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  offete.com offline? hartpaulca@gmail.com - 2015-09-12 10:29 -0700
    Re: offete.com offline? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 14:08 -0400
    Re: offete.com offline? svforth@gmail.com - 2015-09-12 11:14 -0700
      Re: offete.com offline? hartpaulca@gmail.com - 2015-09-12 11:33 -0700
      Re: offete.com offline? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-12 11:44 -0700
        Re: offete.com offline? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 16:25 -0400
      Re: offete.com offline? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 16:25 -0400
        Re: offete.com offline? svforth@gmail.com - 2015-09-12 16:14 -0700
          Re: offete.com offline? chenhansunding@gmail.com - 2015-09-13 14:31 -0700
            Re: offete.com offline? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-14 15:11 -0700
            Re: offete.com offline? dylan.mcnamee@gmail.com - 2015-09-15 14:01 -0700
              Re: offete.com offline? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-15 14:11 -0700
              Re: offete.com offline? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-16 14:12 -0700
                Re: offete.com offline? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 01:06 -0700
                  Re: offete.com offline? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-17 03:57 -0700
                    Re: offete.com offline? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 01:21 -0700
                      Re: offete.com offline? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-18 11:39 -0700
                      Re: offete.com offline? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-18 16:30 -0700
                        Re: offete.com offline? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 01:08 -0700
                    Re: offete.com offline? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-09-18 04:34 -0400
                  Re: offete.com offline? dylan.mcnamee@gmail.com - 2015-09-17 08:21 -0700
                    Re: offete.com offline? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-17 14:33 -0700
                      Re: offete.com offline? dylan.mcnamee@gmail.com - 2015-09-17 14:37 -0700
                        Re: offete.com offline? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-18 16:31 -0700
                    Re: offete.com offline? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-18 10:07 -0700
                      Re: offete.com offline? "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-09-18 13:55 -0400
                        Re: offete.com offline? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-18 11:36 -0700
            Re: offete.com offline? MIchael Kalus <mik.kalus@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 14:42 -0800
              Re: offete.com offline? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 23:24 -0500
                Re: offete.com offline? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-20 22:04 -0800
                  Re: offete.com offline? MIchael Kalus <mik.kalus@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 01:46 -0800
                    Re: offete.com offline? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-12-21 14:19 +0000
              Re: offete.com offline? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-12-21 14:12 +0000
    Re: offete.com offline? MIchael Kalus <mik.kalus@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 13:04 -0800
      Re: offete.com offline? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 17:20 -0500
      Re: offete.com offline? David Schultz <abuse@127.0.0.1> - 2015-11-08 16:31 -0600
      Re: offete.com offline? visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-11-10 16:47 -0800
        Re: offete.com offline? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2015-12-22 06:19 -0800
          Re: offete.com offline? MIchael Kalus <mik.kalus@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 16:30 -0800
      Re: offete.com offline? MIchael Kalus <mik.kalus@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 14:50 -0800
    Re: offete.com offline? dave.lindbergh@gmail.com - 2016-01-01 11:03 -0800
      Re: offete.com offline? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2016-01-02 11:53 +0000
        Re: offete.com offline? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-02 16:23 +0000

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#44505

Fromdave.lindbergh@gmail.com
Date2016-01-01 11:03 -0800
Message-ID<ad3f2f77-587e-41f9-bd52-e3a935b5be27@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#41969
I'd like to get a copy of "Footsteps In An Empty Valley".

I'm writing my own Forth - for the first time - and would like look at some of the new ideas Chuck put into cmForth. 

I'm also interested if anybody has written a summary of the new ideas in Chuck's later Forths - Machine Forth, OK 386, ColorForth, etc.

Anybody how I can get in touch with Dr. Ting to get a copy of "Footsteps"?

If he's no longer selling copies on Offete, would Dr. Ting perhaps give permission for a scan and PDF distribution of the book online for free?

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#44526

FromJan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>
Date2016-01-02 11:53 +0000
Message-ID<20160102115335.45b68e69@t500>
In reply to#44505
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 11:03:55 -0800 (PST)
dave.lindbergh@gmail.com wrote:

> I'd like to get a copy of "Footsteps In An Empty Valley".
> 
I thought I had a copy, but can't find it. I found "More on
Forth Engines" from Sep 1995. This has 20 pages on the MuP21
Video Coprocessor. I could scan if anyone is interested. 

> I'm writing my own Forth - for the first time - and would like
> look at some of the new ideas Chuck put into cmForth. 
> 
Both the above publications are primarily about Forth hardware.
If this interests you, then the b16[1] is a proven practical
version of Chuck's latest few designs.  If you are interested in
the Novix style processor, the the j1[2] is a good match. 

> I'm also interested if anybody has written a summary of the
> new ideas in Chuck's later Forths - Machine Forth, OK 386,
> ColorForth, etc.

