Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM

From	Alex <alex@rivadpm.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM
Date	2017-05-24 14:07 +0100
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On 5/24/2017 09:00, Mark Wills wrote:
> On Monday, 22 May 2017 02:46:17 UTC+1, hughag...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> A standard would work a lot better if a compiler were written first, and people used the compiler and suggested upgrades, and then after several years everybody said: "This compiler works quite well! Lets call this the standard!"
>>
> You don't even need a compiler. Just an appendix, showing, for each word
> the outputs/system state for a given set of inputs. Showing (of course)
> illegal states, corner cases etc.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it 
means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many 
different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -- that's 
all."

The problem with describing with any accuracy or hope of mutual 
understanding and then being able to declare mastery of the word is well 
known to people who work on and with standards. Language and words are 
hard to pin down. Look at the RFCs like 
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt RFC 2119,

       The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL
       NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and
       "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in
       RFC 2119.

Even with that imprecation and a whole page of detailed specification of 
the terms in the body of the RFC, look at the next paragraph that 
follows the above;

    Note that the force of these words is modified by the requirement
    level of the document in which they are used.

Oh dear. How do you square all this with your appendix requirements?

Can you do it for just one word for me please? SWAP will do. Now define 
corner cases and illegals states. What should happen on stack underflow 
or overflow when we try to SWAP, for example <empty> SWAP or <empty> 1 
SWAP? Currently, stack overflow and underflow are ambiguous conditions. 
How would you rectify that?

The discussion will suddenly move on. SWAP will be relegated to 
tomorrow's business. We will spend a couple of hours, then days & weeks 
in committee & by web conference & email discussing it, tearing it 
apart. Finally we will take a vote on it, assuming that the original 
proposer is still sane or even alive.

Consensus may not be reached, as the group breaks into pro and anti 
groups, with a developing third party insisting that their stacks are 
circular, so overflow & underflow are wind & chuff caused by being 
reactionary old-style LIFO stack farts. Humpty Dumpty will be much in 
evidence, and poor Alice will much too puzzled to say much of anything.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will be SWAPping values on the stack without 
really caring that your appendix (or the mythical compiler based on it) 
is unfinished.

> 
> However, Forth is not alone in not providing this. No standard that I can
> recall has such content, either as an appendix or any other type of document.
> They all seem to leave to it the interpretation of the reader.

For reasons you are about to discover as you define illegal states and 
corner cases for SWAP.

> 
> At least Forth has the ANS compliance harness, which is a step in the right
> direction.
> 

Agreed. But even that isn't (and can't be) comprehensive.

-- 
Alex

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comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-23 02:17 -0500
  Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 00:27 -0700
  Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-23 11:50 +0000
  Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-03-23 12:34 -0500
    Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 10:56 -0700
  Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM mentificium@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 05:25 -0700
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                Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 08:25 -0700
                Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-13 13:25 -0500
              Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-05-15 05:45 +0000
                Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 06:54 -0700
                Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andreas Klimas <klimas@w3group.de> - 2017-05-15 16:30 +0200
                Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-16 00:32 -0700
                Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 19:25 -0700
                Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-16 21:15 -0700
                Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 21:34 -0700
                Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 08:39 -0700
                Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 12:38 -0700
                Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-15 17:32 -0500
                Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Andreas Klimas <klimas@w3group.de> - 2017-05-16 10:06 +0200
          Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 11:51 -0700
        Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 11:50 -0700
      Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 11:47 -0700
  Re: comp.lang.forth is THE PROBLEM Bill Zimmerly <billzimmerly@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 20:59 -0700

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