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  when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 20:26 -0700
    Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-04-21 14:10 +1000
      Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 21:26 -0700
        Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-21 00:28 -0700
          Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 00:38 -0700
            Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 10:42 +0300
              Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-20 22:16 -1000
                Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 11:30 +0300
                  Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:01 -0700
                    Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 22:21 +0300
                      Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 16:36 -0700
                        Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 02:12 -0700
                          Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 20:47 -0700
                Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 07:20 -0400
                Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:01 -0700
            Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:01 -0700
          Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-21 19:45 -0700
            Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:02 -0700
          Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:00 -0700
        Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-04-21 23:00 -0400
          Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-22 05:15 +0000
          Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 22:23 -0700
            Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-21 23:03 -0700
              Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 23:22 -0700
                Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-22 00:24 -0700
                  Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 00:48 -0700
                    Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-22 01:22 -0700
                      Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 07:29 -0400
                        Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-22 12:01 -0500
              Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 23:53 -0700
                Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-22 00:29 -0700
                  Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 07:31 -0400
                    Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-23 04:37 -0700
                      Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 17:02 -0400
                Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-22 04:41 -0500
                  Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-22 22:27 -0700
                  Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:05 -0700
              Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 12:20 -0700
                Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 17:05 -0400
              Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:04 -0700
                Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-04-27 08:40 -0700
                  Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 21:32 -0700
            Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-04-22 23:01 -0400
              Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 22:32 -0700
            Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:03 -0700
          Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 07:21 -0400
            Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-22 08:00 -0500
              Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 06:55 -0700
              Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 09:56 -0400
                Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-22 09:03 -0500
                Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 09:17 -0700
                  Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 12:25 -0400
                    Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 09:55 -0700
                      Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:07 -0700
          Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:02 -0700
    Re: when is colorforth.com back? is anyone interviewing chuck? The Beez <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 07:54 -0700

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#57781

Rod Pemberton wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 21:26:39 -0700 (PDT)
> gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 12:11:00 AM UTC-4, HAA wrote:
> > > gavino himself wrote:
> 
> > > > I think someone in the interests of huimanity should interview
> > > > and write liek 10 books about the wisdom of chuck moore.  
> > > 
> > > Yes.  I can imagine both of you sitting down and talking about
> > > Forth.  No surprise what the questions will be.  
> > 
> > Id bet Id get better answers than from you fags.
> 
> Your usage of the last word in that sentence in that manner was once
> common in the U.S.  It isn't so much anymore, except for people of a
> certain age.  You might try using "assholes" instead.  It means the
> same as your usage, but without the implied homophobic tendencies, and
> without the unintended offense to male homosexuals.  Besides, I think
> that word means a cigarette in the U.K., and not a homosexual.  Some
> people here might be confused as to what you meant to say.
> 
> 
> Rod Pemberton

ISTM that most Brits understand it how it was meant (short for faggot),
even if a fag is a cigarette in Brit and Oz English, and even though it
has a few more meanings as well. It can even just mean "idiot", which
could be meant as well.

-- 
Rudy Velthuis        http://www.rvelthuis.de

"I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play; 
 bring a friend... if you have one." 
 -- George Bernard Shaw to Winston Churchill

"Cannot possibly attend first night, will attend second... if 
 there is one." - Winston Churchill, in response.

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#57782

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:59:19 PM UTC-5, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 21:26:39 -0700 (PDT)
> gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Id bet Id get better answers than from you fags.
> 
> Your usage of the last word in that sentence in that manner was once
> common in the U.S.

Oh gosh, let's try not to offend anyone when we insult others, OK?

> It isn't so much anymore, except for people of a
> certain age.

That 'certain age' is
1. everyone older than your dad, back to the zeroth generation; and
2. everyone younger than your son, until the last generation.

For a little while, people were obsessed with very silly things, and
the previously fastest-moving civilizations stagnated. Rather than
escape the solar system, let's learn how to express group appreciation
other than by clapping.

