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| Started by | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-04-01 12:10 -0400 |
| Last post | 2017-04-08 01:37 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 202 — 25 participants |
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Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 12:10 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-01 17:06 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 16:37 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 19:21 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-01 17:16 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 01:26 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 12:51 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 18:50 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 19:18 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 21:29 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 22:01 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-02 21:46 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 21:54 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-02 22:26 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 08:34 +0300
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-01 18:47 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 01:28 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 04:02 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 12:39 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-02 15:44 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 20:56 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 01:16 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 21:38 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-07 16:42 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-08 12:41 -0500
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-01 17:31 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-01 22:03 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 01:39 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-01 22:56 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 12:32 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 12:45 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-02 22:03 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same wordsas "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-04-13 20:31 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same wordsas "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-04-13 20:35 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same wordsas "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-04-13 20:37 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same wordsas "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 19:11 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 12:58 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-02 22:06 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-03 10:49 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 01:21 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-04-02 13:58 +0100
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 11:16 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 19:38 +0300
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-02 22:10 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-02 22:02 +0200
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-02 15:31 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 23:48 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 23:49 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 10:23 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-03 15:56 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-03 20:57 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-03 08:08 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-02 19:22 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 22:46 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 20:38 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 07:07 +0300
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 00:17 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 07:41 +0300
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-07 20:23 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 00:15 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 21:45 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-04 02:08 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 03:45 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-04 06:25 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-07 20:19 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 17:33 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-08 18:45 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 19:03 +0000
Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 08:23 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-04-06 03:02 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 15:46 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-07 18:59 +0200
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 20:57 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 20:37 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 01:31 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 21:45 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-07 20:32 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 01:31 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-08 06:18 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-08 03:01 -0700
Starting Forth (was: Is there a free version ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-08 12:34 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 15:53 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-09 09:36 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-07 20:30 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 17:51 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 01:22 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 23:01 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-08 23:23 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 17:11 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-09 18:18 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 23:05 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 03:11 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-09 12:24 +0200
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-09 14:16 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-09 13:50 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-10 06:19 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-10 11:20 +0200
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-10 18:49 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-10 19:42 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-11 15:26 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-07 10:24 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 20:42 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-07 11:28 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-09 07:32 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-08 14:30 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murpy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 16:53 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-09 14:44 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-09 08:19 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 00:26 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-09 21:39 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 07:47 +0300
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-09 21:51 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 09:18 +0300
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-10 11:41 +0200
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-10 07:57 -1000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-10 12:27 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-10 15:57 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-04-11 13:24 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-12 01:32 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 23:37 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-10 16:59 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-10 17:49 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 14:32 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 12:09 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-11 12:18 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 15:54 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 01:47 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 12:39 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 02:33 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? mhx@iae.nl - 2017-04-11 04:12 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 03:14 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 16:02 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 14:24 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 03:09 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 21:37 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 15:59 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? john <anon@example.com> - 2017-04-12 17:12 +0100
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 14:19 -0400
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 03:54 +0000
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-11 21:12 -0700
Re: Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 07:19 +0300
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 12:10 -0400 |
| Subject | Is there a free version of Forth that uses the exact same words as "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? |
| Message-ID | <oboje2$pce$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
Hey everybody! It's been a very, very long time since I posted on this site. Was away from Forth for 6 months trying to go to UOPeople, which wasn't what I expected. I started back up with Forth in Dec 2016 and nearly finished with "Starting Forth". I like taking my time to make sure I understand things very well and have already made a much of small trivial programs outside of the book, including one that was a tiny rogue game using a only 1 dimensional array as the screen buffer. It was a blast! Anyway, I've stumbled upon an issue with the book and was wondering if someone knew where I can find a free forth that works with my Raspberry Pi and uses all of the same exact words as the ones in "Starting Forth" on Forth Inc.'s site? I understand it's a tall order, but just thought I'd ask. I've already tried 4e4th, which is a great little Forth that runs on a MSP430, but it's so small that it's missing a lot of words (i.e., missing all of Chapter 3 words). I've also tried gForth which has a crazy amount of words, and has gotten me successfully up to Chapter 7, but than it too is missing a bunch of words that are in the book. I've been able to get most of Chapter 8, and 9 done and now working on Chapter 10. Whew it's been a awesome adventure! Forth is actually better than I initially thought and I can't wait to see what I learn next about it. Once I've finished both "Staring Forth" and "Thinking Forth" and gotten some experience under my belt I'll be moving on to ARM Assembly. Having those two under my belt is going to be blast! Thank you for your time, patience and understanding. Any assistance, ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated as always. Take care now, -- Darin Murphy ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 17:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <2017Apr1.190602@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> |
| In reply to | #56541 |
Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes:
> I've also tried gForth which has
> a crazy amount of words, and has gotten me successfully up to
> Chapter 7, but than it too is missing a bunch of words that are
> in the book.
I looked at the word summaries for Chapter 7 and following, and the
only word I found that's not in Gforth is OCTAL. If you find any more
words missing, please let me know.