Chuck introduced address registers A, B, Top-Of-Return-Stack.
These increase flexibility in his compact hardware, and allow "@"
and "!" to be factored into instructions which each can complete
in his hardware in a single clock cycle. 

His looping primitive is simpler than DO ... LOOP as it
starts/ends at zero.

Chuck's instruction names are as short as possible, so, for
example, "XOR" is called "OR"(!!!).

There are software models of some of Chucks system software which
you can try out, to get the flavour. [3] 

In recent decades Chucks work on forth has been tightly tied to
his own hardware Stack Engine designs. Very recently he seems to
be most concerned about his health, and avoiding the detrimental
effects of regular health care(/neglect?). [4]

> Anybody how I can get in touch with Dr. Ting to get a copy of
> "Footsteps"?
> 
> If he's no longer selling copies on Offete, would Dr. Ting
> perhaps give permission for a scan and PDF distribution of the
> book online for free?

This was discussed recently, but I've not seen a simple answer
to this question yet. 

Jan Coombs
-- 
[1] bernd-paysan.de/b16.html
[2] http://www.excamera.com/sphinx/fpga-j1.html
    http://www.excamera.com/sphinx/article-j1a-swapforth.html
[3] http://www.inventio.co.uk/Forth.html
    at bottom of page, under 'colorForth'
[4] https://youtu.be/_4zZsHmhTPY
    Long video ~1.5 hrs in?

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#44534

FromAlbert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl>
Date2016-01-02 16:23 +0000
Message-ID<5687f999$0$23777$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#44526
Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> writes:

>On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 11:03:55 -0800 (PST)
>dave.lindbergh@gmail.com wrote:

>> I'd like to get a copy of "Footsteps In An Empty Valley".
>>
>I thought I had a copy, but can't find it. I found "More on
>Forth Engines" from Sep 1995. This has 20 pages on the MuP21
>Video Coprocessor. I could scan if anyone is interested.

I've found the "sc-100c , a prelude" by Ting.
It starts on page one with chinese characters and then
KUNG KUJ TZU YIN --- FOOT STEPS IN AN EMPTY VALLEY
and a melodramatic story about somebody who has left all
his friends behind and then is happy to meet one of them.
Is that what the OP meant?

If you want to understand the internals of a Forth google
for yourforth. That is an educational Forth, and you can
start experimenting with changes immediately (which is easier).

>> I'm writing my own Forth - for the first time - and would like
>> look at some of the new ideas Chuck put into cmForth.
>>
>Both the above publications are primarily about Forth hardware.
>If this interests you, then the b16[1] is a proven practical
>version of Chuck's latest few designs.  If you are interested in
>the Novix style processor, the the j1[2] is a good match.

>> I'm also interested if anybody has written a summary of the
>> new ideas in Chuck's later Forths - Machine Forth, OK 386,
>> ColorForth, etc.

>Chuck introduced address registers A, B, Top-Of-Return-Stack.
>These increase flexibility in his compact hardware, and allow "@"
>and "!" to be factored into instructions which each can complete
>in his hardware in a single clock cycle.

Summary of colorforth. Make Forth dictionary entries into objects. Use
colors as messages. Add a cumbersome keyboard layout. Use blocks and
non standard character set for source. Jazz it up, hype it up. The end.

>His looping primitive is simpler than DO ... LOOP as it
>starts/ends at zero.

>Chuck's instruction names are as short as possible, so, for
>example, "XOR" is called "OR"(!!!).

>There are software models of some of Chucks system software which
>you can try out, to get the flavour. [3]

>In recent decades Chucks work on forth has been tightly tied to
>his own hardware Stack Engine designs. Very recently he seems to
>be most concerned about his health, and avoiding the detrimental
>effects of regular health care(/neglect?). [4]

>> Anybody how I can get in touch with Dr. Ting to get a copy of
>> "Footsteps"?
>>
>> If he's no longer selling copies on Offete, would Dr. Ting
>> perhaps give permission for a scan and PDF distribution of the
>> book online for free?

>This was discussed recently, but I've not seen a simple answer
>to this question yet.

Maybe I shouldn't admit to it in public, but what I have
may be an illegal fotocopy ;-) (but hey, half of Shakespeares
plays would've been lost if it weren't for illegal copies.)

It surely is worth scanning for its historic interest, but
I doubt it as a starting point for developing a Forth.
In the meantime I'll will keep it safe it for posterity.

>Jan Coombs
>--
>[1] bernd-paysan.de/b16.html
>[2] http://www.excamera.com/sphinx/fpga-j1.html
>    http://www.excamera.com/sphinx/article-j1a-swapforth.html
>[3] http://www.inventio.co.uk/Forth.html
>    at bottom of page, under 'colorForth'
>[4] https://youtu.be/_4zZsHmhTPY
>    Long video ~1.5 hrs in?

[5] https://bitbucket.org/avanderhorst/yourforth

[6] https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/jonesforth-git-repository/
-- 
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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