But the universe is moral, in a way: errors punish those who commit
them. If you build a rocket wrong it'll explode. If you embrace
communism you starve. If you throw away the traditions that kept your
society reproducing itself, it'll stop doing that. (If you keep
posting about non-Forth in a Forth group, you'll keep reading about
things what ain't Forth. If you keep flagging 'trolls' as spammers in
google groups, then you'll train the system to let actual spam
through.)

So you, your dad, and your son, your ideas might've seemed pretty
popular. You imagined that with them society had reached a new plateau
-- after all, don't societies march only upward and onward?  Isn't
everything today at least "one day better" than everything yesterday?
But you can't effectively strategize when any criticism you offer
could be taken the wrong way. You can't produce effective memes if you
can't take a joke.

You might think you can shame people forever into upholding your
vision of morality. Wasn't shame all that was ever needed? OK, shame
and consequences: if someone offends you, try to get him fired. But
the old consequences for flouting the old morality were really
brutal: disease, ugliness, weakness, smelling bad, insect infections,
desertification, getting invaded and enslaved. The new consequence of
firing people has obvious weaknesses ("fuck you" money, anonymity)
and it's ultimately self-defeating: when even very capable people get
fired, they'll just employ themselves and then employ others like
themselves. Brendan Eich and Pax Dickinson now run their own
businesses. The other new consequence of "when you ask for money from
social media, we'll get it cut off" just led to the latter opening up
his own social fundraisers on his own website.

Anyway, this is my advice to you: instead of trying LAZILY and
EFFORTLESSLY to accrue social kudos through the taking of offense on
behalf of others who are not even offended, try being SERIOUS and PUT
SOME EFFORT IN to posts about your Forth-in-C or whatever you're
working on. People will appreciate that more deeply than they will +1
of "a view I could get a dose of by turning any TV to any channel and
waiting at least until a commercial". You know that yourself, don't
you? The social kudos you get from such acts are a lie.

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#57784

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 6:23:13 AM UTC+1, Julian Fondren wrote:
> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:59:19 PM UTC-5, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 21:26:39 -0700 (PDT)
> > gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Id bet Id get better answers than from you fags.
> > 
> > Your usage of the last word in that sentence in that manner was once
> > common in the U.S.
> 
> Oh gosh, let's try not to offend anyone when we insult others, OK?
> 
> > It isn't so much anymore, except for people of a
> > certain age.
> 
> That 'certain age' is
> 1. everyone older than your dad, back to the zeroth generation; and
> 2. everyone younger than your son, until the last generation.
> 
> For a little while, people were obsessed with very silly things, and
> the previously fastest-moving civilizations stagnated. Rather than
> escape the solar system, let's learn how to express group appreciation
> other than by clapping.
> 
> But the universe is moral, in a way: errors punish those who commit
> them. If you build a rocket wrong it'll explode. If you embrace
> communism you starve. If you throw away the traditions that kept your
> society reproducing itself, it'll stop doing that. (If you keep
> posting about non-Forth in a Forth group, you'll keep reading about
> things what ain't Forth. If you keep flagging 'trolls' as spammers in
> google groups, then you'll train the system to let actual spam
> through.)
> 
> So you, your dad, and your son, your ideas might've seemed pretty
> popular. You imagined that with them society had reached a new plateau
> -- after all, don't societies march only upward and onward?  Isn't
> everything today at least "one day better" than everything yesterday?
> But you can't effectively strategize when any criticism you offer
> could be taken the wrong way. You can't produce effective memes if you
> can't take a joke.
> 
> You might think you can shame people forever into upholding your
> vision of morality. Wasn't shame all that was ever needed? OK, shame
> and consequences: if someone offends you, try to get him fired. But
> the old consequences for flouting the old morality were really
> brutal: disease, ugliness, weakness, smelling bad, insect infections,
> desertification, getting invaded and enslaved. The new consequence of
> firing people has obvious weaknesses ("fuck you" money, anonymity)
> and it's ultimately self-defeating: when even very capable people get
> fired, they'll just employ themselves and then employ others like
> themselves. Brendan Eich and Pax Dickinson now run their own
> businesses. The other new consequence of "when you ask for money from
> social media, we'll get it cut off" just led to the latter opening up
> his own social fundraisers on his own website.
> 
> Anyway, this is my advice to you: instead of trying LAZILY and
> EFFORTLESSLY to accrue social kudos through the taking of offense on
> behalf of others who are not even offended, try being SERIOUS and PUT
> SOME EFFORT IN to posts about your Forth-in-C or whatever you're
> working on. People will appreciate that more deeply than they will +1
> of "a view I could get a dose of by turning any TV to any channel and
> waiting at least until a commercial". You know that yourself, don't
> you? The social kudos you get from such acts are a lie.

