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why is forth not amenable to servside web development?

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  why is forth not amenable to servside web development? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 01:12 -0700
    Re: why is forth not amenable to servside web development? Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-05-20 04:29 -0400
      Re: why is forth not amenable to servside web development? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-05-20 09:20 +0000
        Re: why is forth not amenable to servside web development? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-22 11:37 -0700
          Re: why is forth not amenable to servside web development? Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-22 20:17 +0100
            Re: why is forth not amenable to servside web development? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-22 13:30 -0700
              Re: why is forth not amenable to servside web development? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 06:45 +0300
                Re: why is forth not amenable to servside web development? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 10:05 -0700
            Re: why is forth not amenable to servside web development? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 10:05 -0700
            Re: why is forth not amenable to servside web development? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 11:18 -0700
              Re: why is forth not amenable to servside web development? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-25 10:34 -0700
    Re: why is forth not amenable to servside web development? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 02:23 -0700

#59575 — why is forth not amenable to servside web development?

Fromgavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-20 01:12 -0700
Subjectwhy is forth not amenable to servside web development?
Message-ID<be8c0ba4-dd69-4cfb-80b9-29303a9e2566@googlegroups.com>
why?

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#59576

FromRod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem>
Date2017-05-20 04:29 -0400
Message-ID<20170520042924.7871eea9@_>
In reply to#59575
On Sat, 20 May 2017 01:12:42 -0700 (PDT)
gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:

> why?

My initial thought is to tell you to stop blaming Forth for your coding
failures or lack of coding, but I don't know how well Forth code handles
"servside web development."

(Was that too insensitive?)

Gav-no,

You really have two choices:

1) Do it yourself.
2) Find code for it on the web or from a company.  Google is your
friend.


Rod Pemberton
-- 
"Well, many people are really f---ing stupid too.  Should we just adopt
all their standards?" - George Carlin

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#59584

Fromstephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc)
Date2017-05-20 09:20 +0000
Message-ID<592009cd.71107970@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#59576
On Sat, 20 May 2017 04:29:24 -0400, Rod Pemberton
<NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 May 2017 01:12:42 -0700 (PDT)
>gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> why?
>
>My initial thought is to tell you to stop blaming Forth for your coding
>failures or lack of coding, but I don't know how well Forth code handles
>"servside web development."
>
>(Was that too insensitive?)
>
>Gav-no,
>
>You really have two choices:
>
>1) Do it yourself.
>2) Find code for it on the web or from a company.  Google is your
>friend.

MPE and others have been shipping wen servers with server-side
scripting for others. MPE's PowerNet has had this for 20 years or so
and we've told this to Gavino more than once. IMHO he's a troll.

Stephen

-- 
Stephen Pelc, stephenXXX@mpeforth.com
MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691
web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads

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#59733

Fromgavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-22 11:37 -0700
Message-ID<ee7cc1ae-66d7-4a8b-99e9-6fbd1bcc3afa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#59584
On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 5:20:13 AM UTC-4, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> On Sat, 20 May 2017 04:29:24 -0400, Rod Pemberton
> <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> wrote:
> 
> >On Sat, 20 May 2017 01:12:42 -0700 (PDT)
> >gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> why?
> >
> >My initial thought is to tell you to stop blaming Forth for your coding
> >failures or lack of coding, but I don't know how well Forth code handles
> >"servside web development."
> >
> >(Was that too insensitive?)
> >
> >Gav-no,
> >
> >You really have two choices:
> >
> >1) Do it yourself.
> >2) Find code for it on the web or from a company.  Google is your
> >friend.
> 
> MPE and others have been shipping wen servers with server-side
> scripting for others. MPE's PowerNet has had this for 20 years or so
> and we've told this to Gavino more than once. IMHO he's a troll.
> 
> Stephen
> 
> -- 
> Stephen Pelc, stephenXXX@mpeforth.com
> MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
> 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
> tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691
> web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads

There are not free software though?

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#59735

FromAlex <alex@rivadpm.com>
Date2017-05-22 20:17 +0100
Message-ID<ofvd99$7e3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#59733
On 5/22/2017 19:37, gavino himself wrote:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 5:20:13 AM UTC-4, Stephen Pelc wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 May 2017 04:29:24 -0400, Rod Pemberton
>> <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 20 May 2017 01:12:42 -0700 (PDT)
>>> gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> why?
>>>
>>> My initial thought is to tell you to stop blaming Forth for your coding
>>> failures or lack of coding, but I don't know how well Forth code handles
>>> "servside web development."
>>>
>>> (Was that too insensitive?)
>>>
>>> Gav-no,
>>>
>>> You really have two choices:
>>>
>>> 1) Do it yourself.
>>> 2) Find code for it on the web or from a company.  Google is your
>>> friend.
>>
>> MPE and others have been shipping wen servers with server-side
>> scripting for others. MPE's PowerNet has had this for 20 years or so
>> and we've told this to Gavino more than once. IMHO he's a troll.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> -- 
>> Stephen Pelc, stephenXXX@mpeforth.com
>> MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
>> 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
>> tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691
>> web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads
> 
> There are not free software though?
> 

Free? Gav, come on, I thought you were an uber capitalist, not some 
pinko commie latte sipper.

