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Re: Nice little Forth article

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Bill Leary wrote:
> "Hugh Aguilar"  wrote in message
> ...
> > The 8051, PIC16, etc., don't support high-level languages very well
> > (both Forth and C are incomplete implementations, and are grossly
> > inefficient) --- and programmers prefer to use high-level languages
> > rather than assembly language --- and the electrical engineers say:
> > "Grow a spine and program in assembly language; we are not going to
> > use a big expensive processor just so you can program in a high-level
> > language when a small inexpensive processor is capable of doing the
> > job."
>
> I've programmed 8051's (and derivatives) in C and assembler.  Some of the
> C's were woefully inefficient.  A very few, optimized for the 8051 (and
> thus, technically, only "C-like" languages) did a pretty good job.  Either
> way, even in assembler, I didn't find the 8051 to be all that difficult to
> work with.  ...

Hugh's point - that 8051's are ill-suited to HLL's - is hard to argue with.
I was going to say Intel likely no such intent when they designed the chip
... but then I recalled they did release that version with interpreted BASIC
in masked rom.  So what can we conclude?  Anything that makes one
a dollar can't be all bad :)

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Nice little Forth article Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-06 11:42 -0700
  Re: Nice little Forth article "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-06 10:23 -1000
  Re: Nice little Forth article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cmm> - 2012-10-06 17:56 -0400
    Re: Nice little Forth article "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-06 12:41 -1000
      Re: Nice little Forth article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-06 18:10 -0700
    Re: Nice little Forth article Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-06 23:54 -0700
      Re: Nice little Forth article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-07 19:14 -0400
      Re: Nice little Forth article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-10 19:19 -0700
  Re: Nice little Forth article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-06 20:30 -0700
    Re: Nice little Forth article "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary@msn.com> - 2012-10-07 17:26 -0400
      Re: Nice little Forth article "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-07 20:02 -0400
        Re: Nice little Forth article "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary@msn.com> - 2012-10-09 08:35 -0400
      Re: Nice little Forth article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-10 19:27 -0700
        Re: Nice little Forth article "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary@msn.com> - 2012-10-11 08:28 -0400
          Re: Nice little Forth article "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-11 08:06 -1000
          Re: Nice little Forth article "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-10-14 16:17 +1000
            Re: Nice little Forth article Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-10-14 13:41 +0000
              Re: Nice little Forth article Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-10-14 09:51 -0700
                Re: Nice little Forth article Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-10-14 10:41 -0700
                Re: Nice little Forth article Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-14 22:28 +0200
                Re: Nice little Forth article Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-14 13:39 -0700
                Re: Nice little Forth article Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-14 19:42 +0200
                Re: Nice little Forth article rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-14 20:02 -0400
                Re: Nice little Forth article Sara Cruz <iluv2hugg@gmail.com> - 2012-10-17 19:45 -0700
                Re: Nice little Forth article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-17 20:20 -0700
                Re: Nice little Forth article Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-10-18 11:39 -0500
                Re: Nice little Forth article Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-18 18:53 +0200
                Re: Nice little Forth article Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-19 18:58 -0700
                Re: Nice little Forth article rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-20 18:08 -0400
  Re: Nice little Forth article "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-10-10 08:23 +1000
    Re: Nice little Forth article Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 09:15 -0700

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