HATE CRIME AGAIN ON CLF - Hugh Aguilar Typical Excrements - The Biggest Forth Killer Has Spoken Again. The same Bullshit as usual. He does not have a clue about the context but pees again all over the community.

All very nice - but if you have a rat in your house that personally attacks you  you react. You know about all the diseases they carry. For many here Hugh is such a pet who can speak some Forth what level I do not care; tickle him and he rants again, or he just rants as his wife has said NO; what has he brought to the community except for example attacking the professional people contributing people and a growing heep of shit over the years. Yes, Even killers have a mother, a family, or friends - we nevertheless put them in prison ( to protect the rest of the community) or in a mental home (same). Or we do nothing and let them kill more.
I wonder how many people interested in Forth have left the group over the years AND Forth - probably hundreds - because of Hugh Aguilar, as they cannot put up with it and rather go elsewhere; who were interested and would have contributed regarding Forth.  I am sometimes surprised about the Ethics people exhibit here.

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#57785

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 1:03:55 AM UTC-5, JUERGEN wrote:
> HATE CRIME AGAIN ON CLF - Hugh Aguilar Typical Excrements - The Biggest Forth Killer Has Spoken Again.

So you replied to Hugh, perhaps weeks ago, and then while in the
shower the next morning this brilliant reply came to you, so your
savage glee (over having this good reply) was tinged with bitterness
(over getting it too late).

What you should do in such cases is file the reply away. Don't keep
looking at it. Don't have it ready. Just stick an appropriate label on
it ("open in case of Hugh talking all American about FREEDOM of
BURGERS and SPEECH and such") and at most check the label when Hugh
annoys you later on.

Don't be so focused on the threat of a missed opportunity to deliver
the reply that you ignore entirely the threat of delivering the reply
too early -- or to the wrong person. As cutting as "Hugh Aguilar
Typical Excrements" is, it still loses much of its effect when
directed at someone other than Hugh Aguilar.

I mean, I'm sure he's still affected. He's probably sobbing right now.
But you still whiffed this one, friend.

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#57789

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 7:22:50 AM UTC+1, Julian Fondren wrote:
> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 1:03:55 AM UTC-5, JUERGEN wrote:
> > HATE CRIME AGAIN ON CLF - Hugh Aguilar Typical Excrements - The Biggest Forth Killer Has Spoken Again.
> 
> So you replied to Hugh, perhaps weeks ago, and then while in the
> shower the next morning this brilliant reply came to you, so your
> savage glee (over having this good reply) was tinged with bitterness
> (over getting it too late).
> 
> What you should do in such cases is file the reply away. Don't keep
> looking at it. Don't have it ready. Just stick an appropriate label on
> it ("open in case of Hugh talking all American about FREEDOM of
> BURGERS and SPEECH and such") and at most check the label when Hugh
> annoys you later on.
> 
> Don't be so focused on the threat of a missed opportunity to deliver
> the reply that you ignore entirely the threat of delivering the reply
> too early -- or to the wrong person. As cutting as "Hugh Aguilar
> Typical Excrements" is, it still loses much of its effect when
> directed at someone other than Hugh Aguilar.
> 
> I mean, I'm sure he's still affected. He's probably sobbing right now.
> But you still whiffed this one, friend.

Before you comment - at least read the thread - 23 hours ago and 4 hours ago - and actually time does not matter. If you get pissed at, it might have dried - it still stinks.