-- 
Alex

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#59737

Fromgavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-22 13:30 -0700
Message-ID<6814a612-bf6a-41b5-a62c-943586238d7c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#59735
On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 3:17:12 PM UTC-4, Alex wrote:
> On 5/22/2017 19:37, gavino himself wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 5:20:13 AM UTC-4, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> >> On Sat, 20 May 2017 04:29:24 -0400, Rod Pemberton
> >> <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 20 May 2017 01:12:42 -0700 (PDT)
> >>> gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> why?
> >>>
> >>> My initial thought is to tell you to stop blaming Forth for your coding
> >>> failures or lack of coding, but I don't know how well Forth code handles
> >>> "servside web development."
> >>>
> >>> (Was that too insensitive?)
> >>>
> >>> Gav-no,
> >>>
> >>> You really have two choices:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Do it yourself.
> >>> 2) Find code for it on the web or from a company.  Google is your
> >>> friend.
> >>
> >> MPE and others have been shipping wen servers with server-side
> >> scripting for others. MPE's PowerNet has had this for 20 years or so
> >> and we've told this to Gavino more than once. IMHO he's a troll.
> >>
> >> Stephen
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Stephen Pelc, stephenXXX@mpeforth.com
> >> MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
> >> 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
> >> tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691
> >> web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads
> > 
> > There are not free software though?
> > 
> 
> Free? Gav, come on, I thought you were an uber capitalist, not some 
> pinko commie latte sipper.
> 
> -- 
> Alex

Free software is the ultimate capitalism.
Take capital/code, add value to it....and make more capital!
Are you watching enough yaron brook and john a allison and jeff epstein on youtube?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I72DJJLt4xs&t=1086s

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#59740

FromRon Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-23 06:45 +0300
Message-ID<og0b1f$u5i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#59737

On 22/05/2017 23:30, gavino himself wrote:
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 3:17:12 PM UTC-4, Alex wrote:

>>> There are not free software though?
>>>
>>
>> Free? Gav, come on, I thought you were an uber capitalist, not some 
>> pinko commie latte sipper.

> Free software is the ultimate capitalism.
> Take capital/code, add value to it....and make more capital!

Cheap bastard.

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#59754

Fromgavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-23 10:05 -0700
Message-ID<3e2561c0-da09-46c2-8ebc-f6c54eee7572@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#59740
On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 11:45:03 PM UTC-4, Ron Aaron wrote:
> On 22/05/2017 23:30, gavino himself wrote:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 3:17:12 PM UTC-4, Alex wrote:
> 
> >>> There are not free software though?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Free? Gav, come on, I thought you were an uber capitalist, not some 
> >> pinko commie latte sipper.
> 
> > Free software is the ultimate capitalism.
> > Take capital/code, add value to it....and make more capital!
> 
> Cheap bastard.

I am neither you umpa lumpa with sad manners!

Remember you are not good if you give stuff free but if you don't steal or regulate by force.

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#59755

Fromgavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-23 10:05 -0700
Message-ID<c5759906-3a4f-4ee9-8139-3b2b80b4c08f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#59735
On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 3:17:12 PM UTC-4, Alex wrote:
> On 5/22/2017 19:37, gavino himself wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 5:20:13 AM UTC-4, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> >> On Sat, 20 May 2017 04:29:24 -0400, Rod Pemberton
> >> <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 20 May 2017 01:12:42 -0700 (PDT)
> >>> gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> why?
> >>>
> >>> My initial thought is to tell you to stop blaming Forth for your coding
> >>> failures or lack of coding, but I don't know how well Forth code handles
> >>> "servside web development."
> >>>
> >>> (Was that too insensitive?)
> >>>
> >>> Gav-no,
> >>>
> >>> You really have two choices:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Do it yourself.
> >>> 2) Find code for it on the web or from a company.  Google is your
> >>> friend.
> >>
> >> MPE and others have been shipping wen servers with server-side
> >> scripting for others. MPE's PowerNet has had this for 20 years or so
> >> and we've told this to Gavino more than once. IMHO he's a troll.
> >>
> >> Stephen
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Stephen Pelc, stephenXXX@mpeforth.com
> >> MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
> >> 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
> >> tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691
> >> web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads
> > 
> > There are not free software though?
> > 
> 
> Free? Gav, come on, I thought you were an uber capitalist, not some 
> pinko commie latte sipper.
> 
> -- 
> Alex

but why not web development?

