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Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project

From "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project
Date 2014-10-02 08:56 -0400
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 15:52:12 -0400, Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> [snip]
>
> This is a part time gig (~60-80 hours/mo).  $1000/mo, 6-12 month  
> contract.  Negotiable.  Potential for more, and/or profit-share if  
> involved in games or StudioUI-based standalone applications later on.
>
> You must:
>
> * Have Windows 7+ or be willing to work prior to employment to get my  
> stuff to run on previous Window versions
> * Have a PC with OpenGL 2.0+ compliant video card
> * Be willing and able to adopt my coding conventions
> * Be willing and able to learn ForestLib    and Allegro 5 * Be familiar  
> with Mercurial (use of TortoiseHg will be preferred)
> * Be able to analyze and find obscure bugs as well as untangle tough  
> program design problems.
>
> Big plus if you have SwiftX/SwiftForth/Linux and C++ compiler knowledge  
> and could potentially get my stuff + Allegro 5 to run on Raspberry Pi.  
> (More money will be involved if so.)
>
> If interested, send an email to roger.levy@gmail.com with "SwiftForth  
> Assistant" in the subject.

Skilled, yes.  Forth, no.  Well, I guess that excludes me.

Hugh? ...

I'm sure most in the group appreciate you posting a genuine,
and serious job offer for Forth Programmers.  So, I'll post
a general, from the group, thank you.


That said, I think you're well aware that your job offer has
some issues which will prevent it from attracting the skilled
Forth programmer you desire, with emphasis on skilled.

0) A skilled Forth programmer doesn't need additional skill,
and is unlikely to take a job like this for the thrill or joy.

1) The job's pay is well below most markets in the U.S.  I.e.,
it's entry-level pay for a skilled job.

2) The job is part time and limited term.  So, it won't lead
to a long-term, full time job with better pay.

3) The job is part time and limited term.  So, it's unlikely
to attract a skilled Forth programmer, unless they're currently
out-of-work or retired.


The median pay in the U.S., is $75K for computer programmers
and $93K for software developers, about $36.5/hour and
$46.5/hour, respectively.  (U.S. BLS data.)  Median is the
person in the middle of the pay scale.

The per state median varies somewhat depending on the state,
being lower in less-expensive states and states with minimal
programming industry, i.e., rural, less developed, etc.

Expensive states such as California and New York have higher
median pay for computer programmers, $89K for California and
$84K for New York, software developers, $112K for CA and
$103K for NY.  (U.S. BLS data.)

These BLS links have quick financial summaries for each
programming job occupation with maps showing where
programmers and software developers are employed.  I.e.,
you may want to move if you're serious about a job.

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151131.htm
http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151132.htm
http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151133.htm
http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151134.htm

The top-level page for all occupations.
http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_stru.htm

This link allows to you find per state pay,
as I did for NY and CA data above:
http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oessrcst.htm

I.e., click the state in the map, then select "15-0000"
for "Computer and Mathematics Occupations", then search
the list for that state for "computer programmer" or
"software developer" or "web developer" or "database
administrator" etc.  Note that there are multiple
listings, specialties, for some jobs, such as
"software developer".

HTH someone, ...


Rod Pemberton

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[PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-01 12:52 -0700
  Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-02 01:37 +0200
    Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in pro all2001@spambog.com (Wolfgang Allinger) - 2014-10-01 20:11 -0400
    Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-01 20:26 -0400
      Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-01 18:46 -0700
        Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-01 18:57 -0700
          Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-01 19:05 -0700
            Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-01 19:49 -0700
              Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-01 20:03 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-01 20:15 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-01 20:33 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-01 20:59 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-01 21:11 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-10-01 21:23 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-02 00:41 -0400
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-01 22:22 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-02 12:20 +0000
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-02 16:20 +0200
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-02 08:00 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-10-03 12:16 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-10-03 00:02 +0200
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-02 15:13 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-10-03 00:39 +0200
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-02 19:11 -0400
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-10-03 01:32 +0200
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-02 16:43 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-10-03 01:51 +0200
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-02 17:25 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-10-03 02:38 +0200
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-02 21:25 -0400
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-02 16:42 -0700
    Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-01 22:02 -1000
      Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-10-02 03:18 -0700
        Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-10-03 00:57 +0200
          Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-10-02 22:44 -0700
            Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-02 21:42 -1000
              Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-03 16:17 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-10-03 23:28 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-04 11:25 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-04 16:44 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-04 18:40 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-04 17:30 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2014-10-04 19:07 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-04 21:22 -0700
                Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-10-05 02:05 -0700
            Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-10-03 10:12 +0200
    Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-10-03 00:02 +0200
    Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2014-10-03 15:44 -0700
  Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-10-02 02:45 -0700
    Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-02 05:11 -0700
      Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-02 05:14 -0700
  Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-02 08:56 -0400
    Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-02 06:19 -0700
      Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-10-02 13:30 +0000
        Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-10-02 08:36 -0700
    Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2014-10-02 10:49 -0700
      Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-02 08:24 -1000
      Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-02 16:03 -0400
      Re: [PAID WORK] Looking for skilled Forth prograammer to assist in project Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-10-03 00:18 +0200

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