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#57793

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 2:24:16 AM UTC-5, JUERGEN wrote:
> 
> Before you comment - at least read the thread - 23 hours ago and 4 hours ago - and actually time does not matter. If you get pissed at, it might have dried - it still stinks.

I've read the thread. Hugh has only replied once, at the '4 hours ago'
mark. At '23 hours ago' is another post of mine.

Hugh's one post doesn't look very criminal. He called you a stalker,
which is a mild exaggeration, and then he said that your post was
loathsome. And it sure was loathsome: you suggested that someone
harass gavino's family and employer. As if they don't already have
their hands full with just gavino, day-to-day? You're not even in the
same room as gavino and he has you like this. Please, spare a thought
for them and then be silent, rather than add to their burden.

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#57795

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:48:39 AM UTC+1, Julian Fondren wrote:
> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 2:24:16 AM UTC-5, JUERGEN wrote:
> > 
> > Before you comment - at least read the thread - 23 hours ago and 4 hours ago - and actually time does not matter. If you get pissed at, it might have dried - it still stinks.
> 
> I've read the thread. Hugh has only replied once, at the '4 hours ago'
> mark. At '23 hours ago' is another post of mine.
> 
> Hugh's one post doesn't look very criminal. He called you a stalker,
> which is a mild exaggeration, and then he said that your post was
> loathsome. And it sure was loathsome: you suggested that someone
> harass gavino's family and employer. As if they don't already have
> their hands full with just gavino, day-to-day? You're not even in the
> same room as gavino and he has you like this. Please, spare a thought
> for them and then be silent, rather than add to their burden.

I do decide what seems suitable for me based on my experience with the Forth Killer Hugh Aguilar - or any other one - not you. I do react when and how I feel suitable based on my experience with the guys - if you do not like it just add me to your kill file. We live in a free world. How often did Hugh attack you directly without reason -  actually does not matter as it is then your decision to like it by default. If there are rats around you - put enough stick to protect your area - and after a while they go back to the sewers as there is stink they like better.

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#57808

On 4/22/2017 4:22 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:48:39 AM UTC+1, Julian Fondren wrote:
>> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 2:24:16 AM UTC-5, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>
>>> Before you comment - at least read the thread - 23 hours ago and 4 hours ago - and actually time does not matter. If you get pissed at, it might have dried - it still stinks.
>>
>> I've read the thread. Hugh has only replied once, at the '4 hours ago'
>> mark. At '23 hours ago' is another post of mine.
>>
>> Hugh's one post doesn't look very criminal. He called you a stalker,
>> which is a mild exaggeration, and then he said that your post was
>> loathsome. And it sure was loathsome: you suggested that someone
>> harass gavino's family and employer. As if they don't already have
>> their hands full with just gavino, day-to-day? You're not even in the
>> same room as gavino and he has you like this. Please, spare a thought
>> for them and then be silent, rather than add to their burden.
>
> I do decide what seems suitable for me based on my experience with the Forth Killer Hugh Aguilar - or any other one - not you. I do react when and how I feel suitable based on my experience with the guys - if you do not like it just add me to your kill file. We live in a free world. How often did Hugh attack you directly without reason -  actually does not matter as it is then your decision to like it by default. If there are rats around you - put enough stick to protect your area - and after a while they go back to the sewers as there is stink they like better.

I think to some extent we have a pot calling the kettle black. 
Juergen's vitriol is nearly as bad a Hugh's.  I find it laughable that 
anyone considers words typed on the Internet to be an "attack" they much 
defend against by getting someone fired or contacting their family.

I guess there isn't enough drama on TV so some folks have to come here 
for their daily dose.

-- 

Rick C

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#57834

On 4/22/2017 6:29 AM, rickman wrote:

> 
> I think to some extent we have a pot calling the kettle black. Juergen's 
> vitriol is nearly as bad a Hugh's.  I find it laughable that anyone 
> considers words typed on the Internet to be an "attack" they much defend 
> against by getting someone fired or contacting their family.
> 
> I guess there isn't enough drama on TV so some folks have to come here 
> for their daily dose.
> 

Thanks, I needed the comedy to lighten the day, I don't watch TV but 
then the Internet is a better places if one is looking for drama.

