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Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando"

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On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:24:21 -0500, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote:

> So, once again, my question is: What was so "special" about the  
> sonderkommando? They seem to be pretty typical soldiers, drafted into  
> the army and given an unpleasant job, but making the best of it. During  
> WWII, America drafted our boys into the U.S. Army. Many of them may have  
> felt queasy about the fire-bombing of Dresden, Tokyo, etc., that  
> targeted women and children, but they couldn't leave the Army because  
> going AWOL is a felony that can result in getting executed. During the  
> Vietnam war, America drafted our boys into the the U.S. Army. Many of  
> them may have felt queasy about the napalming of villages, that targeted  
> women and children, but they couldn't leave the Army because going AWOL  
> is a felony that can result in getting executed. So what is special  
> about Dario and Morris and all of the other sonderkommando? They seem to  
> be pretty typical soldiers.

The Sonderkommando were "drafted"?  They were prisoners used as slave  
labor.
If you disregard the fact they were locked up, you might be able to make  
the
claim of being "drafted" for German Jews, but not for the Jews of countries
Germany invaded, like Hungary and Poland.  You simply can't draft citizens
of other countries.  You generally can't draft your own country's prisoners
either.  You have to be free to be when drafted and free after the service.

> So, once again, my question is: What was so "special" about the  
> sonderkommando?

So, Hugh, are you really this thick? ...

Howerd answered this question by calling it "sardonic" language.

You're familiar with the term blue comedy, yes?  What about dark humor?
One form of Dark humor:

"... examples in which the comedy is used to mock the victim, whose
suffering is trivialized, ..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_comedy

Nazi's had a perverse, evil, darkly humorous, at least to the Nazi's,
way of phrasing issues related to their "Final Solution."  Wikipedia
politely calls it a "vague" and "euphemistic" language on their
SonderKommando page.  The Jews are constantly being mocked by the
Nazi's via the Nazi's names for things.  Keep that in mind.

Buchenwald, the name of a concentration camp where people are locked
behind barbed wire, gassed, shot or burned, means "beech forest," a
forest of beautiful beech trees.  You'd say that's rather dark humor,
yes?  It's a bit like calling Chernobyl an idyllic vacation paradise
because the crowds are very minimal, the water is clear, ...

The slogan "Jedem das Seine" is over the main gate of Buchenwald means
"to each his own,", but figuratively means in context: "you've truly
earned what's coming to you such as a brutal death we're going to give
you but only after we've starved you nearly to death."

The slogan "Arbeit mach frei" is over the entrances to multiple Nazi
concentration camps and literally means: "work makes free," but
figuratively means in context: "lazy, greedy Jews who've never worked
a day in their lives are going to be worked to death here."  Obviously,
"free" is a euphemism for your life ending in "death."

The bureau which delivered the Zyklon B pellets was called the
"Hygienic Institute."  I.e., that's another Nazi euphemism, meaning:
"it's hygenic for us to get rid of these filthy Jews."

The term "Sonderkommandos" literally means "special unit," but
figuratively means in context: "you're a 'special' group of people
since we're going to let you live for a while, and you're 'special'
since you get to do the dirtiest, most vile work we've got, and you're
'special' since you get to be tormented by the horrors of being forced
to handle, bury, mutilate, and rob the corpses of other dead Jews and
your own deceased loved ones, before we kill you too."

So, they're "special" in the sense they carried out the acts of the
"Final Solution" upon other Jews, unlike other "Kommandos" or slave
labor units used for woodworking, factory work, kitchen work, etc.

Are you beginning to understand know?


Rod Pemberton

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OT: translation of "sonderkommando" hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-11-17 15:23 -0800
  Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" - <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-11-17 19:05 -0500
    Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-11-26 17:24 -0800
      Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-11-27 00:27 -0800
        Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-11-27 14:42 -0800
          Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" all2001@spambog.com (Wolfgang Allinger) - 2014-11-27 20:05 -0300
            Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-11-28 20:49 -0800
              Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" all2001@spambog.com (Wolfgang Allinger) - 2014-11-29 06:38 -0300
      Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-11-27 05:04 -0500
        Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2014-11-27 17:04 +0100
  Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-18 00:56 -0800
    Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-11-18 14:21 +0000
      Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-11-18 19:16 +0100
        Re: OT: translation of "sonderkommando" albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-11-19 02:21 +0000
  Re:OT: translation of "sonderkommando" Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-11-18 23:28 +0100

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