: OCTAL 8 BASE ! ;
- anton
--
M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 16:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obp32a$1j1u$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #56546 |
anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) Wrote in message: > Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes: >> I've also tried gForth which has >> a crazy amount of words, and has gotten me successfully up to >> Chapter 7, but than it too is missing a bunch of words that are >> in the book. > > I looked at the word summaries for Chapter 7 and following, and the > only word I found that's not in Gforth is OCTAL. If you find any more > words missing, please let me know. > > : OCTAL 8 BASE ! ; > > - anton > -- > M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html > comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html > New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html > EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/ > Anton, Thanks for replying so quickly. Octal was the only word missing in gforth in that chapter, but there were other issues with gforth following chapter 7. The number examples: 12,345, 12/31/80 and 999-6784 both cause "Undefined Word" error in gForth. Only 12. will create a double on the stack. The number example $200.00 creates the double 131072 0 on TOS. The only example that works is 12. or 0. Also in the later chapters there are other compatibilities and missing words too, but I don't have time right now to pick through all of them. The reason I am looking for a 100% compatible forth is because "Starting Forth" has been used as the defacto Forth learning tool for decades, but currently there isn't a forth I can find that is compatible with it, which is strange considering it's current incarnation is supposed to be 100% ANS Forth. Take care now, Darin Murphy -- Darin Murphy ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 19:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obpcfc$e0e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56552 |
On 4/1/2017 4:37 PM, Darin Murphy wrote: > anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) Wrote in message: >> Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes: >>> I've also tried gForth which has >>> a crazy amount of words, and has gotten me successfully up to >>> Chapter 7, but than it too is missing a bunch of words that are >>> in the book. >> >> I looked at the word summaries for Chapter 7 and following, and the >> only word I found that's not in Gforth is OCTAL. If you find any more >> words missing, please let me know. >> >> : OCTAL 8 BASE ! ; >> >> - anton >> -- >> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html >> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html >> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html >> EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/ >> > > Anton, > > Thanks for replying so quickly. Octal was the only word missing in > gforth in that chapter, but there were other issues with gforth > following chapter 7. The number examples: 12,345, 12/31/80 and > 999-6784 both cause "Undefined Word" error in gForth. Only 12. > will create a double on the stack. The number example $200.00 > creates the double 131072 0 on TOS. The only example that works > is 12. or 0. Also in the later chapters there are other > compatibilities and missing words too, but I don't have time > right now to pick through all of them. > > The reason I am looking for a 100% compatible forth is because > "Starting Forth" has been used as the defacto Forth learning tool > for decades, but currently there isn't a forth I can find that is > compatible with it, which is strange considering it's current > incarnation is supposed to be 100% ANS Forth. > > Take care now, You may have come too close to calling out the troll. Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice! -- Rick C
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| From | hughaguilar96@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 17:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b99e6274-fb7d-408f-91e9-87ac4711b2eb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #56554 |
On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 4:21:05 PM UTC-7, rickman wrote: > On 4/1/2017 4:37 PM, Darin Murphy wrote: > > anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) Wrote in message: > >> Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes: > >>> I've also tried gForth which has > >>> a crazy amount of words, and has gotten me successfully up to > >>> Chapter 7, but than it too is missing a bunch of words that are > >>> in the book. > >> > >> I looked at the word summaries for Chapter 7 and following, and the > >> only word I found that's not in Gforth is OCTAL. If you find any more > >> words missing, please let me know. > >> > >> : OCTAL 8 BASE ! ; > >> > >> - anton > >> -- > >> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html > >> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html > >> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html > >> EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/ > >> > > > > Anton, > > > > Thanks for replying so quickly. Octal was the only word missing in > > gforth in that chapter, but there were other issues with gforth > > following chapter 7. The number examples: 12,345, 12/31/80 and > > 999-6784 both cause "Undefined Word" error in gForth. Only 12. > > will create a double on the stack. The number example $200.00 > > creates the double 131072 0 on TOS. The only example that works > > is 12. or 0. Also in the later chapters there are other > > compatibilities and missing words too, but I don't have time > > right now to pick through all of them. > > > > The reason I am looking for a 100% compatible forth is because > > "Starting Forth" has been used as the defacto Forth learning tool > > for decades, but currently there isn't a forth I can find that is > > compatible with it, which is strange considering it's current > > incarnation is supposed to be 100% ANS Forth. > > > > Take care now, > > You may have come too close to calling out the troll. Beetlejuice, > Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice! Darin Murphy is not a troll. Rickman is a troll --- all of these idiotic posts of his have no purpose except that he hopes somebody will respond, then he will reply with more idiocy and divert the original topic into nonsense --- but now I have responded, so he is well on his way...