One of these days I need to get a real news reader with kill capability 
so I can cut down on the drama, that would be so much better for ones 
health and composure than getting psycho on a list.

Any recommendations for a real reader with kill capabilities, right now 
I use Thunderbird for mail, news is a side effect of it, but it does 
have a nice feature which is I can copy a news post to the mail side to 
save for prosperity, alas there are not too many post worth saving.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#57788

JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
> All very nice - but if you have a rat in your house that personally
> attacks you you react. You know about all the diseases they carry.

Bah.  Joe Armstrong, inventor of Erlang and a cool British guy,
travelled to the US a couple months ago to speak at a conference.
During his talk he mentioned that in his hotel room before the
conference started, he turned on the room's TV and saw a certain cable
news show that he didn't know about before, but is well known over here.
And he says that for the first time in his life, he found himself
shouting at a TV set, because the news host was spewing such nonsense.

Over here a lot of cable news is like that.  But it's just noise, not
diseased rats.  You get used to the idea that instead of shouting at the
TV, it's better for your peace of mind to just shut the TV off.  The
cable host can say whatever he wants, but you don't have to listen.

ObXKCD:  https://xkcd.com/386

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#57790

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 7:53:33 AM UTC+1, Paul Rubin wrote:
> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
> > All very nice - but if you have a rat in your house that personally
> > attacks you you react. You know about all the diseases they carry.
> 
> Bah.  Joe Armstrong, inventor of Erlang and a cool British guy,
> travelled to the US a couple months ago to speak at a conference.
> During his talk he mentioned that in his hotel room before the
> conference started, he turned on the room's TV and saw a certain cable
> news show that he didn't know about before, but is well known over here.
> And he says that for the first time in his life, he found himself
> shouting at a TV set, because the news host was spewing such nonsense.
> 
> Over here a lot of cable news is like that.  But it's just noise, not
> diseased rats.  You get used to the idea that instead of shouting at the
> TV, it's better for your peace of mind to just shut the TV off.  The
> cable host can say whatever he wants, but you don't have to listen.
> 
> ObXKCD:  https://xkcd.com/386

That's fine - but for me it is better to shout back; if you do not react to insults - the next one get's bigger to invoke a reaction.  Human interaction Basics. 

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#57810

On 4/22/2017 3:29 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 7:53:33 AM UTC+1, Paul Rubin wrote:
>> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
>>> All very nice - but if you have a rat in your house that personally
>>> attacks you you react. You know about all the diseases they carry.
>>
>> Bah.  Joe Armstrong, inventor of Erlang and a cool British guy,
>> travelled to the US a couple months ago to speak at a conference.
>> During his talk he mentioned that in his hotel room before the
>> conference started, he turned on the room's TV and saw a certain cable
>> news show that he didn't know about before, but is well known over here.
>> And he says that for the first time in his life, he found himself
>> shouting at a TV set, because the news host was spewing such nonsense.
>>
>> Over here a lot of cable news is like that.  But it's just noise, not
>> diseased rats.  You get used to the idea that instead of shouting at the
>> TV, it's better for your peace of mind to just shut the TV off.  The
>> cable host can say whatever he wants, but you don't have to listen.
>>
>> ObXKCD:  https://xkcd.com/386
>
> That's fine - but for me it is better to shout back; if you do not react to insults - the next one get's bigger to invoke a reaction.  Human interaction Basics.

And it is *still* just someone spewing on the Internet.  You might have 
an anxiety disorder.  Have you thought of seeing a doctor?

