Re: Article

From	"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnot.cmm>
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Date	2012-09-03 18:17 -0400
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"John Passaniti" <john.passaniti@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> ... most people won't bother to track down the
> original statements in context.

Ignore the rant.  Reply to the substance.

As an expert rant yourself, I'm sure that's pretty difficult for you.

> The normal mechanism that mediates most people on
> the Internet is their professional reputation.

Dude, I don't know where you get such stuff.  Do you make it up on the fly?

This is Usenet, not "the Internet".  Usenet was in full force by the late
1980's, to those at a university.  In the 1980's, almost no one else had
access to the early Internet.  Telephone dialup to Telenet was the norm and
was expensive.  Web-pages, i.e., "the Internet", weren't around in any
quantity until the late 1990's.  It was mostly available to those at
a university since broadband wasn't common for another decade.  Web-browser
based forums, Internet commerce, VoIP, Facebook, LinkedIn, Amazon, Ebay,
Google, Yahoo, streaming media, massive amounts of streaming pornography,
etc basically didn't "exist" yet.  What you had in the 1990's were anonymous
ftp servers, gopher, telnet, email, email newslists, Bitnet, Telenet,
Fidonet, and the worldwide Usenet with groups that included massive amounts
of non-streaming pornography.  So, if you had Internet access, it was via
dialup through a university, and then they'd usually connect you to Bitnet
because the Internet was too expensive.  So, if you now, today, decide to
declare against the worldwide reality to the contrary that all the new and
old Internet is a prim and proper domain for professionals and children,
it's *your* delusion ...  The worldwide Internet has been the domain of
pornography and 'alt' - anarchists, lunatics, and terrorists - since before
it was "the Internet".

> Hugh is a hobbyist; he has no professional
> reputation that he needs to uphold.

So?  Why does that matter?

This is an open, unmoderated, worldwide, newsgroup.  If you want a newsgroup
where stuff is censored or restricted or strictly professional, pick a
moderated Usenet group, or a Google Group, or join a browser based forum.
Let us know how long you last before you're banned.  You will be.  You know
it.  You'll go off at some point.

> So he can write whatever he likes about anyone
> and never worry.

Anyone can do that.  You've done that.

> But that's okay in Hugh's case, because pretty much
> everyone considers him to be a joke.

Speak for yourself.  He rants, but so do you.  Are you a joke?  Would you
like me to call you one?  I've got no problem doing so.  I really don't.
You're definately not on my "nice person" list.

> Every now and then, he'll write something neutral or
> even insightful.

True.  Perhaps, the rants are part of his intellectual process, much like a
method actor ...  You can grasp that, right?  Or, perhaps it's "deadpan" or
"dry humor".  It's probably not, but one can take it that way, especially if
you're _not_ interested in what he is saying.  Although he's not from the
UK, many people from the UK make extremely dry statements intended to be
humorous that aren't grasped as being humorous by people outside the UK.
Perhaps, he's the same.

> But it doesn't take long before he descends into spirals of insanity.

He's clearly interested in tarnishing Ms. Rather's reputation or perhaps
provoking her.  Honestly, I don't think it's working.  She's most helpful,
always seem to be very polite, and thoroughly ignores Hugh.

But, I've seen nothing "insane" from him.

He's not promoting radical Islam nor what little is left of radical
Christianity.  He's not promoting Creationism nor Nazism.  He's not
promoting Scientology.  He's not screaming kill the president.  He's not
promoting a bigger or more intrusive US government: more IRS, more CIA, more
NSA, more illegal domestic spying, more illegal searches, more reckless US
government acts that will eventually be paid for in blood and death.  He's
not saying we need to be in a war with Russia because we need their
resources.  He's not saying scientists need to create the largest blackhole
they can.  He's not saying that genocide of Africans or Indians (of India)
would benefit the world by releasing pressure on world food and medical
supplies.  He's not saying he needs explosive devices, like claymore mines
and grenades, for home defense because a pitbull, a doberman, a rottweiler,
a labrador, a Glock 45 and a semi-auto .308 just aren't enough anymore for
his American neighborhood.  Etc.  But, even if he did, it's still protected
speech.

He rants about symtab, Testra, driving a Taxi, and Ms. Rather.  You rant
about Lua, Lisp, and all sorts of crap.  Technically, he qualifies as a
"kook" and you as a "troll".


Rod Pemberton

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                Re: Forth as a polarising language mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-08 16:14 +0200
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                Re: Forth as a polarising language Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-09 04:22 -0400
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                Re: OOP mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-08 16:41 +0200
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                Re: Forth as a polarising language Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 08:33 -0400
                Re: OOP mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-08 16:54 +0200
                Re: OOP Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-09 04:12 -0400
                OOP (was: Forth as a polarising language) mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-08 16:28 +0200
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                Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-09 00:15 +0200
                Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-09 00:50 +0200
                Re: Forth as a polarising language mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2012-09-09 03:12 +0200
                Re: Forth as a polarising language Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-09 16:01 +0200
                Re: Forth as a polarising language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-09-09 14:54 -1000
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                Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 08:16 -0400
                Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 08:28 -0400
                Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-09-10 12:43 +0000
                Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 09:24 -0400
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                Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 09:32 -0400
                Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-09-10 07:40 -1000
                Re: [OT] Newsreader problem - was [Re: Forth as a polarising language] Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2012-09-10 14:42 -0500
                Re: Forth as a polarising language Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 07:59 -0400
                Re: Forth as a polarising language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 12:27 -0400
                Re: Forth as a polarising language "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-09-10 07:44 -1000
                Re: Forth as a polarising language rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-09-10 12:30 -0400
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