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 01:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obq21i$o7g$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #56554 |
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Wrote in message: > On 4/1/2017 4:37 PM, Darin Murphy wrote: >> anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) Wrote in message: >>> Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes: >>>> I've also tried gForth which has >>>> a crazy amount of words, and has gotten me successfully up to >>>> Chapter 7, but than it too is missing a bunch of words that are >>>> in the book. >>> >>> I looked at the word summaries for Chapter 7 and following, and the >>> only word I found that's not in Gforth is OCTAL. If you find any more >>> words missing, please let me know. >>> >>> : OCTAL 8 BASE ! ; >>> >>> - anton >>> -- >>> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html >>> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html >>> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html >>> EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/ >>> >> >> Anton, >> >> Thanks for replying so quickly. Octal was the only word missing in >> gforth in that chapter, but there were other issues with gforth >> following chapter 7. The number examples: 12,345, 12/31/80 and >> 999-6784 both cause "Undefined Word" error in gForth. Only 12. >> will create a double on the stack. The number example $200.00 >> creates the double 131072 0 on TOS. The only example that works >> is 12. or 0. Also in the later chapters there are other >> compatibilities and missing words too, but I don't have time >> right now to pick through all of them. >> >> The reason I am looking for a 100% compatible forth is because >> "Starting Forth" has been used as the defacto Forth learning tool >> for decades, but currently there isn't a forth I can find that is >> compatible with it, which is strange considering it's current >> incarnation is supposed to be 100% ANS Forth. >> >> Take care now, > > You may have come too close to calling out the troll. Beetlejuice, > Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice! > > -- > > Rick C > Sorry Rick C, for giving that impression. I was just a bit confused because so many Forths that I've looked at do not have much documentation other than referring to "Staring Forth". I've really enjoyed reading it and following along it's exercises, but the further I get through the chapters ( On Chapter 10 currently ) the more I stumble with things not matching up in gforth ( Currently the only Forth that works both on my tablet and on my Raspberry Pi 3 , that I know of ) and it makes it a little frustrating. I am also reading "Thinking Forth" which really helps me understand how to build my own programs and lexicons. Currently I'm up to the chapter on creating a program that takes standard numbers and converts them to Roman Numericals. Yeah I'm sure it's pretty trivial, but for me it's a good start at understanding how to break down a problem into smaller easier pieces and whether to use logic, data or formula to solve those smaller pieces. -- Darin Murphy ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 12:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obra15$hme$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56568 |
On 4/2/2017 1:26 AM, Darin Murphy wrote: > rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Wrote in message: >> On 4/1/2017 4:37 PM, Darin Murphy wrote: >>> anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) Wrote in message: >>>> Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes: >>>>> I've also tried gForth which has >>>>> a crazy amount of words, and has gotten me successfully up to >>>>> Chapter 7, but than it too is missing a bunch of words that are >>>>> in the book. >>>> >>>> I looked at the word summaries for Chapter 7 and following, and the >>>> only word I found that's not in Gforth is OCTAL. If you find any more >>>> words missing, please let me know. >>>> >>>> : OCTAL 8 BASE ! ; >>>> >>>> - anton >>>> -- >>>> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html >>>> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html >>>> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html >>>> EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/ >>>> >>> >>> Anton, >>> >>> Thanks for replying so quickly. Octal was the only word missing in >>> gforth in that chapter, but there were other issues with gforth >>> following chapter 7. The number examples: 12,345, 12/31/80 and >>> 999-6784 both cause "Undefined Word" error in gForth. Only 12. >>> will create a double on the stack. The number example $200.00 >>> creates the double 131072 0 on TOS. The only example that works >>> is 12. or 0. Also in the later chapters there are other >>> compatibilities and missing words too, but I don't have time >>> right now to pick through all of them. >>> >>> The reason I am looking for a 100% compatible forth is because >>> "Starting Forth" has been used as the defacto Forth learning tool >>> for decades, but currently there isn't a forth I can find that is >>> compatible with it, which is strange considering it's current >>> incarnation is supposed to be 100% ANS Forth. >>> >>> Take care now, >> >> You may have come too close to calling out the troll. Beetlejuice, >> Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice! >> > > Sorry Rick C, for giving that impression. No, my bad. I wasn't trying to say you were troll baiting. This was my attempt at being funny. Seems no one got it. I just have seen so much of what sets Hugh off that I know when people inadvertently wave their red handkerchief Hugh will come charging out. > I was just a bit > confused because so many Forths that I've looked at do not have > much documentation other than referring to "Staring Forth". Yes, learning Forth from scratch can be a tough road. I'm like you in that I prefer not to find the road by exploring rough terrain. I'd much rather