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#59756

Fromlehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-23 11:18 -0700
Message-ID<682b1a96-148b-40d7-a2b3-89233dcbb751@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#59735
Den måndag 22 maj 2017 kl. 21:17:12 UTC+2 skrev Alex:
> On 5/22/2017 19:37, gavino himself wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 5:20:13 AM UTC-4, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> >> On Sat, 20 May 2017 04:29:24 -0400, Rod Pemberton
> >> <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 20 May 2017 01:12:42 -0700 (PDT)
> >>> gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> why?
> >>>
> >>> My initial thought is to tell you to stop blaming Forth for your coding
> >>> failures or lack of coding, but I don't know how well Forth code handles
> >>> "servside web development."
> >>>
> >>> (Was that too insensitive?)
> >>>
> >>> Gav-no,
> >>>
> >>> You really have two choices:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Do it yourself.
> >>> 2) Find code for it on the web or from a company.  Google is your
> >>> friend.
> >>
> >> MPE and others have been shipping wen servers with server-side
> >> scripting for others. MPE's PowerNet has had this for 20 years or so
> >> and we've told this to Gavino more than once. IMHO he's a troll.
> >>
> >> Stephen
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Stephen Pelc, stephenXXX@mpeforth.com
> >> MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
> >> 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
> >> tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691
> >> web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads
> > 
> > There are not free software though?
> > 
> 
> Free? Gav, come on, I thought you were an uber capitalist, not some 
> pinko commie latte sipper.
> 
> -- 
> Alex

One may think that the number of apps written in a certain language is proportional to the number of users, but I would guess that it is some exponential function of the number of users. The more users, the the more interest and money and investments in apps.

If there were ten times more Forth users we would have all the apps and also a Forth Operating system. But Forth community seems to have developed to an elitist community which rather quarrel than cooperates.

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#59834

Fromgavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-25 10:34 -0700
Message-ID<e5465003-bcca-4645-811f-2c503ff34009@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#59756
On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 2:18:59 PM UTC-4, lehs wrote:
> Den måndag 22 maj 2017 kl. 21:17:12 UTC+2 skrev Alex:
> > On 5/22/2017 19:37, gavino himself wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 5:20:13 AM UTC-4, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 20 May 2017 04:29:24 -0400, Rod Pemberton
> > >> <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Sat, 20 May 2017 01:12:42 -0700 (PDT)
> > >>> gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> why?
> > >>>
> > >>> My initial thought is to tell you to stop blaming Forth for your coding
> > >>> failures or lack of coding, but I don't know how well Forth code handles
> > >>> "servside web development."
> > >>>
> > >>> (Was that too insensitive?)
> > >>>
> > >>> Gav-no,
> > >>>
> > >>> You really have two choices:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1) Do it yourself.
> > >>> 2) Find code for it on the web or from a company.  Google is your
> > >>> friend.
> > >>
> > >> MPE and others have been shipping wen servers with server-side
> > >> scripting for others. MPE's PowerNet has had this for 20 years or so
> > >> and we've told this to Gavino more than once. IMHO he's a troll.
> > >>
> > >> Stephen
> > >>
> > >> -- 
> > >> Stephen Pelc, stephenXXX@mpeforth.com
> > >> MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
> > >> 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
> > >> tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691
> > >> web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads
> > > 
> > > There are not free software though?
> > > 
> > 
> > Free? Gav, come on, I thought you were an uber capitalist, not some 
> > pinko commie latte sipper.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Alex
> 
> One may think that the number of apps written in a certain language is proportional to the number of users, but I would guess that it is some exponential function of the number of users. The more users, the the more interest and money and investments in apps.
> 
> If there were ten times more Forth users we would have all the apps and also a Forth Operating system. But Forth community seems to have developed to an elitist community which rather quarrel than cooperates.

This pains me.
I can be a bugger because I love to ask big questions and don't have any mental investment in doing things any 1 way.
I am also not a very experienced programmer.
I do see a lot of time and money spent for seemingly bad results.
I wish hugh would be nicer to Mrs Rather for example and everyone not bust on me without considering my questions.
Maybe I drunk posted some zingers in the past but hey I get insulted a lot too.
Insults and sarcasm are always a sign someone doesn't know the answer.
www.happstack.com
www.gonga.com
www.hypertable.org
www.freebsd.org
all seem awesome
I use freebsd and icewM fulltime now for years.
Linux seems a bit messier than BSD and I am linux expert....I do peep at alpine linux and archlinux from time to time to see what might pop up.....openbsd is also nice, and netbsd, dragonfly I had problems getting going and didn't feel like pushing through.
I hate oracle, and dont really like windows but its ok.
meneutos.net seems interesting!! assembler os suth gui in 1-2mb
has gui web browser...and at least usb2

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#59585

FromMark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-20 02:23 -0700
Message-ID<68dacead-a9f9-4025-99a2-89f1742dd2e9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#59575
On Saturday, 20 May 2017 09:12:44 UTC+1, gavino himself  wrote:
> why?

Because there's no standard way to do sockets.

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