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  Where can  I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Terry Gray <twgray2007@gmail.com> - 2016-05-30 13:19 -0700
    Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-05-30 16:51 -0500
      Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-30 20:23 -0700
        Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-05-31 00:19 -0500
          Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Mat <dambere@web.de> - 2016-05-31 05:33 -0700
            Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-05-31 11:45 -0500
              Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-31 10:07 -0700
              Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-06-07 12:54 -0500
                Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-06-07 12:30 -0700
                  Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-06-07 16:00 -0500
                  Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-06-07 16:11 -0500
          Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-05-31 20:32 -0500
    Re: Where can  I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 14:06 -0700
      Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-05-31 16:20 -0500
      Re: Where can  I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? thomas.goeppel@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 07:08 -0700
        Re: Where can  I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 16:19 -0700
          Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-06-13 18:37 -0500
    Re: Where can  I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2016-07-08 22:49 -0700
      Re: Where can  I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-08 23:54 -0700
        Re: Where can  I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-09 09:06 -0700
          Re: Where can  I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-07-09 21:42 +0200
            Re: Where can  I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfrze.cam> - 2016-07-10 00:01 -0400
              Re: Where can  I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-07-10 12:37 +0200

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#47641 — Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

Since, apparently Offete can't be reached (phone is out of service), does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Ting's EForth Implementation Guide?  

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#47645 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

On 5/30/2016 3:19 PM, Terry Gray wrote:
> Since, apparently Offete can't be reached (phone is out of service), does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Ting's EForth Implementation Guide?
>
I been looking for that manual and a couple of others and have not had 
much success, I did find a copy of eForth and Zen but so much of the 
literature on Forth has been lost over the years. Some of the Manuals 
were also available from Ultratechnology, but that is gone also.

Also I'm interested in a copy of machineforth, an assembler I believe by 
Chuck Moore that is simple to modify so it can be easily ported to other 
CPUs.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#47651 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:51:02 PM UTC-7, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:

> I been looking for that manual and a couple of others and have not had 

Sounds kinds sad....  :^(

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#47654 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

On 5/30/2016 10:23 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:51:02 PM UTC-7, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>
>> I been looking for that manual and a couple of others and have not had
>
> Sounds kinds sad....  :^(
>
Yes it is, people close sites and don't give a chance to anyone so they 
can mirror it and not have the knowledge and software disappear.

  I been looking for a copy of machineforth, an easy to modify Forth 
assembler but can't seem to find it anywhere. I might have to settle for 
something else, although I saw old email that that mentioned that Dr 
Ting would use it to port eForth to new chips, but his site is down, so 
I will send him an email tomorrow and see if he can help me.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#47657 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

Am Dienstag, 31. Mai 2016 07:19:57 UTC+2 schrieb Cecil - k5nwa:
> On 5/30/2016 10:23 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
> > On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:51:02 PM UTC-7, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
> >
> >> I been looking for that manual and a couple of others and have not had
> >
> > Sounds kinds sad....  :^(
> >
> Yes it is, people close sites and don't give a chance to anyone so they 
> can mirror it and not have the knowledge and software disappear.
> 
>   I been looking for a copy of machineforth, an easy to modify Forth 
> assembler but can't seem to find it anywhere. I might have to settle for 
> something else, although I saw old email that that mentioned that Dr 
> Ting would use it to port eForth to new chips, but his site is down, so 
> I will send him an email tomorrow and see if he can help me.
> 
> -- 
> Cecil - k5nwa

Hello,

related to your request for the source code of Machine Forth, take a look here:
http://www.ultratechnology.com/mfp21.htm#source

Mat.