follow others footsteps. My goal in using Forth is not to explore Forth, but to use it. I find interesting many of the issues discussed in c.l.f but I don't often put them to practice. > I've > really enjoyed reading it and following along it's exercises, but > the further I get through the chapters ( On Chapter 10 currently > ) the more I stumble with things not matching up in gforth ( > Currently the only Forth that works both on my tablet and on my > Raspberry Pi 3 , that I know of ) and it makes it a little > frustrating. Then I would say you have come to the right place. If you wish to give back to the community, you can carefully document the problems you find and perhaps someone will come up with changes either to "Starting Forth" or a "Starting Forth" compatibility module for gForth. I'm not a frequent user of gForth, but I also have Raspberry Pis and do use it sometimes. In fact, I am currently working on a project using a TI MSP430 launchpad board and will be connecting to that through a Raspberry Pi. So gForth may feature prominently in that effort soon. > I am also reading "Thinking Forth" which really > helps me understand how to build my own programs and lexicons. > Currently I'm up to the chapter on creating a program that takes > standard numbers and converts them to Roman Numericals. Yeah I'm > sure it's pretty trivial, but for me it's a good start at > understanding how to break down a problem into smaller easier > pieces and whether to use logic, data or formula to solve those > smaller pieces. Sure, that's great. What are you thinking of using Forth for when you get out of the student stage? -- Rick C
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 18:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obrv79$1s9i$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #56597 |
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Wrote in message: > No, my bad. I wasn't trying to say you were troll baiting. This was my > attempt at being funny. Seems no one got it. > > I just have seen so much of what sets Hugh off that I know when people > inadvertently wave their red handkerchief Hugh will come charging out. It's okay. Sometimes I can't tell when other people are joking unless they literally put "j/k" at the end of a text, through at the beginner would probably be better. LOL!!! > Yes, learning Forth from scratch can be a tough road. I'm like you in > that I prefer not to find the road by exploring rough terrain. I'd much > rather follow others footsteps. My goal in using Forth is not to > explore Forth, but to use it. I find interesting many of the issues > discussed in c.l.f but I don't often put them to practice. Actually Forth seems to be easier for me than say "C++" with it's "Multiple inheritance" and at the time I was studying it "buggy templates", and both "C and C++ " have header files which I hated with a passion. Programming shouldn't be as complicated as C++ makes it. I think performing "brain surgery" with salad tongs, wearing oven mittens would simpler than writing a large database application in C++ even with it's millions of libraries. LOL!!! It's languages like C, C++ that spurred scripting languages like Python, Ruby and Javascript. Yes the newsgroup is full of years and years of useful, learning information. I sometimes just go backwards in time, reading about the different issues and their solutions that the group have posted. I tried to avoid all the noise from trolls and flame wars that went on. Thank goodness it's mostly useful information. > I'm not a frequent user of gForth, but I also have Raspberry Pis and do > use it sometimes. In fact, I am currently working on a project using a > TI MSP430 launchpad board and will be connecting to that through a > Raspberry Pi. So gForth may feature prominently in that effort soon. gForth is currently my only real choice since it works both on my Google Pixel C and my Raspberry Pi 3. It has hundreds of words, and has a very comprehensive manual the manual can be a bit cryptic at times, but overall it's been very helpful while I follow along in "Starting Forth". Dirk Bruehl from "Forth Programming Language" forum on Facebook was kind enough to send me a TI MSP430 Launchpad that comes with a tiny little MSP430G2553 preloaded with 4e4th on it! I'm able to communicate with it via minicon on my RPi 3. It's fun playing with that little guy and reminds me of the days when I had a 8088 though the later felt a lot bigger. LOL!!! The Raspberry Pi 3 is an awesome little machine. Also recently Broadcom has opened it's graphic chip, so to speak, so bare metal programming on it has become more accessible. There's even a working baremetal Forth OS based upon JonesForth called piJFORTHos: https://github.com/organix/pijFORTHos Which I'll be digging into once I can get myself another Raspberry Pi 3, which should be by the time I finish studying "Staring Forth", hopefully! LOL!!! > Sure, that's great. What are you thinking of using Forth for when you > get out of the student stage? Once I feel confident enough in Forth, I'm going to be brushing up on Assembly with ARM Asseembly. I studied and wrote 8086 assembly many years ago, but stoppend when I started looking for a good language to compliment it. C at the time was really the only language that I could find which allowed inlining with Assembly. Now that I have found Forth, I'm back in business! Well I'm going to be getting another RPi 3, and using PijFORTHos to continue my studies by adding an Assembler to it, so I can build Forth drivers to access the rest of the Raspberry Pi's hardware. It's going to be hard, but also it's going to be a blast!!! LOL!!! Take care now, -- Darin Murphy ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 19:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obs0m8$g6q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56606 |
