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Re: D>F and S>F first draft

From Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: D>F and S>F first draft
Date 2015-11-23 02:57 +0100
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HAA wrote:

> krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 1:25:33 AM UTC-6, HAA wrote:
>> ...
>> > IMO all this does is eliminate a range of systems from being able to
>> > claim
>> > Standard compliance.  The only gain I can see is that the lucky systems
>> > remaining won't have to document the results they do get.
>>
>> Besides iForth, which existing Forth systems will this RfD bring out of
>> standards compliance?
> 
> I believe this has already been answered by yourself but essentially any
> system whose floats occupy the same or fewer bits than doubles.

Not at all.  Only if the exponent has not enough bits to represent the full 
range of doubles, the system is in trouble (e.g. with 16 bit half-sized 
floats).

> Let's not forget floating point is primarily about dynamic range and ease
> of use.  Precision was the trade-off.  This is reflected in the current
> definitions.  Nothing in the definitions *restrict* precision if you have
> it.

Ah, that makes your objection clear:  You don't understand what the new 
definition means.  It actually means what you write here: Precision is not 
required, you are allowed to return a rounded result.  That was standard 
before, too, but as the condition was ambiguous, a system could also throw 
an error if no precise representation was possible.

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RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft C G Montgomery <cgm@physics.utoledo.edu> - 2015-11-21 17:59 -0500
  Re: D>F and S>F  first draft "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-11-22 18:25 +1100
    Re: D>F and S>F  first draft krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2015-11-22 06:20 -0800
      Re: D>F and S>F  first draft "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-11-23 10:58 +1100
        Re: D>F and S>F  first draft Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-11-23 02:57 +0100
          Re: D>F and S>F  first draft "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-11-24 13:16 +1100
            Re: D>F and S>F  first draft Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-23 18:49 -0800
              Re: D>F and S>F  first draft "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-11-25 11:51 +1100
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-24 17:26 -0800
            Re: D>F and S>F  first draft Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-11-25 02:43 +0100
              Re: D>F and S>F  first draft "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-11-26 12:16 +1100
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-25 17:47 -0800
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-11-26 15:47 +1100
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-25 23:07 -0800
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-26 07:27 +0000
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-26 09:19 +0000
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-11-28 04:26 +1100
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-28 11:31 +0000
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-11-29 20:23 +1100
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-11-29 20:39 +0100
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-12-05 17:48 +1100
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 23:58 -0800
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft mhx@iae.nl - 2015-12-05 02:19 -0800
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-12-05 11:25 +0000
                Re: D>F and S>F first draft Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-12-05 13:11 +0000
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft mhx@iae.nl - 2015-12-05 05:27 -0800
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-12-05 15:33 +0000
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft mhx@iae.nl - 2015-12-07 10:10 -0800
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-12-09 16:58 +0000
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2015-12-06 10:23 -0800
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-12-06 21:37 +0100
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-12-05 19:08 +0100
                Re: D>F and S>F  first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-30 08:33 +0000
                Re: D>F and S>F first draft "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-11-25 21:43 -1000
                Re: D>F and S>F first draft "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-11-28 19:28 +1100
                Re: D>F and S>F first draft Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-26 11:37 +0000
    Re: D>F and S>F  first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-22 15:10 +0000
    Re: D>F and S>F  first draft Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-11-22 20:48 +0100
      Re: D>F and S>F first draft "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-11-22 13:42 -1000
        Re: D>F and S>F first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-23 11:50 +0000
          Re: D>F and S>F first draft "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-11-23 12:46 -1000
            Forth libraries Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-11-24 08:55 +0100
  Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2015-11-22 06:33 -0800
    Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-22 16:00 +0000
      Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2015-11-22 08:53 -0800
        Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2015-11-22 09:11 -0800
        Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-22 18:24 +0000
      Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-22 09:07 -0800
        Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-11-22 18:10 +0000
        Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-22 18:26 +0000
          Re: RfD: D>F and S>F first draft rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 13:58 -0500
            Re: RfD: D>F and S>F first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-23 12:34 +0000
              Re: RfD: D>F and S>F first draft Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-23 16:39 +0000
              Re: RfD: D>F and S>F first draft Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-11-24 03:00 +0100
            Re: RfD: D>F and S>F first draft Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-11-23 13:48 +0100
              Re: RfD: D>F and S>F first draft mhx@iae.nl - 2015-11-23 05:19 -0800
                Re: RfD: D>F and S>F first draft mhx@iae.nl - 2015-11-23 16:09 -0800
        Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-11-22 20:42 +0100
    Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft C G Montgomery <cgm@physics.utoledo.edu> - 2015-11-22 16:43 -0500
      Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2015-11-22 18:40 -0800
        Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2015-11-22 18:51 -0800
        Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft C G Montgomery <cgm@physics.utoledo.edu> - 2015-11-25 15:47 -0500
  Re: RfD: D>F and S>F  first draft anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-22 14:29 +0000
  Re: RfD: D>F and S>F first draft "David N. Williams" <williams@umich.edu> - 2015-11-22 10:41 -0600

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