Re: The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code)

From	"Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code)
Date	2014-10-20 16:36 -0400
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:28:00 -0400, Hans Bezemer  
<the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> wrote:

> But my two cents to the discussion, I don't think that ANY programming
> paradigm is able to enforce "writing good code".

People are able to master the ability to solve complicated math and
physic problems.  Are you saying people are unable to represent the
solution process for solving such problems as a verifiably correct
programming paradigm?

> - I think that forcing Python users to indent properly may have given  
> more rise to hard to trace bugs than anything else;

I know very little about Python.  So, I can accept that as true, for now.

Contrarily, I understand that indenting in languages, like C, which don't
require it improves readability immensely.  From my experience in other
languages, I believe improved readability reduces certain coding errors.

> - Some loop constructs are better handled by GOTO than forcing people  
> into structured programming;

I've used structured programming since I first learned how to program a
little over three decades ago.  GOTO is completely unecessary.  So, under
what circumstances do you believe your claim to be true?

> - And the best of all, OO has given rise to "lasagna code" instead of
> getting in the land of reliable code

I agree.

> (with other claims of OO broken down by reality as well);

Interesting.

> - And what Java is concerned, well, we all know too well what's wrong  
> with Java, don't we.

Other than Java not having pointers, I don't know what you're talking
about.  Of course, I'm familiar with C but not Java.  Could you explain?

Rod Pemberton

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Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-13 18:15 +0200
  Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-13 18:18 +0200
    Re: Tiny regular expressions code Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2014-10-13 09:32 -0700
    Re: Tiny regular expressions code Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-13 11:18 -0700
      Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-13 20:36 +0200
        Re: Tiny regular expressions code Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-10-13 11:53 -0700
  Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-13 22:14 +0200
  Re: Tiny regular expressions code mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2014-10-13 22:59 +0200
    Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-13 23:11 +0200
  Re: Tiny regular expressions code albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-14 09:22 +0000
    Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-14 17:43 +0200
      Re: Tiny regular expressions code albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-14 16:27 +0000
        Re: Tiny regular expressions code albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-15 09:48 +0000
          Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-15 17:38 +0200
            Re: Tiny regular expressions code albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-16 09:20 +0000
  Re: Tiny regular expressions code josv@planet.nl - 2014-10-17 05:03 -0700
    Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-17 17:48 +0200
      Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-17 19:20 +0200
        Re: Tiny regular expressions code anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-10-18 15:43 +0000
          Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-18 18:53 +0200
          Re: Tiny regular expressions code hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-18 19:19 -0700
            Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-19 14:52 +0200
              Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-19 15:25 +0200
                Re: Tiny regular expressions code Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-19 21:14 +0200
                Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-20 00:17 +0200
              Re: Tiny regular expressions code albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-19 17:10 +0000
                Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-19 19:59 +0200
          Re: Tiny regular expressions code Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-10-19 09:31 -0500
            The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-10-20 09:10 +0000
              Re: The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code) m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2014-10-20 03:13 -0700
                Re: The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code) mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2014-10-20 20:19 +0200
                Re: The magical number seven Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-10-21 08:56 +0200
                Re: The magical number seven Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-21 11:44 +0200
                Re: The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code) Just Ian <superian@gmail.com> - 2014-10-21 07:06 -0700
                Re: The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code) mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2014-10-21 20:11 +0200
                Re: The magical number seven Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-10-26 04:27 -0500
              Re: The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code) Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-20 17:28 +0200
                Re: The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-10-20 16:25 +0000
                Re: The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code) "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-20 16:36 -0400
                Re: The magical number seven "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-20 12:19 -1000
                Re: The magical number seven "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-21 01:47 -0400
                Re: The magical number seven "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-20 20:31 -1000
                Re: The magical number seven albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-21 09:06 +0000
                Re: The magical number seven "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-21 08:47 -1000
                Re: The magical number seven "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-22 02:21 -0400
                Re: The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code) Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-21 10:29 +0200
                Re: The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-21 11:34 +0200
                Re: The magical number seven Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-10-26 04:41 -0500
                Re: The magical number seven Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 12:07 +0100
                Re: The magical number seven Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-10-26 13:58 -0500
                Re: The magical number seven (was: Tiny regular expressions code) hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-20 16:34 -0700
                Re: The magical number seven Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-10-26 04:33 -0500
                Re: The magical number seven Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-26 12:12 +0100
              Re: The magical number seven Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-10-26 04:24 -0500
          Re: Tiny regular expressions code mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2014-10-19 17:10 +0200
      Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-18 16:02 +0200
        Re: Tiny regular expressions code josv@planet.nl - 2014-10-18 07:50 -0700
  Re: Tiny regular expressions code Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-10-18 17:27 +0200
  Re: Tiny regular expressions code the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-08 19:24 -0800
  Re: Tiny regular expressions code the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-08 20:42 -0800

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