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  OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 09:53 -0800
    Re: OT: Linux lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 10:27 -0800
      Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 23:45 -0800
    Re: OT: Linux hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-05 11:08 -0800
    Re: OT: Linux Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 21:21 +0200
      Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 12:48 -0800
        Re: OT: Linux Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 07:14 +0200
          Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 23:44 -0800
            Re: OT: Linux Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-12-06 01:22 -0800
              Re: OT: Linux Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-12-06 03:30 -0600
              Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 03:58 -0800
            Re: OT: Linux Martin Nicholas <reply-2016@mgn.org.uk> - 2016-12-06 09:22 +0000
              Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 03:54 -0800
              Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 03:55 -0800
              Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 04:00 -0800
              Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 04:05 -0800
            Re: OT: Linux minforth@arcor.de - 2016-12-06 01:22 -0800
          Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 03:57 -0800
            Re: OT: Linux Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 14:22 +0200
              Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 04:54 -0800
                Re: OT: Linux minforth@arcor.de - 2016-12-06 11:21 -0800
                Re: OT: Linux Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2016-12-06 22:24 +0000
                  Re: OT: Linux Rob Sciuk <rob@controlq.com> - 2016-12-08 12:22 -0500
                  Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-09 01:40 -0800
      Re: OT: Linux Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-12-05 23:45 -0600
        Re: OT: Linux Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 23:38 -0800
          Re: OT: Linux Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2016-12-06 10:13 +0000

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#53139

Am Dienstag, 6. Dezember 2016 13:54:31 UTC+1 schrieb Mark Wills:
> On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 12:23:36 UTC, Ron Aaron  wrote:
> > On 12/06/2016 13:57, Mark Wills wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 05:14:49 UTC, Ron Aaron  wrote:
> > >> On 05/12/2016 22:48, Mark Wills wrote:
> > >>> Is there much involved in doing that? 
> > >>>
> > >> Are you asking me about LXDE?  No, it was very simple (you can google
> > >> the instructions, the process takes about 15 minutes depending on your
> > >> internet connection).
> > > 
> > > Well that was difficult:
> > > 
> > > sudo apt install lxde
> > > 
> > > Ta dah!
> > 
> > :)
> > 
> > > 
> > > Much zippier. Like it. Already changed font size etc to my preference.
> > > Nice. Video (youtube etc) is still terrible, but that's down to know
> > > hardware acceleration in the default video driver.
> > 
> > Yep.  Change your video driver, and you'll be a lot happier (or not,
> > depending on how painful it is to do that).
> 
> Unfortunately it looks like my video is un-supported. Unless you can
> turn anything up (if you feel so inclined).
> 
> My machine is an Acer Aspire One A0751H
> 
> I can see some jibber jabber on the web from a few years back about
> video driver issues, but it's very out of date, so I assume it doesn't
> apply any longer. The drivers that it mentions are (I assume) now
> available to the OS at install time, so I would expect it to pick
> the driver. I don't (yet) know how to confirm it though.
> 
> The Driver Manager app informs me that there are no proprietary drivers
> in use.
> 
> This page doesn't bode well:
> 
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMyODA
> Five Years Later, Intel Poulsbo Is Still A Linux Mess
> Written by Michael Larabel in Intel on 15 March 2013

Mine is an Aspire One D255 with Atom N450 CPU. With W10 I could install
all the original drivers from the Acer web site. It is now even faster
than with XP or W7 a few years ago, readability is stunning (despite that
little 1024x600 screen), and power management is better (less heat, less fan noise). One can't squeeze more drops out of the thing...  ;-)
  

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#53143

On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 04:54:30 -0800 (PST)
Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> Unfortunately it looks like my video is un-supported. Unless
> you can turn anything up (if you feel so inclined).
> 
> My machine is an Acer Aspire One A0751H

To see whats on the pci bus try:

  lspci | grep VGA

Search startup messages:

  dmesg | grep VGA

In the package manager (synaptic is cosy and not so gui)
search for "xserver-xorg-video"

If nothing more you will be able to google much more
specifically.


Jan Coombs

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#53204

On Tue, 6 Dec 2016, Jan Coombs wrote:

> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 22:24:17 +0000
> From: Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
> Subject: Re: OT: Linux
> 
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 04:54:30 -0800 (PST)
> Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately it looks like my video is un-supported. Unless
>> you can turn anything up (if you feel so inclined).
>>
>> My machine is an Acer Aspire One A0751H
>
> To see whats on the pci bus try:
>
>  lspci | grep VGA
>
> Search startup messages:
>
>  dmesg | grep VGA
>
> In the package manager (synaptic is cosy and not so gui)
> search for "xserver-xorg-video"
>
> If nothing more you will be able to google much more
> specifically.
>
>
> Jan Coombs

There was a problem with legacy Nvidia cards in the X drivers, where at a 
certain point, the older chips were not supported.  The workaround is 
simply to load the older nvidia driver as a package (apt-get install 
Nvidia-305-xx or similar -- YMMV), and then running the x configurator for 
the nvidia card.  In the meanwhile, you should be able to pick a lower 
resolution standard VESA compatible VGA setting to make X work, or you can 
simply work from a text console if you have the Unix/Linux chops for that.

