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Forth.org status

Started byCecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com>
First post2017-02-17 10:34 -0600
Last post2017-02-22 21:35 +1100
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  Forth.org status Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-17 10:34 -0600
    Re: Forth.org status Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 11:14 -0800
      Re: Forth.org status Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-02-17 19:25 -0500
    Re: Forth.org status Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-02-18 12:57 -0600
      Re: Forth.org status Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-18 16:56 -0600
      Re: Forth.org status Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-18 16:07 -0800
        Re: Forth.org status Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-19 09:00 -0800
          Re: Forth.org status JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-20 11:52 -0800
            Re: Forth.org status Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-20 15:30 -0600
            Re: Forth.org status Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 01:46 -0800
            Re: Forth.org status Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-21 02:43 -0800
              Re: Forth.org status Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-02-21 05:47 -0600
                Re: Forth.org status JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-21 06:00 -0800
                  Re: Forth.org status Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 08:42 -0800
                    Re: Forth.org status Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 09:35 -0800
                      Re: Forth.org status polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 12:14 -0800
                      Re: Forth.org status polymorph self <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 12:15 -0800
                    Re: Forth.org status JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-02-22 02:43 -0800
                      Re: Forth.org status rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 10:31 -0500
                    Re: Forth.org status "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-02-23 09:37 +1100
                      Re: Forth.org status Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 14:45 -0800
                        Re: Forth.org status "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-02-24 12:12 +1100
                      Re: Forth.org status hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-02-23 10:30 -0800
              Re: Forth.org status "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-02-22 21:35 +1100

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#55063

FromJulian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com>
Date2017-02-22 14:45 -0800
Message-ID<be2b93ae-5223-445d-a787-3a940086bcbf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#55062
On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 4:35:39 PM UTC-6, HAA wrote:
> Julian Fondren wrote:
> > ...
> > Archives of GENIE logs are fun and all--I really did enjoy reading
> > through them--but they aren't life-essential. Forth's growth doesn't
> > depend on anyone's ability to find a decades-untouched shareware
> > system for the Amiga.
> 
> You might be surprised.  A pre-ANS Amiga JForth provided better f/p
> functions that do some commercial ANS systems today.  Those functions
> in turn came from an individual not associated with JForth.  The notion
> that a standard such as ANS necessarily has the best people with access
> to state of art technology is at best an exaggeration and at worst naive.
> I couldn't have related this story had JForth not been released as freeware
> several years after it was no longer viable as a commercial product.
> History (assuming you kept one) shows the path taken is not always
> onward and upward.

This is a nice story, but you present it as a rebuttal.

Does Forth's growth depend on your reuse of some code from JForth?

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#55076

From"HAA" <someone@microsoft.com>
Date2017-02-24 12:12 +1100
Message-ID<o8o15n$1tik$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#55063
Julian Fondren wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 4:35:39 PM UTC-6, HAA wrote:
> > Julian Fondren wrote:
> > > ...
> > > Archives of GENIE logs are fun and all--I really did enjoy reading
> > > through them--but they aren't life-essential. Forth's growth doesn't
> > > depend on anyone's ability to find a decades-untouched shareware
> > > system for the Amiga.
> >
> > You might be surprised.  A pre-ANS Amiga JForth provided better f/p
> > functions that do some commercial ANS systems today.  Those functions
> > in turn came from an individual not associated with JForth.  The notion
> > that a standard such as ANS necessarily has the best people with access
> > to state of art technology is at best an exaggeration and at worst naive.
> > I couldn't have related this story had JForth not been released as freeware
> > several years after it was no longer viable as a commercial product.
> > History (assuming you kept one) shows the path taken is not always
> > onward and upward.
>
> This is a nice story, but you present it as a rebuttal.
>
> Does Forth's growth depend on your reuse of some code from JForth?

History informs growth (or should).


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#55074

Fromhughaguilar96@gmail.com
Date2017-02-23 10:30 -0800
Message-ID<a07cde5c-c137-48c7-8a94-c87cfe097446@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#55062
On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 3:35:39 PM UTC-7, HAA wrote:
> Julian Fondren wrote:
> > ...
> > Archives of GENIE logs are fun and all--I really did enjoy reading
> > through them--but they aren't life-essential. Forth's growth doesn't
> > depend on anyone's ability to find a decades-untouched shareware
> > system for the Amiga.
> 
> You might be surprised.  A pre-ANS Amiga JForth provided better f/p
> functions that do some commercial ANS systems today.  Those functions
> in turn came from an individual not associated with JForth.  The notion
> that a standard such as ANS necessarily has the best people with access
> to state of art technology is at best an exaggeration and at worst naive.
> I couldn't have related this story had JForth not been released as freeware
> several years after it was no longer viable as a commercial product.
> History (assuming you kept one) shows the path taken is not always
> onward and upward.

I heard a lot of good things about Jforth. The author of Jforth won a contest for fastest programmer. Everybody was given a task that they were unprepared for (in this case, printing a message on an LED display panel that they had not worked with before), then timed on how fast they could do it. Forth's interactive debugging helps a lot in programming quickly. He also presumably had a library of code already available for accessing I/O on the Amiga, so he didn't have to do cut-and-paste-and-tweak of old programs, as Elizabeth Rather's followers are required to do.

There was a lot of good Forth work being done prior to ANS-Forth --- all of that got killed by ANS-Forth --- from 1994 on, ANS-Forth has been totally focused on preventing Forth programming by declaring it to be non-standard and hence worthless.

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#55052

From"HAA" <someone@microsoft.com>
Date2017-02-22 21:35 +1100
Message-ID<o8jpdu$nfk$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#55025
Paul Rubin wrote:
> ...
> Archive.org does it automatically
> ...

I notice archive.org saves my webpage but not the files.  So authors
shouldn't rely on archive.org to save their material for posterity.


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