out most MS apps and unnecessary processes. Good font readability has become important to me, and Win is still the best here. And I get all the right periphery drivers for my scanner and printer.

Altogether I am now mostly running SUSE in a W10-hosted Virtualbox. And it is still fast. It's the best desktop solution for me. 

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#53120

On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 05:14:49 UTC, Ron Aaron  wrote:
> On 05/12/2016 22:48, Mark Wills wrote:
> > Is there much involved in doing that? 
> > 
> Are you asking me about LXDE?  No, it was very simple (you can google
> the instructions, the process takes about 15 minutes depending on your
> internet connection).

Well that was difficult:

sudo apt install lxde

Ta dah!

Much zippier. Like it. Already changed font size etc to my preference.
Nice. Video (youtube etc) is still terrible, but that's down to know
hardware acceleration in the default video driver.

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#53125

On 12/06/2016 13:57, Mark Wills wrote:
> On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 05:14:49 UTC, Ron Aaron  wrote:
>> On 05/12/2016 22:48, Mark Wills wrote:
>>> Is there much involved in doing that? 
>>>
>> Are you asking me about LXDE?  No, it was very simple (you can google
>> the instructions, the process takes about 15 minutes depending on your
>> internet connection).
> 
> Well that was difficult:
> 
> sudo apt install lxde
> 
> Ta dah!

:)

> 
> Much zippier. Like it. Already changed font size etc to my preference.
> Nice. Video (youtube etc) is still terrible, but that's down to know
> hardware acceleration in the default video driver.

Yep.  Change your video driver, and you'll be a lot happier (or not,
depending on how painful it is to do that).

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#53129

On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 12:23:36 UTC, Ron Aaron  wrote:
> On 12/06/2016 13:57, Mark Wills wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 05:14:49 UTC, Ron Aaron  wrote:
> >> On 05/12/2016 22:48, Mark Wills wrote:
> >>> Is there much involved in doing that? 
> >>>
> >> Are you asking me about LXDE?  No, it was very simple (you can google
> >> the instructions, the process takes about 15 minutes depending on your
> >> internet connection).
> > 
> > Well that was difficult:
> > 
> > sudo apt install lxde
> > 
> > Ta dah!
> 
> :)
> 
> > 
> > Much zippier. Like it. Already changed font size etc to my preference.
> > Nice. Video (youtube etc) is still terrible, but that's down to know
> > hardware acceleration in the default video driver.
> 
> Yep.  Change your video driver, and you'll be a lot happier (or not,
> depending on how painful it is to do that).

Unfortunately it looks like my video is un-supported. Unless you can
turn anything up (if you feel so inclined).

My machine is an Acer Aspire One A0751H

I can see some jibber jabber on the web from a few years back about
video driver issues, but it's very out of date, so I assume it doesn't
apply any longer. The drivers that it mentions are (I assume) now
available to the OS at install time, so I would expect it to pick
the driver. I don't (yet) know how to confirm it though.

The Driver Manager app informs me that there are no proprietary drivers
in use.

This page doesn't bode well:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMyODA
Five Years Later, Intel Poulsbo Is Still A Linux Mess
Written by Michael Larabel in Intel on 15 March 2013

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