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Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ

From rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ
Date 2016-01-13 13:44 -0500
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 1/13/2016 10:45 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> writes:
>> An excellent random generator would be to wait for a fixed time a
>> radioactive sample has generated about a million counts, then take the
>> result modulo 256. The counts must not fall over each other so
>> one random byte takes approximately one second.
>
> A true random number generator of this kind is a digital camera with
> raw output.  Just illuminate its sensor with white light (best without
> lens or unfocused to get uniform illumination), and each pixel gives
> you a count of photons that fell onto it during the exposure time;
> this count varies due to quantum mechanical effects randomly by on the
> order of sqrt(photons)
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_noise#Optics>, resulting in image
> noise that is so unloved by photographers; and while the SNR is worst
> at low brightness (and other noise sources dominate there), the
> absolute noise is highest at brightness just below the saturation (and
> .  With a 20 Megapixel camera, if you only assume 4 bits of randomness
> per pixel, you can get 10MB of randomness per shot, and some cameras
> are quite fast at shooting raw pictures, and can feed the result
> directly to a computer.  You need to post-condition the data so that,
> e.g., dead pixels or dust on the sensor don't compromise your random
> number generator.

Has anyone tried this?  I can see huge issues relating to variations 
among the pixels which would need to be averaged out some way.  It 
wouldn't just be gross effects like dead pixels that compromise your 
results.  Likewise, variations in the light would produce artifacts in 
the results.

-- 

Rick

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Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 07:47 -0800
  Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-12 16:25 +0000
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-12 10:45 -0600
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 08:46 -0800
      Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 11:57 -0500
        Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:22 -0800
          Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-12 21:04 -0800
            Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:59 +0200
      Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-12 19:42 +0000
        Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-12 12:53 -0800
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-13 15:45 +0000
      Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 13:44 -0500
        Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-13 11:39 -0800
          Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-14 05:01 +0100
          Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-14 12:28 +0000
  Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:50 -0800
  Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 11:50 -0800
  Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 12:30 -0800
  Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 12:43 -0800
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-01-12 21:01 +0000
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2016-01-12 15:00 -0800
      Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-12 16:13 -0800
        Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ mhx@iae.nl - 2016-01-12 16:22 -0800
        Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-12 16:24 -0800
          Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ mhx@iae.nl - 2016-01-12 17:46 -0800
            Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-12 18:39 -0800
              Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ mhx@iae.nl - 2016-01-13 13:05 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-14 04:33 +0100
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2016-01-14 03:27 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2016-01-14 04:42 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-14 13:03 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-13 21:17 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-13 21:44 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-14 10:57 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ mhx@iae.nl - 2016-01-14 12:20 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ mhx@iae.nl - 2016-01-14 13:57 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-14 14:22 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ mhx@iae.nl - 2016-01-14 16:14 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-01-15 03:05 +0100
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@antispam.uni.wroc.pl> - 2016-01-15 00:41 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-15 16:22 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2016-01-16 11:44 +0200
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ mhx@iae.nl - 2016-01-16 04:49 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-16 15:05 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2016-01-18 03:26 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-18 12:48 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-19 22:26 +0100
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ mhx@iae.nl - 2016-01-20 03:05 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-20 21:00 +0100
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ mhx@iae.nl - 2016-01-20 15:57 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-21 23:02 +0100
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-22 01:25 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-21 18:05 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ mhx@iae.nl - 2016-01-21 22:03 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-20 13:40 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2016-01-18 03:55 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-23 15:13 -0600
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ mhx@iae.nl - 2016-01-24 00:55 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-25 04:48 -0600
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-25 12:39 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-25 08:05 -0600
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-25 16:40 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 04:44 -0800
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-01-25 14:01 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-25 08:08 -0600
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-25 11:56 -0600
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-01-25 11:12 -1000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-26 03:33 -0600
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-01-26 11:09 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-01-26 11:06 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-26 07:45 -0600
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-26 16:46 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-26 11:16 -0600
                Object-oriented Forth (was: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-27 14:13 +0000
                Re: Object-oriented Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-27 10:33 -0600
                Re: Object-oriented Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-27 08:45 -0800
                Re: Object-oriented Forth Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 09:14 -0800
                Re: Object-oriented Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-29 21:57 -0800
                Re: Object-oriented Forth Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-30 10:58 +0000
                Re: Object-oriented Forth Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:38 -0800
                Re: Object-oriented Forth Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-01-30 20:39 +0100
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-26 15:56 +0100
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-01-26 20:46 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-25 22:27 +0100
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2016-01-28 14:20 +0100
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-28 08:06 -0600
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-28 16:14 +0100
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-28 10:32 -0600
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-28 17:26 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-28 12:13 -0600
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-29 11:07 +0000
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-29 21:18 +0100
                Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Tessa Bonting <tessa.bonting@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 06:24 -0800
          Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-01-13 05:21 -0500
            Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-01-13 05:36 -0500
            Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-13 10:33 -0800
              Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-01-14 01:37 -0500
  Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 13:45 -0800
  Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 13:55 -0800
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-12 14:34 -0800
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 19:00 -0500
      Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 16:49 -0800
        Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 22:18 -0500
  Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-12 14:31 -0800
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 16:05 -0800
  Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 07:58 +0000
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-01-13 05:17 -0500
      Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-13 12:36 -0800
        Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 12:53 -0800
        Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-14 06:50 -0600
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 05:36 -0800
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 11:59 -0800
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 21:08 -0800
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-09 13:36 +0000
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-09 13:48 +0000
      Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-02-09 12:02 -0800
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-09 13:58 +0000
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-09 14:30 +0000
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-14 15:35 +0000
      Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2016-02-14 08:50 -0800
        Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 20:09 -0800
          Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-02-15 08:52 -0800
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-14 21:31 +0000
  Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 22:49 +0000
    Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-14 15:31 -0800
      Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-01-15 06:55 +0100
  Re: Ruby/Forth challenge for WJ djc <ciesinger@gmx.net> - 2016-02-11 07:39 -0800

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