On 4/2/2017 6:50 PM, Darin Murphy wrote: > rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Wrote in message: > >> No, my bad. I wasn't trying to say you were troll baiting. This was my >> attempt at being funny. Seems no one got it. >> >> I just have seen so much of what sets Hugh off that I know when people >> inadvertently wave their red handkerchief Hugh will come charging out. > > It's okay. Sometimes I can't tell when other people are joking > unless they literally put "j/k" at the end of a text, through at > the beginner would probably be better. LOL!!! > >> Yes, learning Forth from scratch can be a tough road. I'm like you in >> that I prefer not to find the road by exploring rough terrain. I'd much >> rather follow others footsteps. My goal in using Forth is not to >> explore Forth, but to use it. I find interesting many of the issues >> discussed in c.l.f but I don't often put them to practice. > > Actually Forth seems to be easier for me than say "C++" with it's > "Multiple inheritance" and at the time I was studying it "buggy > templates", and both "C and C++ " have header files which I hated > with a passion. Programming shouldn't be as complicated as C++ > makes it. I think performing "brain surgery" with salad tongs, > wearing oven mittens would simpler than writing a large database > application in C++ even with it's millions of libraries. LOL!!! > It's languages like C, C++ that spurred scripting languages like > Python, Ruby and Javascript. > > Yes the newsgroup is full of years and years of useful, learning > information. I sometimes just go backwards in time, reading about > the different issues and their solutions that the group have > posted. I tried to avoid all the noise from trolls and flame > wars that went on. Thank goodness it's mostly useful > information. > >> I'm not a frequent user of gForth, but I also have Raspberry Pis and do >> use it sometimes. In fact, I am currently working on a project using a >> TI MSP430 launchpad board and will be connecting to that through a >> Raspberry Pi. So gForth may feature prominently in that effort soon. > > gForth is currently my only real choice since it works both on my > Google Pixel C and my Raspberry Pi 3. It has hundreds of words, > and has a very comprehensive manual the manual can be a bit > cryptic at times, but overall it's been very helpful while I > follow along in "Starting Forth". > > Dirk Bruehl from "Forth Programming Language" forum on Facebook > was kind enough to send me a TI MSP430 Launchpad that comes with > a tiny little MSP430G2553 preloaded with 4e4th on it! I'm able to > communicate with it via minicon on my RPi 3. It's fun playing > with that little guy and reminds me of the days when I had a 8088 > though the later felt a lot bigger. LOL!!! > > The Raspberry Pi 3 is an awesome little machine. Also recently > Broadcom has opened it's graphic chip, so to speak, so bare metal > programming on it has become more accessible. There's even a > working baremetal Forth OS based upon JonesForth called > piJFORTHos: > > https://github.com/organix/pijFORTHos > > Which I'll be digging into once I can get myself another Raspberry > Pi 3, which should be by the time I finish studying "Staring > Forth", hopefully! LOL!!! > >> Sure, that's great. What are you thinking of using Forth for when you >> get out of the student stage? > > Once I feel confident enough in Forth, I'm going to be brushing up > on Assembly with ARM Asseembly. I studied and wrote 8086 assembly > many years ago, but stoppend when I started looking for a good > language to compliment it. C at the time was really the only > language that I could find which allowed inlining with Assembly. > Now that I have found Forth, I'm back in business! Well I'm going > to be getting another RPi 3, and using PijFORTHos to continue my > studies by adding an Assembler to it, so I can build Forth > drivers to access the rest of the Raspberry Pi's hardware. It's > going to be hard, but also it's going to be a blast!!! > LOL!!! If you like the launchpad, you might want to take a look at Mecrisp. I've used it on a TI ARM launchpad and now am working on an MSP430FR4133 launchpad because it has an LCD display. I found the MSP430 unit easier to get up and running because TI provides drivers that work easily. To get the ARM launchpad up and running required installation (Windows 8) an unsigned driver which is a project in itself. I ended up using the rPi just because it would flash the board. Then I remoted to the pair from the PC. I don't remember any of the details though. So far the MSP430 launchpad has been used directly from the laptop, but if I can get a remote reboot to work through a USB hub, I might remote that via the rPi as well. -- Rick C
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 21:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obs8i7$9g6$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #56607 |
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Wrote in message: > On 4/2/2017 6:50 PM, Darin Murphy wrote: >> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Wrote in message: >> >>> No, my bad. I wasn't trying to say you were troll baiting. This was my >>> attempt at being funny. Seems no one got it. >>> >>> I just have seen so much of what sets Hugh off that I know when people >>> inadvertently wave their red handkerchief Hugh will come charging out. >> >> It's okay. Sometimes I can't tell when other people are joking >> unless they literally put "j/k" at the end of a text, through at >> the beginner would probably be better. LOL!!! >> >>> Yes, learning Forth from scratch can be a tough road. I'm like you in >>> that I prefer not to find the road by exploring rough terrain. I'd much >>> rather follow others footsteps. My goal in using Forth is not to >>> explore Forth, but to use it. I find interesting many of the issues >>> discussed in c.l.f but I don't often put them to practice. >> >> Actually Forth seems to be easier for me than say "C++" with it's >> "Multiple inheritance" and at the time I was studying it "buggy >> templates", and both "C and