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BBC MicroBit has arrived - which Forth in Python is recommended for now?

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#46705

From	JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com>
Date	2016-04-21 11:54 -0700
Message-ID	<43241e2d-abab-4bca-87aa-2132580814a1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#46690

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 6:47:34 PM UTC+1, Paul Rubin wrote:
> JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> writes:
> > There are lot of programmers in Python now 
> > - just saying Forth is best has unfortunately not worked until now. 
> > - So a way would be to give them a Forth implementation in the
> > language they know , where they can look at the source code they can
> > understand to run on the MicroBit; or another device if the code is
> > available.
> 
> There's a Forth in Javascript if that's of any interest:
> 
> http://home.diphi.com/users/jeffr/forth/jsforth.html

I think I can close the loop here now. Matthias was a lot faster than I had expected and finished a Mecrisp Forth for the MicroBit;  all is where you normally find Mecrisp - switch on your PC running Linux throw the hex into the microBit folder, start your terminal at 115200 and Paul and I saw yesterday the OK and Words. Enough to check. Thanks Matthias.  https://sourceforge.net/projects/mecrisp/  Released /Target literature package for Microbit.tar.gz

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#47169

From	kiy <kiyoneda@gmail.com>
Date	2016-05-15 17:20 -0700
Message-ID	<860ffe9c-d2c1-4225-824b-5e79ff51e1bc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#46543

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 4:14:43 PM UTC+9, JUERGEN wrote:
> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
> Any help appreciated. http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
> Picture and video you can find at https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?

parable is in (micro)python.
http://www.forthworks.com/parable/

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#47827

From	Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Date	2016-06-04 22:01 +0000
Message-ID	<nivj4c$b7l$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#47169

Am Sun, 15 May 2016 17:20:32 -0700 schrieb kiy:

> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 4:14:43 PM UTC+9, JUERGEN wrote:
>> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available.

Mecrisp Stellaris 2.2 supports MicroBit (target nrf51822).

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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#47839

From	JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com>
Date	2016-06-05 08:53 -0700
Message-ID	<e7b25bcb-2a27-4bc0-a485-ecfa57b97d81@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#47827

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 11:01:50 PM UTC+1, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> Am Sun, 15 May 2016 17:20:32 -0700 schrieb kiy:
> 
> > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 4:14:43 PM UTC+9, JUERGEN wrote:
> >> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available.
> 
> Mecrisp Stellaris 2.2 supports MicroBit (target nrf51822).
> 
> -- 
> Bernd Paysan
> "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*
> http://bernd-paysan.de/

At the moment Linux only I was told by Matthias and we tried it out - we have now to wait for a MicroBit Forth Windows implementation, as the target audience here is mostly Windows PCs. I had hoped to demonstrate it at the Maker Fair we go to this  Saturday in Bristol http://www.ukesf.org/news/ukesf-joins-digimakers-microbox-project-kit/   Now it will be building up to 50 Forth MicroBoxes running from a serial Interface - which can interface to the standard MicroBit running their languages over the Internet ...

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#47840

From	JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com>
Date	2016-06-05 08:55 -0700
Message-ID	<e47432af-deaa-43ac-8b50-5ea75433fe79@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#47839

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 4:53:26 PM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 11:01:50 PM UTC+1, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> > Am Sun, 15 May 2016 17:20:32 -0700 schrieb kiy:
> > 
> > > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 4:14:43 PM UTC+9, JUERGEN wrote:
> > >> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available.
> > 
> > Mecrisp Stellaris 2.2 supports MicroBit (target nrf51822).
> > 
> > -- 
> > Bernd Paysan
> > "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> > net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*
> > http://bernd-paysan.de/
> 
> At the moment Linux only I was told by Matthias and we tried it out - we have now to wait for a MicroBit Forth Windows implementation, as the target audience here is mostly Windows PCs. I had hoped to demonstrate it at the Maker Fair we go to this  Saturday in Bristol http://www.ukesf.org/news/ukesf-joins-digimakers-microbox-project-kit/   Now it will be building up to 50 Forth MicroBoxes running from a serial Interface - which can interface to the standard MicroBit running their languages over the Internet ...