(sorry for my English, I'm currently learning multiple languages which can result temporary in somewhat curious formulations)

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#47660 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

On 5/31/2016 7:33 AM, Mat wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 31. Mai 2016 07:19:57 UTC+2 schrieb Cecil - k5nwa:
>> On 5/30/2016 10:23 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:51:02 PM UTC-7, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>>>
>>>> I been looking for that manual and a couple of others and have not had
>>>
>>> Sounds kinds sad....  :^(
>>>
>> Yes it is, people close sites and don't give a chance to anyone so they
>> can mirror it and not have the knowledge and software disappear.
>>
>>   I been looking for a copy of machineforth, an easy to modify Forth
>> assembler but can't seem to find it anywhere. I might have to settle for
>> something else, although I saw old email that that mentioned that Dr
>> Ting would use it to port eForth to new chips, but his site is down, so
>> I will send him an email tomorrow and see if he can help me.
>>
>> --
>> Cecil - k5nwa
>
> Hello,
>
> related to your request for the source code of Machine Forth, take a look here:
> http://www.ultratechnology.com/mfp21.htm#source
>
> Mat.
>
> (sorry for my English, I'm currently learning multiple languages which can result temporary in somewhat curious formulations)
>
Thanks for the link, it will help, as it's a tutorial for the MuP21 
MachineForth I'm not sure it's complete or it doesn't have weird 
undocumented words but it will help as it describes what is going on in 
the software. I was in that site but didn't find this link so again 
Thank You.

Taking a brief look at it, it's not what some on the Internet claim it 
was so, yes it's an assembler of sorts but only because the machine its 
for has Forth primitives as its basic instructions.  I will attempt to 
get a copy that is up to date and written for standard processors it 
could still be useful for soft FPGA processors whose instruction set is 
basically Forth.

Still I  will continue looking for an easy to change assemble or 
metacompiler, any suggestions would be appreciated.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#47661 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> writes:
> Still I  will continue looking for an easy to change assemble or
> metacompiler, any suggestions would be appreciated.

No idea about MachineForth but the eForth metacompiler is on Bill
Muench's site.  I'm also interested in seeing Ting's documentation about
eForth because I've always liked his writing.  However, even though I'm
not much of a Forther, I found eForth to be pretty easy to understand by
just reading the code directly.  It was very educational in that regard.

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#47922 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

On 5/31/2016 11:45 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:

> Thanks for the link, it will help, as it's a tutorial for the MuP21
> MachineForth I'm not sure it's complete or it doesn't have weird
> undocumented words but it will help as it describes what is going on in
> the software. I was in that site but didn't find this link so again
> Thank You.
>
> Taking a brief look at it, it's not what some on the Internet claim it
> was so, yes it's an assembler of sorts but only because the machine its
> for has Forth primitives as its basic instructions.  I will attempt to
> get a copy that is up to date and written for standard processors it
> could still be useful for soft FPGA processors whose instruction set is
> basically Forth.
>
> Still I  will continue looking for an easy to change assemble or
> metacompiler, any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
I found a complete copy of machineforth for the F21, it's about 800 
lines of code for the whole thing, so maybe the ARM version at 900 is 
not far off, as an ARM CPU makes it harder to implement machineforth.

In any case I'm still looking for the Windows/PC version of machineforth 
so I can use it as a vehicle to write versions for various FPGA Forth 
CPUs that do not have available software. You would think that someone 
on this list has a copy, but no replies so far.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#47932 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> writes:
> In any case I'm still looking for the Windows/PC version of
> machineforth so I can use it as a vehicle to write versions for
> various FPGA Forth CPUs that do not have available software. 

Do you mean colorforth?  Maybe here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20101024044207/http://www.inventio.co.uk/cfdos.htm

or here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160306064822/http://www.colorforth.com/install.htm

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#47934 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

On 6/7/2016 2:30 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> writes:
>> In any case I'm still looking for the Windows/PC version of
>> machineforth so I can use it as a vehicle to write versions for
>> various FPGA Forth CPUs that do not have available software.
>
> Do you mean colorforth?  Maybe here:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20101024044207/http://www.inventio.co.uk/cfdos.htm
>
> or here:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160306064822/http://www.colorforth.com/install.htm
>
Thanks for the links.