-- 

Rick C

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#57898

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 12:31:56 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> On 4/22/2017 3:29 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 7:53:33 AM UTC+1, Paul Rubin wrote:
> >> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
> >>> All very nice - but if you have a rat in your house that personally
> >>> attacks you you react. You know about all the diseases they carry.
> >>
> >> Bah.  Joe Armstrong, inventor of Erlang and a cool British guy,
> >> travelled to the US a couple months ago to speak at a conference.
> >> During his talk he mentioned that in his hotel room before the
> >> conference started, he turned on the room's TV and saw a certain cable
> >> news show that he didn't know about before, but is well known over here.
> >> And he says that for the first time in his life, he found himself
> >> shouting at a TV set, because the news host was spewing such nonsense.
> >>
> >> Over here a lot of cable news is like that.  But it's just noise, not
> >> diseased rats.  You get used to the idea that instead of shouting at the
> >> TV, it's better for your peace of mind to just shut the TV off.  The
> >> cable host can say whatever he wants, but you don't have to listen.
> >>
> >> ObXKCD:  https://xkcd.com/386
> >
> > That's fine - but for me it is better to shout back; if you do not react to insults - the next one get's bigger to invoke a reaction.  Human interaction Basics.
> 
> And it is *still* just someone spewing on the Internet.  You might have 
> an anxiety disorder.  Have you thought of seeing a doctor?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

I am just pissed off - as you cannot fathom this I assume we meet at the same doctor.

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#58018

On 4/23/2017 7:37 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 12:31:56 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>> On 4/22/2017 3:29 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 7:53:33 AM UTC+1, Paul Rubin wrote:
>>>> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
>>>>> All very nice - but if you have a rat in your house that personally
>>>>> attacks you you react. You know about all the diseases they carry.
>>>>
>>>> Bah.  Joe Armstrong, inventor of Erlang and a cool British guy,
>>>> travelled to the US a couple months ago to speak at a conference.
>>>> During his talk he mentioned that in his hotel room before the
>>>> conference started, he turned on the room's TV and saw a certain cable
>>>> news show that he didn't know about before, but is well known over here.
>>>> And he says that for the first time in his life, he found himself
>>>> shouting at a TV set, because the news host was spewing such nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> Over here a lot of cable news is like that.  But it's just noise, not
>>>> diseased rats.  You get used to the idea that instead of shouting at the
>>>> TV, it's better for your peace of mind to just shut the TV off.  The
>>>> cable host can say whatever he wants, but you don't have to listen.
>>>>
>>>> ObXKCD:  https://xkcd.com/386
>>>
>>> That's fine - but for me it is better to shout back; if you do not react to insults - the next one get's bigger to invoke a reaction.  Human interaction Basics.
>>
>> And it is *still* just someone spewing on the Internet.  You might have
>> an anxiety disorder.  Have you thought of seeing a doctor?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rick C
>
> I am just pissed off - as you cannot fathom this I assume we meet at the same doctor.

Oh... you are pissed off???  I would have never known!  I guess you get 
into a lot of bar fights and end up spending the night in jail a lot. 
Actually assault often carries some jail time.

I don't get why you think it is ok to throw a tantrum here when you 
wouldn't in public, or would you?

-- 

Rick C

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#57802

Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
> Over here a lot of cable news is like that.  But it's just noise, not
> diseased rats.  You get used to the idea that instead of shouting at the
> TV, it's better for your peace of mind to just shut the TV off.  The
> cable host can say whatever he wants, but you don't have to listen.

Well, yes, you can do that, but you risk being very surprised by bad
election results.

Andrew.

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#57886

Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> writes:
>> cable host can say whatever he wants, but you don't have to listen.
> Well, yes, you can do that, but you risk being very surprised by bad
> election results.

The cable hosts are not worth listening to when they're spewing
agenda-driven lies and spin.  You're better off getting your info from
more accurate sources.  If you do that, you won't face the risk that you
mention.  The election results will still be bad, but they'll no longer
surprise you.

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#58201

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 5:41:49 AM UTC-4, Andrew Haley wrote:
> Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> > Over here a lot of cable news is like that.  But it's just noise, not
> > diseased rats.  You get used to the idea that instead of shouting at the
> > TV, it's better for your peace of mind to just shut the TV off.  The
> > cable host can say whatever he wants, but you don't have to listen.
> 
> Well, yes, you can do that, but you risk being very surprised by bad
> election results.
> 
> Andrew.