C++ " have header files which I hated >> with a passion. Programming shouldn't be as complicated as C++ >> makes it. I think performing "brain surgery" with salad tongs, >> wearing oven mittens would simpler than writing a large database >> application in C++ even with it's millions of libraries. LOL!!! >> It's languages like C, C++ that spurred scripting languages like >> Python, Ruby and Javascript. >> >> Yes the newsgroup is full of years and years of useful, learning >> information. I sometimes just go backwards in time, reading about >> the different issues and their solutions that the group have >> posted. I tried to avoid all the noise from trolls and flame >> wars that went on. Thank goodness it's mostly useful >> information. >> >>> I'm not a frequent user of gForth, but I also have Raspberry Pis and do >>> use it sometimes. In fact, I am currently working on a project using a >>> TI MSP430 launchpad board and will be connecting to that through a >>> Raspberry Pi. So gForth may feature prominently in that effort soon. >> >> gForth is currently my only real choice since it works both on my >> Google Pixel C and my Raspberry Pi 3. It has hundreds of words, >> and has a very comprehensive manual the manual can be a bit >> cryptic at times, but overall it's been very helpful while I >> follow along in "Starting Forth". >> >> Dirk Bruehl from "Forth Programming Language" forum on Facebook >> was kind enough to send me a TI MSP430 Launchpad that comes with >> a tiny little MSP430G2553 preloaded with 4e4th on it! I'm able to >> communicate with it via minicon on my RPi 3. It's fun playing >> with that little guy and reminds me of the days when I had a 8088 >> though the later felt a lot bigger. LOL!!! >> >> The Raspberry Pi 3 is an awesome little machine. Also recently >> Broadcom has opened it's graphic chip, so to speak, so bare metal >> programming on it has become more accessible. There's even a >> working baremetal Forth OS based upon JonesForth called >> piJFORTHos: >> >> https://github.com/organix/pijFORTHos >> >> Which I'll be digging into once I can get myself another Raspberry >> Pi 3, which should be by the time I finish studying "Staring >> Forth", hopefully! LOL!!! >> >>> Sure, that's great. What are you thinking of using Forth for when you >>> get out of the student stage? >> >> Once I feel confident enough in Forth, I'm going to be brushing up >> on Assembly with ARM Asseembly. I studied and wrote 8086 assembly >> many years ago, but stoppend when I started looking for a good >> language to compliment it. C at the time was really the only >> language that I could find which allowed inlining with Assembly. >> Now that I have found Forth, I'm back in business! Well I'm going >> to be getting another RPi 3, and using PijFORTHos to continue my >> studies by adding an Assembler to it, so I can build Forth >> drivers to access the rest of the Raspberry Pi's hardware. It's >> going to be hard, but also it's going to be a blast!!! >> LOL!!! > > If you like the launchpad, you might want to take a look at Mecrisp. > I've used it on a TI ARM launchpad and now am working on an MSP430FR4133 > launchpad because it has an LCD display. I found the MSP430 unit easier > to get up and running because TI provides drivers that work easily. To > get the ARM launchpad up and running required installation (Windows 8) > an unsigned driver which is a project in itself. I ended up using the > rPi just because it would flash the board. Then I remoted to the pair > from the PC. I don't remember any of the details though. So far the > MSP430 launchpad has been used directly from the laptop, but if I can > get a remote reboot to work through a USB hub, I might remote that via > the rPi as well. > > -- > > Rick C > Rick thanks for replying, but I only own a Raspberry Pi 3 and a Google Pixel C (tablet), so no Windows anything. I connect to my Launchpad, which was loaded with 4e4th by Dirk for me, via my Raspberry Pi 3 using minicon. That launchpad is a great example of how tiny Forth can exist, and while it's a good test machine ( can't accidently destroy my Forth while programming it ), I'm looking forward to running pijForthos on another Raspberry Pi 3, which I plan on getting in a couple of months, once I finish "Starting Forth". pijForthos doesn't have video, or any real network drivers, but does allow communication and file uploads via usb-to-serial, so I'll be connecting one Raspberry Pi 3 from another using minicon like I connect to my launchpad. It's going to a an awesome experience living in a Forth world with the power of a Raspberry Pi 3. LOL!!! -- Darin Murphy ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 22:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obsae8$bv0$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #56612 |
Actually I think pijForth was built for a Raspberry Pi 2b or 2b+, but not 100% so I'm going to have to do some research. Even if it was a Pi Zero, I'd still buy it just to have Forth in it's own little world, besides a Pi Zero will still be amazing considering how tiny a ForthOS is. LOL!!! -- Darin Murphy ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 21:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87d1cu5c9p.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #56617 |
Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes: > Even if it was a Pi Zero, I'd still buy it just to have Forth in it's > own little world... Unfortunately they don't sell the Pi Zero any more, and it was never in good supply. You might be able to find one on ebay or something. They've replaced it with the Pi Zero W which has wifi, but I'm not sure at all that the other low-level interfaces are completely the same. Btw, when responding to other people's posts, it's great to supply context by including the part that you're responding to. But it's best to chop down the quote to exactly the part that's needed (like I did above with your post), rather than including their entire post.
