Re: Stack Operator Symbols

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From	Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com>
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Subject	Re: Stack Operator Symbols
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On 10/29/2016 10:47 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 8:29:24 PM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Forth-200x is all about supporting Forth Inc. and MPE --- they are not supporting the Forth community --- they are actively crippling the standard for the purpose of preventing the Forth community from writing Forth programs that are standard.
>
> Elizabeth Rather says this:
> ---------------------------
> I hate locals :-)
> ---------------------------
>
> Elizabeth Rather's ANS-Forth provides LOCALS| for defining multiple locals, but the parameters are backwards. How could anybody be so dumb as to get the parameters backwards??? I think she purposely crippled LOCALS| because she hates local variables and she wants everybody to hate them as much as she does.
>
> This strategy actually worked quite well. After I bought SwiftForth, I went for several years writing Forth code and not using locals. The parameters in LOCALS| are backwards, so it was useless (that would really make the source-code confusing). Also, in SwiftForth version-2 (what I bought), the (LOCAL) definer would crash SwiftForth when it was used. How does a bug like this get past the testers??? This is not a subtle bug that occurs only under certain circumstances --- any use of (LOCAL) crashes the system --- obviously, (LOCAL) was never tested even once.
>

Didn't it come with the source so you can fix it? I bought SwiftForth 
Version 3 a long time ago and it came with the source, although I have 
not kept up with it is an older 3.2.1 version. One day I might get a one 
year maintenance so I can get the Linux and Mac versions which I don't 
have, but money is something I'm don't have in abundance.

The reason I bought MPE VFX Professional Forth and VFX ARM Professional 
Forth with source is because things happen in life that one can't 
foresee, and after spending a lot of money I don't want to become 
stranded with expensive software that is no longer supported.

MPE has a good deal with the free lite versions for ARM, and MSP430, it 
has limits but you can get a lot done within the limits, such as 
non-commercial use, and memory limits. They also have a demo version of 
VFX for Windows with some limits such as not being able to save the 
system image, and for non-commercial use only but those are minor limits.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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Stack Operator Symbols trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 20:42 -0700
  Re: Stack Operator Symbols hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-25 01:58 -0700
  Re: Stack Operator Symbols november.nihal@gmail.com - 2016-10-25 10:52 -0700
  Re: Stack Operator Symbols Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2016-10-27 19:13 -0400
    Re: Stack Operator Symbols "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-27 17:08 -1000
      Re: Stack Operator Symbols "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-10-28 21:53 +1000
        Re: Stack Operator Symbols hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-28 20:42 -0700
          Re: Stack Operator Symbols Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-10-29 17:15 -0400
            Re: Stack Operator Symbols hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-29 17:27 -0700
        Re: Stack Operator Symbols "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-28 20:56 -1000
      Re: Stack Operator Symbols Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 00:46 -0700
        Re: Stack Operator Symbols Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-10-29 04:30 -0500
          Re: Stack Operator Symbols rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 16:58 -0400
          Re: Stack Operator Symbols Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 14:21 -0700
            Re: Stack Operator Symbols Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-10-30 04:03 -0500
              Re: Stack Operator Symbols Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-30 18:06 -0700
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 01:43 +0000
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-30 19:23 -0700
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-10-31 05:13 -0500
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-10-31 12:42 +0100
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-31 12:12 +0000
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-31 14:49 +0000
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols mhx@iae.nl - 2016-10-31 13:17 -0700
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-11-03 16:38 +0000
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 14:33 +0000
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-31 08:35 +0000
            Re: Stack Operator Symbols anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-30 11:01 +0000
              Re: Stack Operator Symbols hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-30 10:01 -0700
            Re: Stack Operator Symbols hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-11-03 14:46 -0700
              Re: Stack Operator Symbols anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-11-04 23:04 +0000
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2016-11-05 03:16 -0400
        Re: Stack Operator Symbols peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2016-10-29 09:13 -0700
          Re: Stack Operator Symbols "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-10-30 08:47 +1100
            Re: Stack Operator Symbols trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 14:57 -0700
              Re: Stack Operator Symbols "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-10-30 09:20 +1100
        Re: Stack Operator Symbols Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2016-10-29 18:46 -0400
          Re: Stack Operator Symbols Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 19:45 -0700
            Re: Stack Operator Symbols hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-29 20:29 -0700
              Re: Stack Operator Symbols hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-29 20:47 -0700
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-10-29 23:15 -0500
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-29 21:37 -1000
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-30 10:07 -0700
            Re: Stack Operator Symbols "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-29 21:35 -1000
              Re: Stack Operator Symbols "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-10-31 13:11 +1100
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-30 20:02 -0700
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-30 22:08 -1000
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-31 09:02 +0000
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-11-03 20:49 +1100
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-11-03 15:33 +0000
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2016-11-03 16:55 -0400
                Re: Stack Operator Symbols anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-11-03 22:21 +0000
  Re: Stack Operator Symbols hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-27 20:31 -0700
    Re: Stack Operator Symbols november.nihal@gmail.com - 2016-10-28 09:52 -0700
      Re: Stack Operator Symbols hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-10-28 20:32 -0700
  Re: Stack Operator Symbols Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 04:49 -0700
    Re: Stack Operator Symbols Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 14:49 +0100
      Re: Stack Operator Symbols Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2016-10-31 13:31 +0100
        Re: Stack Operator Symbols Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 14:12 +0100
          Re: Stack Operator Symbols Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2016-10-31 15:03 +0100
        Re: Stack Operator Symbols Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-11-03 14:22 -0700
          Re: Stack Operator Symbols Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2016-11-04 00:46 +0100
        Re: Stack Operator Symbols "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-11-05 13:14 +1100
    Re: Stack Operator Symbols trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 06:50 -0700
      Re: Stack Operator Symbols trans <transfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 08:56 -0700
      Re: Stack Operator Symbols albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-10-30 18:19 +0100

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