I voted TRUMP!!

suprise nigga!!

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#58015

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 11:03:55 PM UTC-7, JUERGEN wrote:
> HATE CRIME AGAIN ON CLF - Hugh Aguilar Typical Excrements - The Biggest Forth Killer Has Spoken Again. The same Bullshit as usual. He does not have a clue about the context but pees again all over the community.
> 
> All very nice - but if you have a rat in your house that personally attacks you  you react. You know about all the diseases they carry. For many here Hugh is such a pet who can speak some Forth what level I do not care; tickle him and he rants again, or he just rants as his wife has said NO; what has he brought to the community except for example attacking the professional people contributing people and a growing heep of shit over the years. Yes, Even killers have a mother, a family, or friends - we nevertheless put them in prison ( to protect the rest of the community) or in a mental home (same). Or we do nothing and let them kill more.
> I wonder how many people interested in Forth have left the group over the years AND Forth - probably hundreds - because of Hugh Aguilar, as they cannot put up with it and rather go elsewhere; who were interested and would have contributed regarding Forth.  I am sometimes surprised about the Ethics people exhibit here.

This is what Stephen Pelc says about Juergen Pintaske:
http://www.mpeforth.com/sample-page/46-2/
"Juergen is our marketing and sales person promoting MPE Forth and MPE Consultancy Services."

This is why Juergen is concerned about me "attacking the professional people contributing people." He believes that MPE is Forth --- when he says that I'm a "Forth Killer" he means that I'm hindering MPE's sales of VFX --- he doesn't believe that Forth exists outside of the context of MPE.

Most likely, the "attack" that he is referring to is my writing of rquotations. Stephen Pelc has clearly stated that quotations are impossible to implement in Forth, and have no use:
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.lang.forth/2012-07/msg00791.html
I implemented rquotations under VFX and SwiftForth that have access to the parent function's local variables, which Stephen Pelc said was impossible in his article. I provided code, as well as example usage, in this thread:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.forth/ohE8mx7tWQU%5B1-25%5D
Quite humorously, Julien Fondren described my work as "hate coding" --- this term only makes sense within the context of ANS-Forth being a cult --- if ANS-Forth were a programming language, code that works would be considered to be a good thing.
Anyway, the point is that I'm writing VFX code that Stephen Pelc said was impossible. This makes Stephen Pelc look like a fool! Similarly, Stephen Pelc clearly stated that SYNONYM is impossible to write in ANS-Forth, but I wrote SYNONYM FAST-SYNONYM and ALIAS in ANS-Forth (thanks to my disambiguifiers, the existence of which Stephen Pelc refuses to acknowledge). Every time that Stephen Pelc says something is impossible, I make a point of doing just that --- I described this as a "joke" in that thread, and I thought it was quite humorous --- Juergen Pintaske doesn't find this joke to be humorous though, but instead he wants to kill me like a "sewer rat."

ANS-Forth is a cult. The kind of hate that my working ANS-Forth code inspires among the ANS-Forth enthusiasts is comparable to the kind of hate that you would get if you told the Heaven's Gate enthusiasts that God is not sending a spaceship to pick them up, or the kind of hate that you would get if you told the Jews that they are not actually "God's Chosen People" (capitalized) but that their Yahweh is just an over-grown tribal totem roughly comparable to Mumbo-Jumbo.

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#58019

On 4/24/2017 3:20 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
>
> This is what Stephen Pelc says about Juergen Pintaske:
> http://www.mpeforth.com/sample-page/46-2/ "Juergen is our marketing
> and sales person promoting MPE Forth and MPE Consultancy Services."
>
> This is why Juergen is concerned about me "attacking the professional
> people contributing people." ... when
> he says that I'm a "Forth Killer"

<insane rantings snipped>

No, he is referring to the fact that you are the one person here who 
with your ranting gives Forth a worse name than he does with his rantings.

