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Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better!

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On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:09:18 -0400, <hughaguilar96@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 2:13:09 AM UTC-7, Ilya V. Vasilyev wrote:

>> May be with floats as main data type Forth would be
>> as good for desktop as any other language.
>
> You still need to have quotations to be as
> "good for desktop as any other language"

Why? ...

Many successful languages have broken or incomplete language
features.  Look at Forth.  Look at C.  Look at Pascal, COBOL,
Lisp, Fortran, and C++ ...

> (at least, modern Scheme/Lisp derived languages, although Forth
> is already better than C that doesn't have quotations).

If the feature is of little use, why does the quality of it's
implementation matter? ...  Spend your time on stuff that matters.

> I'm already working on a Forth-like language that has quotations,
> but now I'm thinking of including your idea about floats or
> something similar.

Wow, you're just like the ... well, one particular race and
nationality ... which copies everything they see.

>> Application, such as micro-controller, could not tell the difference,
>> until it actually tries to use floating point.
>
> This is a good point, that I hadn't thought of --- what type
> of data exactly is on the stack, can be implementation dependent
> --- so long as all the integer functions work, then integer-only
> code will port to any implementation whether the data is integer
> or float (in the latter case, you get to have fractions).

Are you really likely to do any floating point, Hugh?  I've almost
never used floating point in decades of programming in C ...
It's about as useful as having a language support imaginary numbers
or booleans, i.e., utterly useless.  Do you intend to solve the
Mandelbrot set?  If not, use integers, forget the floating point.
It's slow, difficult to use, non-portable, has numerous formats, etc.


Rod Pemberton

-- 
Scientists now say we'll experience a mini-ice in 2030.
So, I guess we need more global warming today ...

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Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "Ilya V. Vasilyev" <arvi1973@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 19:22 -0700
  Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-15 20:42 -0700
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "Ilya V. Vasilyev" <arvi1973@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 02:13 -0700
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-18 12:09 -0700
        Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 15:33 -0700
          Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 16:18 -0700
            Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-19 08:22 +0000
        Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-19 03:38 -0400
        Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "Ilya V. Vasilyev" <arvi1973@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 17:21 -0700
          Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-19 21:07 -0700
  Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-16 06:52 +0000
  Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2015-08-16 14:19 +0200
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 05:52 -0700
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-16 14:42 -0700
        Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! dylan.mcnamee@gmail.com - 2015-09-21 12:02 -0700
          Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-22 00:34 +0200
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-26 19:18 +0000
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-16 12:08 -0700
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 15:17 -0400
  Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-16 13:47 +0000
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-16 07:54 -0700
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-16 15:04 +0000
        Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-16 23:56 +0200
          Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-08-17 05:57 -0500
            Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-08-17 13:52 +0200
              Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 05:00 -0700
            Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-17 12:03 +0000
              Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 05:29 -0700
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-18 09:10 +0000
          Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2015-08-17 14:50 +0200
            Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-17 19:42 +0200
              Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2015-08-17 23:16 +0200
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-18 01:00 +0200
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-18 01:17 +0200
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2015-08-18 10:12 +0200
              Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Александр Стадниченко <stadnichenko.a.s@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 08:12 -0700
              Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Александр Стадниченко <stadnichenko.a.s@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 08:35 -0700
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-26 21:23 +0200
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Александр Стадниченко <stadnichenko.a.s@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 09:55 -0700
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Александр Стадниченко <stadnichenko.a.s@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 10:00 -0700
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! mhx@iae.nl - 2015-08-16 08:37 -0700
  Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 18:28 -0700
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-17 20:17 -0700
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:49 -0400
        Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 23:00 -0700
          Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-18 06:25 +0000
            Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-18 08:39 -0700
              Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 12:09 -0400
  Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:31 -0700
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "Ilya V. Vasilyev" <arvi1973@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 17:47 -0700
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-12 18:06 -0700

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