I posted the links 21 April

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#47892

From	visualforth@rocketmail.com
Date	2016-06-06 19:47 -0700
Message-ID	<700315b1-7155-4db9-ab67-cda9418bbec6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#47839

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 11:53:26 AM UTC-4, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 11:01:50 PM UTC+1, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> > Am Sun, 15 May 2016 17:20:32 -0700 schrieb kiy:
> > 
> > > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 4:14:43 PM UTC+9, JUERGEN wrote:
> > >> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available.
> > 
> > Mecrisp Stellaris 2.2 supports MicroBit (target nrf51822).
> > 
> > -- 
> > Bernd Paysan
> > "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> > net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*
> > http://bernd-paysan.de/
> 
> At the moment Linux only I was told by Matthias and we tried it out - we have now to wait for a MicroBit Forth Windows implementation, as the target audience here is mostly Windows PCs. I had hoped to demonstrate it at the Maker Fair we go to this  Saturday in Bristol http://www.ukesf.org/news/ukesf-joins-digimakers-microbox-project-kit/   Now it will be building up to 50 Forth MicroBoxes running from a serial Interface - which can interface to the standard MicroBit running their languages over the Internet ...

This is really strange! Forth targets are using a serial line and need a terminal emulator which could run on Linux or Windows. 
What's the problem?

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#47903

From	Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>
Date	2016-06-07 10:07 +0100
Message-ID	<20160607100712.0d228437@HP-6550b>
In reply to	#47892

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 19:47:04 -0700 (PDT)
visualforth@rocketmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 11:53:26 AM UTC-4, JUERGEN wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 11:01:50 PM UTC+1, Bernd Paysan
> > wrote:
> > > Am Sun, 15 May 2016 17:20:32 -0700 schrieb kiy:
> > > 
> > > > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 4:14:43 PM UTC+9, JUERGEN
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet
> > > >> available.
> > > 
> > > Mecrisp Stellaris 2.2 supports MicroBit (target nrf51822).
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Bernd Paysan
> > > "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> > > net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*
> > > http://bernd-paysan.de/
> > 
> > At the moment Linux only I was told by Matthias and we tried
> > it out - we have now to wait for a MicroBit Forth Windows
> > implementation, as the target audience here is mostly
> > Windows PCs. I had hoped to demonstrate it at the Maker Fair
> > we go to this  Saturday in Bristol
> > http://www.ukesf.org/news/ukesf-joins-digimakers-microbox-project-kit/
> > Now it will be building up to 50 Forth MicroBoxes running
> > from a serial Interface - which can interface to the
> > standard MicroBit running their languages over the
> > Internet ...
> 
> This is really strange! Forth targets are using a serial line
> and need a terminal emulator which could run on Linux or
> Windows. What's the problem?

Not sure, following Bernd's direction finds a .hex and a .bin
file for MicroBit in the distribution. When we installed the NXP
ARM Mecrisp target we just used the NXP Windows(r) programming
tool, but a free alternative on linux, to upload the image. 

I think that the MicroBit tool set has image uploader.  Linux
would be needed to rebuild Mecrisp, but that is not usually the
first job when testing a new tool.  Perhaps it is all just a
communications problem? 

Jan Coombs

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#47915

From	endlessboomcapitalism@gmail.com
Date	2016-06-07 08:43 -0700
Message-ID	<154a0c83-2346-4e8a-965f-7e1095400f98@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#46543

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 3:14:43 AM UTC-4, JUERGEN wrote:
> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
> Any help appreciated. http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
> Picture and video you can find at https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?

avoid python its just a play to get you near java cancer

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#48358

From	JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com>
Date	2016-06-19 01:20 -0700
Message-ID	<323a16af-4a4b-42e1-8f30-2787245be561@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#47915

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 4:43:52 PM UTC+1, endlessboo...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 3:14:43 AM UTC-4, JUERGEN wrote:
> > A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
> > Any help appreciated. http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
> > Picture and video you can find at https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?
> 
> avoid python its just a play to get you near java cancer

Whichever language you prefer you can pre-order you own MicroBit now. http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-product/pc-components/what-is-bbc-microbit-year7-3619250/. MicroPython included ...