-- 

Rick C

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#58200

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 2:03:55 AM UTC-4, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 6:23:13 AM UTC+1, Julian Fondren wrote:
> > On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:59:19 PM UTC-5, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 21:26:39 -0700 (PDT)
> > > gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Id bet Id get better answers than from you fags.
> > > 
> > > Your usage of the last word in that sentence in that manner was once
> > > common in the U.S.
> > 
> > Oh gosh, let's try not to offend anyone when we insult others, OK?
> > 
> > > It isn't so much anymore, except for people of a
> > > certain age.
> > 
> > That 'certain age' is
> > 1. everyone older than your dad, back to the zeroth generation; and
> > 2. everyone younger than your son, until the last generation.
> > 
> > For a little while, people were obsessed with very silly things, and
> > the previously fastest-moving civilizations stagnated. Rather than
> > escape the solar system, let's learn how to express group appreciation
> > other than by clapping.
> > 
> > But the universe is moral, in a way: errors punish those who commit
> > them. If you build a rocket wrong it'll explode. If you embrace
> > communism you starve. If you throw away the traditions that kept your
> > society reproducing itself, it'll stop doing that. (If you keep
> > posting about non-Forth in a Forth group, you'll keep reading about
> > things what ain't Forth. If you keep flagging 'trolls' as spammers in
> > google groups, then you'll train the system to let actual spam
> > through.)
> > 
> > So you, your dad, and your son, your ideas might've seemed pretty
> > popular. You imagined that with them society had reached a new plateau
> > -- after all, don't societies march only upward and onward?  Isn't
> > everything today at least "one day better" than everything yesterday?
> > But you can't effectively strategize when any criticism you offer
> > could be taken the wrong way. You can't produce effective memes if you
> > can't take a joke.
> > 
> > You might think you can shame people forever into upholding your
> > vision of morality. Wasn't shame all that was ever needed? OK, shame
> > and consequences: if someone offends you, try to get him fired. But
> > the old consequences for flouting the old morality were really
> > brutal: disease, ugliness, weakness, smelling bad, insect infections,
> > desertification, getting invaded and enslaved. The new consequence of
> > firing people has obvious weaknesses ("fuck you" money, anonymity)
> > and it's ultimately self-defeating: when even very capable people get
> > fired, they'll just employ themselves and then employ others like
> > themselves. Brendan Eich and Pax Dickinson now run their own
> > businesses. The other new consequence of "when you ask for money from
> > social media, we'll get it cut off" just led to the latter opening up
> > his own social fundraisers on his own website.
> > 
> > Anyway, this is my advice to you: instead of trying LAZILY and
> > EFFORTLESSLY to accrue social kudos through the taking of offense on
> > behalf of others who are not even offended, try being SERIOUS and PUT
> > SOME EFFORT IN to posts about your Forth-in-C or whatever you're
> > working on. People will appreciate that more deeply than they will +1
> > of "a view I could get a dose of by turning any TV to any channel and
> > waiting at least until a commercial". You know that yourself, don't
> > you? The social kudos you get from such acts are a lie.
> 
> HATE CRIME AGAIN ON CLF - Hugh Aguilar Typical Excrements - The Biggest Forth Killer Has Spoken Again. The same Bullshit as usual. He does not have a clue about the context but pees again all over the community.
> 
> All very nice - but if you have a rat in your house that personally attacks you  you react. You know about all the diseases they carry. For many here Hugh is such a pet who can speak some Forth what level I do not care; tickle him and he rants again, or he just rants as his wife has said NO; what has he brought to the community except for example attacking the professional people contributing people and a growing heep of shit over the years. Yes, Even killers have a mother, a family, or friends - we nevertheless put them in prison ( to protect the rest of the community) or in a mental home (same). Or we do nothing and let them kill more.
> I wonder how many people interested in Forth have left the group over the years AND Forth - probably hundreds - because of Hugh Aguilar, as they cannot put up with it and rather go elsewhere; who were interested and would have contributed regarding Forth.  I am sometimes surprised about the Ethics people exhibit here.

USA is superior to Europe in every way except Italy has some great food.

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