But no, machineforth is the predecessor of colorforth which is radically 
different. computerforth is a conventional Forth compiler that is 
stripped down to a bare minimum, it's about 800 lines of code including 
an assembler/disassembler.

machineforth is a minimalist Forth compiler without the fancy color, or 
with part of the compilation taking place in the editor like colorforth. 
It is written in Forth for the F21 CPU, but there are copies mentioned 
of the version mentioned as modified to run in a Windows/DOS 
environment, that is what I'm looking for without a whole lot of success.

Below is a link to a partial description and listing;
<  http://www.ultratechnology.com/mfp21.htm#source  >

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#47936 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

On 6/7/2016 2:30 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> writes:
>> In any case I'm still looking for the Windows/PC version of
>> machineforth so I can use it as a vehicle to write versions for
>> various FPGA Forth CPUs that do not have available software.
>
> Do you mean colorforth?  Maybe here:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20101024044207/http://www.inventio.co.uk/cfdos.htm
>
> or here:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160306064822/http://www.colorforth.com/install.htm
>
I have seen machineforth mentioned as OKForth but it's the predecessor 
of colorforth.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#47675 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

On 5/31/2016 12:19 AM, Cecil Bayona wrote:
> On 5/30/2016 10:23 PM, Jason Damisch wrote:
>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:51:02 PM UTC-7, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>>
>>> I been looking for that manual and a couple of others and have not had
>>
>> Sounds kinds sad....  :^(
>>
> Yes it is, people close sites and don't give a chance to anyone so they
> can mirror it and not have the knowledge and software disappear.
>
>  I been looking for a copy of machineforth, an easy to modify Forth
> assembler but can't seem to find it anywhere. I might have to settle for
> something else, although I saw old email that that mentioned that Dr
> Ting would use it to port eForth to new chips, but his site is down, so
> I will send him an email tomorrow and see if he can help me.
>
Someone pointed me to a web page with a listing of MachineForth for the 
F21 CPU, at first I was not happy with it as it had non-standard 
primitives due to it having been written for the F21 Forth CPU, but 
after looking at it a bit I have changed my opinion on it, it's so small 
and simple that it would be rather simple to change it to work with a 
different soft FPGA CPU. So I keep searching for a real copy in case the 
web site is incomplete. If anyone has a copy I would appreciate a copy 
of it.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#47666

On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 11:19:47 PM UTC+3, Terry Gray wrote:
> Since, apparently Offete can't be reached (phone is out of service), does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Ting's EForth Implementation Guide?

Hi!
I know of "Systems Guide to figForth by C. H. Ting" at
http://forth.org/fig-forth/contents.html

I have some EForth related materials of dr.Ting:
http://wikisend.com/download/467892/eforthCD.zip

Have a nice day,
humptydumpty

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#47668 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

On 5/31/2016 4:06 PM, humptydumpty wrote:
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 11:19:47 PM UTC+3, Terry Gray wrote:
>> Since, apparently Offete can't be reached (phone is out of service), does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Ting's EForth Implementation Guide?
>
> Hi!
> I know of "Systems Guide to figForth by C. H. Ting" at
> http://forth.org/fig-forth/contents.html
>
> I have some EForth related materials of dr.Ting:
> http://wikisend.com/download/467892/eforthCD.zip
>
> Have a nice day,
> humptydumpty
>
Thank You for the links, pretty useful information, the CD specially is 
loaded with Forth an FPGA code, more stuff to pour through.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#48054

On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 11:06:13 PM UTC+2, humptydumpty wrote:
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 11:19:47 PM UTC+3, Terry Gray wrote:
> > Since, apparently Offete can't be reached (phone is out of service), does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Ting's EForth Implementation Guide?
> 
> Hi!
> I know of "Systems Guide to figForth by C. H. Ting" at
> http://forth.org/fig-forth/contents.html
> 
> I have some EForth related materials of dr.Ting:
> http://wikisend.com/download/467892/eforthCD.zip
> 
> Have a nice day,
> humptydumpty

Hello humptydumpty,

unfortunately the copy of eForthCD.zip at wikisend.com (http://wikisend.com/download/467892/eforthCD.zip) is no longer available. Could you please publish it once more?