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#49811

From	JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com>
Date	2016-08-06 04:13 -0700
Message-ID	<3c5972d0-d18a-442e-9f0a-9314d4cff66b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#46543

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:14:43 AM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
> Any help appreciated. http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
> Picture and video you can find at https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?

2 ARMs and a MicroBit https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
£15 to £25 depending on Kit contents - has anybody bought one yet and is running Mecrisp Forth?

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#49820

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date	2016-08-06 13:32 -0400
Message-ID	<no56vi$9qj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#49811

On 8/6/2016 7:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:14:43 AM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
>> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
>> Any help appreciated. http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
>> Picture and video you can find at https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?
>
> 2 ARMs and a MicroBit https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
> £15 to £25 depending on Kit contents - has anybody bought one yet and is running Mecrisp Forth?

I'm seeing much higher prices in the US, $50 and $75 for the "BBC 
micro:bit Activity Kit" and the "BBC micro:bit" respectively.  Any idea 
why the difference?  Exactly which products are you seeing?

-- 

Rick C

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#49821

From	Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com>
Date	2016-08-06 14:27 -0500
Message-ID	<no5dn8$qd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#49820


On 8/6/2016 12:32 PM, rickman wrote:
> On 8/6/2016 7:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:14:43 AM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
>>> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until
>>> a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is
>>> there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not
>>> the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the
>>> IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT
>>> value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
>>> Any help appreciated.
>>> http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
>>> Picture and video you can find at
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has
>>> anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?
>>
>> 2 ARMs and a MicroBit
>> https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
>>
>> £15 to £25 depending on Kit contents - has anybody bought one yet and
>> is running Mecrisp Forth?
>
> I'm seeing much higher prices in the US, $50 and $75 for the "BBC
> micro:bit Activity Kit" and the "BBC micro:bit" respectively.  Any idea
> why the difference?  Exactly which products are you seeing?
>
I wonder myself as it is a bit high priced, for less than $11 you can 
get a ST Nucleo module with a F4 CPU, lots of RAM and FLASH memory that 
has several Forth compilers available for it and can even use Visual 
Studio development software if one so desires. There are a lot of 
inexpensive small embedded computer devices, but it's hard to compete 
with these ST Nucleo and Discover series of boards, they offer low cost 
and very high performance, a tough act to beat.
-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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#49838

From	JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com>
Date	2016-08-07 03:46 -0700
Message-ID	<be0b92cc-4e50-4c2b-be3e-80fa1aea44af@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#49821

On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 8:27:39 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
> On 8/6/2016 12:32 PM, rickman wrote:
> > On 8/6/2016 7:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:14:43 AM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
> >>> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until
> >>> a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is
> >>> there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not
> >>> the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the
> >>> IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT
> >>> value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
> >>> Any help appreciated.
> >>> http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
> >>> Picture and video you can find at
> >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has
> >>> anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?
> >>
> >> 2 ARMs and a MicroBit
> >> https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
> >>
> >> £15 to £25 depending on Kit contents - has anybody bought one yet and
> >> is running Mecrisp Forth?
> >
> > I'm seeing much higher prices in the US, $50 and $75 for the "BBC
> > micro:bit Activity Kit" and the "BBC micro:bit" respectively.  Any idea
> > why the difference?  Exactly which products are you seeing?
> >
> I wonder myself as it is a bit high priced, for less than $11 you can 
> get a ST Nucleo module with a F4 CPU, lots of RAM and FLASH memory that 
> has several Forth compilers available for it and can even use Visual 
> Studio development software if one so desires. There are a lot of 
> inexpensive small embedded computer devices, but it's hard to compete 
> with these ST Nucleo and Discover series of boards, they offer low cost 
> and very high performance, a tough act to beat.
> -- 
> Cecil - k5nwa

different target market - children not you - none of the ones you mentioned comes with so much easy to understand information for free and for children with no programming background could start with them.  And there are actually applications, workshops, training on school ... 
Where is the same for Nucleo, can you supply the link please.

