Re: How do you remember the stack?

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On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 19:34:35 -1000, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:

> On 2/28/16 8:55 PM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote:
>> "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> writes:
>>> You have 7 new words and stack effects to remember. How is this
>>> brilliant?
>>
>> I'm certainly not saying this is brilliant.  Maybe the opposite!
>>
>> Those that are brilliant experienced Forth programmers can probably get
>> away with writing long complex definitions.  Kudos to them!
> 
> The most brilliant and experienced Forth programmers I know write short,
> simple, well-documented definitions.
> 
>> But I'm not brilliant.  My short-term memory can't handle that many
>> items.  Too much stack juggling confuses me.  Writing a metacompiler
>> took me tree attempts.
>>
>> So when I'm writing a definition and I'm losing track its internal
>> stack state, I break it up.  When I can glance at a definition and
>> immediately see that it's "obviously correct", then I'm happy.
>>
>> But I'm not advocating this for everyone.  By all means, use whatever
>> style you're comfortable with.
> 
The secret is in your phrase "GLANCE AT".
Menu-based means you don't need to remember, you just recognise.
"Well commented" tries to use this fact that humans are VISUAL.
[dogs and ants are said to work via smells]
COLOR potentially adds an extra dimension to the menu effect, in a
very compact efficient way.

The fact that CM's colorForth didn't 'catch-on' is perhaps due to
today's F/B, twitter kiddies being conditioned & wanting to imitate
TV talk-show personalities?

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How do you remember the stack? laheadle@gmail.com - 2016-02-12 13:57 -0800
  Re: How do you remember the stack? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-12 14:08 -0800
    Re: How do you remember the stack? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-02-16 13:35 +1100
      Re: How do you remember the stack? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 19:28 -0800
      Re: How do you remember the stack? Whammo <sidciavic@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 19:54 -0800
      Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-16 07:28 +0000
        Re: How do you remember the stack? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-02-15 22:03 -1000
          Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-16 13:30 +0000
            Re: How do you remember the stack? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-02-16 08:20 -1000
              Re: How do you remember the stack? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2016-02-16 20:48 +0000
              Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-17 15:42 +0000
          Re: How do you remember the stack? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-02-18 18:48 +1100
            Re: How do you remember the stack? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-02-18 12:27 -0800
              Re: How do you remember the stack? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 14:53 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 15:18 -0800
              Re: How do you remember the stack? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-02-21 13:32 +1100
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 20:57 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 07:23 +0200
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 08:54 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-02-21 22:05 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-02-22 16:20 +0100
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-02-22 09:47 -0600
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Whammo <sidciavic@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 16:51 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-02-28 15:22 +1100
                Re: How do you remember the stack? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-02-27 21:30 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-02-27 21:33 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-02-27 21:39 -1000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-02-29 13:47 +1100
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-28 19:02 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 22:26 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-28 22:37 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-02-28 19:11 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-02-29 11:55 -0600
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-02-29 19:30 -1000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-03-02 00:49 +1100
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-01 13:50 -1000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-01 16:49 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-01 18:04 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-03-02 02:53 -0600
                Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-02 09:57 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 03:21 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-02 11:49 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 04:23 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-02 18:32 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-02 18:41 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-02 20:36 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-03 07:38 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-03 09:26 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-03 11:15 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-03 15:35 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-03 15:56 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-03 17:04 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Whammo <sidciavic@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 19:29 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-02-28 18:52 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Whammo <sidciavic@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 13:30 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-02-29 07:55 +0100
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-02-29 19:34 -1000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-01 20:40 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 05:46 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-06-02 08:48 +0200
                Re: How do you remember the stack? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-06-02 00:17 -0700
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 19:48 -0700
                Re: How do you remember the stack? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-06-02 20:34 -0700
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-22 19:23 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-02-25 20:31 +1100
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 07:44 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-02-25 20:22 +0100
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-02-28 13:43 +1100
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-02-27 21:43 -1000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-28 14:53 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-02-28 15:27 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 02:02 -0700
                Re: How do you remember the stack? JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-03 05:57 -0700
      Re: How do you remember the stack? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-01 16:38 +0000
  Re: How do you remember the stack? Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 16:31 -0800
  Re: How do you remember the stack? Whammo <sidciavic@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 17:31 -0800
  Re: How do you remember the stack? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-02-13 08:03 +0100
  Re: How do you remember the stack? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2016-02-13 08:06 +0000
    Re: How do you remember the stack? minforth@arcor.de - 2016-02-13 01:50 -0800
      Re: How do you remember the stack? mhx@iae.nl - 2016-02-13 03:22 -0800
        Re: How do you remember the stack? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-02-13 17:09 +0000
      Re: How do you remember the stack? mhx@iae.nl - 2016-02-13 03:39 -0800
      Re: How do you remember the stack? mhx@iae.nl - 2016-02-13 03:42 -0800
      Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-13 11:27 +0000
        Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-13 12:33 +0000
          Re: How do you remember the stack? minforth@arcor.de - 2016-02-15 01:05 -0800
      Re: How do you remember the stack? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2016-02-14 19:34 +0000
  Re: How do you remember the stack? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 06:43 -0800
    Re: How do you remember the stack? minforth@arcor.de - 2016-02-15 01:22 -0800
      Re: How do you remember the stack? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2016-02-15 09:48 +0000
      Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-15 09:53 +0000
        Re: How do you remember the stack? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-02-15 11:26 +0000
          Re: How do you remember the stack? minforth@arcor.de - 2016-02-15 04:53 -0800
            Re: How do you remember the stack? dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2016-02-15 17:06 +0000
              Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-16 14:57 +0000
          Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-16 14:14 +0000
      Re: How do you remember the stack? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 12:31 +0200
      Re: How do you remember the stack? Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2016-02-18 22:53 +0000
  Re: How do you remember the stack? Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 10:51 -0500
  Re: How do you remember the stack? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-02-14 10:18 +1100
  Re: How do you remember the stack? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-02-14 04:21 -0600
  Re: How do you remember the stack? Whammo <sidciavic@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 14:36 -0800
    Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-21 16:35 +0000
      Re: How do you remember the stack? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-02-21 18:34 +0000
        Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-22 09:52 +0000
          Re: How do you remember the stack? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-02-22 13:07 +0000
            Re: How do you remember the stack? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-02-22 15:41 +0000
              Re: How do you remember the stack? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-02-22 08:24 -1000
            Re: How do you remember the stack? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-02-22 08:21 -1000
              Re: How do you remember the stack? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-02-22 17:51 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-02-22 18:15 -0800
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-29 06:20 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 20:42 +0000
                Re: How do you remember the stack? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 20:13 +0000
  Re: How do you remember the stack? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 01:46 -0800

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