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| From | Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 21:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <03174eeb-0ca7-4284-b15e-dd4cca0907c9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #56631 |
On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 11:46:30 PM UTC-5, Paul Rubin wrote: > Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes: > > Even if it was a Pi Zero, I'd still buy it just to have Forth in it's > > own little world... > > Unfortunately they don't sell the Pi Zero any more, and it was never in > good supply. You might be able to find one on ebay or something. > They've replaced it with the Pi Zero W which has wifi, but I'm not sure > at all that the other low-level interfaces are completely the same. > https://getchip.com/ is pretty fun, and the chip itself is cheap. The handheld's keyboard isn't pleasant.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 22:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <874ly65af4.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #56632 |
Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> writes: > https://getchip.com/ is pretty fun, and the chip itself is cheap. > The handheld's keyboard isn't pleasant. Wow, they've got some nice stuff there, some of which I didn't know about before. Almost Everything in the store is "Currently on back-order. Estimated Shipping Q1 2017." though, and we're already in Q2 :/. It's hard to tell the difference between the CHIP and CHIP PRO but that's ok ;-). From a Forth perspective these are Raspberry-Pi level computers, large enough that Forth's traditional space-saving techniques don't bring much benefit. I'd probably program them in HLL's unless there were good reasons to do otherwise. Might be a nice 8th platform, if Ron is listening ;-). This board seems to call louder for Forth: https://www.aliexpress.com/item//32369020878.html
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| From | Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-03 08:34 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <obsmo8$1cq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56634 |
On 04/03/17 08:26, Paul Rubin wrote: > From a Forth perspective these are Raspberry-Pi level computers, large > enough that Forth's traditional space-saving techniques don't bring much > benefit. I'd probably program them in HLL's unless there were good > reasons to do otherwise. > > Might be a nice 8th platform, if Ron is listening ;-). Ron is always listening :) From a cursory glance I'd guess the RPI 8th binary might "just work". If not, and if there were demand for it, I'd be happy to make a port. It's just a matter of time and money...
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| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 18:47 -1000 |
| Message-ID | <vcqdnSRF6ffDH33FnZ2dnUU7-IXNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #56552 |
On 4/1/17 10:37 AM, Darin Murphy wrote: > anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) Wrote in message: >> Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes: >>> I've also tried gForth which has >>> a crazy amount of words, and has gotten me successfully up to >>> Chapter 7, but than it too is missing a bunch of words that are >>> in the book. >> >> I looked at the word summaries for Chapter 7 and following, and the >> only word I found that's not in Gforth is OCTAL. If you find any more >> words missing, please let me know. >> >> : OCTAL 8 BASE ! ; >> >> - anton >> -- >> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html >> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html >> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html >> EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/ >> > > Anton, > > Thanks for replying so quickly. Octal was the only word missing in > gforth in that chapter, but there were other issues with gforth > following chapter 7. The number examples: 12,345, 12/31/80 and > 999-6784 both cause "Undefined Word" error in gForth. Only 12. > will create a double on the stack. The number example $200.00 > creates the double 131072 0 on TOS. The only example that works > is 12. or 0. Also in the later chapters there are other > compatibilities and missing words too, but I don't have time > right now to pick through all of them. > > The reason I am looking for a 100% compatible forth is because > "Starting Forth" has been used as the defacto Forth learning tool > for decades, but currently there isn't a forth I can find that is > compatible with it, which is strange considering it's current > incarnation is supposed to be 100% ANS Forth. Actually, Starting Forth hasn't represented mainstream Forth usage since the early 90's. There are several other good tutorials around, including my book Forth Application Techniques (Amazon) that represent more contemporary usage (co-resident under an OS, disk files for source instead of blocks, additional facilities, etc.). Cheers, Elizabeth -- Elizabeth R. Conklin FORTH, Inc. 6080 Center Drive, Suite 600 Los Angeles, CA 90045 USA
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| From | Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 01:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obq25i$o7g$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #56566 |
"Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> Wrote in message: > On 4/1/17 10:37 AM, Darin Murphy wrote: >> anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) Wrote in message: >>> Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes: >>>> I've also tried gForth which has >>>> a crazy amount of words, and has gotten me successfully up to >>>> Chapter 7, but than it too is missing a bunch of words that are >>>> in the book. >>> >>> I looked at the word summaries for Chapter 7 and following, and the >>> only word I found that's not in Gforth is OCTAL. If you find any more >>> words missing, please let me know. >>> >>> : OCTAL 8 BASE ! ; >>> >>> - anton >>> -- >>> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html >>> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html >>> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html >>> EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/ >>> >> >> Anton, >> >> Thanks for replying so quickly. Octal was the only word missing in >> gforth in that chapter, but there were other issues with gforth >> following chapter 7. The number examples: 12,345, 12/31/80 and >> 999-6784 both cause "Undefined Word" error in gForth. Only 12. >> will create a double on the stack. The number example $200.00 >> creates the double 131072 0 on TOS. The only example that works >> is 12. or 0. Also in the later chapters there are other >> compatibilities and missing words too, but I don't have time >> right now to pick through all of them. >> >> The reason I am looking for a 100% compatible forth is because >> "Starting Forth" has been used as the defacto Forth learning tool >> for decades, but currently there isn't a forth I can find that is >> compatible with it, which is strange considering it's current >> incarnation is supposed to be 100% ANS Forth. > > Actually, Starting Forth hasn't represented mainstream Forth usage since > the early 90's. There are several other good tutorials around, including > my book Forth Application Techniques (Amazon) that represent more > contemporary usage (co-resident under an OS, disk files for source > instead of blocks, additional facilities, etc.). > > Cheers, > Elizabeth > > -- > Elizabeth R. Conklin > FORTH, Inc. > 6080 Center Drive, Suite 600 > Los Angeles, CA 90045 > USA > Thanks Mrs. Conklin for your suggestion. I'll take a look at "Forth Application Techniques" as soon as I can get the money up! If you know of any other tutorials, links to further information, etc., please let me know. Take care now. -- Darin Murphy ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