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#49845

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date	2016-08-07 12:31 -0400
Message-ID	<no7noq$kkp$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#49838

On 8/7/2016 6:46 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 8:27:39 PM UTC+1, Cecil - k5nwa wrote:
>> On 8/6/2016 12:32 PM, rickman wrote:
>>> On 8/6/2016 7:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:14:43 AM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>>> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until
>>>>> a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is
>>>>> there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not
>>>>> the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the
>>>>> IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT
>>>>> value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
>>>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>>> http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
>>>>> Picture and video you can find at
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has
>>>>> anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?
>>>>
>>>> 2 ARMs and a MicroBit
>>>> https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
>>>>
>>>> £15 to £25 depending on Kit contents - has anybody bought one yet and
>>>> is running Mecrisp Forth?
>>>
>>> I'm seeing much higher prices in the US, $50 and $75 for the "BBC
>>> micro:bit Activity Kit" and the "BBC micro:bit" respectively.  Any idea
>>> why the difference?  Exactly which products are you seeing?
>>>
>> I wonder myself as it is a bit high priced, for less than $11 you can
>> get a ST Nucleo module with a F4 CPU, lots of RAM and FLASH memory that
>> has several Forth compilers available for it and can even use Visual
>> Studio development software if one so desires. There are a lot of
>> inexpensive small embedded computer devices, but it's hard to compete
>> with these ST Nucleo and Discover series of boards, they offer low cost
>> and very high performance, a tough act to beat.
>> --
>> Cecil - k5nwa
>
> different target market - children not you - none of the ones you mentioned comes with so much easy to understand information for free and for children with no programming background could start with them.  And there are actually applications, workshops, training on school ...
> Where is the same for Nucleo, can you supply the link please.

I would also point out that the Microbit isn't just a board, it includes 
other hardware for various "experiments".

Contains: BBC micro:bit, USB cable, battery holder and 20x components.

-- 

Rick C

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#49837

From	JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com>
Date	2016-08-07 03:39 -0700
Message-ID	<70fbce5b-c9b4-45cc-a2ea-e09278f32d02@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#49820

On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 6:32:35 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> On 8/6/2016 7:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:14:43 AM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
> >> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
> >> Any help appreciated. http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
> >> Picture and video you can find at https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?
> >
> > 2 ARMs and a MicroBit https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
> > £15 to £25 depending on Kit contents - has anybody bought one yet and is running Mecrisp Forth?
> 
> I'm seeing much higher prices in the US, $50 and $75 for the "BBC 
> micro:bit Activity Kit" and the "BBC micro:bit" respectively.  Any idea 
> why the difference?  Exactly which products are you seeing?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

look at the shipping page: https://www.techwillsaveus.com/home/shipping/

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#49844

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date	2016-08-07 12:30 -0400
Message-ID	<no7nmm$kkp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#49837

On 8/7/2016 6:39 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 6:32:35 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>> On 8/6/2016 7:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:14:43 AM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
>>>> Any help appreciated. http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
>>>> Picture and video you can find at https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?
>>>
>>> 2 ARMs and a MicroBit https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
>>> £15 to £25 depending on Kit contents - has anybody bought one yet and is running Mecrisp Forth?
>>
>> I'm seeing much higher prices in the US, $50 and $75 for the "BBC
>> micro:bit Activity Kit" and the "BBC micro:bit" respectively.  Any idea
>> why the difference?  Exactly which products are you seeing?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rick C
>
> look at the shipping page: https://www.techwillsaveus.com/home/shipping/

That only shows the shipping costs.  I don't see the products you seem 
to be seeing.

The UK Pound is currently around $1.30 while not too long ago it was 
more like $1.50.  But even at $1.50 the £25 price you mention would only 
be $37.50.