Thanks in advance!

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#48092

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:08:42 PM UTC+3, thomas....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 11:06:13 PM UTC+2, humptydumpty wrote:
> > On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 11:19:47 PM UTC+3, Terry Gray wrote:
> > > Since, apparently Offete can't be reached (phone is out of service), does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Ting's EForth Implementation Guide?
> > 
> > Hi!
> > I know of "Systems Guide to figForth by C. H. Ting" at
> > http://forth.org/fig-forth/contents.html
> > 
> > I have some EForth related materials of dr.Ting:
> > http://wikisend.com/download/467892/eforthCD.zip
> > 
> > Have a nice day,
> > humptydumpty
> 
> Hello humptydumpty,
> 
> unfortunately the copy of eForthCD.zip at wikisend.com (http://wikisend.com/download/467892/eforthCD.zip) is no longer available. Could you please publish it once more?
> 
> Thanks in advance!

Hi!

http://wikisend.com/download/859960/eforthCD.zip

Have a nice day,
humptydumpty

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#48094 — Re: Where can I get a copy of EForth Implementation Guide?

On 6/13/2016 6:19 PM, humptydumpty wrote:
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:08:42 PM UTC+3, thomas....@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 11:06:13 PM UTC+2, humptydumpty wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 11:19:47 PM UTC+3, Terry Gray wrote:
>>>> Since, apparently Offete can't be reached (phone is out of service), does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Ting's EForth Implementation Guide?
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>> I know of "Systems Guide to figForth by C. H. Ting" at
>>> http://forth.org/fig-forth/contents.html
>>>
>>> I have some EForth related materials of dr.Ting:
>>> http://wikisend.com/download/467892/eforthCD.zip
>>>
>>> Have a nice day,
>>> humptydumpty
>>
>> Hello humptydumpty,
>>
>> unfortunately the copy of eForthCD.zip at wikisend.com (http://wikisend.com/download/467892/eforthCD.zip) is no longer available. Could you please publish it once more?
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>
> Hi!
>
> http://wikisend.com/download/859960/eforthCD.zip
>
> Have a nice day,
> humptydumpty
>
Thanks, there is very old but nice software on that CD.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#48976

On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 9:19:47 PM UTC+1, Terry Gray wrote:
> Since, apparently Offete can't be reached (phone is out of service), does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Ting's EForth Implementation Guide?

I did not read the full thread so it might be there already, but at the time I did this formatting of the documentation and Ting agreed for me to publish it, 
see point 7 at http://www.exemark.com/FORTH.htm for the PDF

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#48977

JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
> I did not read the full thread so it might be there already, but at
> the time I did this formatting of the documentation and Ting agreed
> for me to publish it,
> see point 7 at http://www.exemark.com/FORTH.htm for the PDF

Thanks Juergen, that is a nice document and I don't remember if I've
seen it before.  Note that it's about a version of eForth bootstrapped
from 8086 assembly language, unlike the original version which was
metacompiled.  Jeff Fox has a page somewhere discussing this.  I found
the actual eforth source code to be reasonably easy to understand
(unlike cmforth) but the tutorial doc is helpful too.

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#48988

On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 11:54:42 PM UTC-7, Paul Rubin wrote:
> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
> > I did not read the full thread so it might be there already, but at
> > the time I did this formatting of the documentation and Ting agreed
> > for me to publish it,
> > see point 7 at http://www.exemark.com/FORTH.htm for the PDF
> 
> Thanks Juergen, that is a nice document and I don't remember if I've
> seen it before.  Note that it's about a version of eForth bootstrapped
> from 8086 assembly language, unlike the original version which was
> metacompiled.  Jeff Fox has a page somewhere discussing this.  I found
> the actual eforth source code to be reasonably easy to understand
> (unlike cmforth) but the tutorial doc is helpful too.

This document is similar to one that was available for download (they both have the same typo in the table of register names; RP rather than BP). This document is much more extensive though --- this one would actually be useful.

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