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| From | lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 04:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6f3a3715-f821-4dfb-b293-a68d2250fae2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #56552 |
Den lördag 1 april 2017 kl. 22:37:33 UTC+2 skrev Darin Murphy: > anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) Wrote in message: > > Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes: > >> I've also tried gForth which has > >> a crazy amount of words, and has gotten me successfully up to > >> Chapter 7, but than it too is missing a bunch of words that are > >> in the book. > > > > I looked at the word summaries for Chapter 7 and following, and the > > only word I found that's not in Gforth is OCTAL. If you find any more > > words missing, please let me know. > > > > : OCTAL 8 BASE ! ; > > > > - anton > > -- > > M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html > > comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html > > New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html > > EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/ > > > > Anton, > > Thanks for replying so quickly. Octal was the only word missing in > gforth in that chapter, but there were other issues with gforth > following chapter 7. The number examples: 12,345, 12/31/80 and > 999-6784 both cause "Undefined Word" error in gForth. Only 12. > will create a double on the stack. The number example $200.00 > creates the double 131072 0 on TOS. The only example that works > is 12. or 0. Also in the later chapters there are other > compatibilities and missing words too, but I don't have time > right now to pick through all of them. > > The reason I am looking for a 100% compatible forth is because > "Starting Forth" has been used as the defacto Forth learning tool > for decades, but currently there isn't a forth I can find that is > compatible with it, which is strange considering it's current > incarnation is supposed to be 100% ANS Forth. > > Take care now, > > Darin Murphy > -- > Darin Murphy > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ Make a list of words that lacks or deviate. Then extend/redefine to a system equivalent with the Forth in 'Starting Forth'.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 12:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <obr9a4$egt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56582 |
On 4/2/2017 7:02 AM, lehs wrote: > Den lördag 1 april 2017 kl. 22:37:33 UTC+2 skrev Darin Murphy: >> anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) Wrote in message: >>> Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes: >>>> I've also tried gForth which has >>>> a crazy amount of words, and has gotten me successfully up to >>>> Chapter 7, but than it too is missing a bunch of words that are >>>> in the book. >>> >>> I looked at the word summaries for Chapter 7 and following, and the >>> only word I found that's not in Gforth is OCTAL. If you find any more >>> words missing, please let me know. >>> >>> : OCTAL 8 BASE ! ; >>> >>> - anton >>> -- >>> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html >>> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html >>> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html >>> EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/ >>> >> >> Anton, >> >> Thanks for replying so quickly. Octal was the only word missing in >> gforth in that chapter, but there were other issues with gforth >> following chapter 7. The number examples: 12,345, 12/31/80 and >> 999-6784 both cause "Undefined Word" error in gForth. Only 12. >> will create a double on the stack. The number example $200.00 >> creates the double 131072 0 on TOS. The only example that works >> is 12. or 0. Also in the later chapters there are other >> compatibilities and missing words too, but I don't have time >> right now to pick through all of them. >> >> The reason I am looking for a 100% compatible forth is because >> "Starting Forth" has been used as the defacto Forth learning tool >> for decades, but currently there isn't a forth I can find that is >> compatible with it, which is strange considering it's current >> incarnation is supposed to be 100% ANS Forth. >> >> Take care now, >> >> Darin Murphy >> -- >> Darin Murphy >> >> >> ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- >> http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ > > Make a list of words that lacks or deviate. Then extend/redefine to a system equivalent with the Forth in 'Starting Forth'. Really? Is that what the words, "starting Forth" mean to you? If you were selling a teenager their first car would you offer a set of wrenches in place of a warranty? -- Rick C
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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 15:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <2017Apr2.174454@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> |
| In reply to | #56552 |
Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> writes:
> The number examples: 12,345, 12/31/80 and
> 999-6784 both cause "Undefined Word" error in gForth.
SwiftForth accepts these as numbers, but I don't think there's a
version for the Raspi.
> The number example $200.00
> creates the double 131072 0 on TOS.
It does so in SwiftForth, too, and actually in any Forth-2012
compliant Forth, because the $ prefix indicates a hex number. I think
that Starting Forth shows $200.00 only as output of a number
formatting word, not as input for text interpreter number conversion.
>The reason I am looking for a 100% compatible forth is because
> "Starting Forth" has been used as the defacto Forth learning tool
> for decades, but currently there isn't a forth I can find that is
> compatible with it, which is strange considering it's current
> incarnation is supposed to be 100% ANS Forth.
OCTAL has not been standardized in ANS Forth, nor have non-digit
characters in numbers, other than "." and a "-" prefix to indicate
negation; Forth-2012 added the prefixes # (decimal), $ (hex), %
(binary), and the '<char>' notation.
- anton
--
M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/
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