What products do you see for £15 to £25?  Can you just tell me the names 
so I can see if they are the same ones I see?

-- 

Rick C

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#49906

From	JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com>
Date	2016-08-09 08:20 -0700
Message-ID	<2567deb8-b318-4f30-8490-8665323a67b0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#49844

On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 5:30:16 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> On 8/7/2016 6:39 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 6:32:35 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> >> On 8/6/2016 7:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:14:43 AM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
> >>>> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
> >>>> Any help appreciated. http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
> >>>> Picture and video you can find at https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?
> >>>
> >>> 2 ARMs and a MicroBit https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
> >>> £15 to £25 depending on Kit contents - has anybody bought one yet and is running Mecrisp Forth?
> >>
> >> I'm seeing much higher prices in the US, $50 and $75 for the "BBC
> >> micro:bit Activity Kit" and the "BBC micro:bit" respectively.  Any idea
> >> why the difference?  Exactly which products are you seeing?
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Rick C
> >
> > look at the shipping page: https://www.techwillsaveus.com/home/shipping/
> 
> That only shows the shipping costs.  I don't see the products you seem 
> to be seeing.
> 
> The UK Pound is currently around $1.30 while not too long ago it was 
> more like $1.50.  But even at $1.50 the £25 price you mention would only 
> be $37.50.
> 
> What products do you see for £15 to £25?  Can you just tell me the names 
> so I can see if they are the same ones I see?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

£25 for the kit at https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
The ultimate pack contains

    BBC micro:bit
    20× electronic components to build projects and activities
    USB cable to connect it to your laptop
    Battery holder to make it mobile
    No other tools required

and
£15 at https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit/ just the MicroBit; the USB cable you probably have and use it on your mobile. I actually used 5 countersunk screws and wires to connect it to a solderless breadboard

Shipping at https://www.techwillsaveus.com/home/shipping/
US
US shipping
FREE Standard Delivery on all orders over $50
US Standard Delivery – 3 to 7 days – $5.00 
Did this help and you can see it now - 3 Microbits or kits and shipment is free

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#49909

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date	2016-08-09 13:52 -0400
Message-ID	<nod58j$7vj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#49906

On 8/9/2016 11:20 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 5:30:16 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>> On 8/7/2016 6:39 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 6:32:35 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>>>> On 8/6/2016 7:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:14:43 AM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>>>> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
>>>>>> Any help appreciated. http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
>>>>>> Picture and video you can find at https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 ARMs and a MicroBit https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
>>>>> £15 to £25 depending on Kit contents - has anybody bought one yet and is running Mecrisp Forth?
>>>>
>>>> I'm seeing much higher prices in the US, $50 and $75 for the "BBC
>>>> micro:bit Activity Kit" and the "BBC micro:bit" respectively.  Any idea
>>>> why the difference?  Exactly which products are you seeing?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Rick C
>>>
>>> look at the shipping page: https://www.techwillsaveus.com/home/shipping/
>>
>> That only shows the shipping costs.  I don't see the products you seem
>> to be seeing.
>>
>> The UK Pound is currently around $1.30 while not too long ago it was
>> more like $1.50.  But even at $1.50 the £25 price you mention would only
>> be $37.50.
>>
>> What products do you see for £15 to £25?  Can you just tell me the names
>> so I can see if they are the same ones I see?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rick C
>
> £25 for the kit at https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
> The ultimate pack contains
>
>     BBC micro:bit
>     20× electronic components to build projects and activities
>     USB cable to connect it to your laptop
>     Battery holder to make it mobile
>     No other tools required
>
> and
> £15 at https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit/ just the MicroBit; the USB cable you probably have and use it on your mobile. I actually used 5 countersunk screws and wires to connect it to a solderless breadboard
>
> Shipping at https://www.techwillsaveus.com/home/shipping/
> US
> US shipping
> FREE Standard Delivery on all orders over $50
> US Standard Delivery – 3 to 7 days – $5.00
> Did this help and you can see it now - 3 Microbits or kits and shipment is free

Yes, something is wrong with their web site I suspect.  The prices for 
the units you provide links to are $50 US and $75 US with the Microbit 
board being the $75 item.  I expect they are giving US vs. UK pricing 
based on my IP address.