Hope this helps ...

cheers,
Rob.

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#53218

On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:24:19 UTC, Jan Coombs  wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 04:54:30 -0800 (PST)
> Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> > Unfortunately it looks like my video is un-supported. Unless
> > you can turn anything up (if you feel so inclined).
> > 
> > My machine is an Acer Aspire One A0751H
> 
> To see whats on the pci bus try:
> 
>   lspci | grep VGA
> 
> Search startup messages:
> 
>   dmesg | grep VGA
> 
> In the package manager (synaptic is cosy and not so gui)
> search for "xserver-xorg-video"
> 
> If nothing more you will be able to google much more
> specifically.
> 
> 
> Jan Coombs

Thanks for the advice, Jan.

I've searched and the video hardware on my netbook is the Paulsbo hardware
(built into the Intel Atom Chipset, from what I can discern). Reading around
it seems this particular chipset is getting no love whatsoever from the 
Linux/Open Source community, due to the closed/non-proprietary nature of the
graphics hardware. I'll just let it ride as it is since I'll shortly be 
going back to my beloved 11 year old Toshiba Tecra, which runs Mint like the
wind :-)

Mark

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#53101

On 12/5/2016 1:21 PM, Ron Aaron wrote:
>
>
> On 05/12/2016 19:53, Mark Wills wrote:
>> I'm using Linux for ~95% of my personal computing needs these days.
>> Setting up a LAN with file sharing/directory browsing is bonkers
>> simple, and really fast. Well, Linux Mint (debian) makes it easy.
>>
>> Loving it.
>>
>> Just sayin'.
>
> Yep. I use Mint on my "main" machine, and it's great.  Though I did
> recently move to using the LXDE desktop to give more CPU to the more
> important stuff...
>

I also have Mint on a couple of PCs and Virtual PCs on all Windows PCs, 
I use the Cinnamon desktop. I looked up LXDE and its very similar to 
Cinnamon which is my favorite desktop with Mint.

I keep debating if I should dump Windows and switch to Linux I keep 
having major problems with Windows, unfortunately I signed up for 
preview, and now I can get off until the next non-preview release, but 
the releases have been really buggy.

The main thing that keeps holding me back is the software, mind you I 
tested a lot of my software and about 90% will run fine on Mint using 
Wine but that 10% is a deal breaker, it's my Photo, and Video editing 
software that I have not tested but I doubt it will work. Photoshop, 
Photoshop Dark Room, Photoshop Elements, DVDFAB, and Adobe Premiere 
among some of my critical must work software that I don't have a Linux 
compatible version. Interestingly my various Forth software will work 
fine under Wine, and the commercial versions, 8th, VFX Forth, and Swift 
Forth have native Linux versions available.

This PC that I'm running on right now has two SSD drives one with 
Windows 10 Pro X64 , and the other with Mint Linux X64 18.0 LTS with 
Cinnamon desktop. I been using Mint since version 10 with hardly any 
problems at all, the same can't be said for Windows although Win 10 is 
their best OS so far unless you are on a preview version..

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#53105

Why not install Linux as your native OS and install Windows as a VM? Oracle's VirtualBox hosts windows perfectly and is free. Worth a try. 

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#53114

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:38:20 -0800 (PST)
Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why not install Linux as your native OS and install Windows as
> a VM? Oracle's VirtualBox hosts windows perfectly and is free.
> Worth a try. 

You could also try this on one machine to see if you can back out
of your Windows 10 hook-in.  (For new copies of Win10 the licence
key is recoverable from the BIOS)

Every useful machine at my home and two at work have Windows
re-installed in a virtual box. This dates from  my first dual
core laptop, and includes XP, Win7, and Win10. (I once tested 
Win3.1, 95 and 98, but had forgotten how to use 3.1:)

I'm not sure if this is important, but most copies of
VirtualBox i'm using have been installed and are updated from the
Oracle repo rather than ubuntu. 

USB connections can be assigned to the virtualised machine, or
connected for one-off use with a few key strokes. Some
programming dongles need permaneny USB assignments because they
disconnect part way through the flashing process. 

Hope this helps, happy exploring, Jan Coombs
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