I think $50 for the kit is not a bad price.  $75 for the board is pretty 
high.  If the mistake they made was switching the prices, the £15 board 
would be $50 and the £25 kit would be $75.  This is still pretty high 
with a 3:1 exchange rate which is more than twice the going rate. 
Something has gone awry with their currency conversion and/or web site 
creation.

-- 

Rick C

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#49947

From	JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com>
Date	2016-08-11 03:41 -0700
Message-ID	<670ad00a-590e-43b3-98e9-22b7351f5c37@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#49909

On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 6:52:21 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> On 8/9/2016 11:20 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 5:30:16 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> >> On 8/7/2016 6:39 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 6:32:35 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
> >>>> On 8/6/2016 7:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:14:43 AM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
> >>>>>> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
> >>>>>> Any help appreciated. http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
> >>>>>> Picture and video you can find at https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2 ARMs and a MicroBit https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
> >>>>> £15 to £25 depending on Kit contents - has anybody bought one yet and is running Mecrisp Forth?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm seeing much higher prices in the US, $50 and $75 for the "BBC
> >>>> micro:bit Activity Kit" and the "BBC micro:bit" respectively.  Any idea
> >>>> why the difference?  Exactly which products are you seeing?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick C
> >>>
> >>> look at the shipping page: https://www.techwillsaveus.com/home/shipping/
> >>
> >> That only shows the shipping costs.  I don't see the products you seem
> >> to be seeing.
> >>
> >> The UK Pound is currently around $1.30 while not too long ago it was
> >> more like $1.50.  But even at $1.50 the £25 price you mention would only
> >> be $37.50.
> >>
> >> What products do you see for £15 to £25?  Can you just tell me the names
> >> so I can see if they are the same ones I see?
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Rick C
> >
> > £25 for the kit at https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
> > The ultimate pack contains
> >
> >     BBC micro:bit
> >     20× electronic components to build projects and activities
> >     USB cable to connect it to your laptop
> >     Battery holder to make it mobile
> >     No other tools required
> >
> > and
> > £15 at https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit/ just the MicroBit; the USB cable you probably have and use it on your mobile. I actually used 5 countersunk screws and wires to connect it to a solderless breadboard
> >
> > Shipping at https://www.techwillsaveus.com/home/shipping/
> > US
> > US shipping
> > FREE Standard Delivery on all orders over $50
> > US Standard Delivery – 3 to 7 days – $5.00
> > Did this help and you can see it now - 3 Microbits or kits and shipment is free
> 
> Yes, something is wrong with their web site I suspect.  The prices for 
> the units you provide links to are $50 US and $75 US with the Microbit 
> board being the $75 item.  I expect they are giving US vs. UK pricing 
> based on my IP address.
> 
> I think $50 for the kit is not a bad price.  $75 for the board is pretty 
> high.  If the mistake they made was switching the prices, the £15 board 
> would be $50 and the £25 kit would be $75.  This is still pretty high 
> with a 3:1 exchange rate which is more than twice the going rate. 
> Something has gone awry with their currency conversion and/or web site 
> creation.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick C

Well, there are the proven old methods if you really want one: call or email
https://www.facebook.com/techwillsaveus/app/100265896690345/
and the relevant data from there: 
Founded on January 1, 2012
Short Description:
We create DIY gadget kits that encourage everyone to make, play code and invent with technology.
Mission:
Technology Will Save Us is one of the UK's most exciting design-led, technology start-ups focused on learning. We are on a m... See More
Phone: 020 3004 8843
Email: info@techwillsaveus.com
Website: http://www.techwillsaveus.com
I do not think there is anything more I can do for you

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#49961

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date	2016-08-11 17:56 -0400
Message-ID	<noisb8$vup$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#49947

On 8/11/2016 6:41 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 6:52:21 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>> On 8/9/2016 11:20 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 5:30:16 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>>>> On 8/7/2016 6:39 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 6:32:35 PM UTC+1, rickman wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/6/2016 7:13 AM, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:14:43 AM UTC+1, JUERGEN wrote:
>>>>>>>> A MicroBit has arrived on my desk, but no Forth yet available. Until a real Forth is running, and as Python is a supported language - is there a Forth out there in Python I could load and run? Speed is not the issue for now nor is completeness. I mainly want to control the IOs, and the 25 LEDs are just enough to display ok, or a 4 Bit INPUT value, a 4 bit OUTPUT value - and 3 levels of Stack ...
>>>>>>>> Any help appreciated. http://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.org/en/latest/.
>>>>>>>> Picture and video you can find at https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/?fref=ts. Has anybody re-written JonesForth in Python?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2 ARMs and a MicroBit https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
>>>>>>> £15 to £25 depending on Kit contents - has anybody bought one yet and is running Mecrisp Forth?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm seeing much higher prices in the US, $50 and $75 for the "BBC
>>>>>> micro:bit Activity Kit" and the "BBC micro:bit" respectively.  Any idea
>>>>>> why the difference?  Exactly which products are you seeing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rick C
>>>>>
>>>>> look at the shipping page: https://www.techwillsaveus.com/home/shipping/
>>>>
>>>> That only shows the shipping costs.  I don't see the products you seem
>>>> to be seeing.
>>>>
>>>> The UK Pound is currently around $1.30 while not too long ago it was
>>>> more like $1.50.  But even at $1.50 the £25 price you mention would only
>>>> be $37.50.
>>>>
>>>> What products do you see for £15 to £25?  Can you just tell me the names
>>>> so I can see if they are the same ones I see?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Rick C
>>>
>>> £25 for the kit at https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit-bundle/?utm_source=Technology+Will+Save+Us+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f559a7a865-Micro%3Abit+mb+lovers&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a0c875b17f-f559a7a865-346130093
>>> The ultimate pack contains
>>>
>>>     BBC micro:bit
>>>     20× electronic components to build projects and activities
>>>     USB cable to connect it to your laptop
>>>     Battery holder to make it mobile
>>>     No other tools required
>>>
>>> and
>>> £15 at https://www.techwillsaveus.com/shop/microbit/ just the MicroBit; the USB cable you probably have and use it on your mobile. I actually used 5 countersunk screws and wires to connect it to a solderless breadboard
>>>
>>> Shipping at https://www.techwillsaveus.com/home/shipping/
>>> US
>>> US shipping
>>> FREE Standard Delivery on all orders over $50
>>> US Standard Delivery – 3 to 7 days – $5.00
>>> Did this help and you can see it now - 3 Microbits or kits and shipment is free
>>
>> Yes, something is wrong with their web site I suspect.  The prices for
>> the units you provide links to are $50 US and $75 US with the Microbit
>> board being the $75 item.  I expect they are giving US vs. UK pricing
>> based on my IP address.
>>
>> I think $50 for the kit is not a bad price.  $75 for the board is pretty
>> high.  If the mistake they made was switching the prices, the £15 board
>> would be $50 and the £25 kit would be $75.  This is still pretty high
>> with a 3:1 exchange rate which is more than twice the going rate.
>> Something has gone awry with their currency conversion and/or web site
>> creation.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rick C
>
> Well, there are the proven old methods if you really want one: call or email
> https://www.facebook.com/techwillsaveus/app/100265896690345/
> and the relevant data from there:
> Founded on January 1, 2012
> Short Description:
> We create DIY gadget kits that encourage everyone to make, play code and invent with technology.
> Mission:
> Technology Will Save Us is one of the UK's most exciting design-led, technology start-ups focused on learning. We are on a m... See More
> Phone: 020 3004 8843
> Email: info@techwillsaveus.com
> Website: http://www.techwillsaveus.com
> I do not think there is anything more I can do for you

I'm not all that excited by this device to be honest.  It's interesting, 
but it's not being marketed to me.  I'm not in education.

-- 

Rick C

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